To those men of DU who are instructing women on who we should and should not be mad at tonight:

[Scrivener7]

DO NOT DARE TELL ME HOW TO FEEL ABOUT THIS.

DO NOT DARE.

Just back the fuck off.

[Deuxcents]

1. We're all pissed

We need like minded men to support us, too. In the marches, at the polls. Writing letters..whatever. We’ve been fighting this good fight..time for some added voices.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

80. Exactly!!!!!! My husband is pissed. And he's an anti-ruffle-feathers type.

[BlackSkimmer]

2. God, glad I've missed those threads.

Just checking in before an early night…that might have prevented sleep.

[lunatica]

4. Me too.

[TimeToGo]

34. Haven't seen that

Who would say that, for heavens sake

[RobinA]

126. I Haven't Seen It Either,

but whatever. Anybody on the correct side of this is OK by me. Plus, a man may have an idea that I didn't think of.

[calimary]

70. Me too.

I thank God every day that my husband shares my views on so many things including this issue. Couldn’t have married anyone who didn’t. And he came to those conclusions on his own before he even met me.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

81. Me too... I kept quiet and truth and knowledge prevailed!

[Pacifist Patriot]

101. Yep

[mcar]

3. Well said. nt

[AngryOldDem]

5. EXACTLY.

[Docreed2003]

6. This man of DU stands with you in solidarity

This SHOULD make us all angry and screw anyone who criticizes that anger.

[Scrivener7]

7. Thank you. Nothing could be more welcome tonight.

[Docreed2003]

9. ...

I don't know what is coming but I do know we're all going to have to lean hard on each other.

[mcar]

67. Thank you

[gopiscrap]

93. same here

[XacerbatedDem]

120. This man of DU stands with you, also, and, to quote a famous line...

"I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore."

[JohnSJ]

8. Thank-you. That needed to be said

[roamer65]

10. It's a fascistic, immoral and purely anti-democratic decision if the leaked brief is true.

No one has the right to tell a woman what she can do with her own body.

NO ONE.

Guess we are going to have to resurrect the Underground Railroad.

Sigh.

This gay man stands in support of completely unrestricted choice.

[Coventina]

11. If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a holy rite.

Men have just declared war on women.

Which side are you on, boys?

[roamer65]

12. I haven't.

I’m on the side of unrestricted choice.

Always have been, always will be.

If I had my way, I’d drop RU-486 from helicopters.

[Coventina]

13. INSTITUTIONALY they have. n/t

[roamer65]

18. Yes, the religious nut case ones.

Like Thomas, Alito, Cavanaugh and Gorsuch.

[Coventina]

22. They represent the institutional patriarchy (which has always been at war with us)

but they are now actively enslaving us through our government.

What are feminist men going to do about it?

This is active WAR now.
These are our BODIES!!!!

What are you going to do?

[roamer65]

25. I'm a gay man.

I understand discrimination.

I will do what I can where I can.

I fully expect Obergefell to be overturned.

[Coventina]

27. Thank you. Seriously, thank you.

I get it. And I get that you get it.

[roamer65]

28. First thing, first.

Getting women in need to legal states.

Underground Railroad here we come. May we make Harriet Tubman proud!

[Coventina]

32. Absolutely!

We need to organize charities as well, to fund travel, lodging, etc.

[roamer65]

36. On a small positive note.

In Michigan, Governor Whitmer has fast tracked a law suit to overrule our stupid, archaic 1931 anti-choice law.

Progressives hold a 4-3 majority on our Supreme Court.

If struck down, we would become a no restriction state.


I luv my Guv.

[Coventina]

41. I love her too. But, apparently it's a-ok to attempt to kidnap and kill her.

More war against women!!!


Glad that Michigan is going the right way, reproductively.
Where I am, we're going the wrong way (Arizona).
All our crazies are reacting to AZ being blue in the presidential, so they're trying to lock that down so it never happens again.

Oh how I hate reactionaries.

[roamer65]

53. ..

[CrispyQ]

112. Seven states have passed laws with full access to abortion.

There's a great interactive map at this site that shows the state of abortion state-by-state.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/abortion-laws-by-state

AK - Alaska
CO - Colorado
NH - New Hampshire
NJ - New Jersey
NM - New Mexico
OR - Oregon
VT - Vermont

Kind of surprised to see Alaska on the list.

[HuskyOffset]

129. Thank you for that link (NT)

[2Gingersnaps]

141. Thank you for having our backs!

You can bet your life I will be having yours, because that is exactly what we are all betting.

I come at this from this angle-flaming liberal, traditional marriage, Mom of three, Grammy of four. My parents died, I grew up in foster care. I know who is looking out for the weakest and most helpless. No one. Look at the States most likely to ban abortion, check metrics on child standard of living in those states. The expanded child tax credit lifted 30% of children out of poverty, the benefit reached 61 million children. Congress couldn't cut that fast enough.

Since mental health care is for whiners, slackers, and those just looking for an excuse (extreme sarcasm), you think this country is in a crisis now? Let the fascist win, let them run the school boards, let them embrace that trickle down economics, give them "don't ask don't tell" instead of healthcare. Give them non-woke math books instead of food. See how that works out in about 10 years.

[niyad]

76. you forgot the handmaid.

[notinkansas]

84. And also - handmaiden barrett.

[pazzyanne]

88. Exactly! nt

[halfulglas]

95. Don't forget Barrett.

She thinks it's okay because women have the option to give the infant away. They completely ignore the fact that most non Christians believe life begins at first breath - not at conception or even in the uterus. Those who believe this don't even get considered.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

14. Neither have I

But I get the anger.

[Scrivener7]

19. But that's the thing. No you don't. Your country did not betray you tonight. It didn't

tell you how little value you have tonight. It didn't tell you tonight that you will breed if it kills you and there is nothing you can do about it.

[Bev54]

61. But it has betrayed the mothers, wives, sisters, daughters and granddaughters

so I would expect men should rise up with women, this could affect any family.

[BobTheSubgenius]

78. It's important to note that not ALL men have.

Certainly not me.

[Ray Bruns]

104. If men could get pregnant, there would be drive through abortion clinics

with a beer section in the back.

[demigoddess]

131. YES!!!!

and neon lights to advertize!

[TomSlick]

153. As Gloria Steinem said:

"If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament."

[TomSlick]

154. As Gloria Steinem said:

"If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament."

[wryter2000]

110. It isn't just men

There are plenty of women on the wrong side of this. And plenty of great men. I’m a woman who had to go to Japan to get an abortion, and I was super lucky to have been able to do it.

[TomSlick]

15. Your enemy is not angry men on DU.

Everyone on DU is lost between denial and anger. It is hard to expect considered rationality at this point. Please, let's allow each other to vent without attacking.

[Scrivener7]

17. Read the OP again.

[TomSlick]

29. I'm sorry. I read the OP carefully before posting and did so again at your prompting.

Maybe the OP did not convey your meaning. I get it, emotions are raw for all of us. All I am asking is that we give each other a little grace and space until we have all had a chance to digest the news and for emotions to cool.

At this point, we should not be telling each other to "back the fuck off." We are all we have.

[Scrivener7]

33. Read the OP again. And stop instructing me on how to react to this thing when you have

no idea what this feels like for women.

Read the OP again.

[TomSlick]

59. I will follow my own advice and allow grace and space to be angry.

[Scrivener7]

163. Be sure to wave good-bye to the horses after you get that barn door shut.

[North Shore Chicago]

97. Tomsplainin'

They will not even allow us to have raw anger without sticking their big fat nose in it. This issue has assisted me on just who to place on full ignore.

[MadameButterfly]

137. I haven't seen the OP you are referring to so sorry if I can't refer to that

but rage is an appropriate response to events and thanks to DUers who allow us to unload a bit after such an assault.
Again, I don't know the OP she is referring to but her expression of anger feels cathartic to me. Thanks.

Understanding that DU men in general aren't the problem, thanks for standing by us.

What is amazing though is that there are so many men (on the Republican side) whose relationship with women is so distant, or controlling, or somehow they feel so threatened (that they'll lose their maidservants or have to compete in the workplace) that they will do this to their wives, mothers, sisters, daughters, grand-daughters. That they won't even back off just because they'd like to have sex (outside of rape), is a mystery to me. So much for family values.

[dixiechiken1]

65. Thank you for your support, TomSlick!

I'm as pissed off as any other female on this site tonight but I am thankful for all the progressive men who have our backs and lift us up with their support. My husband is one of those men. I thank goddess for him every day. EVERY. DAY.

[NH Ethylene]

108. I also thank you for your support.

And for your suggestion of 'grace and space.'

This is an incredible blow to all of us. Women will feel this more acutely, since it strikes at the core of our freedom to determine our own lives and regulate our own bodies. But progressive men are right here with us. It's not just a woman's issue; it's a human issue.

[Bucky]

148. I hear what you're saying, but...

You're making the same kind of mistake that I usually make. Trying to introduce cold logic on the day that people have discovered just how much and how maliciously they are under personal attack may not be the best timing.

[wryter2000]

111. Thanks for 'splaining that to me

N/t

[obamanut2012]

116. oh stop mansplaining this

JFC.

[MrsCoffee]

122. +1

[qazplm135]

16. I mean, as a man, I'm pretty much angry

at everyone right now, so hard for me to tell any woman not to be angry at men, women, me, the world, anything right now.

We all failed, as a people to let this happen. I didn't do enough to help stop it personally.

[UTUSN]

20. Who are those men on DU?

[Just_Vote_Dem]

26. Some people are angry at my post

trying to tell them not to turn on each other and focus the anger at the Repubs. I hated to see the division that was happening when we need to be united at this time.

[questionseverything]

147. Sounds like good advice

[Ligyron]

107. Sure as shit wasn't me.

And I’ll join in bodily with any action proposed.

[Ilsa]

21. I feel like everything I've done for Women's health and abortion rights

has been for nothing. I'm pissed at the RWers, the court, and apathetic young people.

[Coventina]

23. I'll bet they won't stay apathetic for long.

The young women, at least.
It's always the women who suffer.

[wnylib]

30. Yup. I remember my anti abortion activist coworker

from many years ago - until she got pregnant and asked me where to get an abortion.

[roamer65]

31. This country is starting to remind me of Apartheid South Africa.

[BlackSkimmer]

43. No. nt

[dixiechiken1]

64. Yup, "apathetic young people"...

They could be such a powerful voting bloc but they haven't been consistent or dependable. If this doesn't galvanize ALL young women to get off their asses and VOTE, then they will have no one to blame but themselves.

[stopdiggin]

82. a little bit off topic

but a lot of the 'young' have come to the belief that government really is not an effective vehicle for change and improvement. (don't ask me for the rationale here, because much as I read and try to grok, it totally eludes me) Suffice it to say, I think this is terribly misguided (indeed dangerous) notion - and do we really need to look further for illustration (?) - but there you have it.

[electric_blue68]

180. Not "not for nothing"...

For 49 years or so RvW gave a lot more (not all, unfortunately) the choice when or if to have children.

Some families were happier bc their children were spaced out better.
Some women had careers before they had children.
Some spaced out their children so a grandparent could care for a grandchild more easily while their "child" went off to work.
Other single women , and couples wanted to remain Child Free, and able to do and live in he life they wanted to have.


So not for nothing, even if now we have to fight (arggg) again!

[hamsterjill]

24. +1000

n/t

[gab13by13]

35. Why not join together and fight?

The House already voted to codify Roe. The Senate needs to carve out the filibuster and vote with the House to codify Roe.

There will be tremendous pressure on Manchin to vote in favor.

Not trying this is giving up.

[Scrivener7]

37. Seriously? Your response is to accuse us of giving up?

[gab13by13]

63. No, I did not say that at all,

I am talking about the Senate giving up.

[Atticus]

109. Apparently, what you said or did not say does not matter. Your post has been "re-said" in a way

that makes it fit into a narrative.

[ancianita]

40. +1000

[wnylib]

38. Time for a multi million pink hat march.

In DC and across the nation.

Men welcome to join, maybe with an "I'm with her" t shirt.

I am woman, hear me roar,
In numbers too big to ignore.
And I know too much to go back and pretend,
'Cause I've heard it all before
I've been down there on the floor.
No one's ever going to keep me down again.

[Scrivener7]

39. I will be there. As always.

[ShazzieB]

66. I am strong, I am invincible!

I AM WOMAN!!!!!

[wnylib]

68. Our theme song for marches.

[CrackityJones75]

87. And what will it do?

honestly? they laugh at the pink hats. They don’t give a shit if we want to spend the day walking around holding cardboard signs. They do not give a flying fuck. At all. About any of that. At best they use it to make ads out of the angry mob.

They are not scared of a March. They need to.be scared in order to.change course.

[wnylib]

92. It will energize blue voters.

It will give women across the country a chance to meet personally and exchange activist strategies. It will show the misogynistic politicians the strength of numbers against them. It will bring out male allies who support us in demonstrating that it is a human rights issue, not only a women's issue. It will energize people against the next step of criminalizing birth control.

I saw a lot of pride in the 2016 pink hat march, not embarrassment over being female. If you are female and that embarrasses you, that's sad. If you are not female WTF do you have to feel embarrassed about?

[CrackityJones75]

98. I don't know how to say this without saying it

We have to go beyond and the standard peaceful protests. Not necessarily saying that laws need to be broken, but they do not care about that. They intend to steal elections. They literally do not give a shit about the cares of women. They are fascists.

[wnylib]

99. I did not say that actions should be

limited to protests, did I?

Women who meet up at protests in DC and locally in our communities can discuss strategies on what else to do, when, where, and how.

[CrackityJones75]

100. Jesus I wasn't picking an argument with you

merely continuing the conversation.

We are all tense. And stressed the hell out.

[wnylib]

125. Sorry. Guess I misread the tone of your post.

[58Sunliner]

138. I understand what you are saying, but visibility is important.

So what would scare them?

[CrackityJones75]

139. We are going to see a lot of women die.

For various reasons a lot of women are going to die because of overturning RvW. On top of that many millions more will suffer. If we know that is going to be the case and when it happens what should the appropriate reaponse be to a govt that treats its citizens like that? At that point the govt is not fulfilling its duties of protecting its citizens. It will need to be overthrown in some capacity. It will be illegitimate at that point. Are we there yet?

[58Sunliner]

143. Already there. I had a spontaneous abortion, and I would have died if not for a D&C.

I know many will die. I saw a post on twitter that asked if we should wait till they have the military and the nuclear codes. I think it is time to think about what a progressive militia would look like and how it will function.

[bluecollar2]

166. A national general strike or boycott

By people who support a woman's right to choose might work.

Smarter people than me would have to figure out the tactic but off the top of my head I'd suggest a boycott of travel destinations instated like Florida and Texas.

It worked for the United Farm Workers when they targeted Gallo.

Coordinate with human rights organizations internationally to single out those states and encourage them to reassess their plans.

It's time to put the ERA back in the spotlight.

Maybe a small sticker with the letters ERA printed on it to raise awareness?

Just thinking out loud here.

[usonian]

42. Time for a DU break for me.

My GOTV page gets 18 recs (best F-ing GOTV page ever!)
My Ukraine Relief page gets 4 (count them, 4) recs. (Most comprehensive one ever)
So someone drops a hand grenade in the barracks and gets 40.

READY! FIRE! AIM!
Many of us have been fighting for justice 50 years or more.

Take some action.
I'll be back in a week or more

GOTV
https://democraticunderground.com/100216380145

GO UA!
https://democraticunderground.com/100216497648

[BlackSkimmer]

45. That's what you're getting from this OP?

Wow.

[Celerity]

58. +1

[Coventina]

55. Way to be an ally there, chum.

[Celerity]

60. +1

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

96. If you are, don't take it personally.

See my PM.

[BlackSkimmer]

121. No one should take anything personally on the internet.

If they do, probably best to find other ways of spending their time.

[obamanut2012]

117. Dafuq

[tritsofme]

44. What? I haven't seen that sentiment anywhere on this site. Train your fire somewhere else.

[Scrivener7]

47. How nice for you.

Another man heard from.

[obamanut2012]

118. Do not call the OP a liar

The posts exist.

[Meadowoak]

46. A civil war is coming.

[Hekate]

50. It already began. This is just the overture to the Victory Ball.

[roamer65]

54. Yes.

The end of the “United” States.

[Hekate]

48. Glad I missed that

[Ferrets are Cool]

49. With you

[CaptainTruth]

51. I'm a man & I'm mad as hell. And I'll leave it at that...

[Scrivener7]

56. It's heartbreaking.

[Lithos]

57. I am male

I am an ally and stand in solidarity.

[Scrivener7]

162. Thank you.

[dlk]

62. Whose body is it?

I’m afraid this nightmare is just beginning. Next up, birth control, gay rights, civil rights, and on and on. The rabid and radical right is just getting warmed up. The irony is, American men would never stand for politicians legislating control over their bodies and reproductive choices. Remember the hysteria over just wearing masks in the midst of a deadly pandemic?

The truth is: it’s not their body and it’s not their choice.

[Joinfortmill]

69. Amen

[Lunabell]

71. Yes!

We will prevail!!

[NotTodayPutin]

72. That's a bold move for a man to take.

Telling a woman how to feel, or whom to be mad at.

[seta1950]

73. Well said

I AM SO 😡 ANGRY

[AllaN01Bear]

74. """" on edit: i have learned that bidens nomminee will be installed in the next congessional session

Last edited Tue May 3, 2022, 01:57 PM - Edit history (1)

was it majority opinion or did the lady who biden nominate go turncoat?

[Deuxcents]

83. The lady Biden nominated is now Justice Jackson who hasn't been sworn in yet

[mcar]

102. Surely you know her name - Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson

Surely you know that this leaked decision is 5-4. Surely you know that Justice Jackson hasn't taken her role yet. Surely you know that Justices Sotomayor, Kagan, and Breyer would not vote to overturn Roe.

I wonder what your point is.

[obamanut2012]

134. Seriously?

WTF

[Solly Mack]

75. Thank you.

I well remember about 15 years ago, there were people on this board saying (and of course it was at election time) to not push and leaving it (abortion) to the states would be a winning strategy.

A bunch of us tried to explain why that was a shitty idea.

But we were told we just wanted Democrats to lose.

No. We didn't want women to lose.

But that message was dismissed. (Will never happen, they said)

[MustLoveBeagles]

77. K&R

[Laura PourMeADrink]

79. You go girl !!!!!!! Love it

[tavernier]

85. You do realize that you guys are next, right?

Any man caught spilling his seed in the act of masturbation will be castrated.

[BadgerMom]

86. What she said!

[relayerbob]

89. I'll just be angry along with you

[Scrivener7]

161. Thank you.

[Starfury]

90. If this doesn't motivate everyone on the left to vote in 2022 & 2024, I don't know what will. n/t

[liberalmuse]

91. Are they going to overturn our right to vote next?

These fascists want to take away rights from anyone who isn’t a straight white man because having privilege for centuries isn’t enough. This won’t stand. Mansplainers can fuck right off.

[Haggis 4 Breakfast]

146. No, the next thing they are going to overturn is same sex marriage.

Alito has already signaled this.

Then they are going to go after contraception. ALL manner of contraception. Forget Griswold. It, too, will be overturned.

Next after that will be inter-racial marriage. Some nutbag running in MI is already screaming about it. No, it's got nothing to do with religious faith. It's just the cancer of blatant racism.

[yaesu]

94. Now is the time for solidarity, lets not let the fascists' divide & conquer so please easy on the

rhetoric. Fascists will use this, build on this report to make it their #1 goal to get their voters fired up. promise new legislation to ban all abortion nationwide. US freedom fighters need to fight back by backing all rights being slowly dismantled by the fascists.

[Scrivener7]

160. Reread the OP.

[nightwing1240]

103. This would be a direct assault of womens rights (overturning Roe V Wade)

Every woman has every right to be extremely upset with this news. As a grandfather with three granddaughters, I fear for their future as I do all women in this nation.

[MineralMan]

105. I'm Listening to Women's Voices on This.

I stand with them. Period.

[Scrivener7]

159. Thank you.

[Texin]

106. I feel the same way.

Males have had a pretty good run for past fifty years. They've been able take advantage [sic] of women's freedom from accidental pregnancies via Roe and the greater freedom that contraception in general has provided. Women are not going to be excited about recreational sex so much any longer. This backward decision benefits no one.

[867-5309.]

113. It's truly frightening to think of what could follow

This seems like taking a woman's personhood.

[obamanut2012]

114. AND QUIT POSTING "NOTALLMEN"

GOD.

[Scrivener7]

158. Can you believe that crap?

PS - I'm back in the thread!

[CrispyQ]

115. I know the anti-choice crowd thinks this would never happen, but,

if the state can take away our choice to have an abortion the state can take away our choice to have a baby, too.

Seven states have passed laws with full access to abortion.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/abortion-laws-by-state

AK - Alaska
CO - Colorado
NH - New Hampshire
NJ - New Jersey
NM - New Mexico
OR - Oregon
VT - Vermont

[obamanut2012]

119. That is interesting about Alaska

Makes me think Murkowski would vote with the Dems on any of this.

[wryter2000]

127. Is that where they've passed them recently?

What about CA, CT, and NY?

[obamanut2012]

135. They already have similar laws on the books

[bluescribbler]

123. Backing the fuck off.

At around the time Roe was decided, I said that men had no right to be a part of this issue. I still say that. I reserve the right, however, to be pissed at the people who made this decision possible. That includes the justices who voted in this manner, the Presidents who appointed them, and the Senators who voted to confirm them, with an extra-large heaping of scorn for #Moscow Mitch who engineered the confirmation of justices Gorsuch and Barrett.

[Scrivener7]

157. Thank you.

[Novara]

124. DAMN RIGHT

My body, my choice. I don't give a fuck that I am too old for this to affect me, IT AFFECTS WOMEN, and that is not acceptable. And I am FULL of RAGE.

I am hoping that once the sheer, white-hot rage of a thousand white-hot burning suns dissipates a little, we can formulate a plan of action. Maybe we need another Women's March, maybe we need to fight like hell for all Democratic challengers to republican Senators in the midterms so we can get some goddamned laws passed. Maybe we need to pressure Manchin and Sinema to abolish the filibuster or THEY WILL BE REPLACED.

I don't know yet. I am seething and can't think straight.

And the next woman who says, "Oh well, it doesn't affect me" will receive a throat punch.

[LizBeth]

130. Thank you. Hearing a man telling us repeatedly our issues are not the IMPORTANT issues

of the day and then sit here and now. You bet I remember being told to sit down and shut up. Not my turn.

[ananda]

132. I hear you!

I've been dealing with sexism at my bridge club,
and it's been intense.

I had to ditch two partners because of it.

And that's just over things like listening and
sharing conversation space.

This is far worse, but the whole white male
dominance, privilege thing needs to go now!!!

[LizBeth]

133. +1

[joshcryer]

136. I mean, there's one demographic...

...who made this all possible.

In 2016, the big takeaway was that 53 percent of white women voters cast their ballots in favor of Donald Trump, according to exit polls, helping cement his victory. But, in 2020, white women voters surpassed their 2016 levels of support as, according to exit polls, 55 percent of white women turned out to vote for the president who was recorded saying that men should “grab ‘em by the pussy,” who has referred to women as “horseface” and a “dog,” and who remains under intense scrutiny for the 19 sexual assault allegations levied against him. Maybe it’s time to start taking this massive failure to side with marginalized people as an indication of a widespread political orientation among white women, rather than as a shocking aberration.

https://truthout.org/articles/yes-55-percent-of-white-women-voted-for-trump-no-im-not-surprised/

Feel any which way you will about it.

[BlueTsunami2018]

140. I'm not telling anyone how to feel.

But I am placing blame early and often.

[Paladin]

142. Well said. Thank you. (nt)

[sheshe2]

144. I am with you.

[redstatebluegirl]

145. I have blocked most of the assholes on this site.

I could not stay here without that feature. Not all men who claim to be Democrats support women, something we all need to remember.

[anamnua]

149. So only women should have views on issues that exclusively affect women, and only men

should have views on issues that exclusively affect men. Interesting.

[iemanja]

150. No, your views are always more important

You must be sure to always dominate the conversation because we little women have no right to speak about our own rights. If men say we shouldn't "overreact," who are we to question our superiors?

Like everything else on the planet, this is all about men.

[Scrivener7]

156. What an unimaginative and dumb straw man that is. I'm sure you can do better. Give it a try.

[anamnua]

167. By the same logic,

if, as is unfortunately possible, the Ukraine war escalates and a male-only draft is brought in the collective sisterhood will have to hold their peace.

[Scrivener7]

170. Lol. I was wrong. You can't do better. Maybe it's because of that

reading comprehension thing.

[anamnua]

177. Some Orwellian word games

creeping in there. ‘Reading incomprehension’ = failure to see things the way you do

[Scrivener7]

178. Oh my God!

I bet you don't even see it, do you?

Welcome to ignore.

[iemanja]

151. The most disgusting thing I've seen today

is posters blaming women for losing their own rights. In particular, scolding ON THIS SITE, white women because we supposedly voted for Trump--all because they read a poll somewhere that said Trump got 2% more of the white female vote than Hillary did. And naturally white men love nothing more than to point to that in order to absolve their own sex of any responsibility. And it gives them the satisfaction of blaming women for this along with every other fucking thing on the planet.

[whathehell]

155. THANK You!

[BlackSkimmer]

164. Thank you for posting this!

I keep seeing that posted again and again. Made me wonder why.

But I think you just explained it to me!

Spot on.

[Scrivener7]

165. Those, the ones trying hard to grind some salt into this wound, are the ones who

really despise women.

I bet they don't know how much they are broadcasting it. And I bet some of them will totally deny it, even to themselves.

But, man, they're the ones who really hate us.

[BlackSkimmer]

175. Yes, and I'm glad you posted this thread.

There are some eye-opening responses.

[Scrivener7]

176. Aren't there?

And in the week since, I have found a lot of very interesting posts too.

The ones that say, "Well, we can get around this some other way."

I saw "make the man pay for the child" and "make the state pay the women through taxes to raise the child" and "we'll just nullify the juries when this stuff comes to trial."

The cluelessness of these "solutions," which are heartbreakingly commonly suggested, and which are perfectly sanguine about treating women like appliances - and which simply don't address the issue! - show us just how little some people have actually thought about what this means.

Not their monkey, not really their problem.

[Schmice3]

152. [Applause]!!!!!

[pfitz59]

168. Way to make allies

I have sisters, daughters and my wife. My view matters. I worry at the erosion of their rights. Be mad at whoever you want, but don't be mad at the men on DU. We are on your side.

[obamanut2012]

169. Way to prove the OP's point

Good job!

So, as per your own words, we can only make men as allies if we are polite, nice women who watch our tone and words.

You just saud that.

THANKS&%

[Novara]

171. Right. Fuck that

[obamanut2012]

173. OMG this was the first thing I saw online over my first cuppa this morning

Talk about seeing red.

[Scrivener7]

172. "We will be your allies only if you express your anger the way we want you to show your anger."

Be an ally in this or don't. That's your moral decision.

It has nothing to do with how I express my anger at men telling me how to feel when I am made into chattel, when they have no idea what that feels like. Which is what you are doing.

By the way, I guarantee that 95% of the men doing that are white. Meaning, men who have NEVER had a right taken away.

[MrsCoffee]

174. Jesus fucking Christ.

Fuck DU today.

[niyad]

179. what part of "men on DU ***telling*** us , did you not understand? We all know

that there are many very supportive men on DU. and then there are others.