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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat's most upsetting to me about overturning Roe v Wade is that white women did this.
In 2016, 47% of white women voted for that orange asshole and now we have the full horror visited upon us. Thanks for NOTHING. I hope they're happy.
I'm old enough to sort of remember the days before Roe v Wade and we're about to re-enter a very dark chapter. Young women have no idea. Well, they're about to find out now. What a goddamned tragedy.
I wonder who's next.
Irish_Dem
(82,423 posts)POC and LGBT.
Yes young people have no idea how their lives will change dramatically.
Cosmocat
(15,477 posts)Its going to get ugly...
beaglelover
(4,501 posts)Looking at you, my Mother and 2 sisters who had abortions and voted for tRump.
Ilsa
(64,585 posts)forced abortions on those women.
KarenS
(5,050 posts)what-the-fuck-ever.
Samrob
(4,298 posts)Check out some of the historical photos of lynchings and desegregation protests.
notinkansas
(1,325 posts)Good question. This will not likely be the end of judicial malfeasance.
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)They have no idea what the reality of the situation is.
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msongs
(74,232 posts)spooky3
(38,891 posts)Exit poll self reports, and I believe thats only white women without a college degree.
A follow up study by Pew, using verified vote data, showed that fewer than half of white women voted for Trump in 2016.
If we want to blame his election on any one demographic group, the statistics show that white MEN voted most strongly for him in 2016.
I really wish this meme would die out.
catbyte
(39,322 posts)Here in Michigan, white women without a college degree went for that thing by a margin of 2-1 which was more than enough to take Michigan. Clinton lost by 10.3K votes.
spooky3
(38,891 posts)snowybirdie
(6,753 posts)Tired of some blaming white women. Well I and most of my white women friends all voted for Hillary. Try harder to place blame please. Maybe a lot of white men who failed to go to the polls and vote!
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)"Well I and most of my white women friends all voted for Hillary" You and most of your friends is NOT a representation of the whole.
RobinA
(10,478 posts)And neither are the white women who voted for Repubs. There is no "white women" monolith.
Grasswire2
(13,849 posts)I'd like to share it every time someone on twitter says white women elected Trump.
muriel_volestrangler
(106,618 posts)White women: 45% Clinton, 47% Trump.
maxsolomon
(39,158 posts)Last edited Tue May 3, 2022, 07:03 PM - Edit history (1)
8% for ?
muriel_volestrangler
(106,618 posts)validation was done and the sample was limited to those for whom a turnout record could be
located, 48% reported voting for Hillary Clinton and 45% for Donald Trump; by comparison the
official national vote tally was 48% for Clinton, 46% for Trump.
Cosmocat
(15,477 posts)Nm
Cosmocat
(15,477 posts)Nm
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)Because you know, "I just wasn't feeling it" or "she was mean to my candidate and I think he should have been nominated." Or some such nonsense.
RobinA
(10,478 posts)"She didn't reach out to us."
Grasswire2
(13,849 posts)I wish we had an economic breakdown of the women -- that would be interesting, too.
muriel_volestrangler
(106,618 posts)but not economic (economic is done by household, not individual)
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2018/08/8-9-2018-Validated-voters-release-with-10-2-19-and-10-17-18-corrections.pdf
Age 18-49 white women: 55% Clinton, 33% Trump
Age 50+: 39% Clinton, 56% Trump
White College grad+ women: 61% Clinton, 35% Trump
White Non-college grad women: 33% Clinton, 56% Trump
FWIW, by family income (ie men or women reporting):
White $75k+: 39% Clinton, 55% Trump
White $30k-$75k: 37% Clinton, 58% Trump
White less than $30k: 44% Clinton, 43% Trump
BradAllison
(1,879 posts)unblock
(56,265 posts)for creating an idiotic electoral college system designed largely to protect slavery from the popular vote.
it's the fault of hate radio and foxnews and the republican party and the federalist society.
it's the fault of the kochs and other billionaires.
and many more.
we're not helping much by singling out one particular demographic and blaming them.
LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)They have give credence to lies and bullshit for ratings.
pwb
(12,803 posts).
unblock
(56,265 posts)My list wasn't close to being exhaustive.
It's the fault of those who are lead by their nose and don't think for themselves. We all know about the electoral college and how it works. It's civics 101. Or we SHOULD know. If we don't, it's no ones fault but our own, the citizens of the US. The republicans are a LOT of things, but they don't have us all in chains controlling what we think or what information we seek. YET. Unless we allow it. This fiasco belongs squarely in the laps of the American citizen. It's been no secret the R's ultimate goal was to overturn Roe, they have been harping about it for decades. It's been no secret they intended to control the SC, they've been harping about it for decades. Well, here we are. They played the long game and they won. It was ignored and now everyone is hair on fire. Should come as NO surprise to ANYONE. The warnings were there and in your face. And clearly ignored.
radicalleft
(579 posts)"They played the long game and they won."
They cheated...at almost every turn, but you're right, they have always been very vocal about what they wanted.
electron_blue
(3,627 posts)The 53-55% number that is widely circulated is only the preliminary results. The final percentage was closer to 47%. YEs, still way too many white women voting for Trump but it wasn't the majority and it doesn't help matter to make it look bigger than it was. here's one reference, but there are others.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/did-white-women-vote-for-trump-no.html
catbyte
(39,322 posts)spooky3
(38,891 posts)Kaleva
(40,437 posts)"According to a later analysis that experts consider more reliable, a study published in August by the Pew Research Center, the percentage of white women who voted for Trump was actually 47%, compared to 45% for Clinton. "
https://time.com/5422644/trump-white-women-2016/
iemanja
(57,780 posts)And there is no reason to believe that poll is any more accurate than the rest of the polls in 2016. But hey, if it absolves white men (who voted OVERWHELMINGLY for Trump) of responsibility, point the figure at white women. As long as white men maintain their god given superiority.
Men blaming women for the loss of their own rights is about the most disgusting thing I have seen on this site.
Kaleva
(40,437 posts)And I posted a link to a study and not a poll.
It's not a surprise that a majority of white males voted for TFG. It is disconcerting that a plurality of white females would vote for TFG given what was at stake for all women.
iemanja
(57,780 posts)Obviously. There is no other basis for them to make those claims. It's still a poll, but it serves the purpose of kicking women when they are at their lowest.
Meowmee
(9,212 posts)Tg I am long past worrying about it. Anyone who didn't vote or didn't vote hrc did this a long with a host of others. They also murdered my father and millions more.
redstatebluegirl
(12,858 posts)nomination. I blame them as much for this as the women who voted for dumb dumb.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)Meowmee
(9,212 posts)Because they should have known better, the others were predictable to vote for a fascist.
milestogo
(23,207 posts)LiberatedUSA
(1,666 posts)keep_left
(3,225 posts)...along with the Church Militant members, I guess, but they don't amount to much outside of Ferndale, MI. The reality is that there are a lot of different kinds of "Catholics". They are not monolithic. Still, your point is well taken--the "progressive" or "left" Catholics, whatever you want to call them--have to do a better job of speaking up. The reactionaries in the Church have not seen any pushback for decades.
milestogo
(23,207 posts)Mariana
(15,630 posts)BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)maxrandb
(17,502 posts)iemanja
(57,780 posts)Those early statistics are estimates, and always wrong.
https://time.com/5422644/trump-white-women-2016/
But keep it up. Men bear no responsibility for electing Trump despite the fact they overwhelmingly voted for him. Like everything else in the world, this is all women's fault. Men love nothing more than to blame women.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)And clearly there are some women who like to play the victim and blame everyone but WOMEN. Women out number men in this country. Get over your blaming men for EVERYTHING. Doing that is EXACTLY why me too died a swift silent death.
We just had our equal rights stripped away. Did you miss that part?
Demsrule86
(71,555 posts)iemanja
(57,780 posts)We're at fault if we get pregnant. We're at fault if we get an abortion. And now we are supposedly responsible for stripping away our own rights. This story is as old as Adam and Eve, and I'm fucking sick of it.
Put the blame where it belongs: On Republican misogynists.
People love nothing more than to scapegoat women.
There isn't a white woman on this site who voted for Trump. Just what we need today is someone shitting all over us. It's not bad enough that our equal rights are about to be stripped away. You have to blame women. Never mind that an overwhelming majority of white men voted for Trump. It's all women's fault, as usual.
XanaDUer2
(15,772 posts)Ligyron
(8,009 posts)Housewives and some others who happily settle for being 2nd in all things.
Much like folks who vote Republican when they actually suffer from Repug policies and would benefit greatly from Democratic policy instead.
Yeah I dont get it either.
iemanja
(57,780 posts)and women can indeed be misogynists. But the OP didn't choose to post on a Republican site. She chose to vent her anger at white women here.
ChazII
(6,448 posts)MaryMagdaline
(7,968 posts)anymore. It was all about them. Reasons their abortions were acceptable: rape, defective fetus, life disruption, finances. Reasons why they dont give a F now? No chance of pregnancy.
milestogo
(23,207 posts)but I feel the younger generation of women really needs to get out there and fight for womens' rights like my generation did.
electric_blue68
(27,369 posts)MaryMagdaline
(7,968 posts)RobinA
(10,478 posts)Me and my post-menopausal friends have pretty much the same stance we all always did and we vote accordingly.
obamanut2012
(29,516 posts)delisen
(7,423 posts)Men are in control of our country and have been since the beginning. Patriarchy knows how to divide and conquer.
Where did the male vote go in 2016 and 2020. in what great numbers did they vote for Clinton and for Biden?
What about the so called progressive men and women who who openly opposed the woman who was proud to say her aim in presidential politics was equality for women and girls, who was not ashamed to say that womens rights on human rights.
You can claim that women did not work hard enough or that we did not fully recognize the enemies arrayed against us but to butto blame us or erase our massive voting can only help the ongoing oppression of patriarchal governance.
Cosmocat
(15,477 posts)The balance of power to Rs.
Not "blaming" women.
It's a simple statement of fact.
delisen
(7,423 posts)If a certain additional percentage of women who voted for Trump voted for Clinton instead, she would have become president.
If a certain additional percentage of men who voted for Trump voted for Clinton instead, she would have become president
If a certain number of other group-identified voters had voted for Clinton whether Latino or others had voted for Clinton
.
How about Jill Stein voters? How about disaffected non-voters?
Calling out white woman and ignoring the responsibility of male voter is totally sexist. Men for example gat a pass for voting for Trump.
I and my daughters do not have equal rights. Men are the deciding factor in that.
Blaming woman for male attacks upon our human rights is the markopeople afraid to go against patriarchal social structure.
Cosmocat
(15,477 posts)Saying that white women are the deciding factor in the Rs current surge again is a simple statement of fact.
White men have always been the core of their base. The recent development that has led to their ability to be in the position to make a major push is an increase in support from white women.
It isn't blaming "women," it isnt excusing men or whatever you want to try to take offense to. It's recognizing the current dynamic.
If it makes you feel any better black women remain the most common sense voting block, btw. You can discern the most problematic variable from here ...
delisen
(7,423 posts)It does not matter whether white men have always been the core of their base. It does not matter if white men have a history of voting overwhelmingly for purple cobra. When one excuses white men from voting in a manner one considers enlightened and accuses a group of women or blame them as being a deciding factor , that is sexism.
People often identify with power . We live in a powerful patriarchy built upon false premises of tin ate inequality. Millions of men have rejected those false premises, if not too many more followed their lead we will be on equalitys doorstep. Fighting inequality by claiming a group of women are to blame while giving men just maintains the patriarchy that is crushing us.
I would take too much time here to go into the role of the subset of men and women who voted for Putins candidate, Jill Stein and were a factor in critical states ( sadly these were often people who were well educated and surely should have known better).
Black women have been outstanding leaders in the fight for equality. Black women are a small percentage of the voting age population and therefore we need the votes of others to achieve equality
Those who verbally claim to be pro-equality but work to maintain patriarchy know this. ..and we all know that unequal societies such as patriarchies are able to maintain themselves through the technique of divide and conquer..
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)Why "Me Too" was just a flash in the pan and fizzled rapidly?
iemanja
(57,780 posts)Voter turnout has been the factor. Independent voters have been the factor. Russian interference was a factor. James Comey was a factor. But point to none of that. Blame women, which is exactly what that argument does. It's blaming us just when our rights are being stripped away. And, of course, men never bear responsibility for their own votes. The fact they ALWAYS vote fascist isn't their fault; it's women's.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)anything. Men are in control because women allow it. It's just that simple. Women outnumber men in the population. They have the power of numbers, so do tell, why don't they use it? And for the record, I am a woman.
Emile
(43,306 posts)iemanja
(57,780 posts)about the glee with which men love to blame women for their own subjugation. So much for being an ally.
OP is a female.
iemanja
(57,780 posts)Emile
(43,306 posts)the opposite sex?
This is a post where you were enthusiastic with applause over blaming women for our own subjugation.
Emile
(43,306 posts)and that in your judgemental eyes makes me somehow against women. This is ridiculous!
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)of why the Me Too movement failed miserably.
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iemanja
(57,780 posts)I have the impression that you carry a lot of resentment about Me Too. That doesn't mean it failed. And yet here you are, claiming women made it fail. Why? Because they asks for rapists and harassers to be held accountable?
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)And sadly, we both know women can be their own worst enemies.
I know it. Im a woman, and Ive seen it all my life.
Emile
(43,306 posts)someone was not blaming Bernie and not trying to divide the party. That don't make me sexist.
Emile
(43,306 posts)I was fighting for women's rights back in the 70s and 80's as a chief steward in AFLCIO Local 1470. We fought and won equal pay for women in our workplace. The company didn't think women could work in certain departments because of the physical labor. We fought and won that one in arbitration. I'm am far from perfect, but the last thing I am is a sexist pig and for anyone to even pretend that's what I am, when in fact I'm not, is hurtful.
iemanja
(57,780 posts)I didn't.
Emile
(43,306 posts)I was made to feel like I was though and that's hurtful.
leftyladyfrommo
(20,029 posts)got pregnant and still got abortions. People just went to Oregon or Mexico. Abortions were not terribly expensive.
My experience has been that people just find ways to get around stupid laws.
Vinca
(54,352 posts)Mitch McConnell blocking a SCOTUS nominee by Obama. Another problem no one talks about is RBG in failing health and hanging on until it was too late to replace her with another sane person. I think the biggest factor is people not taking the threat seriously. They can't seem to take their eyes off their cell phones long enough to vote for the candidate who might actually help them. Or they insist on a candidate they agree with 100% but cannot possibly win the general election. It seems we're a very shallow society and being a loudmouth, grifting, reality show star ends up counting for more than a candidate like Hillary Clinton who would have changed the course of history for the better.
Ms. Toad
(38,825 posts)Not to mention that Trump garnered 46.1% of the vote - and the 47% who voted for Trump is an estimate. So it looks to me like white women voted for Trump in just about the same as the rest of the country.
Is it too many? Absolutely! Even one vote for Trump is too many.
But stop blaming a group (1) from which a majority voted against Trump and (2) voted pretty much the sane way the rest of the country did.
iemanja
(57,780 posts)Are you alleging we all did? Did 47% of us do so? Do you think some did? Can you provide names? If not, why have you chosen to unload on us, at this time when we have learned our rights are being stripped away?
Your entire assumption is based on exit polls, which you first misrepresented badly in order to vent your anger. The pre-election polls were badly wrong for the 2016 election. Why do you assume the exit polls are correct? And why is it so important for you to bash white women on DU, who did not vote for Trump?
I would appreciate a response to this or my other post. So far you're interacted with the slaps on the black you've gotten from men. Why is that? Why are intent on absolving men while dumping your anger on women who voted for Clinton?
You could have posted this on a discussion board for Republicans, but you choose to admonish white women Democrats. Why exactly is that?
I would submit there is something disturbing about blaming women for our own subjugation. We are women after all, even when we are white. We are about to have our reproductive rights stripped away, along with yours: not 55% of us, not 47% of us, but all of us.
Ace Rothstein
(3,378 posts)yardwork
(69,680 posts)I don't understand this OP.
catbyte
(39,322 posts)abortion rights while 47% of women voted for the creep who promised to eliminate those rights.
yardwork
(69,680 posts)Women, as a group, voted against Trump. Even a majority of white women voted against Trump.
Emile
(43,306 posts)published in August by the Pew Research Center, the percentage of white women who voted for Trump was actually 47%, compared to 45% for Clinton. Thats still a plurality, and still makes white women more Trump-positive than the overall electorate, which supported Clinton by a 48%-46% margin.
https://time.com/5422644/trump-white-women-2016/
yardwork
(69,680 posts)No question, it was the support of white people that elected Trump. But why single out white WOMEN when a much greater percent of white MEN supported Trump?
The OP makes no sense to me.
Emile
(43,306 posts)The OP is correct!
iemanja
(57,780 posts)Yet the overturning of Roe is the fault of white women, not men. That's rich. And not just white women. White women on this site, women who voted for Clinton.
Emile
(43,306 posts)white men voted in the plurality for him and I totally agree. The plurality of white women did too and I think that's what upsets the OP?
Of white men and 52% of all men. That according to the same PEW survey that says 47% of white women voted for Trump. That is not a plurality, and you know it. White men always vote for Republicans in LARGE majorities. In fact, Republicans couldn't stand a chance electorally if not for men. I'm not talking about the OP. She has chosen not to answer me directly. I'm talking to you, and here you are misrepresenting the numbers of white men who voted for Trump.
Emile
(43,306 posts)OP is at white women. I never did misrepresent the numbers of white men and I don't know why you think that. I don't know why this thread has you so upset.
iemanja
(57,780 posts)Last edited Wed May 4, 2022, 08:51 PM - Edit history (1)
That is blatantly wrong. 62% is a considerable majority. You also claimed that white women supported Trump in numbers greater than the overall electorate, which you said voted 48% for Trump. That's one point more than the 47% of white women that Pew says voted for Trump. That's 1 point less than the overall electorate, not more.
Additionally, the Pew study is based on exit poll data. The polls prior to the election were wildly off. Why is everyone assuming that exit polls were more accurate?
What I don't like is that some people are taking this as an opportunity to chastise white women on DU, who supported Clinton--probably a majority of us supported Clinton in the primary as well. Meanwhile, a certain, smallish percentage of self-identified Democrats or leftists, most of whom were white men, refused to vote for Clinton. They argued that SCOTUS wasn't a reason to vote for Clinton. They spread Russian propaganda about Clinton, all because they were angry that Democrats had the nerve to prefer her to their own chosen candidate. Yet none of them take responsibility for this or anything else that Trump wrought. Instead, they blame white women.
Emile
(43,306 posts)Trump won because
white men voted in the plurality for him and I totally agree
The part about the 48 vs 47 was my mistake, as I said in another post.
I am curious about your views on those few Bernie supporters who refused to vote for Clinton and/or trashed her well past the primary. Do you agree that they played a role in Clinton's defeat?
Emile
(43,306 posts)voted for Trump, do you agree too?
iemanja
(57,780 posts)47% of white women did, and none of them are on this site.
Emile
(43,306 posts)Are you saying the majority of white women helped in the election of Trump?
iemanja
(57,780 posts)There was nothing unclear about my post.
Emile
(43,306 posts)47% of white women who actually voted is not a majority. A majority is 51% or greater. How is it that has to be explained to you?
Emile
(43,306 posts)47% of White Women voted for Trump
45% of White Women voted for Hillary
So 2% more White Women voter for Trump. We're talking about a lot of votes!
yardwork
(69,680 posts)That's a hell of a lot of votes.
I still don't have an answer to my question to the OP about why it's so effing important to attack the plurality of white women who supported Trump while ignoring the majority of white men who voted for him.
The OP's wording makes it sound like Trump won because of white women's support. In fact, if only women voted in 2016 Trump would have lost.
There's a much more radical OP that could be made from that fact.
Emile
(43,306 posts)Last edited Thu May 5, 2022, 02:57 PM - Edit history (1)
that voted for Trump voted for Hillary. That's just another fact with the other one you gave, but I also have told you and your friend that I agreed with it too.
iemanja
(57,780 posts)47% is not more than 48%.
Emile
(43,306 posts)iemanja
(57,780 posts)You do.
Emile
(43,306 posts)87. A study by Pew Research Center
published in August by the Pew Research Center, the percentage of white women who voted for Trump was actually 47%, compared to 45% for Clinton. Thats still a plurality, and still makes white women more Trump-positive than the overall electorate, which supported Clinton by a 48%-46% margin.
iemanja
(57,780 posts)I misread (or rather had a brain fart) that the electorate went for Trump 48-46. It was the other way around. I apologize for that.
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uponit7771
(93,532 posts)... would vote for GZP after all their anti women bullshit.
qwlauren35
(6,309 posts)White women HELPED to do this.
They certainly didn't do it alone. A small, powerful minority of white MEN made this happen, and there were some white women who helped.
obamanut2012
(29,516 posts)How about THAT.
JFC.