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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsChris Christie: FU You're on you're on your own.
I'm getting my ass outta here.
A paraphrase but that's pretty much what he said.
Turbineguy
(39,950 posts)if you voted republican you could say "fuck me!" and with a smile.
NYC Liberal
(20,453 posts)obamanut2012
(29,304 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,453 posts)to ignore all the warnings and evacuation orders would be irresponsible.
And I stayed during Katrina, and saw what our first responders went through. If you don't get out, it's your own fault if it turns out a hell of a lot worse than you thought it would. Here for Katrina, we KNEW it would be bad as hell. And it was.
Your choice.
Don't be complaining when people in your area have PTSD because they had to pick through dead bodies.
jonpaulprime
(104 posts)"FU You're on your own"
In other words, sink or swim. No lifeguard.
Democrats on the other hand believe if you start to drown, the government should be there to rescue you.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,189 posts)jonpaulprime
(104 posts)we the people, are the government
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,189 posts)mucifer
(25,636 posts)He can't just send all the first responders to their deaths if it won't help. He has more info than we do.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)You get the warnings to get the heck out of dodge. Lots of warnings after warnings and then comes a time when no one can help you because the conditions are just too horrible and the rescuers' lives are at grave risk.
Get out now or you are on your own until conditions improve enough that help can get you out.
Kber
(5,043 posts)not by a long shot.
But if it's too dangerous to send in the first responders without endangering more lives, I'm not sure what else to do.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)if it means they become dead bodies, too.
You think policemen and firemen should be asked to risk their lives for people too stupid to leave?
flamingdem
(40,843 posts)He just goes off like an irritable lunatic
obamanut2012
(29,304 posts)People are always doing stupid things in a 'cane, and then wanting and expecting other people to probably die to come rescue them from their stupidity.
It happens down here every hurricane, and they are often tourists.
flamingdem
(40,843 posts)NOT presidential in the least. He is dealing with the inevitable here, some people don't get it, but he doesn't have to act the bully saying "you're on your own" because that especially impacts the elderly, people who don't speak English, disabled, etc.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)....told his residents they could stay put after Christie, on the advice of weather forecasters, told them to evacuate.
Here's the deal....if you're given a mandatory order to evacuate and you fail to do so, then you can't expect rescue personnel and police to come save you if your situation gets really bad.
louis-t
(24,595 posts)because it's melting, it's dangerous, then having to risk life and limb to rescue the dumbasses who go out anyway and break through the ice. But I still think Christie is an ass.
panAmerican
(1,206 posts)My husband and I both ice fish. Are there idiots who willfully go out there when it's clearly posted that it's not safe? Yes, but they are few and far between. The likelier scenario is that people find out from friends and online forums where the safe ice is, and that information is confirmed and reconfirmed before we go out there. People for whom sportfishing is a regular hobby respect nature, want it protected for future generations, and also tend to take care to outfit themselves and enjoy it in a safe manner.
There are plenty of legitimate ways someone could knock Christie; using this event is not one of them.
obamanut2012
(29,304 posts)Mark this on the calendar.
It is not safe for First Responders, nor is it fair to rescue people who are being stupid.
We are always told that in NC during hurricanes and really bad winter storms, and it's something I agree with.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I can't believe I agree with him, but he is right in this instance.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)He told people who didn't evacuate when they were told to evacuate that they're on their own until it's safe for rescuers to come after them tomorrow morning.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)likesmountains 52
(4,273 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)theKed
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(96 posts)ProudProgressiveNow
(6,189 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)EPIC
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)There were numerous warnings giving people plenty of time to leave. He can't risk other people's lives to save those who ignore those warnings. They've been talking about this storm for a week.
flamingdem
(40,843 posts)not everyone is on DU!
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)He had on a guest, not sure how he was involved with Katrina and FEMA but he also provided some very good advice along with Rev.
Rev. Al and he agreed that the elderly, disabled and poor; may not have had the ability to get out; and those, because it's the end of the month, were not able to buy emergency supplies or food are at highest risk of dying.
He said that it is up to the community, neighbors and friends to check on these people, share food, water, supplies and there aren't enough first responders available in the world to help each and every person that needs assistance.
He said as soon as it's safe, for neighbors to start checking on neighbors, share and to look out for one another.
He also said he hoped that one of the first priorities would be to open restaurants and stores so people can eat.
I love Rev. Al, a very wise man!!!
Americans stick together during times of crisis
flamingdem
(40,843 posts)only of dat stupid guy in joisey who is making his life more difficult.
First responders know their job, and most are willing to take those risks for the population that is vulnerable.
Christie missed that and here we see DUers who missed it as well. A good sound bite if he choses to run in '16 !
obamanut2012
(29,304 posts)Any of us who know cops and EMTs and firefighters know that.
flamingdem
(40,843 posts)THAT is not presidential, Obama would know that there are those who have trouble getting out, he'd NEVER say that, this is the point
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,189 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)The police were going up and down the streets announcing the evacuation, it was on tv, on the radio. If you were elderly or disabled, there was help getting out and getting to shelters so money was not an issue. These are people who chose to stay and ride it out. They were foolish.
panAmerican
(1,206 posts)He's been warning them from the very beginning, and without over-hyping the seriousness of the storm. There's no defensible reason why the AC mayor would defy not only the governor, but also the weather authorities. The state even sent NJ Transit buses down there WITHOUT BEING ASKED to evacuate people, and people told the bus drivers the mayor said they'll be safe in local shelters.
This is unconscionable. If there is any possibility to get people out of there, so that there are fewer people to rescue and/or shelter, you should do it.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)He is very serious and matter-of-fact in a crisis, I gotta give him that.
Christie has done the right thing all through this so far.
(waves from PA :hi
panAmerican
(1,206 posts)We have relatives on my husband's side in various parts of PA. We love your state!
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)If they want states to handle their own emergency response, then flat out say so. Ana while they are at it, send tax money back to blue states that is now going to red states, so that blue states can handle their expenses. Let red states pay for what their citizens are willing to pay for. Republicans love to talk about Greece, but Greeks don't like paying taxes, like most southerners. Let Louisiana pay for it's own strom response and tax their citizens to pay for it, not have the federal government tax California, New York and Massachusetts to pay for LA response.
Romney's spokeswoman was careful to explain that states would control activities, but they need FEM - that is what the fuck happens now. FEMA does not run in and declare martial law, the agency works with state and local governments to establish response plans, with the locals leading the way. How in the hell can ANYONE vote for Romney?
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)risk their lives because people did not listen. It will be too dangerous to get to certain areas when the high tide comes in and the storm surge is big.
He is a Dem, by the way. And I agree with him and Gov. Christie (very rare moment for me).
nolabear
(43,850 posts)Christie was right to tell people that he cannot send people into the middle of a storm. Things will kill them as readily as they will kill those who didn't leave.
During Katrina my sister received call after call (911 operator) pleading for help from people who stayed. There were ten feet of water and everything that would have told anyone where they were...markers, roads, signs, everything...was obliterated. She, and I by proxy, have not yet gotten beyond the helplessness. My job was to watch CNN and try to tell her what was going on as she was locked in a building upstate trying to coordinate a million calls and had nothing but generator power and no TV.
When the storm is over the First Responders can help. Not before.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)to stay. IIRC, Mayor Nagin advised those staying behind to relocate to the Coliseum.
Kurovski
(34,657 posts)I can't stand that human beach ball, but he let people know the score as it needs to be heard.
It's a dangerous situation, and folks need to respect that.
AngryOldDem
(14,180 posts)People have been given ample notice and warning to leave.
If they choose to stay, then they accept the consequences.
tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)it absolutely pains me to say this, but I agree with the Governor. People have had plenty of time to get the hell out of there and to a shelter, etc. The worst is yet to come...
LovePeacock
(225 posts)"Oh uh I love President Negro Obama and the gubment. Both are the best thing ever. That's what you people want me to say since you're all about to fuckin' drown, right? Yeah, I love the gubment now that I need their help..."
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)There would have been no point in endangering the rescue workers who are going to be badly needed in the days to come.
LovePeacock
(225 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)They're very old and I'm quite worried about them. They're a couple blocks from the beach on the upper floor of a high-rise. They had plenty of places to go but they were stubborn. While I'm quite mad at them for making that decision - they have the whole family stressing over them - I hate the attitude that should anything bad happen to them tough luck.
Kurovski
(34,657 posts)a lot of damage there. I hope they had enough food, water.
Hope they're well, or well enough.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)There is no way that first responders can come out in this kind of weather since they've been grounded as well for their lives.
LovePeacock
(225 posts)People have the freedumb to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
Christie is a hypocrite dickhead who is infringing upon peoples' freedumb.
ecstatic
(35,042 posts)It was off putting and effective at the same time. lol
I think all of our mothers taught us, if you can avoid it, dont be stupid, Christie said, warning residents of sustained 75 mph winds. So dont be stupid get out, and go to higher safer ground.
If I turn out to be right, you turn out to be dead. Christie warned. Thats not a great equation.
Nine
(1,741 posts)Yes, some people are simply idiots. But many others lack the means to evacuate.
undeterred
(34,658 posts)Ruby the Liberal
(26,620 posts)He said "evacuate or you are on your own". He told those selfish bastards that they are putting first responders at risk by being stubborn. He also said the same thing during Irene.