Trump Org grand jury term expires this week - not extended :(

[Laura PourMeADrink]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/27/politics/trump-organization-investigation-grand-jury/index.html


CNN
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A special grand jury seated to hear evidence in the Manhattan district attorney’s investigation into the Trump Organization’s finances is set to expire at the end of the week and will not be extended, people familiar with the investigation tell CNN.

The six-month special grand jury, which was empaneled in October, heard evidence late last year from several witnesses, including reporters to whom former President Donald Trump boasted about his personal wealth. Presentations to the grand jury were halted earlier this year after Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg was sworn into office and raised concerns about the strength of the evidence.

The decision to not extend the jury’s term is not surprising because prosecutors already had pulled back from presenting evidence, but the development does indicate that over the past few months, the investigation has not escalated to the point that Bragg’s calculus has changed.

Bragg, who has stressed that the investigation is continuing following the abrupt and public departure of two senior prosecutors, said earlier this month there is no “magic” to the special grand jury’s timetable and that his office could present

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[2naSalit]

1. Not a good sign.

[spanone]

2. The fix is in.

[KPN]

15. Exact 4 words that came immediately to my mind.

[spanone]

20. Otherwise it makes no sense.

[sarcasmo]

3. I fear Tish James is our only hope.

[SoonerPride]

4. Here come the calls for more patience.

Don't you know we are playing the loooooooooooooooong game?

Some time by 2067 charges will drop.

Just you wait and see!

Have faith!

[Fiendish Thingy]

11. One failure to prosecute does not mean all investigations will end that way.

Vance/Bragg’s investigation will end without an indictment, but that has no bearing on the outcome of investigations by James, Willis and the DOJ.

[SoonerPride]

13. You let me know when anyone, ever, anywhere, prosecutes trump.

It would be a first.

I'm not holding my breath.

[Leith]

12. These calls for patience

were just for us to shut the fuck up and let the criminality slide.

How the hell else are we supposed to view it? They found everything they needed to find and it turned out to be nothing?

In his resignation letter, Pomerantz said he believed the office had "evidence sufficient to establish Mr. Trump's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. ... I also do not believe that suspending the investigation pending future developments will lead to a stronger case or dispel your reluctance to bring charges."

Pomerantz added: "I and others believe that your decision not to authorize prosecution now will doom any future prospects that Mr. Trump will be prosecuted for the criminal conduct we have been investigating."

Move along... nothing to see here.

[Fiendish Thingy]

14. Those comments are specific to the Manhattan DA's investigations

And have no bearing on investigations guided by Willis, James and the DOJ.

[KPN]

17. Though just over a year ago when impeachment 2

failed the reassurance was always “yeah, but wait, the Manhattan investigation I’d going to destroy him”. So … ho-hum Re: “no bearing on other investigations”.

[SoonerPride]

21. How many times does Lucy pull that football?

Eventually Charlie Brown wises up.

I know I have.

[KPN]

32. Yup.

[hamsterjill]

24. And none of those have resulted in charges either.

And never will.

[Magoo48]

26. When tremendous amounts of money, and power, and threats, and blackmail

goes on behind the scenes; this is what we see. Nothing. Just what we are supposed to see.

[Thomas Hurt]

5. Compromised or coward...

[dalton99a]

34. Not mutually exclusive

Likely both

[Bettie]

6. So much for "the investigation is ongoing"

Apparently, that orange turd is above the law.

[rurallib]

7. trump delays his way out of charges

justice delayed is justice denied.

[empedocles]

8. Damn scary

[rockfordfile]

9. So is Bragg a corrupt un-American pos?

[Dave says]

10. Sure does seem like it

[delisen]

18. His phony claim that the investigation was continuing certainly seems to have been dishonest

[dalton99a]

36. It was a fucking lie

[harumph]

50. Yes.

Those of us who stated he was lying were pooh-pooed by some
on this board.

[KPN]

33. Or he's parrying a threat to self and/or family.

[delisen]

39. If he were compromised by threat the honorable act is to reveal and/resign. N/T

[msfiddlestix]

43. Wouldn't say Un-American, but POS you betcha

Being a POS in a position of power, seems to be quite "American" ..

Free to Crime if you're wealthy and you can pay off the "deciders".

[Tickle]

16. From the way I understand it

is they would never get a second grand jury because there is a great possibility of perjury. Sometimes people's recollection changes as time goes on

[Laura PourMeADrink]

30. Not sure I follow you. What I read is that they decided

not to seek further indictments on anyone else at trump org... Even tho they were mentioned in the Weisselburg indictments because it didn't seem "big" enough.

I've been kind of following this case. It was once described as huge. As a flagrant fraud. And the latest description it turned into not a big deal and Weisselburg will probably not see the inside of a prison

Hope I spelled his name right.. don't feel like looking it up

[Tickle]

37. I wish I could find the link

The fear of having another grand jury could mean a recall on some of the people who had already been called and gave a testimony under oath. To redo the same testimony or answer questions about their testimony could create perjury for some people. Not because they are intentionally lying but because memories change as time goes on.

Caprice?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

42. So basically if no indictments are recommended then the

prosecutors give up when a GJ is disbanded.

I think I need to understand better exactly what is off the table at this point. This particular grand jury did hand down an indictment for Weisselburg only. No accomplices and no FG.

[SoCalDavidS]

19. The Democrats Can Kiss The Midterms Goodbye

There is going to be a complete lack of enthusiasm by enough Democratic voters, that they'll stay home in November.

They'll say, "why bother?" They voted for ACCOUNTABILITY in 2020, and received NONE.

Sure, those of us on DU will do our part, but we can't do it alone. The lack of enthusiasm will decrease turnout significantly enough that we'll lose the House, and if it's bad enough, the Senate.

It's coming. Mark my words.

[hamsterjill]

25. Agree 100%.

Voters want action and they are not seeing it.

[Duncan Grant]

27. Agreed -- but I'm surprised this thread has only 11 recs.

In any event, I expected this from the start and can’t resist saying (to no one in particular), “I told you so”.

[SoCalDavidS]

29. I Have ZERO Desire To Say "I Told You So"

I wish more than anything that I had been completely wrong in my expectations.

I am not pissed at those on DU who did believe, and probably still believe, that there will be SOME accountability.

I am EXTREMELY ANGRY at the fact that NOTHING is going to happen to these Pieces Of S&*T who suffer no consequences for their actions.

[Arazi]

38. And they'll blame Bernie, the Squad, progressives, or ANYONE else for that loss

Or the “unreliables” or the young voters didn’t vote or some other horse shit

[SledDriver]

22. Well there's a fuckin' surprise

Just keep letting them run out the clock. Trump wins again...

[Emile]

23. That's how he skirts the law.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

41. And it's effect is more than avoidance of legal prosecution

in my mind. The farther you get from an actual crime, the less people take it seriously. Pouncing immediately adds credibility to the severity.

You even saw this with R's in the immediate aftermath on 1-6. Well, for 24 hrs anyway.

Hard to manufacture outrage 1 1/2 years later. A June 1-6 public hearing might look ridiculous to many.

[gldstwmn]

28. This is so frustrating.

[UTUSN]

31. Oh great.

[dalton99a]

35. "I told you WITCH HUNT! They've got NOTHING!"

The motherfucker is going to crow about it until the end of time

[Achilleaze]

40. Doubleplusungood

[Carlitos Brigante]

44. That's OK, because we've been told by our own Susan Collins here, that he's been

"sufficiently punished punished by the voters..."

Hard to type that bullshit with a straight face.... Because we all know fascists don't get more reactionary and vengeful when the ballot doesn't go their way. Oh and never mind our obvious 2 tier "justice system".

[Laura PourMeADrink]

45. Unfortunately, not just her. Biden and Trump tied for 24

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/597823-biden-trump-tied-in-hypothetical-2024-matchup-poll/

[Carlitos Brigante]

46. I was using Susan Collins metaphorically. Point being, fascist criminals don't "learn their lesson"

just because voters reject hem. They just go back to the drawing board, retool. Then come back stronger when allowed to get away with crimes.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

47. Agree. And what's worse is that our current environment feeds this behavior

Fuels it. Too much info. Average attention span like 5 minutes at the most. And very seldom does a new story last more than 24 hours.

[Carlitos Brigante]

48. That's huge right there. Trump is no genius, but he sure can play the majority of the press, like

the ratings hungry suckers that they are. Add to that what you said about our "Tik-Tok" attention span. And we're in deep shit.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

49. Chicken or egg? Huh. If you go to the core, to me,

It's technology. Over the last 25 years, technology has allowed us to access almost ALL the information that exists. There's literally not even enough time in one day to keep up with major events. And lost too is a source of information that everyone trusts. And every news source is trying to get our attention. And how do they get your attention? By making something extraordinarily provocative.

I don't see any of this changing do you? Strikes me as we just have to find our own path.