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Consider the source. That was Joan Jetts pointed retort in a new interview in which she was asked to respond to right wing rock ranter Ted Nugents unsolicited shot at her in January, when he claimed she didnt belong on a list of the best rock guitarists.
You have to have st for brains and you have to be a soulless, soulless prick to [include] Joan Jett, Nugent said in a video he posted in December in which he belatedly reacted to a list originally published by Rolling Stones David Fricke in Dec. 2010. Nugent was not included on Frickes list, while Jett came in at No. 87. He doubled-down on his misogyny at the time with an added dose of homophobia. I love Joan. Some of my greatest memories include lesbians. I love the lesbians; its a cocktail of wonderment, he said.
Nugent then topped his hateful rant off with some racism and transphobia. By the way, if Grandmaster Flash is in the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame and Joan Jett is on the list of top 100 guitar players, then Im Caitlyn Jenners boy toy, he said.
In an interview with the NME about her new first-ever acoustic album, Changeup, Jett shrugged off Nugents potshot, dryly noting Neither should he Is that his implication? That he should be on the list instead of me? Well, thats just typical its what Ive dealt with my whole life, being written off. Ted Nugent has to live with being Ted Nugent. He has to be in that body, so thats punishment enough.
Casady1
(2,133 posts)said he was a waste of talent.
ProfessorGAC
(65,038 posts)He's a mediocre guitar player. Very pedestrian, not very musical & is sloppy when he tries to play fast. (And, even then he's not that fast.)
The only time in his career he was the best guitar player in his own band was if was the ONLY guitar player in the band.
In Damn Yankees, he couldn't compare to Shaw, and in his own band, Derek St. Holmes was a much better player.
He was just a lucky puke. I've known a hundred guitar players who could have been that big had they been in the right place at the right time.
Casady1
(2,133 posts)with the Buddy Miles express before Cream. My friend used to play at the midnight shows on New Years eve shows in Detroit. His name was pat Marchino.
ProfessorGAC
(65,038 posts)Except for my uncle taking us to Grand Funk in 1970 & the local weekly summer shows my dad was tangentially connected to (some of those acts became big time), I didn't start going to concerts until I got my license in late 1972.
So, my whole concert life has been 70s through 90s, with a few select events since 2000.
I would have loved to see Cream live.
Also, one of our back pocket songs was Them Changes. It was one of 10 or 12 that we never rehearsed or arranged, but would pop into the middle of the show & see where it would go. Our drummer loved singing that.
Casady1
(2,133 posts)them changes. I also saw Blind faith which is even more rare.
ProfessorGAC
(65,038 posts)Can't Find My Way Home was required learning for guitar players in my age range. Especially if one had a high voice.
Casady1
(2,133 posts)with the young rascals who didn't show up because it was a scam. Then I went to see Cream, Joplin eight days later., Blood sweat and tears with Ten Years after backing them up. I then really went into heavy concert mode. The Who at the Fillmore( before Tommy with Chuck Berry and Albert King, Led zep's second tour in the U.S. and the Chamber Brothers,.
This was followed by Woodstock, Jefferson Airplane, Grateful Dead, Moody Blues. Allman Brothers( I saw the Friday of the closing weekend at the Fillmore and the Stonybrook concert which is released now(first Blue Sky) and I was right under Duane for the second set. I saw Van Morrison as a back up band plus multiple times as the lead band.
I saw multiple Who shows with them doing Tommy,
I can go on. I have seen about 250 concerts. The last one was Suzanne Vega. I even saw Carly Simon's twice. I also saw the Joni Mitchell show with pat Methany(Shadows and nights). I have been to Red Rocks many times.
One of my regrets was missing Derek and the Dominoes even though I saw about every other iteration of Clapton.
To me the best live band today is Tedeschi/Trucks.
WarGamer
(12,444 posts)Total dooshbag, no doubt.
However... I grew up in SoCal in the late 70's early 80's... totally formative pre-teen through 20-something years.
Nugent was part of the soundtrack of my life.
His "dooshbaggery" doesn't erase my memories.
ProfessorGAC
(65,038 posts)I was a big fan of Bowie, and thought Mick Ronson was a guitar god. Now, that I'm a very accomplished player I see I was wrong, but I still enjoy many of the songs he played with David.
I saw Nugent at Haymakers (north suburbs of Chicago) shortly after the album with Hey, Baby & Stranglehold was released. I remember being impressed by the band, but not by Ted. Derek blew him off the stage. (Both on guitar & vocals)
But, that whole "soundtrack of my youth" thing is real. No doubt.
WarGamer
(12,444 posts)I was thirteen, my first concert. Went with my friends older brother.
300,000 people. I was awestruck.
300,000 people, elbow to elbow... the ground shook, your ears rang... it was insanity
check out the band list:
Aerosmith, Foreigner, Heart, Santana, Mahogany Rush, Dave Mason, Rubicon, Bob Welch and Ted Nugent
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ProfessorGAC
(65,038 posts)We piled into my Pinto and drove straight through.
We stayed at my dad's cousin's house. (IIRC, they lived in Santa Ana) He had 3 sons in our age group. They got around 20 tickets & held 4 for us. We spent our the nights at their house, and left the morning after the show. I got to see Sabbath, Purple, & ELP all in the same concert. It was worth the drive!
WarGamer
(12,444 posts)And looking back now, it's truly historic. Major major bands at a particularly important time in music.
Right there at the end of 70's rock prior to the 80's hair bands and (yikes) DEVO and "New Wave"... lol
EDIT TO ADD:
This was just a year before the release of Van Halen (one) which ushered in the 80's (even though it was 1979 IIRC)
(oops it was 1978)
TheBlackAdder
(28,194 posts).
Who knows?
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Carlitos Brigante
(26,501 posts)AZLD4Candidate
(5,689 posts)Pantera did it much better as a cover!
Unless you count that crappy Amboy Dukes song "Journey to the Center of the Mind."
PurgedVoter
(2,217 posts)He stole from the best is the only thing you can say for Ted.
world wide wally
(21,743 posts)SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)I thought that was just a western New York slam against egotistical crappy guitar players. I guess when your ego starts playing riffs your fingers can't pick it spreads far and wide.
world wide wally
(21,743 posts)We had a guy who just went straight into a lead no matter what anyone else was doing. LOL
ProfessorGAC
(65,038 posts)Common on jam nights for someone to say "It was pretty solid until Nugent started playing. And, that lead? Sheesh!"
And, at jam nights one hears a lot of typical, styleless playing. A guy had to be another floor down to be called "Nugent".
The Unmitigated Gall
(3,811 posts)Who craps his pants to avoid service,
And then compensates for his cowardice by slamming arrows into animals.
AND
he really does suck. Not fit to dust Joans amp.
2naSalit
(86,609 posts)Been a fan of Joan Jett but that was worthy of my admiration!
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)What he said does not meet my standards for calling his speech misogynist, homophobic, transphobic, or racist.
Consider:
He did not say Jett didn't belong on the list because she's female.
He did not say there's anything wrong with being a lesbian, in fact he said he loves lesbians. In a creepy/pervy way, yes, but not in a homophobic way.
He did not say that Grandmaster Flash shouldn't be in the R&R HOF because he's black. That would be ridiculous on it's face. I'm sure he has no problem with Hendrix being in it, for example.
He did not say there's anything wrong with being transgender.
These words like racist and homophobic have specific meanings/criteria, and I'm sorry but his comments really don't objectively meet any of those criteria.
IMHO people should stop being so dang sensitive, because all it does is play into the hands of childish jackasses like Nugent who get off on pushing liberals buttons like this, whose real goal is to paint us all as snowflakes. I feel like we should be stronger than them, not let them bully us.
A better angle on this, in the article, would be to ridicule his sophomoric attempt to annoy liberals (along with presenting what JJ said, which was obviously awesome).
That said, I'm just another (mostly) straight white cis-male (who doesn't give much of a fuck what anyone says about me, because I know who I am) so there's a good chance I don't fully understand
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,327 posts)Do you seriously think Nugent loves lesbians because he supports their rights and humanity?
Or is he just being a typical douche who says I support gay rights because I want to see two chicks go at it?
Think about that and then answer honestly.
Ignoring a gay womans talent and accomplishments and reducing her to his girl on girl porn fetish is both homophobic and misogynistic.
Lets not forget who we are talking about here. Why do you want to give him the benefit of the doubt and go to bat for him? Do you need a refresher course on this jagoff?
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)I don't like when we cheapen powerful words like racist, homophobic, pedophile ... by applying them at the slightest opportunity.
"Ignoring a gay womans talent and accomplishments and reducing her to his girl on girl porn fetish is both homophobic and misogynistic."
If you start from the position that Joan Jett is legitimately NOT 'Top 100 Guitarists of All-Time'-worthy ... which I think is reasonable to argue ... then really all the dude is guilty of by his actual words is being a bit pervy. But honestly most straight men dig lesbians for prurient reasons like this. Some of them may also be homophobic, but a great many of them are not
Mostly my issue is with letting dickheads like this manipulate us, as he's clearly doing.
Joan herself handled it PERFECTLY.
This author, OTOH ... did not handle it like I'd prefer.
Better to just ridicule these people and their attempts to annoy us than get into redefining offensive concepts like 'homophobic' to mean anything we can even remotely shoehorn into that class. It cheapens these powerful words, and makes us look over-reactive ... which is THEIR GOAL.
MHO, fwiw.
ismnotwasm
(41,980 posts)Implying being a boy toy as an insult to a transgender person is homophobic. Hes saying he is the exact opposite implying superiority.
As far as sexist, I think you have to look at his entire presentation. Hes a walking, talking sexist piece of shit
I do understand your point, but you dont want to die on that hill.
Any cis, white, hetero male as problematic as Ted Nugent doesnt need hair splitting over what is bigoted enough Fuck him
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)"My God, look how sensitive these people are! I didn't say a word bashing lesbians, gays, trans people, or people of color, and look how 'the media' reacts ... calling me all these names ... apparently everything a guy like me says is homophobic, racist, etc".
This is his game, and the game of many who think like him. He planned this out, and the author of the article did exactly what the asshole was fishing for.
IMHO it's better to ridicule these pathetic attempts to tweak our sensibilities with their 'straddling the line of offensive' bullshit, as he was clearly doing here.
That's what I'd call 'operating from a position of strength'.
Coming across like we're horrendously offended by everything some jackass like Nugent says? Not a position of strength.
S'what I'm getting at, perhaps clumsily
yardwork
(61,608 posts)druidity33
(6,446 posts)NullTuples
(6,017 posts)He has spewed so much sexism, misogyny & racism that he no longer needs to explicitly say "because xyz". All he has to do is whistle.
llmart
(15,539 posts)For an example: Someone says, "Well, you know, I moved here because THEY were starting to move into my old neighborhood." We all know what "they" means.
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)I love Joan. Some of my greatest memories include lesbians. I love the lesbians; its a cocktail of wonderment, he said.
That statement is both sexist and homophobic especially when used to justify oneself while criticizing a musician's craft who happens to be a lesbian.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)But is it 'homophobic' and 'sexist'?
It's offensive, but I'd probably not say it's unequivocally those more extreme things, in and of itself.
And this is where I part with a lot of my liberal breathen is on the definition of such words.
I want to maintain the power of them by not overusing them, and others disagree and like to apply them ... copiously, shall we say?
I also want us to ridicule these people more than be offended by their childish attempts to get under our skin.
It was such an obvious ploy, and the article's author here responded exactly like Nugent wanted 'the media' to do, I think.
Joan, OTOH, responded brilliantly
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)He should be in jail.
maxrandb
(15,330 posts)He's a fucking one-riff dipshit sorry ass guitar player.
LW1977
(1,234 posts)bigtree
(85,996 posts)...Ted Nugent is Caitlyn Jenners boy toy.
Makes sense.
ificandream
(9,372 posts)Say whatever words come out of your mouth and don't bother to consider what they really mean as long as it outrages. That's what the GOP today is crapola.
IronLionZion
(45,442 posts)It sounds like he's admitting to it. They're both Republicans so anything is possible.
James48
(4,436 posts)That one is going to stick. Caitlyn Jenners Boy Toy.
So it shall be.
Mr.Bill
(24,289 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,628 posts)An attempted guitar player who has issues with playing with others.
niyad
(113,302 posts)2010?? That is not belated, that is beyond pointless.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)Yes, they are better than 99% of the Earth's guitar players but neither are geniuses. RS can fuck off with their "Best" lists.
Just_Vote_Dem
(2,808 posts)Nugent is a shitstain.
Drum
(9,161 posts)Grins
(7,217 posts)But he did.
Took a gratuitous shot at someone else - because he could.
Because hes a duck. And always has been.
(Has been perfectly describes him.)
Hes a REAL Republican!