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Tue Apr 26, 2022, 04:50 PM

U.S. intel helped Ukraine protect air defenses, shoot down Russian plane carrying hundreds of troops

By By Ken Dilanian, Courtney Kube, Carol E. Lee and Dan De Luce
April 26, 2022

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As Russia launched its invasion, the U.S. gave Ukrainian forces detailed intelligence about exactly when and where Russian missiles and bombs were intended to strike, prompting Ukraine to move air defenses and aircraft out of harmís way, current and former U.S. officials told NBC News.

That near real-time intelligence-sharing also paved the way for Ukraine to shoot down a Russian transport plane carrying hundreds of troops in the early days of the war, the officials say, helping repel a Russian assault on a key airport near Kyiv.


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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/us-intel-helped-ukraine-protect-air-defenses-shoot-russian-plane-carry-rcna26015

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Reply U.S. intel helped Ukraine protect air defenses, shoot down Russian plane carrying hundreds of troops (Original post)
sciencescience Apr 26 OP
ColinC Apr 26 #1
calimary Apr 26 #2
temporary311 Apr 26 #4
calimary Apr 26 #19
getagrip_already Apr 26 #5
calimary Apr 26 #20
hedda_foil Apr 26 #3
Chin music Apr 26 #6
ColinC Apr 26 #9
Chin music Apr 26 #10
ColinC Apr 26 #14
Chin music Apr 26 #15
joshcryer Apr 26 #12
ColinC Apr 26 #16
denbot Apr 27 #22
WarGamer Apr 26 #7
Wingus Dingus Apr 26 #8
Chin music Apr 26 #11
Shanti Shanti Shanti Apr 26 #13
TygrBright Apr 26 #17
dameatball Apr 26 #18
EX500rider Apr 26 #21

Response to sciencescience (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2022, 04:52 PM

1. Does anybody else feel like there was an OPSEC violation in getting this news out?

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Response to ColinC (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 26, 2022, 05:17 PM

2. OPSEC?

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Response to calimary (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 26, 2022, 05:24 PM

4. OPerational SECurity.

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Response to temporary311 (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 26, 2022, 11:21 PM

19. Aha! Got it. Thanks!

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Response to calimary (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 26, 2022, 05:25 PM

5. Operational security.....

Secret stuff staying secret.

Could have been an intentional leak. "We know where you will shell before your troops do". Has kind of a demoralizing effect.

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 26, 2022, 11:22 PM

20. I was not familiar with that one. Thanks! I wasn't even ready to venture a guess.

"Secret stuff staying secret." Makes sense to this commoner. I appreciate this!

Learn something new every day here on DU!

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Response to ColinC (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 26, 2022, 05:22 PM

3. It sure feels that way, but nevertheless I think it's unlikely.

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Response to Chin music (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 26, 2022, 06:21 PM

9. Well

This seems like info that we might not want public on the face of it, but with your point and others above, it seems like it could be a rather wise decision in letting Russia know Ukraine is far from alone in this fight.

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Response to Chin music (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 26, 2022, 06:40 PM

14. Same on both regards.

It's a nice feeling. Standing up to a bully and for democracy.

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Response to ColinC (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 26, 2022, 06:28 PM

12. The US has been openly "leaking" information like this.

This in particular will make Russian soldiers, if they get the information, think twice about getting on a Russian carrier plane. It will also make the pilots think. They of course will have no choice. But as more fall the lack of confidence in the leadership will grow. And with that, tactics will have to change, which will further hamper their ability to do anything.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 26, 2022, 06:55 PM

16. Makes sense.

Although I hope some pilots are in a position to be able to trade in their expensive jets for a million bucks and Ukrainian citizenship. Perhaps news like this can push them towards that possibility.

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Response to ColinC (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 27, 2022, 12:14 AM

22. Yup

No harm in admitting "helping", but identifying particular operations should be a no-no.

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Response to sciencescience (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2022, 05:49 PM

7. I'm also surprised this intel was released.

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Response to sciencescience (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2022, 06:07 PM

8. Russia knows we're sharing intelligence. They have to know

Ukraine isn't just making a series of improbably lucky shots over the last two months on a number of strikes.

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Response to sciencescience (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2022, 06:28 PM

13. I am getting tired off reading all this OPSEC info blurted out, can't anybody keep their lips shut?

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Response to sciencescience (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2022, 07:33 PM

17. This refers to two months back, there's a definite reason for releasing it now.

It was clear enough then that US and other NATO intel was providing fire control and asset management information to UA, just based on results.

Even with that help, UA demonstrated some pretty hoopy chops in the early days, but Russia had to know they were getting help.

Why "confirm" it now?

I suspect several factors came together, but among them:

Macron's electoral victory led directly to the provision of 155mm truck-mounted "Ceasar" cannon, and Macron becoming much more forthcoming about France's commitment to assisting Ukraine.

Russia's clumsy threats about nuclear retaliation to Britain were a clear attempt at intimidation.

Finland and Sweden publicly acknowledging and announcing a timeline for their intent to apply for NATO membership.

Recent visits by high-level US officials to Kyiv.

This looks to me like a coordinated ratcheting operation, increasing pressure on the Sov... sorry, "Russia", to prevent them from escalating. The U.S. publicly acknowledging this assistance provokes all kinds of questions, including what assistance are we providing that we're NOT acknowledging.

It's a very delicate balance, pushing at the Russians' paranoia, getting them to imagine things, confirming past help but not hinting about current efforts, pulling the "retaliation" rug out of their propaganda arsenal.

I think there are very experienced, very careful strategists working on this.

speculatively,
Bright

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Response to sciencescience (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2022, 07:52 PM

18. Maybe this is saying "Remember the bounty you put on American soldiers? Well here ya go!"

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Response to sciencescience (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2022, 11:47 PM

21. Rumor is a US P-8 Poseidon located and transmitted the location of the missile cruiser Moskva to UKR

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