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fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
Tue May 3, 2022, 06:00 PM May 2022

Were any laws broken by releasing the SC decision early?

Certainly confidentiality agreements and at least a few people will lose their careers. (responsible or not)

But I'm wondering. What law protects this information?

It's not like the military, where there a many many laws covering classified information etc.

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Were any laws broken by releasing the SC decision early? (Original Post) fescuerescue May 2022 OP
No. J_William_Ryan May 2022 #1
Ashton Fox Embry who leaked a Supreme Court decision was indicted... PoliticAverse May 2022 #2
Thanks. I hadn't heard of this one. fescuerescue May 2022 #4
Very different situation having to do with using inside court information Ocelot II May 2022 #6
The law he was indicted on did not involve financial gain. PoliticAverse May 2022 #8
They're a federal employee so termination is highly unlikely. gldstwmn May 2022 #16
If the leaker is a Supreme Court clerk they'd be "gone in 20 seconds"... n/t PoliticAverse May 2022 #17
Yes, gone. But no laws were broken. PSPS May 2022 #18
Have you ever tried to fire a federal employee? gldstwmn May 2022 #23
I was not assuming, which is why I wrote "if"...... PoliticAverse May 2022 #24
Well, They Want RobinA May 2022 #26
I don't think so Tickle May 2022 #3
I doubt they'd be disbarred. Very few attorneys are. nt Phoenix61 May 2022 #19
Got to keep our eye on the ball here. pwb May 2022 #5
Indeed. n/t PoliticAverse May 2022 #9
The leaker is a hero and needs to be helped or protected if possible ZonkerHarris May 2022 #10
If the leaker is pro-choice they'll be treated as a hero by those that agree and PoliticAverse May 2022 #11
I'd love to handle their book and movie deal. ZonkerHarris May 2022 #12
I'm curious if you know offhand what type of advance people in similar situations have gotten. n/t PoliticAverse May 2022 #14
Not necessarily. There is speculation that the leaker came from the anti-Roe bloc Ocelot II May 2022 #13
interesting theory. If so then it feels like a fire you start to put out another fire but gets ZonkerHarris May 2022 #15
Most of us are capable of maintaining more than one thought throughout the day fescuerescue May 2022 #25
Zero chance of that. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2022 #7
What we know about the investigation into the Supreme Court leak-What Crime is at play LetMyPeopleVote May 2022 #20
Maybe none. But see this: onenote May 2022 #21
Potentally 18 U.S. Code § 641 - Public money, property or records brooklynite May 2022 #22

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
2. Ashton Fox Embry who leaked a Supreme Court decision was indicted...
Tue May 3, 2022, 06:01 PM
May 2022
to deprive the United States of its lawful right and duty of promulgating information in the way and at the time required by law and at departmental regulation.

See:
https://www.law.uchicago.edu/news/clerk-thief-his-life-baker-visiting-judge-tells-story-1919-supreme-court-leak
https://calapplaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/2019.02.25-Appellate-Zealots-BF-on-Selling-secrets-The-disturbing-tale-of-Supreme-Court-clerk-Ashton-Embry.pdf

Realistically, the only punishment the current leaker likely faces is being fired.

Ocelot II

(115,576 posts)
6. Very different situation having to do with using inside court information
Tue May 3, 2022, 06:08 PM
May 2022

for financial gain. Laws have changed a lot since 1919.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
8. The law he was indicted on did not involve financial gain.
Tue May 3, 2022, 06:11 PM
May 2022

> Laws have changed a lot since 1919.

The second article I linked to suggests other laws that might cover the issue.

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
16. They're a federal employee so termination is highly unlikely.
Tue May 3, 2022, 06:21 PM
May 2022

Is someone really trying to assert that after ruling a woman doesn't have a right to privacy that the court has a right to privacy with this decision? That's preposterous.

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
23. Have you ever tried to fire a federal employee?
Tue May 3, 2022, 10:43 PM
May 2022

Do you remember Linda Tripp? Also you're assuming it's a clerk. What if it's not?

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
24. I was not assuming, which is why I wrote "if"......
Tue May 3, 2022, 10:50 PM
May 2022

> What if it's not?

When a government employee responsible for printing the court's final opinions was suspected of leaking he just got transferred.

RobinA

(9,884 posts)
26. Well, They Want
Wed May 4, 2022, 12:14 PM
May 2022

the freedom not to wear a mask or get vaxed, but they won't extend freedom to a pregnant woman.

Tickle

(2,488 posts)
3. I don't think so
Tue May 3, 2022, 06:01 PM
May 2022

I've been trying to find out. The only thing that seems consistent from reading is the person is going to get disbarred.

I think that is it

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
11. If the leaker is pro-choice they'll be treated as a hero by those that agree and
Tue May 3, 2022, 06:15 PM
May 2022

will likely have lots of well paid speaking engagements ahead.

Ocelot II

(115,576 posts)
13. Not necessarily. There is speculation that the leaker came from the anti-Roe bloc
Tue May 3, 2022, 06:16 PM
May 2022

and that it was intended to keep the conservative justices from changing their positions before final publication. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/03/alito-roe-leaked-draft-disaster-for-supreme-court/ There was little to be gained by pro-Roe advocates by releasing information a bit early that everyone expected anyhow. Cui bono? Not the liberals.

ZonkerHarris

(24,204 posts)
15. interesting theory. If so then it feels like a fire you start to put out another fire but gets
Tue May 3, 2022, 06:19 PM
May 2022

out of control on you.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
25. Most of us are capable of maintaining more than one thought throughout the day
Wed May 4, 2022, 12:07 PM
May 2022

I don't think the question is out of line.

ANd I think it does matter. Especially if it turns out the leaker is right wing.

LetMyPeopleVote

(144,884 posts)
20. What we know about the investigation into the Supreme Court leak-What Crime is at play
Tue May 3, 2022, 08:30 PM
May 2022

There is no crime at play here



https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/03/politics/supreme-court-leak-investigation/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_source=twCNNp&utm_content=2022-05-03T23%3A43%3A04&utm_medium=social

's unclear what crime could be investigated and whether the FBI and the Justice Department have the authority to look into a leak that doesn't have to do with classified or sensitive information.

Moreover, after leading politically sensitive investigations of presidential candidates and a sitting president in recent years, Justice Department and FBI officials are loath to get the bureau involved in what may end up being a political effort to try to affect the outcome of the court's final opinion in the case.

"Leaks of government information, by themselves, are not crimes," said Steve Vladeck, a CNN Supreme Court analyst who's a professor at the University of Texas School of Law. "Usually, leakers are prosecuted for leaking classified information, which this isn't, or for offenses related to how they obtained the information they leaked."

"But without one of those hooks, or some kind of financial harm to the government arising from the leak, there's no federal criminal statute that makes leaking of simply confidential governmental information unlawful," Vladeck added.
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