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https://www.politicususa.com/2022/04/25/doj-called-on-to-open-a-sedition-investigation-into-trump-and-his-staff.htmlPosted on Mon, Apr 25th, 2022 by Jason Easley
DOJ Called On To Open A Sedition Investigation Into Trump And His Staff
The thousands of texts obtained by CNN from the 1/6 attack period are leading to calls for Trump and his staff to be investigated for sedition.
Richard Painter tweeted:
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Legal experts and many others, memorably Rep. Adam Schiff, pointed out when Republicans refused to hold Trump accountable after he tried to blackmail Ukraine that the now-former president and his allies would be emboldened to commit more and potentially even worse crimes.
Those warnings have come true multiple times over.
The good news is that the DOJ could still act and hold those responsible accountable for the crimes of 1/6.
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Without criminal prosecution, Republicans are unlikely to be deterred because at the heart of their behavior is a desire to defy the will of the people and remain in power.
Republicans have stopped trying to win elections by appealing to voters. They view their path to power through the delegitimization of the democratic process.
Republicans aren’t trying to win free and fair elections. The GOP is attempting to eliminate them and whatever reservations that Merrick Garland and the Department of Justice might have about prosecuting Trump. they should view any prosecution as an extension of their mission to defend democracy.
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blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)
Grins
(9,435 posts)“DOJ Called On To Open A Sedition Investigation.”
Yeah? By whom?
A lot of “shoulds” and “coulds” but no names or actions in that article.
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Joinfortmill
(21,040 posts)“The grand jury empaneled by DOJ is looking into a wide range of issues surrounding former President Trump’s efforts to overturn the results of the election, after months in which DOJ focused on rioters directly involved in the storming of the Capitol.”
Emile
(42,107 posts)dchill
(42,660 posts)Emile
(42,107 posts)dchill
(42,660 posts)NullTuples
(6,017 posts)Emile
(42,107 posts)
callous taoboy
(4,784 posts)I wish he'd do a toon about this seeming recalcitrance on the part of Garland. I hope we are all wrong about him.
comradebillyboy
(10,953 posts)an existentialist play. Like Waiting for Godot.
jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)To "Waiting for Mueller". Hope the ending has more action but not getting my hopes up. 
Grasswire2
(13,849 posts)
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)
ewagner
(18,967 posts)ewagner
(18,967 posts)
calimary
(89,878 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 27, 2022, 01:36 PM - Edit history (1)
I used to fantasize about taking two round metal trash can lids (with a handle in the center) and using ‘em like big orchestra cymbals. Like in the cartoons dontchaknow. I think Bugs Bunny maybe?
sprinkleeninow
(22,319 posts)🤣
msfiddlestix
(8,178 posts)
Ohio Joe
(21,898 posts)It’s currently on it’s 7th Grand Jury, using the two seditious conspirators they already flipped as well as the evidence they provided… That we know (we don’t know exactly what more they are showing yet) This Grand Jury is almost certainly only looking at the inner circle (though maybe tfg as well). At worst, no tfg is lined up to be next.
I’d expect a lawyer to know that before making such a statement but… Maybe not Bush’s White House ethics lawyer.
gab13by13
(32,121 posts)the notion that cases have to proceed from the bottom up is a cop out.
"almost certainly" is a good way to frame it, I agree. DOJ is almost certainly, one day, going to investigate people who were not at the Capitol on 1/6. If a grand jury was looking at "inner circle" people it would have leaked out.
We know for certain that DOJ has at least 2 prosecutors digging up dirt on the Bidens, that has been leaked.
wnylib
(25,840 posts)personally support TFG and by a Federalist director of the FBI.
Ohio Joe
(21,898 posts)What do you have that shows the investigation has been compromised?
gab13by13
(32,121 posts)Wray didn't adequately vet his law school acquaintance Brett Kavanaugh, even though he had thousands of complaints on the FBI tip line. That investigation by Wray was certainly compromised. As far as coup investigations being compromised, I don't see that, I don't see investigations to be compromised.
Mike Lee wanted Trump to replace Comey with Garland but Trump chose Wray instead.
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Ohio Joe
(21,898 posts)That is what I thought.
Grasswire2
(13,849 posts)That's akin to sending TFG a hit list of victims.
Very creepy.
Grasswire2
(13,849 posts)That's akin to giving a sexual predator (TFG) a hit list of victims.
wnylib
(25,840 posts)of the Federalist Society, as is Kavanagh. Woukd Wtsy go after one of his own?
wnylib
(25,840 posts)not to prosecution. In order to prosecute, there needs to be an investigation to gather evidence, no?
The FBI Director, Chris Wray, appointed by TFG, is a Federalist. The Federalist Society has suggested and vetted judicial appointments made by TFG. John Eastman, instrumental in developing the 1/6 attack and promoter of the election fraud claims, is a Federalist.
In August, 2021, the FBI said there was "scant" evidence of any coordination between militia groups or between the Capitol attack and the Trump administration.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/
Ohio Joe
(21,898 posts)With the 7th 1/6 Grand Jury using the flipped seditious conspirators as well as evidence they have from the FBI, it would appear that report from last Aug. was wrong.
wnylib
(25,840 posts)was wrong. It was also a premature statement to make about a complex, violent attack before thorough investigations were done.
Despite the people who have flipped, isn't the grand jury still dealing with lower level seditionists?
Ohio Joe
(21,898 posts)That fell/falls under the first four Grand Juries.
wnylib
(25,840 posts)enough evidence to convict the top level people behind the sedition, like John Eastman.
Ohio Joe
(21,898 posts)I, on the other hand, find the fact that DOJ is going after them with the Grand Jury to indicate they feel they do have the evidence. DOJ is not in the habit of going after people they do not feel very certain they can convict.
Grasswire2
(13,849 posts)Federalist Society Member
Trump hold-over
Do-nothing stooge.
uponit7771
(93,528 posts)Ohio Joe
(21,898 posts)"the notion that cases have to proceed from the bottom up is a cop out."
No... It is how mob cases are prosecuted. Your desire to just go after the top is a recipe for failure, just like your desire to go after Meadows for peanuts while giving all of TFG's inner circle a get out of jail free card.
""almost certainly" is a good way to frame it, I agree. DOJ is almost certainly, one day, going to investigate people who were not at the Capitol on 1/6. If a grand jury was looking at "inner circle" people it would have leaked out."
So much wrong here... I say almost certainly because we do know for a fact people in TFG's inner circle are under investigation... I've given you the facts twice in the last few days (and many times before that)... Here it is yet again:
TOM BARRACK
RUDY GIULIANI
ROBERT COSTELLO
SIDNEY POWELL
MARK MEADOWS
ALEX JONES
ROGER STONE
ERIK PRINCE
https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/02/08/the-eight-trump-associates-whom-doj-is-investigating/
But, you know... Keep pretending that does not exist... And certainly don't address it because you never do... Just make the same incorrect claim again in a day or two. We also know that two of the seditious conspirators have flipped and are being used in the 7th 1/6 Grand Jury with every indication being that this is for TFG's inner circle based on what we know they are being shown... The two flippers, whatever evidence the flippers have (we know they have some, just not what it is) and Terrio and Rhode's phones. That is what we know is being shown, there is definitely more as DOJ only goes to Grand Jury when they have a lock. All of that points squarely at TFG's inner circle.
As for other people not at the capitol, so far two have been indicted... Terrio and Rhodes... But you have also been shown that many times before.
"We know for certain that DOJ has at least 2 prosecutors digging up dirt on the Bidens, that has been leaked."
No, there is only one investigation into Hunter, that is by David Weiss and it was not leaked but announced by Barr when TFG was president. Durham may have mentioned the laptop in a filing but that is red meat for the base and not an investigation.
Oh... And regardless of what Painter may or may not have said about TFG, he is still someone who was the White House ethics lawyer... Not exactly someone whose legal word I'll take.
gab13by13
(32,121 posts)who is investigating Hunter Biden. Weiss and Durham are both investigating Hunter Biden.
Ohio Joe
(21,898 posts)He was appointed to investigate the origins of the FBI investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. elections. Please show any evidence he is investigating Biden.
Celerity
(54,301 posts)https://www.yahoo.com/video/u-attorney-overseeing-hunter-biden-142128648.html
The prosecutor overseeing the tax investigation tied to Hunter Biden will remain in his post, while the Biden administration asks other U.S. attorneys appointed by President Trump to resign, according to a new report.
U.S. Attorney David Weiss of Delaware, who is handling the investigation into the president’s son, will stay on in his role, according to Fox News. It is standard practice for a new administration to request the resignation of all U.S. attorneys upon entering office.
Garland pledges 'there will not be interference' in DOJ's probe of Hunter Biden
Posted April 26, 2022
https://www.wral.com/garland-pledges-there-will-not-be-interference-in-dojs-probe-of-hunter-biden/20253097/
hamsterjill
(17,541 posts)When something actually happens, I’ll happily admit that I’m wrong. But nothing is happening or we would we hearing about it through some means. The American people collectively are frustrated at the pace and it would do well for Dems to get something moving!
Ohio Joe
(21,898 posts)Claiming there is nothing is simply not true...
If you think DOJ is not doing anything, then why do you think they keep climbing the ranks with prosecutions and indictments?
Garland could have spent four years going after the low level thugs at the Capitol, had a bunch of show trials and called it a career. This was what I feared most at first.
But... He did not stop there.
He went after and caught the next level up and now has 12, including 2 not at the Capitol, charged with seditious conspiracy. Again, he could have stopped there... Had the trials and called it a career. At this point, he probably would have even been made to look as if he had gone above and beyond. A lot of people never expected the investigation to go that far.
But... Again, he did not stop there.
He has now flipped two of the seditious conspirators (that we know of) and in the agreement said he plans to use him in the Grand Jury (we'll get to that). He could have stopped there, not wanted them in a Grand Jury, and had the show trials doubly nailing the 12 in even bigger fashion and bigger TV clip drama with their own on the stand pointing the finger.
But... Still he did not stop there.
He convened a 7th Grand Jury for 1/6. You do not do that unless you plan to go higher... And any higher is TFG's inner circle, in this case (with the flipper being Josua James) that mean Roger Stone. The same Roger Stone that currently is having a fairly public falling out with maga world. We also know that at this point there are at least eight of TFG's inner circle under investigation... They are:
TOM BARRACK
RUDY GIULIANI
ROBERT COSTELLO
SIDNEY POWELL
MARK MEADOWS
ALEX JONES
ROGER STONE
ERIK PRINCE
For more on Grand Juries for 1/6, see here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216589606#post12
We also know what is needed... What is nice to have... What is known to be had... What is still needed... And how what is needed might be gotten to go directly after TFG, see this previous post of mine:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216561245
So... Where and when do you think Garland stops? Does he throw the Grand Jury to let them off? What if they indict? My suspicion is that this Grand Jury is just to go after the inner circle and not TFG yet... I think that for a reason... He has gone after this from day 1 as though it were a mob case, it certainly appears to me to be a text book mob case. Once he has indictments against the inner circle, you have a different set of defendants than any before... Older men who tried for a coup and failed... Older men now facing dying in jail going up against someone they know has them nailed.
hamsterjill
(17,541 posts)At what point will Donald Trump be held accountable for the crimes he has committed against this democracy?
When you can answer that, then we will have something to discuss. Until then, you don’t know any more than I do and we have a difference of opinion.
I see nothing of significance happening that doesn’t give Trump some means of getting away with everything.
Ohio Joe
(21,898 posts)Rather than the facts that those things are... And if you would rather not want to discuss it then I would appreciate it if you would not throw out a personal attack like I'm just being a cheerleader. Disprove the facts, that is fine, I'll admit I'm wrong... But a personal attack combined with a refusal to discuss facts should not belong here.
hamsterjill
(17,541 posts)It was a comment because I HAVE seen the same information posted numerous times.
I think your response is a little over the top. It’s not just me - on DU or out in the real world - who think nothing is going to happen to Trump, and thus far, the FACT is that nothing has. When that changes, we can discuss FACTS. When Trump is put in jail, we can discuss FACTS. We can discuss the FACT that many legal scholars and even Democrats currently in office have stated the FACT that they are frustrated with Garland. Nothing has been done that is punitive to Trump and that is FACT.
Ohio Joe
(21,898 posts)I've also never claimed otherwise.
The case is and has been handled as a mob case from the start... That means going from the bottom up. Wanting TFG locked up is all well and good but if the case has zero chance of winning it would be even worse than not bringing charges. How well did the rights chants of 'lock her up' go? It's a bad strategy.
Garland is knocking at the door of TFG's inner circle after 13 months, the Grand Jury is in session... Faster than the only comparable case in history, Watergate, went. He is building a solid case from the ground up. When it comes time, do you think people like Meadows and Stone will want to die in jail for TFG? I don't, I bet they beg to flip (we know pillow guy is already begging to flip)... Maybe I'm wrong there... Maybe they will pin their hopes on him getting elected again... I think that is a fantasy and I think they do as well.
Others have failed to get TFG, that is true. Extrapolating that out to decide he'll never be caught is not something I believe. People believed that about Gotti for decades... He died in prison.
hamsterjill
(17,541 posts)They already know the fix is in and that they will be all right. The naïveté is astounding.
Let’s you and I make a deal, okay? When do you think Garland will bring charges against Trump? The latest he will do it?
If he doesn’t by the time you pick, you owe me a coke and an apology. If he does by or before the time you choose, I will owe you a coke and an apology.
Deal?
Ohio Joe
(21,898 posts)I’m on my phone so I won’t put out my reasoning but I think an indictment of tfg will be handed down around late June/early Aug of 2023. There are possibilities that could make it happen as soon as Jan 2023 but I think that is not going to happen then.
hamsterjill
(17,541 posts)And I’ll owe you a coke and an apology. Until then, however, I am not holding my breath. If something doesn’t happen before the mid terms, it won’t happen at all. And it’s already getting too late for the midterms.
Have a great rest of your day.
Emile
(42,107 posts)As stated, it is only my speculation.
Silent3
(15,909 posts)Something big should already be happening to disrupt the still-in-motion coup. If these guys skate passed the 2022 election, Republicans will lock up enough power in the states and in Congress to completely rig the elections for Republican victory in 2024. With all of the voter suppression laws already in effect, we may have already had our last somewhat free and fair election.
Justice delayed is justice denied.
But, gosh, at least the DoJ can polish their cases to a superb high shine before maybe a handful of Trump high-level cronies spend a few months in jail, then get being pardoned in January 2025.
Ohio Joe
(21,898 posts)The inner circle and TFG could be indicted tomorrow, tried the day after and in prison by the weekend and it would not change a thing going on with what repugs are doing in the states... Not a single thing. It is a completely different problem than the one of people facing justice for 1/6.
What about those laws then? I don't know yet... I've really only started looking at this issue tonight, from a thread here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216631541
I'll have more to say when I understand the laws passed/trying to be passed better but... It's two separate issues.
Silent3
(15,909 posts)...to help overcome the effects of the election rigging that's happened so far. Between inflation and historic trends for midterm elections, we've already got a shitload working against us to overcome. If we're lacking the effect indictments and convictions could have, that's one more force working against us.
mdelaguna
(471 posts)
spanone
(141,454 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 26, 2022, 01:09 PM - Edit history (1)
How about a RICO investigation too.
LaMouffette
(2,638 posts)be more prepared when he does indict Traitor Trump. Seeing all the damning evidence will make it slightly less of a surprise when Garland does take action. I just hope that the hearings are aired in prime time and on more than just CNN and MSNBC
Of course, the Trump Humpers will not be swayed by the hearings, but the vast number of Americans who really don't pay much attention to politics might take notice and be persuaded that the unprecedented act of indicting a former president is more than justified and not just a "witch hunt" (as TFG and his cult members will undoubtedly brand it).
gab13by13
(32,121 posts)gab13by13
(32,121 posts)msfiddlestix
(8,178 posts)but i had forgotten that little factoid until this reminder.
I don't remember which committee member said it though.
in any event, it has been my personal view from the git-go... that is to say, if DOJ is waiting for the J6 committee to preaent their findings, "we are screwed:...
Well it appears we are anyway. at this point.
Here it is another election season, and all the reasons generally used not to launch investigations or make public etc, on the shelf talking point to recycle from the not too distant past. rinse repeat.
it's a wonder how the defenders of the current dynamics haven't keeled over with exhaustion with their rationalizations.
but the same could be said for folks like me, keeping tabs on the dismal reality of our justice system and other democratic "norms".
anyhow, just wanted to say I appreciate your input, greatly.
kacekwl
(9,118 posts)the hearings keep getting pushed back a month every month.
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Ligyron
(8,006 posts)and yeah, we also can only hope Garland is perhaps maybe just waiting for those hearing to get in gear. The timing of them relative to the mid terms might prove advantageous.
OldBaldy1701E
(11,043 posts)Which is why we need to get this done before the midterms. But, that is just my opinion.
Rebl2
(17,670 posts)the committee was supposed to start those hearings this month.
ShazzieB
(22,541 posts)I have just about given up replying to/arguing with the naysayers myself (too much work for too little return lol), but I appreciate comments like this SO MUCH.
LaMouffette
(2,638 posts)and any indictments being important for the midterms. If the hearings/indictments happen too soon before the midterms, they will be like the impeachment hearings and quickly forgotten by the media and hence by many American voters. The media and many voters have a collective case of attention-deficit disorder.
867-5309.
(1,189 posts)Not feeling this is a game changer
Harker
(17,741 posts)Nothing yet.
I'm shocked.
Magoo48
(6,719 posts)Until I am wrong though, I’ll simply say this, “Fucked again.”
Fiendish Thingy
(23,050 posts)
LizBeth
(11,222 posts)that was already in process all this time to hear he has not even started.
Bev54
(13,422 posts)LizBeth
(11,222 posts)We are supposed to trust Garland is on it with no evidence he is pursuing Trump. We are told we simply have no trust and faith or we are not really Democrats if we ask about when Garland is going to show us what he is working on. Now I am hearing he has not even started working on it.
Bev54
(13,422 posts)outed by a witness 2 months after it was seated? Grand juries are not seated at the beginning of an investigation but usually in the middle before indictments. People refuse to believe Garland when he says he will investigate all, no matter who or how high they are. Why is that? Nobody believes him but willing to believe all these pundits? I don't get it.
gab13by13
(32,121 posts)the Fulton county DA in Georgia is convening a special grand jury that just gathers evidence and does not indict.
Bev54
(13,422 posts)I don't see people shitting all over them and it has taken a very long time for a single crime investigation. Garland has a myriad of crimes to investigate against many people and he is too slow?
Botany
(77,208 posts)Richard Painter:
Professor Richard W. Painter received his B.A., summa cum laude, in history from Harvard University and his J.D. from Yale University, where he was an editor of the Yale Journal on Regulation. Following law school, he clerked for Judge John T. Noonan Jr. of the United States Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit and later practiced at Sullivan & Cromwell in New York City and Finn Dixon & Herling in Stamford, Conn.
He has served as a tenured member of the law faculty at the University of Oregon School of Law and the University of Illinois College of Law, where he was the Guy Raymond and Mildred Van Voorhis Jones Professor of Law from 2002 to 2005. He has been the S. Walter Richey Professor of Corporate Law at the University of Minnesota Law School since 2007.
From February 2005 to July 2007, he was associate counsel to the president in the White House Counsel’s office, serving as the chief ethics lawyer for the president, White House employees, and senior nominees to Senate-confirmed positions in the executive branch. He is a member of the American Law Institute and is a reporter for the new ALI Principles of Government Ethics. He has also been active in the Professional Responsibility Section of the American Bar Association. He is a board member and vice chair of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington as well as a founding board member of Take Back our Republic, a campaign finance reform organization.
Painter has also been active in law reform efforts aimed at deterring securities fraud and improving ethics of corporate managers and lawyers. A key provision of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002, requiring the SEC to issue rules of professional responsibility for securities lawyers, was based on earlier proposals Painter made in law review articles and to the ABA and the SEC. He has given dozens of lectures on the Sarbanes-Oxley Act to law schools, bar associations, and learned societies, such as the American Academy of Arts and Sciences. Professor Painter has on six occasions provided invited testimony before committees of the U.S. House of Representatives or the U.S. Senate on government ethics, securities litigation, and/or the role of attorneys in corporate governance.
https://law.umn.edu/profiles/richard-w-painter
wnylib
(25,840 posts)Did he advise on the topic of torture?
uponit7771
(93,528 posts)Emile
(42,107 posts)Grasswire2
(13,849 posts)Everybody knows there's no there, there.
uponit7771
(93,528 posts)
stopdiggin
(15,380 posts)to that question. Weiss (and the Hunter 'investigation') was left in place with the change in administration - primarily to provide every appearance of 'non-interference' and impartiality. It's not really going anywhere (that we know of) - and Garland has kept a 'hands length' relationship there for precisely the reasons listed above.
(you're talking about people that are trying to exercise good ethics, and do the right thing. however little credit they actually receive for it.)
uponit7771
(93,528 posts)stopdiggin
(15,380 posts)Then provided one. If you didn't care for it (quelle surprise) we can probably both live with that. The 'debate' department is down the corridor and left.
Edit: looks like I responded to wrong post. I believe that the 'effort' toward impartiality and avoidance of impropriety is an important part of righting the ship at DOJ - and at it's core and intent entirely 'ethical' (and certainly undertaken for ethical reasons, and as an attempt to restore such standards).
And now we can return to my comment on the debate department.
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Bev54
(13,422 posts)seated in January. Usually a grand jury comes after months of investigation. Please stop saying nothing is being done because there are not daily leaks but everything else shows it is happening.
ShazzieB
(22,541 posts)I'm so tired of people insisting adamantly that that there's no investigation and never will be.
It's not over till it's freaking over.
Bev54
(13,422 posts)I come here for the knowledge of so many and to keep my sanity in the confusion of news outlets but it seems there is a small group of people that just come here to try to convince us the sky is falling.
Scrivener7
(59,384 posts)many members of the House Judiciary Committee. Which oversees the DOJ.
Bev54
(13,422 posts)of the evidence showing there is an investigation
Grasswire2
(13,849 posts)Bev54
(13,422 posts)uponit7771
(93,528 posts)thesquanderer
(12,989 posts)Justice matters.
(9,739 posts)the DOJ wants to charge all his crimes at once, not just Contempt alone.
There is a GJ that's looking at ALL of this in DC.
ShazzieB
(22,541 posts)I hadn't thought of that, but it makes perfect sense that they'd want to charge everything at once.
I don't pretend to know what's going on at the DOJ, and I don't understand how anyone else here can be so sure they're doing nothing.
Signed,
Tired of Reading Those Comments
Grasswire2
(13,849 posts)ShazzieB
(22,541 posts)You don't know what's been posted until you read it, and then it's too late.
mn9driver
(4,848 posts)But even I can see the end of democracy as a natural and inevitable result of not prosecuting TFG. I am losing hope that it will happen. The DOJ appears to be incapable of doing this vital job.
I think we may be screwed. Not exaggerating.
lindysalsagal
(22,902 posts)to either pick up the sword or be replaced.
Novara
(6,115 posts)Richard Painter - as much as I respect him - holds no official position in government and is no more effective in "calling for an investigation" than you or I are.
This article is garbage trying to sensationalize current events.
Same as it ever was.
babylonsister
(172,740 posts)try to dazzle us with your brilliance?
I didn't know Painter's thoughts prior to this article.
Please proceed. 
Emile
(42,107 posts)Snackshack
(2,585 posts)“The good news is that the DOJ could still act and hold those responsible accountable for the crimes of 1/6.”
That a sentence like that should ever have to be written when a Dem is President. The DOJ has been by far the biggest disappointment of the Biden era. Garland & DOJ have been real tough with the LHF of 1/6 but completely and intentionally incompetent when it comes to the DT’s, Thomas, Bannon, Stone, Miller etc, etc all of the people who organized and whipped up 1/6.
History is full of examples of people breaking the law and then not being held accountable and doing it again only smarter because they have been allowed to learn the mistakes of the 1st.
Because the DOJ has not acted and pretty soon we will start hearing the excuse that it is now too close to an election (midterms) for them to do anything… it is all but guaranteed that the 2022 midterms are going to be a huge 💩show. Every republican that loses their election will claim the vote a fraud/rigged. Had the DOJ acted at some point in the last 2 yrs this might have been avoided. Comey sunk the Dems in 2016 in 2022 it will be Garland and his complete lack of spine to defend Democracy.
Scrivener7
(59,384 posts)
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)
maxrandb
(17,407 posts)and pepper him with questions about investigating Donnie Dipshits coup, stolen national security documents, missing phone records, stolen silverware, unreported foreign gifts, the $2,000,000,000 bribe from the Saudis to his son-in-law and every documented action of malfeasance, misadministration, theft and fraud.
Garland will give the correct answer that "DOJ doesn't blah, blah, blah", but that doesn't matter.
Dems should be throwing so much shit at the wall that the media has to cover it.
ecstatic
(35,060 posts)Heads would be rolling. The sedition caucus would be expelled or forced to resign. Meadows and others would be on their way to prison right now. TFG would be preparing to go under oath.
yonder
(10,287 posts)
Martin68
(27,626 posts)If our democracy is to survive.
quakerboy
(14,850 posts)in 30-60 years, im sure we will get a report of some kind on the matter.
Joinfortmill
(21,040 posts)“The grand jury empaneled by DOJ is looking into a wide range of issues surrounding former President Trump’s efforts to overturn the results of the election, after months in which DOJ focused on rioters directly involved in the storming of the Capitol.”
The DOJ is on it.
Kid Berwyn
(24,245 posts)“Republicans have stopped trying to win elections by appealing to voters. They view their path to power through the delegitimization of the democratic process.”
onenote
(46,127 posts)Without doubt, there are some individuals for whom the charge of seditious conspiracy might be applicable. But the analyst seems not to have a firm grasp of basic legal principles.
First, seditious conspiracy requires a conspiracy that seeks to achieve its objective (sedition) via the use of force. Second, there needs to be evidence that the person accused of being a co-conspirator had a mutual understanding with at least one other person of their specific intent to commit the objective of the conspiracy (i.e. forcible action). It is not enough for a person to have knowledge or have been warned by others that there could/would be violence on January 6. As one of the leading cases on seditious conspiracy notes, everyone named as a co-conspirator must be shown to have a “shared a ‘unity of purpose,’ the intent to achieve a common goal, and an agreement to work toward that goal.” While Meadows and others had a shared unity of purpose and intent to get Congress not to declare Biden the winner of the election, the evidence that he agreed that violence should be used to achieve that end just isn't there.
Where the analyst has a much better argument is with the possibility of charging Meadows and others with conspiracy to defraud the government.