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sarisataka

(18,654 posts)
Wed May 4, 2022, 02:15 PM May 2022

Joan Jett Drops a Cherry Bomb of Truth Over Ted Nugent Best Guitarist Diss: 'He Has to Live With Bei

Joan Jett Drops a Cherry Bomb of Truth Over Ted Nugent Best Guitarist Diss: ‘He Has to Live With Being Ted Nugent’

Consider the source. That was Joan Jett‘s pointed retort in a new interview in which she was asked to respond to right wing rock ranter Ted Nugent‘s unsolicited shot at her in January, when he claimed she didn’t belong on a list of the best rock guitarists.

“You have to have s–t for brains and you have to be a soulless, soulless prick to [include] Joan Jett,” Nugent said in a video he posted in December in which he belatedly reacted to a list originally published by Rolling Stone‘s David Fricke in Dec. 2010. Nugent was not included on Fricke’s list, while Jett came in at No. 87. He doubled-down on his misogyny at the time with an added dose of homophobia. “I love Joan. Some of my greatest memories include lesbians. I love the lesbians; it’s a cocktail of wonderment,” he said.

Nugent then topped his hateful rant off with some racism and transphobia. “By the way, if Grandmaster Flash is in the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame and Joan Jett is on the list of top 100 guitar players, then I’m Caitlyn Jenner’s boy toy,” he said.

In an interview with the NME about her new first-ever acoustic album, Changeup, Jett shrugged off Nugent’s potshot, dryly noting “Neither should he… Is that his implication? That he should be on the list instead of me? Well, that’s just typical – it’s what I’ve dealt with my whole life, being written off. Ted Nugent has to live with being Ted Nugent. He has to be in that body, so that’s punishment enough.”
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/joan-jett-drops-cherry-bomb-153952444.html

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Joan Jett Drops a Cherry Bomb of Truth Over Ted Nugent Best Guitarist Diss: 'He Has to Live With Bei (Original Post) sarisataka May 2022 OP
My friend drummed for Nugent Casady1 May 2022 #1
He's Not That Talented ProfessorGAC May 2022 #28
I saw him at the Garden Casady1 May 2022 #30
A Bit Before My Time ProfessorGAC May 2022 #34
My mind is going through Casady1 May 2022 #36
Super Cool! ProfessorGAC May 2022 #38
I first started going to shows in 1966 Casady1 May 2022 #44
I can be honest about Nugent... WarGamer May 2022 #33
I Can See That ProfessorGAC May 2022 #37
Great memories... I was at CalJam 2 in 1978 WarGamer May 2022 #39
We Went To The First One ProfessorGAC May 2022 #42
we'll NEVER forget that stuff... WarGamer May 2022 #43
Ted must lament that he didn't hit on the 17yo Jett during the first tour year of The Runaways. TheBlackAdder May 2022 #32
Ted Nugent? Teenage girl raping, draft dodging, pants shitting Ted Nugent? nt Carlitos Brigante May 2022 #2
Yes. Mr. Cat Scratch Fever and nothing else ever. And Cat Scratch Fever was mediocre at best AZLD4Candidate May 2022 #31
I prefer the original version by Deep Purple PurgedVoter May 2022 #40
Back when I was in bands, we would diss ego driven, shitty guitar players by calling them Ted Nugent world wide wally May 2022 #3
You too? SergeStorms May 2022 #18
I was out in Colorado. world wide wally May 2022 #24
Here In Illinois, Too ProfessorGAC May 2022 #29
Maybe. But you DON'T have to be a chicken-shit The Unmitigated Gall May 2022 #4
I have never... 2naSalit May 2022 #5
I hate Nugent with the fiery heat of 1000 suns ... however ... Hugh_Lebowski May 2022 #6
Dude. Give it a rest. Hassin Bin Sober May 2022 #9
If you know me, you know I often make this point Hugh_Lebowski May 2022 #14
No man. You are wrong ismnotwasm May 2022 #17
At the same time he can point at this article and go ... Hugh_Lebowski May 2022 #23
This. yardwork May 2022 #21
You're right... you don't fully understand. nt. druidity33 May 2022 #10
As Joan says, you have to consider the source. NullTuples May 2022 #15
It doesn't have to be said. It can be implied. llmart May 2022 #20
yeah sort of but... jcgoldie May 2022 #45
Well, I'd agree that pointing out that she likes girls in this context is cheesy and lame Hugh_Lebowski May 2022 #46
nugent is a filthy pedophile puke. The Jungle 1 May 2022 #7
Pedo Ted isn't qualified to carry Joan Jetts guitar picks maxrandb May 2022 #8
I believe Courtney Love LW1977 May 2022 #11
so, some news then bigtree May 2022 #12
Nugent is a typical Repugh. ificandream May 2022 #13
Then he's Caitlyn Jenner's boy toy IronLionZion May 2022 #16
I was just gonna say- James48 May 2022 #19
Should be the thread title. n/t Mr.Bill May 2022 #22
IMHO, Ted Nugent has shit for brains and is a soulless, soulless arrogant prick milestogo May 2022 #25
Shun him JohnnyRingo May 2022 #26
The diaper drip posted belatedly in December of last year about a list published in niyad May 2022 #27
Actually, both of them are middling professional rock guitarists. maxsolomon May 2022 #35
Joan Jett is awesome Just_Vote_Dem May 2022 #41
TN douchiest douche Drum May 2022 #47
The pants-shitting draft dodger didn't have to say any of that. Grins May 2022 #48

ProfessorGAC

(65,038 posts)
28. He's Not That Talented
Wed May 4, 2022, 05:26 PM
May 2022

He's a mediocre guitar player. Very pedestrian, not very musical & is sloppy when he tries to play fast. (And, even then he's not that fast.)
The only time in his career he was the best guitar player in his own band was if was the ONLY guitar player in the band.
In Damn Yankees, he couldn't compare to Shaw, and in his own band, Derek St. Holmes was a much better player.
He was just a lucky puke. I've known a hundred guitar players who could have been that big had they been in the right place at the right time.

 

Casady1

(2,133 posts)
30. I saw him at the Garden
Wed May 4, 2022, 05:34 PM
May 2022

with the Buddy Miles express before Cream. My friend used to play at the midnight shows on New Years eve shows in Detroit. His name was pat Marchino.

ProfessorGAC

(65,038 posts)
34. A Bit Before My Time
Wed May 4, 2022, 05:42 PM
May 2022

Except for my uncle taking us to Grand Funk in 1970 & the local weekly summer shows my dad was tangentially connected to (some of those acts became big time), I didn't start going to concerts until I got my license in late 1972.
So, my whole concert life has been 70s through 90s, with a few select events since 2000.
I would have loved to see Cream live.
Also, one of our back pocket songs was Them Changes. It was one of 10 or 12 that we never rehearsed or arranged, but would pop into the middle of the show & see where it would go. Our drummer loved singing that.

ProfessorGAC

(65,038 posts)
38. Super Cool!
Wed May 4, 2022, 05:50 PM
May 2022

Can't Find My Way Home was required learning for guitar players in my age range. Especially if one had a high voice.

 

Casady1

(2,133 posts)
44. I first started going to shows in 1966
Wed May 4, 2022, 06:14 PM
May 2022

with the young rascals who didn't show up because it was a scam. Then I went to see Cream, Joplin eight days later., Blood sweat and tears with Ten Years after backing them up. I then really went into heavy concert mode. The Who at the Fillmore( before Tommy with Chuck Berry and Albert King, Led zep's second tour in the U.S. and the Chamber Brothers,.
This was followed by Woodstock, Jefferson Airplane, Grateful Dead, Moody Blues. Allman Brothers( I saw the Friday of the closing weekend at the Fillmore and the Stonybrook concert which is released now(first Blue Sky) and I was right under Duane for the second set. I saw Van Morrison as a back up band plus multiple times as the lead band.
I saw multiple Who shows with them doing Tommy,

I can go on. I have seen about 250 concerts. The last one was Suzanne Vega. I even saw Carly Simon's twice. I also saw the Joni Mitchell show with pat Methany(Shadows and nights). I have been to Red Rocks many times.

One of my regrets was missing Derek and the Dominoes even though I saw about every other iteration of Clapton.

To me the best live band today is Tedeschi/Trucks.

WarGamer

(12,444 posts)
33. I can be honest about Nugent...
Wed May 4, 2022, 05:37 PM
May 2022

Total dooshbag, no doubt.


However... I grew up in SoCal in the late 70's early 80's... totally formative pre-teen through 20-something years.

Nugent was part of the soundtrack of my life.

His "dooshbaggery" doesn't erase my memories.

ProfessorGAC

(65,038 posts)
37. I Can See That
Wed May 4, 2022, 05:49 PM
May 2022

I was a big fan of Bowie, and thought Mick Ronson was a guitar god. Now, that I'm a very accomplished player I see I was wrong, but I still enjoy many of the songs he played with David.
I saw Nugent at Haymakers (north suburbs of Chicago) shortly after the album with Hey, Baby & Stranglehold was released. I remember being impressed by the band, but not by Ted. Derek blew him off the stage. (Both on guitar & vocals)
But, that whole "soundtrack of my youth" thing is real. No doubt.

WarGamer

(12,444 posts)
39. Great memories... I was at CalJam 2 in 1978
Wed May 4, 2022, 05:53 PM
May 2022

I was thirteen, my first concert. Went with my friends older brother.

300,000 people. I was awestruck.

300,000 people, elbow to elbow... the ground shook, your ears rang... it was insanity

check out the band list:

Aerosmith, Foreigner, Heart, Santana, Mahogany Rush, Dave Mason, Rubicon, Bob Welch and Ted Nugent

?w=738



ProfessorGAC

(65,038 posts)
42. We Went To The First One
Wed May 4, 2022, 06:04 PM
May 2022

We piled into my Pinto and drove straight through.
We stayed at my dad's cousin's house. (IIRC, they lived in Santa Ana) He had 3 sons in our age group. They got around 20 tickets & held 4 for us. We spent our the nights at their house, and left the morning after the show. I got to see Sabbath, Purple, & ELP all in the same concert. It was worth the drive!

WarGamer

(12,444 posts)
43. we'll NEVER forget that stuff...
Wed May 4, 2022, 06:06 PM
May 2022

And looking back now, it's truly historic. Major major bands at a particularly important time in music.

Right there at the end of 70's rock prior to the 80's hair bands and (yikes) DEVO and "New Wave"... lol

EDIT TO ADD:

This was just a year before the release of Van Halen (one) which ushered in the 80's (even though it was 1979 IIRC)

(oops it was 1978)

TheBlackAdder

(28,194 posts)
32. Ted must lament that he didn't hit on the 17yo Jett during the first tour year of The Runaways.
Wed May 4, 2022, 05:36 PM
May 2022

.

Who knows?

.

AZLD4Candidate

(5,689 posts)
31. Yes. Mr. Cat Scratch Fever and nothing else ever. And Cat Scratch Fever was mediocre at best
Wed May 4, 2022, 05:35 PM
May 2022

Pantera did it much better as a cover!

Unless you count that crappy Amboy Dukes song "Journey to the Center of the Mind."

PurgedVoter

(2,217 posts)
40. I prefer the original version by Deep Purple
Wed May 4, 2022, 06:01 PM
May 2022

He stole from the best is the only thing you can say for Ted.

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
18. You too?
Wed May 4, 2022, 04:40 PM
May 2022

I thought that was just a western New York slam against egotistical crappy guitar players. I guess when your ego starts playing riffs your fingers can't pick it spreads far and wide.

world wide wally

(21,743 posts)
24. I was out in Colorado.
Wed May 4, 2022, 04:58 PM
May 2022

We had a guy who just went straight into a lead no matter what anyone else was doing. LOL

ProfessorGAC

(65,038 posts)
29. Here In Illinois, Too
Wed May 4, 2022, 05:30 PM
May 2022

Common on jam nights for someone to say "It was pretty solid until Nugent started playing. And, that lead? Sheesh!"
And, at jam nights one hears a lot of typical, styleless playing. A guy had to be another floor down to be called "Nugent".

The Unmitigated Gall

(3,811 posts)
4. Maybe. But you DON'T have to be a chicken-shit
Wed May 4, 2022, 02:35 PM
May 2022

Who craps his pants to avoid service,

And then compensates for his cowardice by slamming arrows into animals.

AND…he really does suck. Not fit to dust Joan’s amp.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
6. I hate Nugent with the fiery heat of 1000 suns ... however ...
Wed May 4, 2022, 02:43 PM
May 2022

What he said does not meet my standards for calling his speech misogynist, homophobic, transphobic, or racist.

Consider:
He did not say Jett didn't belong on the list because she's female.
He did not say there's anything wrong with being a lesbian, in fact he said he loves lesbians. In a creepy/pervy way, yes, but not in a homophobic way.
He did not say that Grandmaster Flash shouldn't be in the R&R HOF because he's black. That would be ridiculous on it's face. I'm sure he has no problem with Hendrix being in it, for example.
He did not say there's anything wrong with being transgender.

These words like racist and homophobic have specific meanings/criteria, and I'm sorry but his comments really don't objectively meet any of those criteria.

IMHO people should stop being so dang sensitive, because all it does is play into the hands of childish jackasses like Nugent who get off on pushing liberals buttons like this, whose real goal is to paint us all as snowflakes. I feel like we should be stronger than them, not let them bully us.

A better angle on this, in the article, would be to ridicule his sophomoric attempt to annoy liberals (along with presenting what JJ said, which was obviously awesome).

That said, I'm just another (mostly) straight white cis-male (who doesn't give much of a fuck what anyone says about me, because I know who I am) so there's a good chance I don't fully understand

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,327 posts)
9. Dude. Give it a rest.
Wed May 4, 2022, 03:41 PM
May 2022

Do you seriously think Nugent “loves” lesbians because he supports their rights and humanity?

Or is he just being a typical douche who says “I support gay rights because I want to see two chicks go at it”?

Think about that and then answer honestly.

Ignoring a gay woman’s talent and accomplishments and reducing her to his girl on girl porn fetish is both homophobic and misogynistic.

Let’s not forget who we are talking about here. Why do you want to give him the benefit of the doubt and go to bat for him? Do you need a refresher course on this jagoff?

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
14. If you know me, you know I often make this point
Wed May 4, 2022, 04:24 PM
May 2022

I don't like when we cheapen powerful words like racist, homophobic, pedophile ... by applying them at the slightest opportunity.

"Ignoring a gay woman’s talent and accomplishments and reducing her to his girl on girl porn fetish is both homophobic and misogynistic."

If you start from the position that Joan Jett is legitimately NOT 'Top 100 Guitarists of All-Time'-worthy ... which I think is reasonable to argue ... then really all the dude is guilty of by his actual words is being a bit pervy. But honestly most straight men dig lesbians for prurient reasons like this. Some of them may also be homophobic, but a great many of them are not

Mostly my issue is with letting dickheads like this manipulate us, as he's clearly doing.

Joan herself handled it PERFECTLY.

This author, OTOH ... did not handle it like I'd prefer.

Better to just ridicule these people and their attempts to annoy us than get into redefining offensive concepts like 'homophobic' to mean anything we can even remotely shoehorn into that class. It cheapens these powerful words, and makes us look over-reactive ... which is THEIR GOAL.

MHO, fwiw.

ismnotwasm

(41,980 posts)
17. No man. You are wrong
Wed May 4, 2022, 04:40 PM
May 2022

Implying being a “boy toy” as an insult to a transgender person is homophobic. He’s saying he is the exact opposite implying superiority.

As far as sexist, I think you have to look at his entire presentation. He’s a walking, talking sexist piece of shit

I do understand your point, but you don’t want to die on that hill.

Any cis, white, hetero male as problematic as Ted Nugent doesn’t need hair splitting over what is “bigoted enough” Fuck him

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
23. At the same time he can point at this article and go ...
Wed May 4, 2022, 04:55 PM
May 2022

"My God, look how sensitive these people are! I didn't say a word bashing lesbians, gays, trans people, or people of color, and look how 'the media' reacts ... calling me all these names ... apparently everything a guy like me says is homophobic, racist, etc".

This is his game, and the game of many who think like him. He planned this out, and the author of the article did exactly what the asshole was fishing for.

IMHO it's better to ridicule these pathetic attempts to tweak our sensibilities with their 'straddling the line of offensive' bullshit, as he was clearly doing here.

That's what I'd call 'operating from a position of strength'.

Coming across like we're horrendously offended by everything some jackass like Nugent says? Not a position of strength.

S'what I'm getting at, perhaps clumsily

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
15. As Joan says, you have to consider the source.
Wed May 4, 2022, 04:27 PM
May 2022

He has spewed so much sexism, misogyny & racism that he no longer needs to explicitly say "because xyz". All he has to do is whistle.

llmart

(15,539 posts)
20. It doesn't have to be said. It can be implied.
Wed May 4, 2022, 04:47 PM
May 2022

For an example: Someone says, "Well, you know, I moved here because THEY were starting to move into my old neighborhood." We all know what "they" means.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
45. yeah sort of but...
Wed May 4, 2022, 06:18 PM
May 2022

“I love Joan. Some of my greatest memories include lesbians. I love the lesbians; it’s a cocktail of wonderment,” he said.

That statement is both sexist and homophobic especially when used to justify oneself while criticizing a musician's craft who happens to be a lesbian.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
46. Well, I'd agree that pointing out that she likes girls in this context is cheesy and lame
Wed May 4, 2022, 06:35 PM
May 2022

But is it 'homophobic' and 'sexist'?

It's offensive, but I'd probably not say it's unequivocally those more extreme things, in and of itself.

And this is where I part with a lot of my liberal breathen is on the definition of such words.

I want to maintain the power of them by not overusing them, and others disagree and like to apply them ... copiously, shall we say?

I also want us to ridicule these people more than be offended by their childish attempts to get under our skin.

It was such an obvious ploy, and the article's author here responded exactly like Nugent wanted 'the media' to do, I think.

Joan, OTOH, responded brilliantly

maxrandb

(15,330 posts)
8. Pedo Ted isn't qualified to carry Joan Jetts guitar picks
Wed May 4, 2022, 03:27 PM
May 2022

He's a fucking one-riff dipshit sorry ass guitar player.

ificandream

(9,372 posts)
13. Nugent is a typical Repugh.
Wed May 4, 2022, 04:23 PM
May 2022

Say whatever words come out of your mouth and don't bother to consider what they really mean as long as it outrages. That's what the GOP today is crapola.

IronLionZion

(45,442 posts)
16. Then he's Caitlyn Jenner's boy toy
Wed May 4, 2022, 04:31 PM
May 2022

It sounds like he's admitting to it. They're both Republicans so anything is possible.

niyad

(113,302 posts)
27. The diaper drip posted belatedly in December of last year about a list published in
Wed May 4, 2022, 05:14 PM
May 2022

2010?? That is not belated, that is beyond pointless.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
35. Actually, both of them are middling professional rock guitarists.
Wed May 4, 2022, 05:42 PM
May 2022

Yes, they are better than 99% of the Earth's guitar players but neither are geniuses. RS can fuck off with their "Best" lists.

Grins

(7,217 posts)
48. The pants-shitting draft dodger didn't have to say any of that.
Thu May 5, 2022, 12:04 AM
May 2022

But he did.
Took a gratuitous shot at someone else - because he could.
Because he’s a duck. And always has been.
(“Has been” perfectly describes him.)
He’s a REAL Republican!

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