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catbyte

(39,322 posts)
Tue May 3, 2022, 03:59 PM May 2022

What's most upsetting to me about overturning Roe v Wade is that white women did this.

In 2016, 47% of white women voted for that orange asshole and now we have the full horror visited upon us. Thanks for NOTHING. I hope they're happy.

I'm old enough to sort of remember the days before Roe v Wade and we're about to re-enter a very dark chapter. Young women have no idea. Well, they're about to find out now. What a goddamned tragedy.

I wonder who's next.

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What's most upsetting to me about overturning Roe v Wade is that white women did this. (Original Post) catbyte May 2022 OP
We know who is next. Irish_Dem May 2022 #1
Yep - birth control, civil rights, SS, forced loyalty, forced religious ... Cosmocat May 2022 #41
And I'm sure some of those white women have had an abortion in their past...... beaglelover May 2022 #2
hypocrites, all of them. They voted for trump who likely Ilsa May 2022 #4
some of that in the women in my family,,,,, KarenS May 2022 #26
We forget that many white women are die-hard racists also. Samrob May 2022 #120
Who's next? notinkansas May 2022 #3
I'm willing to bet a lot of them never had to choose. gldstwmn May 2022 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author CrackityJones75 May 2022 #124
one suspects there are huge numbers of not white women who are fine with this decision nt msongs May 2022 #6
That 55% number is NOT correct. It is based on unreliable spooky3 May 2022 #7
Thank you. I fixed the percentages but the result was the same. Too many women supported that thing catbyte May 2022 #10
It's a perfect example of why GQP wants to undermine public education. Nt spooky3 May 2022 #12
Thank you snowybirdie May 2022 #13
And here lies the problem with this thinking inthewind21 May 2022 #66
Right Back At You RobinA May 2022 #118
can we find a link to that Pew data? Grasswire2 May 2022 #19
Here: muriel_volestrangler May 2022 #23
45 + 47 equals 92. maxsolomon May 2022 #27
I don't know, but the survey result was close to the election result overall muriel_volestrangler May 2022 #30
Voted other, didn't vote that race ... Cosmocat May 2022 #42
Voted other, didn't vote that race ... Cosmocat May 2022 #43
Third parties inthewind21 May 2022 #67
Oh, Don't Forget RobinA May 2022 #119
thank you Grasswire2 May 2022 #28
From the appendix, we can break down the white women vote by age group and education, a bit muriel_volestrangler May 2022 #29
White women whose old husbands are staring over their shoulder. n/m BradAllison May 2022 #58
it's donnie's fault, putin's fault, murdoch's fault, comey's fault, and the fault of our founders unblock May 2022 #8
In reality I think it's MSM's fault. LakeArenal May 2022 #14
Roger that. pwb May 2022 #18
Yes indeed. unblock May 2022 #45
+1 uponit7771 May 2022 #96
No inthewind21 May 2022 #70
Nope radicalleft May 2022 #127
Yes, white women are not on our side but the 55% number is wrong electron_blue May 2022 #9
I fixed it but it was still enough to tip the election. catbyte May 2022 #11
Thank you for the link to the article, which is great. Nt spooky3 May 2022 #16
Hillary very well could have won had she got the percentage of white female vote as TFG Kaleva May 2022 #17
2 points is likely within the margin of error iemanja May 2022 #36
It's a fact that a majority of white males and a plurality of white females voted for Trump Kaleva May 2022 #49
The study is based on exit polls iemanja May 2022 #54
I didn't realize it had been overturned Meowmee May 2022 #15
They were helped by the Democrats who stayed home in 2016 because their candidate did not get the redstatebluegirl May 2022 #20
Bingo! inthewind21 May 2022 #71
I blame them more Meowmee May 2022 #102
Catholics did this. milestogo May 2022 #21
Stephen Colbert is Catholic and teaches Sunday school. N/t LiberatedUSA May 2022 #34
Well, the EWTN and (Ir)-Relevant Radio Catholics, anyway... keep_left May 2022 #38
Supreme Court Justices who allow their religion to influence their interpretation of the law. milestogo May 2022 #39
Trump got a higher percentage of the Protestants than the Catholics. nt. Mariana May 2022 #48
So called Christian women did this. nt. BlueIdaho May 2022 #22
It was actually 52% of White Women that voted for the p%#y grabber maxrandb May 2022 #24
No, it wasn't iemanja May 2022 #32
Just stop inthewind21 May 2022 #72
WTF? iemanja May 2022 #73
That is simply not true. Demsrule86 May 2022 #25
Why is it that women are always at fault? iemanja May 2022 #31
We can't win nt XanaDUer2 May 2022 #33
Problem is: a lot of those misogynists are women themselves. Ligyron May 2022 #68
I understand that iemanja May 2022 #69
Agree with your comment. n/t ChazII May 2022 #123
It's amazing how many of my post-menopausal friends just aren't pro- choice MaryMagdaline May 2022 #35
I'm still pro-choice milestogo May 2022 #40
Really? Not me. Shame on them! I fear for our younger, and poorer women-sisters! electric_blue68 May 2022 #46
I fear for them too, but they don't vote. I can only vote once. MaryMagdaline May 2022 #81
Interesting RobinA May 2022 #121
Then I doubt they were ever pro choice obamanut2012 May 2022 #125
Please stop erasing the millions of women who voted Clinton and for Biden delisen May 2022 #37
White women have been the deciding factor in fully flipping Cosmocat May 2022 #44
Just as true to say that men have been the deciding factor or people in certain states. delisen May 2022 #47
No it isn't "sexist" Cosmocat May 2022 #51
Not a matter of my taking offense or of my feelings delisen May 2022 #53
Ever wonder inthewind21 May 2022 #76
Swing states have been the factor iemanja May 2022 #55
No one is erasing inthewind21 May 2022 #75
K&R off to the greatest posts! Emile May 2022 #50
There is something truly disturbing iemanja May 2022 #56
The Emile May 2022 #57
but you aren't. iemanja May 2022 #60
Are you always so judgemental towards Emile May 2022 #61
LOL iemanja May 2022 #62
I am a man praising a woman's post Emile May 2022 #78
Classic example inthewind21 May 2022 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author Emile May 2022 #85
When did Me Too fail? iemanja May 2022 #91
With you. Total agreement. BlackSkimmer May 2022 #64
I praised this post because I found it refreshing Emile May 2022 #79
You don't know me! Emile May 2022 #86
Where did I call you a sexist pig? iemanja May 2022 #90
Did I say you did? No I didn't. Emile May 2022 #94
I was in college in Utah in the "60s. People still leftyladyfrommo May 2022 #52
I don't think we should start talking race or gender on this one. The problem started with Vinca May 2022 #59
Which means that 53% did not. Ms. Toad May 2022 #63
How many white women on this site voted for Trump? iemanja May 2022 #65
+1. BlackSkimmer May 2022 #80
There is plenty of blame to go around on this, not sure what people get from pointing fingers. Ace Rothstein May 2022 #74
Didn't white men vote for Trump in even greater percents? yardwork May 2022 #82
The point of the OP is that women enabled this. I don't understand how 67% of women favor catbyte May 2022 #83
A majority of women voted against Trump, while a majority of men voted for him, yardwork May 2022 #84
A study by Pew Research Center Emile May 2022 #87
Yes, white people supported Trump, but a higher percent of white men supported him. yardwork May 2022 #88
Still a plurality of white women voted for Trump. Emile May 2022 #89
While a super majority of White Men voted for Trump iemanja May 2022 #92
I can't speak for the OP. Trump won because Emile May 2022 #95
It was 62% iemanja May 2022 #97
Listen I'm just as pissed at the white men for voting for Trump as the Emile May 2022 #99
You said a plurality of white men voted for Trump iemanja May 2022 #103
Which post# did I say all this? LOL Emile May 2022 #105
Here iemanja May 2022 #108
They ALL played a roll. Even the white women that Emile May 2022 #110
If Pew is correct iemanja May 2022 #111
What are you saying? We know no one on this site voted for Trump! Emile May 2022 #112
What are you talking about? iemanja May 2022 #113
Then answer my question yes or no! Emile May 2022 #114
No iemanja May 2022 #115
Wow not judgmental at all. Emile May 2022 #116
And what about the 62% of white men who voted for Trump? yardwork May 2022 #117
Trump couldn't of won if those 2% of white females Emile May 2022 #122
Your math is wrong iemanja May 2022 #98
Take it up with the Pew Research. Emile May 2022 #101
Pew doesn't say 47 is more than 48 iemanja May 2022 #104
Where did I say 48? Emile May 2022 #106
My mistake iemanja May 2022 #107
This message was self-deleted by its author iemanja May 2022 #93
White men are going to vote for their interest and that lies in the GZP, I don't see why white women uponit7771 May 2022 #100
Couldn't you change the title. qwlauren35 May 2022 #109
How about we stop blaming women for the patriarchy and women's oppression? obamanut2012 May 2022 #126

Irish_Dem

(82,423 posts)
1. We know who is next.
Tue May 3, 2022, 04:01 PM
May 2022

POC and LGBT.

Yes young people have no idea how their lives will change dramatically.

Cosmocat

(15,477 posts)
41. Yep - birth control, civil rights, SS, forced loyalty, forced religious ...
Tue May 3, 2022, 08:35 PM
May 2022

Its going to get ugly...

beaglelover

(4,501 posts)
2. And I'm sure some of those white women have had an abortion in their past......
Tue May 3, 2022, 04:01 PM
May 2022

Looking at you, my Mother and 2 sisters who had abortions and voted for tRump.

Ilsa

(64,585 posts)
4. hypocrites, all of them. They voted for trump who likely
Tue May 3, 2022, 04:06 PM
May 2022

forced abortions on those women.

Samrob

(4,298 posts)
120. We forget that many white women are die-hard racists also.
Thu May 5, 2022, 11:20 AM
May 2022

Check out some of the historical photos of lynchings and desegregation protests.

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
5. I'm willing to bet a lot of them never had to choose.
Tue May 3, 2022, 04:09 PM
May 2022

They have no idea what the reality of the situation is.

Response to gldstwmn (Reply #5)

msongs

(74,232 posts)
6. one suspects there are huge numbers of not white women who are fine with this decision nt
Tue May 3, 2022, 04:13 PM
May 2022

spooky3

(38,891 posts)
7. That 55% number is NOT correct. It is based on unreliable
Tue May 3, 2022, 04:14 PM
May 2022

Exit poll self reports, and I believe that’s only white women without a college degree.

A follow up study by Pew, using verified vote data, showed that fewer than half of white women voted for Trump in 2016.

If we want to blame his election on any one demographic group, the statistics show that white MEN voted most strongly for him in 2016.

I really wish this meme would die out.

catbyte

(39,322 posts)
10. Thank you. I fixed the percentages but the result was the same. Too many women supported that thing
Tue May 3, 2022, 04:27 PM
May 2022

Here in Michigan, white women without a college degree went for that thing by a margin of 2-1 which was more than enough to take Michigan. Clinton lost by 10.3K votes.

snowybirdie

(6,753 posts)
13. Thank you
Tue May 3, 2022, 04:31 PM
May 2022

Tired of some blaming white women. Well I and most of my white women friends all voted for Hillary. Try harder to place blame please. Maybe a lot of white men who failed to go to the polls and vote!

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
66. And here lies the problem with this thinking
Wed May 4, 2022, 12:23 PM
May 2022

"Well I and most of my white women friends all voted for Hillary" You and most of your friends is NOT a representation of the whole.

RobinA

(10,478 posts)
118. Right Back At You
Thu May 5, 2022, 11:17 AM
May 2022

And neither are the white women who voted for Repubs. There is no "white women" monolith.

Grasswire2

(13,849 posts)
19. can we find a link to that Pew data?
Tue May 3, 2022, 04:39 PM
May 2022

I'd like to share it every time someone on twitter says white women elected Trump.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,618 posts)
30. I don't know, but the survey result was close to the election result overall
Tue May 3, 2022, 06:32 PM
May 2022
The resulting sample of verified voters mirrored the election results very closely. After the
validation was done and the sample was limited to those for whom a turnout record could be
located, 48% reported voting for Hillary Clinton and 45% for Donald Trump; by comparison the
official national vote tally was 48% for Clinton, 46% for Trump.
 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
67. Third parties
Wed May 4, 2022, 12:25 PM
May 2022

Because you know, "I just wasn't feeling it" or "she was mean to my candidate and I think he should have been nominated." Or some such nonsense.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,618 posts)
29. From the appendix, we can break down the white women vote by age group and education, a bit
Tue May 3, 2022, 06:29 PM
May 2022

but not economic (economic is done by household, not individual)

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2018/08/8-9-2018-Validated-voters-release-with-10-2-19-and-10-17-18-corrections.pdf

Age 18-49 white women: 55% Clinton, 33% Trump
Age 50+: 39% Clinton, 56% Trump
White College grad+ women: 61% Clinton, 35% Trump
White Non-college grad women: 33% Clinton, 56% Trump

FWIW, by family income (ie men or women reporting):
White $75k+: 39% Clinton, 55% Trump
White $30k-$75k: 37% Clinton, 58% Trump
White less than $30k: 44% Clinton, 43% Trump

unblock

(56,265 posts)
8. it's donnie's fault, putin's fault, murdoch's fault, comey's fault, and the fault of our founders
Tue May 3, 2022, 04:21 PM
May 2022

for creating an idiotic electoral college system designed largely to protect slavery from the popular vote.

it's the fault of hate radio and foxnews and the republican party and the federalist society.

it's the fault of the kochs and other billionaires.

and many more.



we're not helping much by singling out one particular demographic and blaming them.

LakeArenal

(29,949 posts)
14. In reality I think it's MSM's fault.
Tue May 3, 2022, 04:31 PM
May 2022

They have give credence to lies and bullshit for ratings.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
70. No
Wed May 4, 2022, 12:34 PM
May 2022

It's the fault of those who are lead by their nose and don't think for themselves. We all know about the electoral college and how it works. It's civics 101. Or we SHOULD know. If we don't, it's no ones fault but our own, the citizens of the US. The republicans are a LOT of things, but they don't have us all in chains controlling what we think or what information we seek. YET. Unless we allow it. This fiasco belongs squarely in the laps of the American citizen. It's been no secret the R's ultimate goal was to overturn Roe, they have been harping about it for decades. It's been no secret they intended to control the SC, they've been harping about it for decades. Well, here we are. They played the long game and they won. It was ignored and now everyone is hair on fire. Should come as NO surprise to ANYONE. The warnings were there and in your face. And clearly ignored.

radicalleft

(579 posts)
127. Nope
Thu May 5, 2022, 12:53 PM
May 2022

"They played the long game and they won."

They cheated...at almost every turn, but you're right, they have always been very vocal about what they wanted.

electron_blue

(3,627 posts)
9. Yes, white women are not on our side but the 55% number is wrong
Tue May 3, 2022, 04:26 PM
May 2022

The 53-55% number that is widely circulated is only the preliminary results. The final percentage was closer to 47%. YEs, still way too many white women voting for Trump but it wasn't the majority and it doesn't help matter to make it look bigger than it was. here's one reference, but there are others.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/did-white-women-vote-for-trump-no.html

Kaleva

(40,437 posts)
17. Hillary very well could have won had she got the percentage of white female vote as TFG
Tue May 3, 2022, 04:35 PM
May 2022

"According to a later analysis that experts consider more reliable, a study published in August by the Pew Research Center, the percentage of white women who voted for Trump was actually 47%, compared to 45% for Clinton. "

https://time.com/5422644/trump-white-women-2016/

iemanja

(57,780 posts)
36. 2 points is likely within the margin of error
Tue May 3, 2022, 06:53 PM
May 2022

And there is no reason to believe that poll is any more accurate than the rest of the polls in 2016. But hey, if it absolves white men (who voted OVERWHELMINGLY for Trump) of responsibility, point the figure at white women. As long as white men maintain their god given superiority.

Men blaming women for the loss of their own rights is about the most disgusting thing I have seen on this site.

Kaleva

(40,437 posts)
49. It's a fact that a majority of white males and a plurality of white females voted for Trump
Wed May 4, 2022, 05:52 AM
May 2022

And I posted a link to a study and not a poll.

It's not a surprise that a majority of white males voted for TFG. It is disconcerting that a plurality of white females would vote for TFG given what was at stake for all women.

iemanja

(57,780 posts)
54. The study is based on exit polls
Wed May 4, 2022, 11:46 AM
May 2022

Obviously. There is no other basis for them to make those claims. It's still a poll, but it serves the purpose of kicking women when they are at their lowest.

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
15. I didn't realize it had been overturned
Tue May 3, 2022, 04:33 PM
May 2022

Tg I am long past worrying about it. Anyone who didn't vote or didn't vote hrc did this a long with a host of others. They also murdered my father and millions more.

redstatebluegirl

(12,858 posts)
20. They were helped by the Democrats who stayed home in 2016 because their candidate did not get the
Tue May 3, 2022, 04:48 PM
May 2022

nomination. I blame them as much for this as the women who voted for dumb dumb.

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
102. I blame them more
Wed May 4, 2022, 07:55 PM
May 2022

Because they should have known better, the others were predictable to vote for a fascist.

keep_left

(3,225 posts)
38. Well, the EWTN and (Ir)-Relevant Radio Catholics, anyway...
Tue May 3, 2022, 08:18 PM
May 2022

...along with the Church Militant members, I guess, but they don't amount to much outside of Ferndale, MI. The reality is that there are a lot of different kinds of "Catholics". They are not monolithic. Still, your point is well taken--the "progressive" or "left" Catholics, whatever you want to call them--have to do a better job of speaking up. The reactionaries in the Church have not seen any pushback for decades.

milestogo

(23,207 posts)
39. Supreme Court Justices who allow their religion to influence their interpretation of the law.
Tue May 3, 2022, 08:24 PM
May 2022

iemanja

(57,780 posts)
32. No, it wasn't
Tue May 3, 2022, 06:40 PM
May 2022

Those early statistics are estimates, and always wrong.
https://time.com/5422644/trump-white-women-2016/

But keep it up. Men bear no responsibility for electing Trump despite the fact they overwhelmingly voted for him. Like everything else in the world, this is all women's fault. Men love nothing more than to blame women.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
72. Just stop
Wed May 4, 2022, 12:40 PM
May 2022

And clearly there are some women who like to play the victim and blame everyone but WOMEN. Women out number men in this country. Get over your blaming men for EVERYTHING. Doing that is EXACTLY why me too died a swift silent death.

iemanja

(57,780 posts)
31. Why is it that women are always at fault?
Tue May 3, 2022, 06:36 PM
May 2022

We're at fault if we get pregnant. We're at fault if we get an abortion. And now we are supposedly responsible for stripping away our own rights. This story is as old as Adam and Eve, and I'm fucking sick of it.

Put the blame where it belongs: On Republican misogynists.
People love nothing more than to scapegoat women.

There isn't a white woman on this site who voted for Trump. Just what we need today is someone shitting all over us. It's not bad enough that our equal rights are about to be stripped away. You have to blame women. Never mind that an overwhelming majority of white men voted for Trump. It's all women's fault, as usual.

Ligyron

(8,009 posts)
68. Problem is: a lot of those misogynists are women themselves.
Wed May 4, 2022, 12:26 PM
May 2022

Housewives and some others who happily settle for being 2nd in all things.

Much like folks who vote Republican when they actually suffer from Repug policies and would benefit greatly from Democratic policy instead.

Yeah I don’t get it either.

iemanja

(57,780 posts)
69. I understand that
Wed May 4, 2022, 12:29 PM
May 2022

and women can indeed be misogynists. But the OP didn't choose to post on a Republican site. She chose to vent her anger at white women here.

MaryMagdaline

(7,968 posts)
35. It's amazing how many of my post-menopausal friends just aren't pro- choice
Tue May 3, 2022, 06:49 PM
May 2022

anymore. It was all about them. Reasons their abortions were acceptable: rape, defective fetus, life disruption, finances. Reasons why they don’t give a F now? No chance of pregnancy.

milestogo

(23,207 posts)
40. I'm still pro-choice
Tue May 3, 2022, 08:26 PM
May 2022

but I feel the younger generation of women really needs to get out there and fight for womens' rights like my generation did.

RobinA

(10,478 posts)
121. Interesting
Thu May 5, 2022, 11:28 AM
May 2022

Me and my post-menopausal friends have pretty much the same stance we all always did and we vote accordingly.

delisen

(7,423 posts)
37. Please stop erasing the millions of women who voted Clinton and for Biden
Tue May 3, 2022, 08:09 PM
May 2022

Men are in control of our country and have been since the beginning. Patriarchy knows how to divide and conquer.

Where did the male vote go in 2016 and 2020. in what great numbers did they vote for Clinton and for Biden?

What about the so called progressive men and women who who openly opposed the woman who was proud to say her aim in presidential politics was equality for women and girls, who was not ashamed to say that women’s rights on human rights.

You can claim that women did not work hard enough or that we did not fully recognize the enemies arrayed against us but to butto blame us or erase our massive voting can only help the ongoing oppression of patriarchal governance.

Cosmocat

(15,477 posts)
44. White women have been the deciding factor in fully flipping
Tue May 3, 2022, 08:41 PM
May 2022

The balance of power to Rs.

Not "blaming" women.

It's a simple statement of fact.

delisen

(7,423 posts)
47. Just as true to say that men have been the deciding factor or people in certain states.
Wed May 4, 2022, 12:25 AM
May 2022

If a certain additional percentage of women who voted for Trump voted for Clinton instead, she would have become president.

If a certain additional percentage of men who voted for Trump voted for Clinton instead, she would have become president

If a certain number of other group-identified voters had voted for Clinton whether Latino or others had voted for Clinton…….

How about Jill Stein voters? How about disaffected non-voters?


Calling out white woman and ignoring the responsibility of male voter is totally sexist. Men for example gat a pass for voting for Trump.

I and my daughters do not have equal rights. Men are the deciding factor in that.

Blaming woman for male attacks upon our human rights is the markopeople afraid to go against patriarchal social structure.


Cosmocat

(15,477 posts)
51. No it isn't "sexist"
Wed May 4, 2022, 06:31 AM
May 2022

Saying that white women are the deciding factor in the Rs current surge again is a simple statement of fact.

White men have always been the core of their base. The recent development that has led to their ability to be in the position to make a major push is an increase in support from white women.

It isn't blaming "women," it isnt excusing men or whatever you want to try to take offense to. It's recognizing the current dynamic.

If it makes you feel any better black women remain the most common sense voting block, btw. You can discern the most problematic variable from here ...



delisen

(7,423 posts)
53. Not a matter of my taking offense or of my feelings
Wed May 4, 2022, 10:11 AM
May 2022

It does not matter whether white men have always been the core of their base. It does not matter if white men have a history of voting overwhelmingly for purple cobra. When one excuses white men from voting in a manner one considers enlightened and accuses a group of women or blame them as being a deciding factor , that is sexism.

People often identify with power . We live in a powerful patriarchy built upon false premises of tin ate inequality. Millions of men have rejected those false premises, if not too many more followed their lead we will be on equality’s doorstep. Fighting inequality by claiming a group of women are to blame while giving men just maintains the patriarchy that is crushing us.

I would take too much time here to go into the role of the subset of men and women who voted for Putin’s candidate, Jill Stein and were a factor in critical states ( sadly these were often people who were well educated and surely should have known better).


Black women have been outstanding leaders in the fight for equality. Black women are a small percentage of the voting age population and therefore we need the votes of others to achieve equality

Those who verbally claim to be pro-equality but work to maintain patriarchy know this. ..and we all know that unequal societies such as patriarchies are able to maintain themselves through the technique of divide and conquer..






iemanja

(57,780 posts)
55. Swing states have been the factor
Wed May 4, 2022, 11:48 AM
May 2022

Voter turnout has been the factor. Independent voters have been the factor. Russian interference was a factor. James Comey was a factor. But point to none of that. Blame women, which is exactly what that argument does. It's blaming us just when our rights are being stripped away. And, of course, men never bear responsibility for their own votes. The fact they ALWAYS vote fascist isn't their fault; it's women's.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
75. No one is erasing
Wed May 4, 2022, 12:43 PM
May 2022

anything. Men are in control because women allow it. It's just that simple. Women outnumber men in the population. They have the power of numbers, so do tell, why don't they use it? And for the record, I am a woman.

iemanja

(57,780 posts)
56. There is something truly disturbing
Wed May 4, 2022, 11:52 AM
May 2022

about the glee with which men love to blame women for their own subjugation. So much for being an ally.

iemanja

(57,780 posts)
62. LOL
Wed May 4, 2022, 12:13 PM
May 2022

This is a post where you were enthusiastic with applause over blaming women for our own subjugation.

Emile

(43,306 posts)
78. I am a man praising a woman's post
Wed May 4, 2022, 01:33 PM
May 2022

and that in your judgemental eyes makes me somehow against women. This is ridiculous!

Response to inthewind21 (Reply #77)

iemanja

(57,780 posts)
91. When did Me Too fail?
Wed May 4, 2022, 06:02 PM
May 2022

I have the impression that you carry a lot of resentment about Me Too. That doesn't mean it failed. And yet here you are, claiming women made it fail. Why? Because they asks for rapists and harassers to be held accountable?

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
64. With you. Total agreement.
Wed May 4, 2022, 12:17 PM
May 2022

And sadly, we both know women can be their own worst enemies.

I know it. I’m a woman, and I’ve seen it all my life.

Emile

(43,306 posts)
79. I praised this post because I found it refreshing
Wed May 4, 2022, 01:59 PM
May 2022

someone was not blaming Bernie and not trying to divide the party. That don't make me sexist.

Emile

(43,306 posts)
86. You don't know me!
Wed May 4, 2022, 05:01 PM
May 2022

I was fighting for women's rights back in the 70s and 80's as a chief steward in AFLCIO Local 1470. We fought and won equal pay for women in our workplace. The company didn't think women could work in certain departments because of the physical labor. We fought and won that one in arbitration. I'm am far from perfect, but the last thing I am is a sexist pig and for anyone to even pretend that's what I am, when in fact I'm not, is hurtful.

Emile

(43,306 posts)
94. Did I say you did? No I didn't.
Wed May 4, 2022, 06:31 PM
May 2022

I was made to feel like I was though and that's hurtful.

leftyladyfrommo

(20,029 posts)
52. I was in college in Utah in the "60s. People still
Wed May 4, 2022, 06:51 AM
May 2022

got pregnant and still got abortions. People just went to Oregon or Mexico. Abortions were not terribly expensive.

My experience has been that people just find ways to get around stupid laws.

Vinca

(54,352 posts)
59. I don't think we should start talking race or gender on this one. The problem started with
Wed May 4, 2022, 11:58 AM
May 2022

Mitch McConnell blocking a SCOTUS nominee by Obama. Another problem no one talks about is RBG in failing health and hanging on until it was too late to replace her with another sane person. I think the biggest factor is people not taking the threat seriously. They can't seem to take their eyes off their cell phones long enough to vote for the candidate who might actually help them. Or they insist on a candidate they agree with 100% but cannot possibly win the general election. It seems we're a very shallow society and being a loudmouth, grifting, reality show star ends up counting for more than a candidate like Hillary Clinton who would have changed the course of history for the better.

Ms. Toad

(38,825 posts)
63. Which means that 53% did not.
Wed May 4, 2022, 12:17 PM
May 2022

Not to mention that Trump garnered 46.1% of the vote - and the 47% who voted for Trump is an estimate. So it looks to me like white women voted for Trump in just about the same as the rest of the country.

Is it too many? Absolutely! Even one vote for Trump is too many.

But stop blaming a group (1) from which a majority voted against Trump and (2) voted pretty much the sane way the rest of the country did.

iemanja

(57,780 posts)
65. How many white women on this site voted for Trump?
Wed May 4, 2022, 12:18 PM
May 2022

Are you alleging we all did? Did 47% of us do so? Do you think some did? Can you provide names? If not, why have you chosen to unload on us, at this time when we have learned our rights are being stripped away?

Your entire assumption is based on exit polls, which you first misrepresented badly in order to vent your anger. The pre-election polls were badly wrong for the 2016 election. Why do you assume the exit polls are correct? And why is it so important for you to bash white women on DU, who did not vote for Trump?

I would appreciate a response to this or my other post. So far you're interacted with the slaps on the black you've gotten from men. Why is that? Why are intent on absolving men while dumping your anger on women who voted for Clinton?
You could have posted this on a discussion board for Republicans, but you choose to admonish white women Democrats. Why exactly is that?

I would submit there is something disturbing about blaming women for our own subjugation. We are women after all, even when we are white. We are about to have our reproductive rights stripped away, along with yours: not 55% of us, not 47% of us, but all of us.

Ace Rothstein

(3,378 posts)
74. There is plenty of blame to go around on this, not sure what people get from pointing fingers.
Wed May 4, 2022, 12:43 PM
May 2022

catbyte

(39,322 posts)
83. The point of the OP is that women enabled this. I don't understand how 67% of women favor
Wed May 4, 2022, 04:35 PM
May 2022

abortion rights while 47% of women voted for the creep who promised to eliminate those rights.

yardwork

(69,680 posts)
84. A majority of women voted against Trump, while a majority of men voted for him,
Wed May 4, 2022, 04:46 PM
May 2022

Women, as a group, voted against Trump. Even a majority of white women voted against Trump.

Emile

(43,306 posts)
87. A study by Pew Research Center
Wed May 4, 2022, 05:27 PM
May 2022

published in August by the Pew Research Center, the percentage of white women who voted for Trump was actually 47%, compared to 45% for Clinton. That’s still a plurality, and still makes white women more Trump-positive than the overall electorate, which supported Clinton by a 48%-46% margin.

https://time.com/5422644/trump-white-women-2016/

yardwork

(69,680 posts)
88. Yes, white people supported Trump, but a higher percent of white men supported him.
Wed May 4, 2022, 05:41 PM
May 2022

No question, it was the support of white people that elected Trump. But why single out white WOMEN when a much greater percent of white MEN supported Trump?

The OP makes no sense to me.

iemanja

(57,780 posts)
92. While a super majority of White Men voted for Trump
Wed May 4, 2022, 06:03 PM
May 2022

Yet the overturning of Roe is the fault of white women, not men. That's rich. And not just white women. White women on this site, women who voted for Clinton.

Emile

(43,306 posts)
95. I can't speak for the OP. Trump won because
Wed May 4, 2022, 06:40 PM
May 2022

white men voted in the plurality for him and I totally agree. The plurality of white women did too and I think that's what upsets the OP?

iemanja

(57,780 posts)
97. It was 62%
Wed May 4, 2022, 07:41 PM
May 2022

Of white men and 52% of all men. That according to the same PEW survey that says 47% of white women voted for Trump. That is not a plurality, and you know it. White men always vote for Republicans in LARGE majorities. In fact, Republicans couldn't stand a chance electorally if not for men. I'm not talking about the OP. She has chosen not to answer me directly. I'm talking to you, and here you are misrepresenting the numbers of white men who voted for Trump.

Emile

(43,306 posts)
99. Listen I'm just as pissed at the white men for voting for Trump as the
Wed May 4, 2022, 07:48 PM
May 2022

OP is at white women. I never did misrepresent the numbers of white men and I don't know why you think that. I don't know why this thread has you so upset.

iemanja

(57,780 posts)
103. You said a plurality of white men voted for Trump
Wed May 4, 2022, 08:01 PM
May 2022

Last edited Wed May 4, 2022, 08:51 PM - Edit history (1)

That is blatantly wrong. 62% is a considerable majority. You also claimed that white women supported Trump in numbers greater than the overall electorate, which you said voted 48% for Trump. That's one point more than the 47% of white women that Pew says voted for Trump. That's 1 point less than the overall electorate, not more.

Additionally, the Pew study is based on exit poll data. The polls prior to the election were wildly off. Why is everyone assuming that exit polls were more accurate?

What I don't like is that some people are taking this as an opportunity to chastise white women on DU, who supported Clinton--probably a majority of us supported Clinton in the primary as well. Meanwhile, a certain, smallish percentage of self-identified Democrats or leftists, most of whom were white men, refused to vote for Clinton. They argued that SCOTUS wasn't a reason to vote for Clinton. They spread Russian propaganda about Clinton, all because they were angry that Democrats had the nerve to prefer her to their own chosen candidate. Yet none of them take responsibility for this or anything else that Trump wrought. Instead, they blame white women.

iemanja

(57,780 posts)
108. Here
Wed May 4, 2022, 08:58 PM
May 2022
https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16659956

Trump won because

white men voted in the plurality for him and I totally agree


The part about the 48 vs 47 was my mistake, as I said in another post.

I am curious about your views on those few Bernie supporters who refused to vote for Clinton and/or trashed her well past the primary. Do you agree that they played a role in Clinton's defeat?

Emile

(43,306 posts)
110. They ALL played a roll. Even the white women that
Wed May 4, 2022, 09:53 PM
May 2022

voted for Trump, do you agree too?

Emile

(43,306 posts)
112. What are you saying? We know no one on this site voted for Trump!
Wed May 4, 2022, 10:43 PM
May 2022

Are you saying the majority of white women helped in the election of Trump?

iemanja

(57,780 posts)
115. No
Wed May 4, 2022, 10:46 PM
May 2022

47% of white women who actually voted is not a majority. A majority is 51% or greater. How is it that has to be explained to you?

Emile

(43,306 posts)
116. Wow not judgmental at all.
Wed May 4, 2022, 10:47 PM
May 2022

47% of White Women voted for Trump
45% of White Women voted for Hillary

So 2% more White Women voter for Trump. We're talking about a lot of votes!

yardwork

(69,680 posts)
117. And what about the 62% of white men who voted for Trump?
Thu May 5, 2022, 10:36 AM
May 2022

That's a hell of a lot of votes.

I still don't have an answer to my question to the OP about why it's so effing important to attack the plurality of white women who supported Trump while ignoring the majority of white men who voted for him.

The OP's wording makes it sound like Trump won because of white women's support. In fact, if only women voted in 2016 Trump would have lost.

There's a much more radical OP that could be made from that fact.

Emile

(43,306 posts)
122. Trump couldn't of won if those 2% of white females
Thu May 5, 2022, 11:52 AM
May 2022

Last edited Thu May 5, 2022, 02:57 PM - Edit history (1)

that voted for Trump voted for Hillary. That's just another fact with the other one you gave, but I also have told you and your friend that I agreed with it too.

Emile

(43,306 posts)
106. Where did I say 48?
Wed May 4, 2022, 08:48 PM
May 2022

87. A study by Pew Research Center
published in August by the Pew Research Center, the percentage of white women who voted for Trump was actually 47%, compared to 45% for Clinton. That’s still a plurality, and still makes white women more Trump-positive than the overall electorate, which supported Clinton by a 48%-46% margin.

iemanja

(57,780 posts)
107. My mistake
Wed May 4, 2022, 08:54 PM
May 2022

I misread (or rather had a brain fart) that the electorate went for Trump 48-46. It was the other way around. I apologize for that.

Response to catbyte (Reply #83)

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
100. White men are going to vote for their interest and that lies in the GZP, I don't see why white women
Wed May 4, 2022, 07:49 PM
May 2022

... would vote for GZP after all their anti women bullshit.

qwlauren35

(6,309 posts)
109. Couldn't you change the title.
Wed May 4, 2022, 09:00 PM
May 2022

White women HELPED to do this.

They certainly didn't do it alone. A small, powerful minority of white MEN made this happen, and there were some white women who helped.

obamanut2012

(29,516 posts)
126. How about we stop blaming women for the patriarchy and women's oppression?
Thu May 5, 2022, 12:43 PM
May 2022

How about THAT.

JFC.

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