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Chris Christie: FU You're on you're on your own. (Original Post) Whovian Oct 2012 OP
You see, Turbineguy Oct 2012 #1
Wasn't that about people who still refuse to evacuate? NYC Liberal Oct 2012 #2
yes -- and he's right obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #13
Yep. Sending first responders on possible suicide missions to rescue people who chose NYC Liberal Oct 2012 #18
Yep Aerows Oct 2012 #33
You just summed up how Republicans really feel jonpaulprime Oct 2012 #3
Rescue operations are carried out by people, not governments. nt ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2012 #48
right jonpaulprime Oct 2012 #54
+1 ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2012 #55
He said it's too dangerous for the first responders to go there right now. mucifer Oct 2012 #4
We hear it in NC. nc4bo Oct 2012 #8
Not normally a Christie defender Kber Oct 2012 #9
You can't send people to pick through dead bodies Aerows Oct 2012 #34
So, KatyAnn Oct 2012 #5
This guy is a dick and he lacks leadership skill flamingdem Oct 2012 #6
Except Christie is 100% right in this case obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #15
It's more about his impulsive manner flamingdem Oct 2012 #24
Uh, no...what he actually said had to do with being pissed at the mayor of Atlantic City who.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #7
Kinda like telling ice fisherman not to go on the ice louis-t Oct 2012 #10
Serious Ice Fishermen (and Fisherwomen) don't panAmerican Oct 2012 #27
Having lived through several bad hurricanes, I agee with Chris Christie obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #11
I know Aerows Oct 2012 #35
Not exactly. MadrasT Oct 2012 #12
No, it isn't what he said. n/t Lucinda Oct 2012 #14
Not a fan of Christie, but I watched the briefing and that's not what he said. likesmountains 52 Oct 2012 #16
Sounds to me like the people still on the Jersey Shore are in big, big trouble... reformist2 Oct 2012 #17
I've been saying that for *years*... theKed Oct 2012 #32
Good one! BlueIndyBlue Oct 2012 #44
Too good! ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2012 #49
LOL! Sadly, they've all moved to LA... reformist2 Oct 2012 #53
ROTFL johnt_1956_55 Oct 2012 #57
Christie's right leftynyc Oct 2012 #19
The elderly, disabled, non-English speakers might still be there flamingdem Oct 2012 #25
Rev. Al just did a wonderful, thought provoking segment a few minutes ago.... nc4bo Oct 2012 #31
This is why Christie and similar aren't suited for leadership, he can't think of others in need flamingdem Oct 2012 #36
First Reponders would not be allowed to go out in this obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #39
Ok, but Christie dumps it like everyone has a way out of the situation and FU flamingdem Oct 2012 #50
+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2012 #51
No need for a computer leftynyc Oct 2012 #60
Gotta stand up for my Governor on this panAmerican Oct 2012 #20
Uh huh. Actually I think Christie has been handling this really well. MadrasT Oct 2012 #23
Hi back atcha! panAmerican Oct 2012 #29
The Romney people talk out of both sides of their mouths. bluestate10 Oct 2012 #21
Gov. Malloy in CT said the same thing. People were warned. First Responders should not have to Jennicut Oct 2012 #22
I know this from experience: First Responders are helpless in the midst of a hurricane. nolabear Oct 2012 #26
OT but hope you and your sister realize that many who stayed behind in New Orleans had no choice but coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #30
That's a terrible paraphrase. I saw the conference, and he was correct, and correct in his tone. Kurovski Oct 2012 #28
Well, he's right. AngryOldDem Oct 2012 #37
I'm dealing with Sandy right now in Southern Jersey... tallahasseedem Oct 2012 #38
He's a political opportunist fuckface like all conservative dickheads. LovePeacock Oct 2012 #40
He was simply stating a fact slackmaster Oct 2012 #41
Unfortunately, conservatives don't believe in facts. LovePeacock Oct 2012 #45
Some relatives are stubbornly sticking it out in Atlantic City Matariki Oct 2012 #42
Have you heard from them now that it's the next day? i'm sure others would like to know as well. Kurovski Oct 2012 #61
I hate the guy but he said it with valid reason. He told everyone to evacuate. vaberella Oct 2012 #43
The gubment doesn't have the right to tell people to evacuate. LovePeacock Oct 2012 #46
His delivery was pretty blunt. I think he got the point across ecstatic Oct 2012 #47
Um, weren't people told to leave before Katrina too? Nine Oct 2012 #52
That's not what he said. undeterred Oct 2012 #56
No, that isn't what he said. Ruby the Liberal Oct 2012 #58
isn't that kind of the republican mantra for everything? nt Momgonepostal Oct 2012 #59

NYC Liberal

(20,453 posts)
18. Yep. Sending first responders on possible suicide missions to rescue people who chose
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:11 PM
Oct 2012

to ignore all the warnings and evacuation orders would be irresponsible.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
33. Yep
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:46 PM
Oct 2012

And I stayed during Katrina, and saw what our first responders went through. If you don't get out, it's your own fault if it turns out a hell of a lot worse than you thought it would. Here for Katrina, we KNEW it would be bad as hell. And it was.

Your choice.

Don't be complaining when people in your area have PTSD because they had to pick through dead bodies.

jonpaulprime

(104 posts)
3. You just summed up how Republicans really feel
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 04:56 PM
Oct 2012

"FU You're on your own"

In other words, sink or swim. No lifeguard.

Democrats on the other hand believe if you start to drown, the government should be there to rescue you.

mucifer

(25,636 posts)
4. He said it's too dangerous for the first responders to go there right now.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 04:56 PM
Oct 2012

He can't just send all the first responders to their deaths if it won't help. He has more info than we do.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
8. We hear it in NC.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 04:59 PM
Oct 2012

You get the warnings to get the heck out of dodge. Lots of warnings after warnings and then comes a time when no one can help you because the conditions are just too horrible and the rescuers' lives are at grave risk.

Get out now or you are on your own until conditions improve enough that help can get you out.

Kber

(5,043 posts)
9. Not normally a Christie defender
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:01 PM
Oct 2012

not by a long shot.

But if it's too dangerous to send in the first responders without endangering more lives, I'm not sure what else to do.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
34. You can't send people to pick through dead bodies
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:46 PM
Oct 2012

if it means they become dead bodies, too.

KatyAnn

(66 posts)
5. So,
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 04:57 PM
Oct 2012

You think policemen and firemen should be asked to risk their lives for people too stupid to leave?

flamingdem

(40,843 posts)
6. This guy is a dick and he lacks leadership skill
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 04:58 PM
Oct 2012

He just goes off like an irritable lunatic

obamanut2012

(29,304 posts)
15. Except Christie is 100% right in this case
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:07 PM
Oct 2012

People are always doing stupid things in a 'cane, and then wanting and expecting other people to probably die to come rescue them from their stupidity.

It happens down here every hurricane, and they are often tourists.

flamingdem

(40,843 posts)
24. It's more about his impulsive manner
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:20 PM
Oct 2012

NOT presidential in the least. He is dealing with the inevitable here, some people don't get it, but he doesn't have to act the bully saying "you're on your own" because that especially impacts the elderly, people who don't speak English, disabled, etc.

OldDem2012

(3,526 posts)
7. Uh, no...what he actually said had to do with being pissed at the mayor of Atlantic City who....
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 04:58 PM
Oct 2012

....told his residents they could stay put after Christie, on the advice of weather forecasters, told them to evacuate.

Here's the deal....if you're given a mandatory order to evacuate and you fail to do so, then you can't expect rescue personnel and police to come save you if your situation gets really bad.

louis-t

(24,595 posts)
10. Kinda like telling ice fisherman not to go on the ice
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:01 PM
Oct 2012

because it's melting, it's dangerous, then having to risk life and limb to rescue the dumbasses who go out anyway and break through the ice. But I still think Christie is an ass.

panAmerican

(1,206 posts)
27. Serious Ice Fishermen (and Fisherwomen) don't
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:25 PM
Oct 2012

My husband and I both ice fish. Are there idiots who willfully go out there when it's clearly posted that it's not safe? Yes, but they are few and far between. The likelier scenario is that people find out from friends and online forums where the safe ice is, and that information is confirmed and reconfirmed before we go out there. People for whom sportfishing is a regular hobby respect nature, want it protected for future generations, and also tend to take care to outfit themselves and enjoy it in a safe manner.

There are plenty of legitimate ways someone could knock Christie; using this event is not one of them.

obamanut2012

(29,304 posts)
11. Having lived through several bad hurricanes, I agee with Chris Christie
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:04 PM
Oct 2012

Mark this on the calendar.

It is not safe for First Responders, nor is it fair to rescue people who are being stupid.

We are always told that in NC during hurricanes and really bad winter storms, and it's something I agree with.

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
12. Not exactly.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:04 PM
Oct 2012

He told people who didn't evacuate when they were told to evacuate that they're on their own until it's safe for rescuers to come after them tomorrow morning.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
19. Christie's right
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:11 PM
Oct 2012

There were numerous warnings giving people plenty of time to leave. He can't risk other people's lives to save those who ignore those warnings. They've been talking about this storm for a week.

flamingdem

(40,843 posts)
25. The elderly, disabled, non-English speakers might still be there
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:21 PM
Oct 2012

not everyone is on DU!

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
31. Rev. Al just did a wonderful, thought provoking segment a few minutes ago....
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:37 PM
Oct 2012

He had on a guest, not sure how he was involved with Katrina and FEMA but he also provided some very good advice along with Rev.

Rev. Al and he agreed that the elderly, disabled and poor; may not have had the ability to get out; and those, because it's the end of the month, were not able to buy emergency supplies or food are at highest risk of dying.

He said that it is up to the community, neighbors and friends to check on these people, share food, water, supplies and there aren't enough first responders available in the world to help each and every person that needs assistance.

He said as soon as it's safe, for neighbors to start checking on neighbors, share and to look out for one another.

He also said he hoped that one of the first priorities would be to open restaurants and stores so people can eat.

I love Rev. Al, a very wise man!!!

Americans stick together during times of crisis

flamingdem

(40,843 posts)
36. This is why Christie and similar aren't suited for leadership, he can't think of others in need
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:51 PM
Oct 2012

only of dat stupid guy in joisey who is making his life more difficult.

First responders know their job, and most are willing to take those risks for the population that is vulnerable.

Christie missed that and here we see DUers who missed it as well. A good sound bite if he choses to run in '16 !

obamanut2012

(29,304 posts)
39. First Reponders would not be allowed to go out in this
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 06:18 PM
Oct 2012

Any of us who know cops and EMTs and firefighters know that.

flamingdem

(40,843 posts)
50. Ok, but Christie dumps it like everyone has a way out of the situation and FU
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 06:29 PM
Oct 2012

THAT is not presidential, Obama would know that there are those who have trouble getting out, he'd NEVER say that, this is the point

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
60. No need for a computer
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 03:34 AM
Oct 2012

The police were going up and down the streets announcing the evacuation, it was on tv, on the radio. If you were elderly or disabled, there was help getting out and getting to shelters so money was not an issue. These are people who chose to stay and ride it out. They were foolish.

panAmerican

(1,206 posts)
20. Gotta stand up for my Governor on this
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:15 PM
Oct 2012

He's been warning them from the very beginning, and without over-hyping the seriousness of the storm. There's no defensible reason why the AC mayor would defy not only the governor, but also the weather authorities. The state even sent NJ Transit buses down there WITHOUT BEING ASKED to evacuate people, and people told the bus drivers the mayor said they'll be safe in local shelters.

This is unconscionable. If there is any possibility to get people out of there, so that there are fewer people to rescue and/or shelter, you should do it.

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
23. Uh huh. Actually I think Christie has been handling this really well.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:20 PM
Oct 2012

He is very serious and matter-of-fact in a crisis, I gotta give him that.

Christie has done the right thing all through this so far.

(waves from PA :hi

panAmerican

(1,206 posts)
29. Hi back atcha!
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:28 PM
Oct 2012

We have relatives on my husband's side in various parts of PA. We love your state!

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
21. The Romney people talk out of both sides of their mouths.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:15 PM
Oct 2012

If they want states to handle their own emergency response, then flat out say so. Ana while they are at it, send tax money back to blue states that is now going to red states, so that blue states can handle their expenses. Let red states pay for what their citizens are willing to pay for. Republicans love to talk about Greece, but Greeks don't like paying taxes, like most southerners. Let Louisiana pay for it's own strom response and tax their citizens to pay for it, not have the federal government tax California, New York and Massachusetts to pay for LA response.

Romney's spokeswoman was careful to explain that states would control activities, but they need FEM - that is what the fuck happens now. FEMA does not run in and declare martial law, the agency works with state and local governments to establish response plans, with the locals leading the way. How in the hell can ANYONE vote for Romney?

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
22. Gov. Malloy in CT said the same thing. People were warned. First Responders should not have to
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:18 PM
Oct 2012

risk their lives because people did not listen. It will be too dangerous to get to certain areas when the high tide comes in and the storm surge is big.
He is a Dem, by the way. And I agree with him and Gov. Christie (very rare moment for me).

nolabear

(43,850 posts)
26. I know this from experience: First Responders are helpless in the midst of a hurricane.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:21 PM
Oct 2012

Christie was right to tell people that he cannot send people into the middle of a storm. Things will kill them as readily as they will kill those who didn't leave.

During Katrina my sister received call after call (911 operator) pleading for help from people who stayed. There were ten feet of water and everything that would have told anyone where they were...markers, roads, signs, everything...was obliterated. She, and I by proxy, have not yet gotten beyond the helplessness. My job was to watch CNN and try to tell her what was going on as she was locked in a building upstate trying to coordinate a million calls and had nothing but generator power and no TV.

When the storm is over the First Responders can help. Not before.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
30. OT but hope you and your sister realize that many who stayed behind in New Orleans had no choice but
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:35 PM
Oct 2012

to stay. IIRC, Mayor Nagin advised those staying behind to relocate to the Coliseum.

Kurovski

(34,657 posts)
28. That's a terrible paraphrase. I saw the conference, and he was correct, and correct in his tone.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:26 PM
Oct 2012

I can't stand that human beach ball, but he let people know the score as it needs to be heard.

It's a dangerous situation, and folks need to respect that.

AngryOldDem

(14,180 posts)
37. Well, he's right.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:55 PM
Oct 2012

People have been given ample notice and warning to leave.

If they choose to stay, then they accept the consequences.

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
38. I'm dealing with Sandy right now in Southern Jersey...
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 05:58 PM
Oct 2012

it absolutely pains me to say this, but I agree with the Governor. People have had plenty of time to get the hell out of there and to a shelter, etc. The worst is yet to come...

 

LovePeacock

(225 posts)
40. He's a political opportunist fuckface like all conservative dickheads.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 06:20 PM
Oct 2012

"Oh uh I love President Negro Obama and the gubment. Both are the best thing ever. That's what you people want me to say since you're all about to fuckin' drown, right? Yeah, I love the gubment now that I need their help..."

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
41. He was simply stating a fact
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 06:21 PM
Oct 2012

There would have been no point in endangering the rescue workers who are going to be badly needed in the days to come.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
42. Some relatives are stubbornly sticking it out in Atlantic City
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 06:23 PM
Oct 2012

They're very old and I'm quite worried about them. They're a couple blocks from the beach on the upper floor of a high-rise. They had plenty of places to go but they were stubborn. While I'm quite mad at them for making that decision - they have the whole family stressing over them - I hate the attitude that should anything bad happen to them tough luck.

Kurovski

(34,657 posts)
61. Have you heard from them now that it's the next day? i'm sure others would like to know as well.
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 12:08 AM
Oct 2012

a lot of damage there. I hope they had enough food, water.

Hope they're well, or well enough.

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
43. I hate the guy but he said it with valid reason. He told everyone to evacuate.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 06:23 PM
Oct 2012

There is no way that first responders can come out in this kind of weather since they've been grounded as well for their lives.

 

LovePeacock

(225 posts)
46. The gubment doesn't have the right to tell people to evacuate.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 06:26 PM
Oct 2012

People have the freedumb to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

Christie is a hypocrite dickhead who is infringing upon peoples' freedumb.

ecstatic

(35,042 posts)
47. His delivery was pretty blunt. I think he got the point across
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 06:26 PM
Oct 2012

It was off putting and effective at the same time. lol

“I think all of our mothers taught us, if you can avoid it, don’t be stupid,” Christie said, warning residents of “sustained 75 mph winds. “So don’t be stupid get out, and go to higher safer ground.”

“If I turn out to be right, you turn out to be dead.” Christie warned. “That’s not a great equation.”

Nine

(1,741 posts)
52. Um, weren't people told to leave before Katrina too?
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 06:34 PM
Oct 2012

Yes, some people are simply idiots. But many others lack the means to evacuate.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,620 posts)
58. No, that isn't what he said.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:29 PM
Oct 2012

He said "evacuate or you are on your own". He told those selfish bastards that they are putting first responders at risk by being stubborn. He also said the same thing during Irene.

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