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dalton99a

(81,631 posts)
Fri Apr 29, 2022, 03:08 PM Apr 2022

Elon Musk's business ties to China draw scrutiny after Twitter purchase

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/elon-musks-business-ties-china-draw-scrutiny-twitter-purchase-rcna26057

Elon Musk’s business ties to China draw scrutiny after Twitter purchase
The Tesla CEO has built a close relationship with Chinese officials.
April 29, 2022, 1:11 PM CDT
By Louise Matsakis

China is Tesla’s second-largest market, responsible for producing around half its cars and generating more than a quarter of its revenue. In 2019, Tesla became the first foreign automaker to open an independent factory in China, which was recently selected by Shanghai authorities as one of 600 businesses that could reopen during a Covid lockdown in the city. Tesla secured roughly $1.6 billion in loans from Chinese banks to finance the project, and has also received a $1.8 billion investment from Tencent, one of China’s largest tech companies.

“There certainly is the potential that the Chinese could directly or indirectly put pressure on Musk to constrain how Twitter talks about China,” said Scott Kennedy, an expert in Chinese economic policy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington think tank. “He’s supposed to be a guardian of the public square. That understandably raises questions given how invested Tesla is in China.”

In December, Tesla made its largest show of support for the Chinese government yet, announcing it had opened a showroom in the western Chinese region of Xinjiang, where human rights groups estimate more than 1 million Uyghurs and other ethnic minorities have been imprisoned in what the the U.S. government has labeled a genocide. Other Western companies have pledged to stop sourcing raw materials from Xinjiang, and Tesla’s move came just days after President Joe Biden signed a law restricting imports from the area.

“It is unthinkable that Mr. Musk’s company Tesla could operate in the hotbed of human rights violations without the blessing of the Chinese Communist Party,” Rep. Bill Pascrell Jr., D-N.J., said in a statement. “If Mr. Musk ultimately acquires Twitter, those relationships and the site’s behavior towards CCP (Chinese Communist Party) interests and freedom generally will demand close and continued scrutiny by Congress and the Biden administration.”
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Elon Musk's business ties to China draw scrutiny after Twitter purchase (Original Post) dalton99a Apr 2022 OP
China is a problem for Tesla, but Musk should be worrying about, Toyota, Ford, GM, VW, and Benz... TreasonousBastard Apr 2022 #1
+1. The big boys are getting ready dalton99a Apr 2022 #2
Legacy auto is about 5 years behind Miguelito Loveless Apr 2022 #6
Ahh yes. Explains Elon's disinfo campaign with GOP against the new Homeland Sec oversight Budi Apr 2022 #3
Yep. dalton99a Apr 2022 #4
In a democracy, power derives from the consent of the governed. Power from the top is an autocrat. bucolic_frolic Apr 2022 #5
Indeed Miguelito Loveless Apr 2022 #7

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
1. China is a problem for Tesla, but Musk should be worrying about, Toyota, Ford, GM, VW, and Benz...
Fri Apr 29, 2022, 03:20 PM
Apr 2022

all of whom are fast coming up with really good electric vehicles and know who the target is. All of them have muttered about gas engines being gone in a few years.

Really, if you want a $100,000 car, would you get a Mercedes or a Tesla? For less money you can have an electric Mustang or Ionique 5. And Ford and Rivian already have a leg up on electric pickup trucks, with Chevy close behind.





dalton99a

(81,631 posts)
2. +1. The big boys are getting ready
Fri Apr 29, 2022, 03:27 PM
Apr 2022

with their mass production prowess and their supply and distribution networks


Miguelito Loveless

(4,475 posts)
6. Legacy auto is about 5 years behind
Fri Apr 29, 2022, 04:05 PM
Apr 2022

Tesla in EVs. And they are very late to the game in building battery factories and sourcing lithium, nickel, cobalt, and other materials needed. Most of the battery factories promised in the last year will not come on line for 18-24 months, at which point they will need materials. Anyone without existing purchase agreements (pre-dating 2020) for raw materials will be at the mercy of the spot market for those materials. Tesla has all of these and the clout to get more. It has solid long term contracts with Panasonic and CATL.

Musk is turning himself into a pariah by sticking his nose into politics, but his strategy build EVs and a sounds charging network have been spot on. While I would never spend $100K on any car, if my choice was between the $45K standard range Model 3 and any other EV, it would be the Tesla hands down, since it has a formidable, ubiquitous and easy to use supercharger network.

(For the record I own/owned both Tesla and non-Tesla EVs).

In my humble opinion the biggest threat to Tesla is not Toyota, GM, et al. It is Musk himself wasting his time on projects like Twitter and neglecting Tesla at this critical stage. He is also damaging all of his brands by feeding his ego and starying from his own stated missions.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
3. Ahh yes. Explains Elon's disinfo campaign with GOP against the new Homeland Sec oversight
Fri Apr 29, 2022, 03:31 PM
Apr 2022

“If Mr. Musk ultimately acquires Twitter, those relationships and the site’s behavior towards CCP (Chinese Communist Party) interests and freedom generally will demand close and continued scrutiny by Congress and the Biden administration.”

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216640548

bucolic_frolic

(43,342 posts)
5. In a democracy, power derives from the consent of the governed. Power from the top is an autocrat.
Fri Apr 29, 2022, 03:35 PM
Apr 2022

1A protects free speech, not controlled speech. This entire concentration of power is the opposite of our founding documents' stated purpose.

Miguelito Loveless

(4,475 posts)
7. Indeed
Fri Apr 29, 2022, 04:07 PM
Apr 2022

Musk, like the majority of conservatives/libertarians, misunderstands the whole concept of the 1st Amendment.

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