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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Thu Apr 28, 2022, 01:29 PM Apr 2022

Almost without exception, even the most rotten excuse for a human being has, at some time

in their life, smiled at a cute baby, petted a puppy or opened a door for an elderly person. Some may have provided jobs for many or made profitable investments that improved our way of life.

None of the above transforms them into "good people".

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Almost without exception, even the most rotten excuse for a human being has, at some time (Original Post) Atticus Apr 2022 OP
Yes, even bad people sometimes do good things PatSeg Apr 2022 #1
Sheriff Arpaio in Phoenix was really good about rescue animals and prosecuting animal cruelty AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #2
Yep dalton99a Apr 2022 #3
when I was in high school there was a guy, handsome, a star football player... agingdem Apr 2022 #4
There's a way to connect with anyone! usonian Apr 2022 #5

PatSeg

(47,399 posts)
1. Yes, even bad people sometimes do good things
Thu Apr 28, 2022, 01:37 PM
Apr 2022

now and again. Kind of paraphrased Mr. Rogers lesson about good people sometimes do bad things, but it doesn't make them bad. Goes both ways.

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,008 posts)
2. Sheriff Arpaio in Phoenix was really good about rescue animals and prosecuting animal cruelty
Thu Apr 28, 2022, 01:39 PM
Apr 2022

While I respect that it doesn't do anything to make up for the fact that he's a racist who abused prisoners.

agingdem

(7,847 posts)
4. when I was in high school there was a guy, handsome, a star football player...
Thu Apr 28, 2022, 01:54 PM
Apr 2022

cruel and violent, verbally abusive, an arrogant asshole if ever there was one...he was involved in a horrific accident and lost his leg below the knee...months later when he returned to school, he was hailed a hero, a nice guy..he wasn't, he did however stop slapping his girlfriend...he was, as before, a cruel and violent arrogant asshole but with a prosthesis...a moment of conscience is an aberration and does not make a rotten excuse for a human being any less rotten

usonian

(9,776 posts)
5. There's a way to connect with anyone!
Thu Apr 28, 2022, 01:58 PM
Apr 2022

I posted this elsewhere today in
https://democraticunderground.com/100216636127
Democrats Need to Stand Up for Themselves

Read up on Influence and Persuasion and the key thing is to connect.

Personal narratives are a great way to do this.

Robert Cialdini's "Influence" (1984) is a standard. Here's a summary:
https://cxl.com/blog/cialdinis-principles-persuasion/
The most significant aspects of this tome were Cialdini’s “6 Principles of Influence,” which are:

Reciprocity;
Commitment/consistency;
Social proof;
Authority;
Liking;
Scarcity.

On a different level, you might skim "Life Strategies" by Dr, Phil. (the ONLY book by Dr. Phil I can recommend)
It starts with a narrative --- Oprah convincing a Texas jury about her beef remarks --- talk about a tough case.

Another thing that's important to connect is to replace "Yes, but" with "Yes, and" if that's at all possible.

I *do* recommend avoiding hard-core cult members, who are in denial of anything but dogma, and communicating instead with people who can make a human connection. It's a matter of finding a common ground or experience.

Narratives can open doors and minds.

Despite all the hate talk, there are things we have in common with others if we ask. Broad smears are meant to close those doors in advance.

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