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Bucky

(53,997 posts)
Sun May 8, 2022, 03:24 PM May 2022

A note about lying and Republican projection

Remember this talking point from the pre-Covid universe?

Ben Carson’s claim that ‘taqiyya’ encourages Muslims ‘to lie to achieve your goals’
Washington Post | September 22, 2015
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Carson, a neurosurgeon seeking the GOP presidential nomination, caused a stir when he declared on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that he could not support a Muslim becoming president.

In a follow-up interview with The Hill, he asserted that he “did not believe Sharia [law] is consistent with the constitution of this country.” He said he could make an exception if the Muslim running for office “publicly rejected all the tenets of Sharia [Islamic law] and lived a life consistent with that.”

But then Carson added he was concerned about something called “taqiyya.” As he put it, “Taqiyya is a component of Sharia that allows, and even encourages you to lie to achieve your goals.” (Note: the Hill newspaper originally quoted Carson as saying “Shia” but later updated it to “Sharia.”)


or this?

Are Muslims Commanded to Deceive? Why Melanie Phillips Should Know Better
Carnegie Endowment | December 5, 2019
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A recent column published by the Times of London demonstrates why such editorial diligence, especially when religious claims are concerned, is so vital.

Admittedly, the columnist, Melanie Phillips, has form when it comes to anti-Muslim bigotry. Nevertheless, the Times seemingly did nothing to prevent her from describing “the doctrine of taqiyya” as “the command to deceive for Islam.” She goes on to enlist the claim of a deceased professor (without citation) that such divinely authorised deceit is common practice among Muslims.

This is, of course, nonsense. And had Phillips or her editor done their due diligence, they would have discovered as much.


or this?

Trump’s counter-jihad: How the anti-Muslim fringe conquered the White House
Vox.com | Feb 13, 2017
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Gaffney is the president of the Center for Security Policy, or CSP, a right-wing think tank located just blocks from the White House. In 2010, it convened a panel to study the Islamic threat to America. The group — which included former CIA Director R. James Woolsey and former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency Edward Soyster — called itself “Team B II.”

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But the counter-jihadists have taken this medieval concept and turned it into a devious trick that Muslims are using to hide their true violent intentions.

They assert that the peaceful interpretations of Islam offered by Muslim authorities are a form of taqiyya designed to obscure the true nature of Islam from gullible Westerners. They point to things like the 9/11 hijackers going to strip clubs and drinking alcohol as examples of terrorists using taqiyya to blend in. And while the 9/11 hijackers certainly did those things, and may even have tried to justify their actions by saying they were just trying to blend in, they were all Sunni Muslims and therefore never would’ve used the concept of taqiyya to justify their actions.

“Under Islamic law, lying is not only permissible, but obligatory for Muslims in some situations,” Team B II writes in its report. “What Muslim audiences are required to know about Islam is not the same thing as what non-Muslim Western audiences are allowed to know — or encouraged to think — by Islamic authorities.”


or even this this post-Covid wingnut gem?

The Islamic Requirement to Perform Taqiyya and Lie to Non-Muslims
Brightwork Research | December 8, 2020
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* Islam may be the most explicit {religion} in calling for the practice to deceive non-believers


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But, Bucky, you might be asking, what the hell does this have to do with Roe v Wade?
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