Is abortion fundamentally a religious issue?

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[Haggis 4 Breakfast]

1. The religious right is neither.

[FakeNoose]

2. Also, there's this (grabbed from FB):

[TomSlick]

11. The logic is irrefutable.

[Cerridwen]

3. No. It's a medical issue the radical right has been rebranding

for longer than Roe has been around.

I had a link (eons ago) to the College of Catholic Bishops' website and their document founding and funding (with parishioners' tithes) the (Pardon my language) "pro-life movement." Operation Rescue was one of the most radical and dangerous and first such organizations.

There's a 1980s article in which the prick-whose-name-I-can't-remember (randall terry; I looked it up), who headed O.R., said their first line of business was to remove surgical abortions from hospitals by using lawyers and threats to hospital insurance. They succeeded.

At the time they were called Women's Health and Family Planning Clinics. The radical right re-branded them "abortion" clinics. The press followed and the left followed right along (pun intended).

edited for asshole's name. edited again for grammar

[LakeArenal]

6. Yes. It's a medical procedure that is none of anyone's business.

In addition if it’s a “sin” then all mighty whomever should be able to handle it its self.

[Deuxcents]

8. Yep

Steeped deep in religion..their religion. American Taliban religion. It’s a medical procedure that is decided most intimately.

[Ocelot II]

5. Not entirely, when you dig down. It had been mainly a Catholic issue for a long time,

though they've waffled about aspects of it since the Middle Ages. Protestant evangelicals didn't make such a big deal of it until much more recently, when they joined forces with the Catholics (whom they otherwise considered heretics, and vice-versa) for the purposes of political power. Catholics had long regarded human life as beginning at conception, and in most cases were sincere about opposing abortion - and at least they were fairly consistent because the church also officially opposes the death penalty. When the fundies got into the mix about 40 years ago, the fact that the underlying motivation, especially for the white Christian evangelicals, was not at all about protecting all human life (that bunch is all for the death penalty) but controlling women, whom they regarded as the property of men and whose sexuality must be controlled lest their inner sluttiness come forward. If women could get abortions that would mean they could fuck men who were not their husbands and get away with it, and maybe even like it. Pregnancy and childbirth is the rightful punishment for sex if you're not doing it with the man who owns you.

[Autumn]

7. Absolutely not.

[ymetca]

9. The control of reproduction

is the primary purpose of patriarchy. The indoctrination of good little soldiers to "protect the realm" is required, with sexual repression and the allowance of rape and pillage in times of war is its methodology (and with lots of sexual repression, most patriarchies are usually continually at war). The subversion of lust for blissful union into lust for domination. A suppression of the primal sadomasochistic urge.

Hence the obsession with so-called "grooming", or the equating of sexual experiences with someone controlling someone else. Like there is no such thing as mutual consent, let alone allowing those involved to manage their own outcomes of that experience.

God forbid we live in a more egalitarian, matriarchal world, where everyone and everything is actually cared for.

Tarot Card: The Blasted Tower

[Solly Mack]

10. Some folks like to label their hate, dislikes, and need to control others as religious freedom.

It's a religious issue in that sense. Which is to say it isn't a religious issue at all.

Abortion is a medical/healthcare/wellbeing issue.