Will a woman having an ectopic pregnancy in the US have to die ??

[Peacetrain]

Since there is no provision for the health of women... in the US over 100,000 pregnancies a year are ectopic.. and it is the leading cause of maternal death.. years ago we almost lost a dear friend to ectopic pregnancy and only through medical intervention was her life saved. There is no running for the nearest state that can provide an abortion.. it was a matter of hours for her.. I

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/ectopic-pregnancy/symptoms-causes/syc-20372088

[Samrob]

1. Seems like it. Unless the medical profession can rename and recodify the condition. nt

[Peacetrain]

3. It was that close, just hours if they not intervened.. she would have been dead

Not a thought for women... I was listening to MJ this morning also, and caught the statistic of 4000 women in emergency rooms per week in Chicago pre Roe for botched abortions.. Its crazy what is not completely thought out here..

[Walleye]

2. Do you think guys like Governor Abbott or DeSantis care if a woman dies?

What pisses me off is, all of a sudden men are experts on this, when usually you just mention menstruation and they run for the hills

[Peacetrain]

4. I am floored .. just floored

[atreides1]

24. What pisses me off

Is that people keep forgetting that it's other women who also support this!

Any woman who has spoken up against this right are just as bad if not worse then DeSantis or Abbott...it's time to bring those bottom feeders out in the open light...

[Walleye]

25. Yes I can't begin to understand the women on that side

[Laffy Kat]

5. Seems like it could come to that.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/29/ohio-extreme-abortion-bill-reimplant-ectopic-pregnancy

[Peacetrain]

6. Oh Lord... I am just in tears right now.. we will lose women.. girls..

to politics

[Laffy Kat]

36. Yes, back to the Dark Ages.

And just like before, it will be poor women and girls who will be maimed or killed. This is a nightmare.

I couldn't sleep either. I'm about to try again.

Hugs to you. We are in this together.

[speak easy]

43. No.

The most restrictive 'trigger' anti-abortion legislation have life of the mother / medical emergencies exceptions.

[DemocraticPatriot]

47. Some do, and some do not.

[speak easy]

49. Which ones do not?

[DemocraticPatriot]

55. I may be thinking of bills which are still in the legislative process across various states,

rather than laws which have already been passed. I can't recall which specific states, but over and over I have read about bills being legislated currently to restrict abortion which make no exceptions for rape, incest or the life of the mother.

These used to be common exception supported by even Republicans, but they have become more and more extreme.

[Farmer-Rick]

51. Well, sort of

If it will kill the mother AND you can get a doctor to say that. But here's the thing. Back before Roe v Wade, you couldn't find doctors to put their careers on the line and make that determination.

So, do you have to have 100% certainty or 98% or 60% or 49% that the mother or fetus is going to die? And if you make the wrong call, frequently malpractice insurance wouldn't cover the doctor for abortions even medically necessary ones.

Now, rich people just paid doctors under the table or flew off to Europe to get their much needed abortions. But it was a huge struggle to get a doctor to admit you needed an abortion to save your life if you were middle class. So much so that a lot of women never got their medically necessary abortion because the pregnancy advanced too quickly and oops they died.

Then there are the horror stories of women who had to carry their dead fetuses to birth.... doctors and mother knowing the fetus had died.... because no doctor would admit 100% that the fetus was dead.

Then there are absolutely no exceptions for rape or incest. And many a woman killed herself in those cases. But could you get a doctor to go on record and say the woman was 100% going to kill herself over the horror of carrying their rapist's baby? Not if you were Middle Class.

So maybe the law has some weasel words about death of the mother but in practice no one really cared.

[speak easy]

59. An ectopic pregnancy will kill the mother if untreated - that's certain.

That's all I was replying about.

Rape and Incest ? Girls/Women have to step forward and prove that ? No way - women must have control over their bodies without interference. there are no alternatives at all .

[Farmer-Rick]

77. Yeah, sure

I was agreeing with you actually.

[speak easy]

79. Prove that you were raped or a victim of incest?

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What sort of exception is that? I am agreeing with you too.

[Farmer-Rick]

80. Yeah, I kind of worded it badly

But, I understand what you mean.

[lastlib]

69. Does a republikan care?

Only if she's a megadonor to them.....

[Lovie777]

7. In some of the red states . . ..

a women will die in excruciating pain from "ectopic pregnancy" and probably get blamed for the death of the fetus.

[vlyons]

8. Not only will there be dead women

there will also be dead newborns, smothered and thrown in the trash, buried in the garden or woods, abandoned in the back pews of churches.

[mopinko]

57. can you just imagine the tales that will spring up around that?

what modern day fairy stories are we about to hear?

[multigraincracker]

9. Next up will be a law to jail

those that have a miscarriage. It's always the girls fault. They are evil bastards.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

19. Lawmakers will say...

That miscarriages are "intent to having an abortion." Thus there will be criminal charges against women who suffer miscarriages despite the evidence that says otherwise. Women miscarry every day.

[jmowreader]

81. That's how they did it in Romania

Under Ceaucescu every pregnancy that didn’t end in a live birth was an illegal abortion.

[bucolic_frolic]

10. Something for Congress to revisit

May give Democrats an opening on the whole issue. Hard to explain a death sentence when a medical procedure can save lives.

[HAB911]

11. In some states

[Rhiannon12866]

12. Before the last national election, I read an article about a candidate explaining why he was pro-choice

I don't remember the name of the candidate, and I don't think he even mentioned his party - but he shared a devastating personal experience. He said that years before his wife was pregnant with a much-wanted child. But something went wrong and the fetus was no longer viable. What needed to happen was that the fetus had to be removed - since his wife's life was at stake. But no doctor or hospital would agree to the procedure since it was considered an abortion - which was illegal. Even though his wife would certainly die unless the procedure was done ASAP. Time went on and she became deathly ill - and it wasn't until the last minute that they finally found someone they knew to agree to the procedure - it was a very close call.

And if this becomes law in this country, a lot more women could find themselves in this terrible position. How many women will die because saving the mother's life has become illegal??

[ProudMNDemocrat]

21. Less voters over time. That is how Republicans view women.

Especially if they do not vote for them.

[Pinback]

28. Sen. Gary Peters (D-MI)

Piece in Elle magazine:
https://www.elle.com/culture/career-politics/a34339956/senator-gary-peters-abortion/

Very moving, gut-wrenching story. If they hadn't had a friend in hospital administration, his wife almost certainly would have died, or at the very least lost her uterus.

Peters, who comes across as a low-key midwestern dad (which he is), has been a strong champion for women's rights for many years.

[Rhiannon12866]

72. Thank you so much!

I could not remember where I read this or who was the author, but obviously his personal story was affecting enough that it stuck with me. Thanks so much for letting me know who it was and for the link!

[Pinback]

74. You're welcome.

His & his wife’s story is harrowing (though fortunately with a positive outcome — finally). Every “pro-life” American needs to hear this story and explain why they want to condemn women like this to death.

[Rhiannon12866]

75. It's extremely important and what this decision is all about

These decisions are very personal and devastating - that's what needs to be brought to light - and lives can hang in the balance which is what needs to be emphasized, if these decision makers care.

[Farmer-Rick]

56. Yeah, that's how it was before Roe

Yeah, they wrote weasel words about life of the mother into forced birth laws but they amounted to nothing.

Because doctors refused to go on record saying the woman would die without an abortion. And I think there was something about malpractice insurance not covering medically necessary abortions. Not sure about that but I remember that's how some doctors excused the death of the mothers.

Yeah, it was a horror show for middle class and poor women back then. It will be again.

Can you imagine carrying your rapist fetus to term? A lot of women killed themselves over things like that. I think there even was a serial rapist who brutalized his victims horribly. When they finally caught him he said he was trying to have a baby from his victims. Because you know, they were forced to carry his spawn.

A horror show is coming.

[Rhiannon12866]

73. Well said and I couldn't agree more

This is a return to a national nightmare and women will suffer and die - again.

[Iris]

13. Yes, some will. Time will not be on their side. Also watch for

women being forced to carry deceased fetuses to term and delivering a stillborn child.

[Karma13612]

16. And since this causes infection to the mother, the mother

Won’t survive. Peritonitis, sepsis, very gruesome stuff.

I’m absolutely disgusted and gutted by this.

[Maraya1969]

23. My mother told me a friend of hers had to do that. It sounds so barbaric and

dangerous to the woman!

[BonnieJW]

38. That happened to my mother in law

Baby died in 8th month. Had to carry a dead baby for 6 weeks

[niyad]

39. Many years ago, in CA, a friend was pregnant. Close to her duue date, it was

discovered that there was no fetal heartbeat. She was forced to go through 36 hours of agonizing labor to deliver what they already knew was a dead fetus. She was never quite the same after that. That medical staff was very lucky that I was not there with her.

[NowISeetheLight]

14. Manslaughter

As far as I’m concerned if someone else causes the death of another it’s manslaughter. These politicians may have civil protections from lawsuits while in office but they sure don’t have criminal protections.

[uponit7771]

52. +1,

[867-5309.]

15. It will depend on each state's law, I suppose

and hopefully there's at least a provision for the health of the mother.

[niyad]

40. Have you read the most-recently passed laws?

[Farmer-Rick]

58. Those provisions are purposely vague

And very, very restrictive. So much so that it was rare to find doctors to agree to abortions even with clear evidence that the woman was going to die. Because it would hurt the doctors careers.

So, don't count on any laws to protect women from a fetus killing her. They never worked before Roe.

[avebury]

17. I would like Prosecutor to have the guts to prosecute Legislators

who voted on bills like that for negligent homicide start to die as a result of these bills. Also practicing medicine without a license.

[Solly Mack]

18. Have to? No. But they will because that's the choice the anti-women crowd has made.

They don't care if women die.

Women don't get a choice but everybody else is getting the choice to murder us.

Because denying a woman with an ectopic pregnancy an abortion is pre-meditated murder.

[Mister Ed]

20. My beloved friend Stacey died in agonizing pain from an ectopic pregnancy.

A few years later, my friend Louise - the wife of my best friend - was spared the same fate through surgical intervention.

The right-wing Taliban would sentence Louise to suffer and die the way Stacey did.

[Peacetrain]

29. I am so so sorry.. I am so stunned by all of this

I just can't answer everyone's posts.. It starts the tears up.. but I am so sorry for the loss of Stacey I had to respond.. I know how my friend suffered and she also got the medical intervention that saved her life..and if Minnesota had the no abortion status at that time, she would not have been able to get to another state that had the procedures to save her life.. just chilling to think about this .. and I looked up the numbers this morning.. 100,000 in the US alone..

[Demovictory9]

22. Even for the new laws that allow for health of women, they are vaguely written. Doctor risks

jail or losing license, so many women will die

[IronLionZion]

26. Can Congress pass a law protecting women in these situations?

I feel like we should have enough votes to get that passed.

[hedda_foil]

63. Congress can pass a law making abortion legal again.

[Vinca]

27. An ectopic pregnancy is a death sentence and the fools deciding what women should do with

their own bodies don't even understand what it is. If "all life is precious" as they so often tell us, why kill two at the same time? Other women who learn they are carrying nonviable fetuses will be forced to be human coffins until their 9 month penalty is up. Fuck these no nothing busybodies who insist on policing uteri.

[Phoenix61]

30. That'a highly unlikely. The goal is births and an ectopic

pregnancy will never end in a birth.

[Scrivener7]

37. Really? You find it unlikely? Here's from last month.

https://www.insider.com/missouri-seeks-to-ban-abortion-for-ectopic-pregnancies-new-bill-2022-3

Missouri Rep. Brian Seitz proposed a bill to severely restrict abortion access.

The bill would ban abortion after 10 weeks and make it a crime to terminate ectopic pregnancies.

People need to get a grip on what the ACTUAL goal is here. When they tell you who they are, believe them.

[Phoenix61]

42. That's not what it says. The problem is it is very poorly

written.
https://www.columbiamissourian.com/news/state_news/bill-about-supplying-abortion-medications-misconstrued/article_502ea916-a574-11ec-ba3f-5ba8d47f8bac.html

[Scrivener7]

46. Oh, sure. Let's take a crap-written bill, one that in reality prohibits access to

abortion for an ectopic pregnancy, and take the writer's word for the notion that he didn't really mean that.

And what he "really" meant was just to "clean things up" so that abortion was even more difficult to access in a state that had already taken away a woman's right to healthcare.

Here's another fun one from 2019 on this "unlikely" eventuality:

https://www.thecut.com › 2019 › 12 › ectopic-pregnancies-have-nothing-to-do-with-abortion.html
New Law Would Force Abortion Doctors to Do the Impossible
A 700-page anti-abortion bill proposed by Ohio state legislators includes a strange side provision that would require doctors to "reimplant an ectopic pregnancy" into a woman's uterus or face charges of "abortion murder.". But ectopic pregnancy is the term for a pregnancy that grows outside the uterus and thus will never produce a baby

I'm sure you will come back with a "it'll never happen" story, but stop and think for a moment, and try to think as if you had a uterus. THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE LAWS ABOUT THIS. Why are the words "ectopic pregnancy" even in lawmakers mouths? Where the fuck do they get off even talking about this? If you had a growth in a testicle that was going to inevitably kill you, would you be sanguine if moronic lawmakers were proposing laws that would prohibit treatment?

[Phoenix61]

60. Wow! You have no idea if I have a uterus or not.

I don’t have discussions with folks who resort to insults.

[Scrivener7]

61. Too freaking funny. There is not a thing in that post that could remotely be construed as

an insult. But you seem to have honed in on the statement "try and think as if you had a uterus." And you seem to think that is an insult to you.

Can't make this shit up.

[Evolve Dammit]

31. Pro-life my as_. This is about power and control.

[sinkingfeeling]

32. Yes, because the life of a woman is worth less than that of a

clump.of cells to the RW 'religious'.

[Bettie]

33. We're just women

so, they don't care. Remember, their standard is "when the Constitution was written"...so, we really don't have any rights according to the right wing clowns on the court.

On another note, Clarence Thomas might be surprised at how few rights his co-workers think HE should have.

[Texin]

34. In simple response to your query, the answer now is YES. Many, many women and girls will die now.

[Scrivener7]

35. Yes. It is specifically and intentionally written INTO some laws. Sit with that for a moment.

If you have the misfortune to have that medical condition, though it can easily be remedied, you MUST die.

Let it instruct all us women on what our status is in this "home of the free."

We ain't.

[speak easy]

41. No.

The most restrictive 'trigger' anti-abortion legislation have life of the mother / medical emergencies exceptions.

[ECL213]

44. All you women are just going to have to accept the fact that you are merely...

life support systems for a uterus. So sayeth the Lord.

[Boomerproud]

62. Yes, Ken Blackwell, ex mayor of Cincinnati said exactly that.

So very sad, but it's God's Will.

[Tree Lady]

45. My daughter had that type of pregnancy

And almost died from it years ago, the doctors saved her life by getting the fetus out. She didn't even know she was pregnant just got real sick and passed out.

She lives in CA so would have been taken care of.

I can't believe they won't have exception for this.

[Ligyron]

48. Oh, absolutely.

If she lived but the zygote dies, she must be executed.

[world wide wally]

50. Welcome to Afghanistan

[greymattermom]

53. So what about the reservations?

They allow gambling and many have hotels already. Can abortions be done there?

[Dr. T]

54. For years, I've been saying that no

man has any say in this. As a man, I'm entitled to an opinion. But men should leave the legislating to the people most affected by pregnancy and that would be women. I've also said that if men could get pregnant, there would be an abortion clinic on every street corner. I truly do believe that. I'm guessing that The Former Guy has an abortion doctor on his quick response staff.

[JustAnotherGen]

64. Yes - BTDT

For insurance code husband had to sign off on abortion.

[Celerity]

65. wtf! That is just madness.

[JustAnotherGen]

66. Was going in for a salpingectomy

After a prior miscarriage - and in that time we had an oops.

I was only 3 weeks in and the pee test at the surgery center didn't show it.

Imagine my poor Giovanni having to tell me that when I came out of it.

There are only two men I have ever trusted my life with - My dad and my husband. Liberal Stalwarts both - but I always knew my dad would pick me - and so did my husband.

Alito? Not so much - he's against us.

[renate]

67. How long ago was that?

Even after Roe v Wade, you had to get permission? That is horrifying.

At least your husband was willing. I'm just sick thinking of all the women who will be coerced into pregnancies (or just have an unplanned pregnancy with someone they don't want to stay with) and will be trapped forever in a relationship with someone they don't love or trust--the alternative, for the ones able to get away, being raising an unwanted child on their own. Marital rape will become a foolproof weapon for men to use to control women once abortion isn't even a remote option.

It's so easy for people who are financially or emotionally able to raise children to make life-altering decisions for people whose lives will be kneecapped by having an unplanned or unwanted pregnancy. I cannot believe how quickly this country has spiraled into dystopia.

[JustAnotherGen]

68. Not permission -

2013 - I have a living will since about 2 months after I got married in 2012.

It wasn't his 'permission' - it was him having to sign off on that by my Gynecologist. I'm sure somewhere he has the medical bill - he saves everything. It clearly references abortion as a line item. He was told emergency abortion.

It's funny - he waited to become a citizen until Biden was in office. Granted we live in NJ - but at least we have one more white male (from Italy) on our side.

His entire focus on this has been very Calabrese centric - the wife is everything. Don't put words in a woman's marriage. What happens between spouses isn't some Senator for life's business.

It was a life saving decision - what kind of monster would a woman be married to that would force her into her fallopian tube bursting? Like - I think Alito, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, Roberts, and Thomas are sick sob's who would punish their wives for a bad attachment. Like I'm trying to get that to sink in.

[Irish_Dem]

70. The GOP deliberately let a million people die of covid.

Why would a hundred thousand women be a problem?

[spinbaby]

71. There are genetic defects dangerous to the mother

I know a woman whose baby had triploidy—three sets of chromosomes instead of two. This defect is considered to be incompatible with life and often causes dangerous toxemia in the mother. She had to wait for the fetus to die before insurance would pay for the d&e.

[Skittles]

76. doesn't that violate DO NO HARM

letting a woman DIE?

[GoCubsGo]

78. Nope. Multiple women will die.

They. Do. Not. Care. Never did.