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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm just SO TIRED
I'm tired of sitting here watching everything I worked for, marched for, campaigned for, voted for, be slowly and methodically taken away. Some of it by elected officials, some of it by activist--yes, activist--judges, some of it by right-wing thugs who scream at me or sneer at me in the grocery store if I wear a mask, or at my voting place when I politely say "No thank you" when they try to shove a RepubliKKKan campaign leaflet or pre-marked "sample ballot" into my hands. I'm tired of being angry every day when I look at the news, even at DU, and see instances of one more Black or brown or young life being needlessly taken away by some cop on some ridiculous pretext. I'm tired of being told that my granddaughters will have fewer rights than I did if I don't DO something--as if I haven't spent the last 50+ years DOING SOMETHING already! I'm tired of hearing that "immigrants are ruining this country"---from people whose immigrant grandparents BUILT the damn country. I'm tired of watching my country go down the drain and feeling like I'm only one ancient voice screaming. I'm tired of living in this deterioration and knowing there's nowhere else I can go because I'm so old now that no other country will take me. I"m just...so..very..tired. Living in a constant state of despair and anger is exhausting.
Timewas
(2,608 posts)What she said............100%
NanceGreggs
(27,835 posts)Thank you for sharing your thoughts so eloquently.
LenaBaby61
(6,991 posts)brush
(61,033 posts)Deuxcents
(25,137 posts)Every word. I think you n I are about the same age.. Im so pissed n walking away from all this madness is not an option. Never, ever give up fighting the good fight ✊
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)Diamond_Dog
(39,496 posts)SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)And we have to always be on the night watch.
I hear ya.
It is exhausting.
dlk
(13,076 posts)n/t
Joinfortmill
(19,751 posts)PufPuf23
(9,675 posts)spanone
(140,843 posts)dweller
(27,644 posts)Of a political system that is composed of 2 parties, 1 who seems to want equality, fairness, bent on improving the lives of all citizens
And the other that wants to burn it all down, shrink government to a size that it can be drowned in a bathtub
Its no longer the same game, same playing field, same rules
My gut tells me something very soon is going to BLOW , and its not going to be pretty
and Im really, really tired of waking each day to a new atrocity from the opposing party hellbent on the destruction as their Hail Mary play
☹️
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KatK
(231 posts)Solly Mack
(96,220 posts)brer cat
(27,283 posts)I'm going to join a march next Sat. which I hope will reinvigorate me.
WinstonSmith4740
(3,408 posts)When Operation "Rescue" was grabbing the headlines, and my friends and I were out on the front lines defending clinics, we met an older woman who came out totally dressed in white. We had seen her at a few marches. She was an orginal suffregette, had marched for abortion rights in the early 70's, and was out defending them in the 90's. We were all in awe, and she told us she had been doing this since the 20's, and it would never end as long as old, scared, insecure men were running things,and we had to always remain on alert.
As I get ready to hit the streets again, I think about her a lot, because now I'm the "older woman" who's been doing this for 50 years, and yes, I'm tired of it. I'm tired of constantly being told I have to have a man's permission to do something, especially control what's happening with my own body. I mean, my own husband didn't think he had that right...somebody's else's should??? I want to scream when I hear this bullshit about "it's up to the legislature" NO IT'S NOT.
It's up to the woman involved. Period.
As we said back then...keep your laws off my body.
Brenda
(1,915 posts)is that there are way too many women, including an astonishingly large number of young women who are in the Pro Forced Birth camp. So it's not just the men running things, it's also the groomed ones they've brainwashed too. Just shocking to me that they don't understand what is happening.
But then again nearly everyone on Earth is shell shocked right now by the constant chaos.
WinstonSmith4740
(3,408 posts)I just retired from teaching, and because of what I taught (Health) the kids were more likely to open up and be honest with me, and I've seen a sea change in attitude, especially in the last 10 years. The positive side is they seem to be making better decisions regarding their sexual activity, and using protection if they are active. A lot are waiting...not so much for marriage, but for the right person and time. But they're pretty pragmatic. I taught at a Title1 school, so there was a lot of poverty, and these kids saw first hand what happens when a baby shows up. The girls also watched the important women in their lives get pregnant, and then basically abandoned with no support. But they never had the common experience that every woman in every former generation had...knowing someone who had an illegal abortion. If the family had the means to go to a private doctor, it was "taken care of" in the office. Like my mom, who told her doctor she COULDN'T be pregnant again, and she suddenly needed a biopsy on some uterine tissue. If the family didn't have the means, we all know how those turned out.
But even with the brainwashing that has been going on, if the shit hit the fan, they'd go to the local clinic. The basic attitude seems to be, "I wouldn't do it, but I'm not going to get up in your business." And now they're also seeing first hand WHY we did all that marching.
Hekate
(100,130 posts)I would like to believe the progress of my lifetime will not all be undone in the arc of my lifetime but it looks like its going to be a near thing. SCOTUS gutted the Voting Rights Act, remember?
This past week has been a living hell.

BigmanPigman
(54,452 posts)almost daily now. I am strong and stubborn but this BS is really frustrating me. I have been fighting my whole life. I chose not to have kids when I was young and the fucked up politics has always been one of the reasons for this choice. I could see it clearly when Reagun started this shit. 50 years of the same old crap, over and over and over, etc! I'm so tired...
Texasgal
(17,235 posts)This is all so exhausting and depressing.
I always knew there was a threat, but never did I imagine how all of our rights as women are being viciously stripped from us.
locks
(2,012 posts)of being told to turn off the tiv and stop worrying. I've been around a long, long time and what is happening to our country and the world is the saddest and most discouraging time I've known and I feel will not get better.
SleeplessinSoCal
(10,359 posts)I fear the zealots have figured out that they have no need for rules, regulations or laws that can't be broken. So long as they control the courts, which many a judge has perjured his/herself to ascend.
Why aren't we demanding honesty? The country is going down the tubes owing to complacency and timidity in the face of armed robbery.
AmBlue
(3,456 posts)Loud and clear, and feel much the same. Then I try to imagine what the Ukranians are going through. They inspire me so much... their courage, their strength. We just have to continue to fight. It seems to be a perpetual state.
Let's hang in there. I will if you will.
Grumpy Old Guy
(4,147 posts)...if our parents or grandparents felt this way in the lead-up to World War Two. Were they filled with an overwhelming dread, watching Fascism spread.around the globe, not even realizing how bad it would really get?
Fascists are trying to gain control of our country, and Europe is once again experiencing a bloody war. It will.probably get a lot worse before it gets better.
Forgive me for being pessimistic. I just feel I understand what they went through a little better now.
electric_blue68
(25,346 posts)LeftInTX
(34,008 posts)It was here on a small fringe scale, but the threat was in Europe and back then, Europe seemed much further away.
Roosevelt wanted to get involved with Europe, but not many here wanted to.
Grumpy Old Guy
(4,147 posts)However, my family was Jewish, and I'm sure they were hearing some of the stories from Germany.
Evolve Dammit
(21,373 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Just when I think it can't get any worse, it does, and I just can't handle the daily despair. I want to go live on an island somewhere and just cut myself off from the rest of the world.
soldierant
(9,216 posts)accepting the PepubliKKKlan literature, setting fire to it, and handing it back?
Just a thought.
StarryNite
(11,942 posts)I cant believe so many of us have gained so many rights in our lifetime that we should have had all along and now we are losing all that we gained.
pazzyanne
(6,739 posts)You speak for me! I cautiously opened a conversation with one of my nieces this weekend. I explained what I and other women have fought for rights over the years, including her Great Grandmother, who fought for the right for women to vote. I talked about all of the civil activities Great Grandma worked in to move women's rights forward. Then I told her all of the civil actions I was involved in to move civil rights and environmental issues forward over the years. That I joined The League of Women Voters and worked on get out the vote campaigns. We talked about the rights she and her generation have because of the work generations of previous women worked hard to put in place for their daughters, granddaughters, great granddaughters, etc. I ended with the fact that I am tired of the fight, and it is now time her generation to pick up the mantle if she wants the same rights for her children, grandchildren, etc. I tried to pass the torch to the future, because I and others like me won't be here to do the work. I pray she take heed!
Bayard
(28,177 posts)It is exhausting. Seems like my stomach is always upset, and my mind hurts.
Sometimes, I just have to turn it off for awhile.....watch an old episode of X-files, go dig in the garden, or play with the pupsters.
I would have never dreamed in my younger days that we would be accelerating backwards.
wnylib
(25,355 posts)we keep on fighting. Take some refreshing, reinvigorating R&R once in a while.
Tommymac
(7,334 posts)One generation advances progress, then the next yearns for the 'good old days' and attempts to go fully back to it, but never quite gets there as this locks in the interim step so the 3rd generation starts again from an advanced position compared to Gen 1.
A very good philosophical novel that explains this process very well is 'Lila: An Inquiry into Morals ' by Robert M. Pirsig.
Yes - the same 20th Century philosopher who brought us "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance". In fact Lila is the 'sequel'.
Lila is a much harder read and not nearly as popular as Zen, however if one takes the time to read and comprehend what Pirsig is trying to tell us it is actually the more powerful of the set.
I would recommend reading Zen first to fully understand the foundations of the philosophy Pirsig is attempting to develop, but it is not required.
From Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lila:_An_Inquiry_into_Morals :
On Edit: Found this gem (to me), though he has left this world in 2017, Pirsig's Third book is out: "he co-authored ... 'On Quality: An Inquiry Into Excellence: Selected and Unpublished Writings' (2022) along with his wife (now widow) and editor, Wendy Pirsig"
Cheezoholic
(3,472 posts)You're not the only "ancient" voice as this thread proves. The only thing "ancient" about any of this is the war. The reality is this is another battle in a war against oppression that has been going on for hundreds and hundreds of generations around the world. There are so many moments in human history where the many rise up against the few. Sometimes a little is gained and sticks, usually at huge sacrifice. I truly believe, even with the myriad of faults with this drastic experiment that is America, the sins of this country, that the piece of parchment that in principle guides not only us here, but fledgling democracies around the world, has led us to a time that is finally for real threatening the human trait of darwinian self centered dominance more than any time in human social history. That piece of paper, imo, is a culmination of lessons from every battle fought in this war over the last 3000 years.
As much as I personally share your weariness, as tired and frustrated as I find myself, as despair driven anger sometimes pushes me to the brink of hatred, I try and remind myself, this is how they win. I made a promise to myself many decades ago that every day the universe allows my now Model T conciseness to start with a bang bang and a puff of smoke as it ponders a new day, I will do whatever I can to fight in this battle. Not that I matter much but like one rain drop in an ocean I'm going to cause a miniscule ripple every single day to make the sea just a tiny bit rougher for them. Yes, that's a naive metaphor but it was something my grandmother told me whenever I felt like I was facing overwhelming diversity.
Work on your daily ripple, let's turn those ripples into a tsunami, we are so close
Grasswire2
(13,848 posts)Rising autocracy will exhaust the good people of a land with outrage after outrage deployed as spectacle.
Steve Bannon: "Flood the zone with sh*t)
Karl Rove: "Seize the daily news narrative by 5 p.m. each day."
That's what we experience, every day.
RocRizzo55
(980 posts)There are many millions of us.
BadgerMom
(3,373 posts)TY
Biophilic
(6,349 posts)hamsterjill
(16,883 posts)And I stay angry all the time. Im tired of the Republicans winning all the time. I want Trump charged. I want to see some justice.
As to womens rights, I cannot grasp how any woman could vote to take away her own rights. How any woman could support a Republican candidate. I have felt this way since the time I figured out that being able to control my body was central to having equality of any kind.
Im tired of having arguments against illogical thoughts and ideas. How did this country get so damn stupid? You cant even appeal to half of the population with facts and figures any more. They dont or wont understand.
This is all definitely taking a toll on so many of us. The pandemic. The economy. Simple rights. No justice. It tends to wear you down when you see the whole picture. Because you see that we are losing our way of life because some stupid assholes are so eager to give it away.
betsuni
(28,599 posts)Very tired of Democrats being blamed for everything.
Novara
(6,115 posts)I wasn't very politically aware in 1980 although I was just starting to be (typical self-absorbed teenager), and the reason I always say Reagan Ruined Everything is because up until then, I saw rights expanded, the Women's Movement was beginning to pay off Remember (the movie 9 to 5?), and I grew up in an era where fighting for justice usually paid off. The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. We lived it! I was proud to be a budding young feminist - things were happening! Positive things!
Then Reagan. And his version of nasty, revenge-fueled "conservatism." That's when things started going backward in a big way. And I remember being a young adult scratching my head wondering how in hell can you force a people backwards after so much progress? People won't go backwards willingly once they've tasted freedom and rights and validation for who they are. And ever since then, they've been trying with all their might to drag us all back to the stone age. And from what I can see now, the motherfuckers are succeeding.
Remember Iran in the late 70s - early 80s? How a once thriving, modern country forced its people to go backwards, based on bullshit theology? Women lost rights they enjoyed for years. Many people left rather than lose what they fought for. And I can completely understand why.
I don't have the stomach to pick up and move to another country. And I don't want to throw in the towel and give up. But GODDAMN, AM I DISCOURAGED.
Susan Calvin
(2,390 posts)But I have neither the youth nor the money.
And I really do feel right now like someone who is stuck in Nazi Germany.
llmart
(17,215 posts)I'm 73. I became a feminist when I was 16. I started reading everything I could about feminism. I've tried to think about what it was that made a teenager be so drawn to the "second wave" as it was referred to. I subscribed to Ms. from its first issue. It may have been my oldest sister's influence or the fact that my mother's life looked so unappealing to me (abusive husband, too many kids, poverty and the resultant depression she experienced), or just the basic notion that what I saw for girls and women was the unfairness of it all.
Yes, we're all tired and it feels like we want to quit and give up or turn it over to the younger women, but I'm retired and as my one sister says to me all the time, "What the hell else do we have to do with our time at this stage?" So, I'll fight until my dying day to rid ourselves of these damned men who want to control us in every way! I may be beyond my childbearing years, hell, even my own daughter is beyond her childbearing years, but I have one grandchild and one only and she's a girl and I'll be goddamned if she's going to have to fight this same battle when she's grown!!!
I got the loveliest Mother's Day gift from my son - a donation for a substantial amount made in my name to Planned Parenthood. If I've done nothing else in my life, I am so proud that I raised a feminist son. Today I will match that amount from my own savings. We older women may not be able to do what we did when we were younger, but some of us have more money now than we did in our younger days, so if we can at the very least donate to Democratic candidates across the nation - especially pro-choice women - then that's what we should do.
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stage left
(3,179 posts)I hear you. I'm so angry all the time. I found the other night that I was eating my supper with my left fist clenched. It's just overwhelming.
markie
(23,794 posts)inspiration and energy in numbers
intrepidity
(8,548 posts)Jakes Progress
(11,213 posts)ancianita
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LiberalLovinLug
(14,556 posts)I don't want to ignore the efforts in messaging they have made already, the speeches, and news guest appearances, but I feel they could use their bully pulpit to show more passion, cause more ripples, to wake up more of the sleepy general population before its too late. To express the dangerous slide to Fascism happening before our very eyes.
ONE State senator Mallory McMorrow one time shows a little emotion and it goes viral........and no other Democrat follows suit. Crickets. Like that's good enough. Democrats so pleased with themselves from that one time honest reaction that there's no need to repeat it I guess. Lets put the apples back in the cart quickly before anyone can accuse us of being shit disturbers.
I want every elected Democrat to make spectacles of themselves. To risk embarrassment. To go out on a limb. To make Tucker's face look even more worried. To be able to even express our frustration about this without getting a rebuke and shunning for being too "angry" about it like Ana Kasparian. While I didn't agree with everything she insinuated, she was spot on with most of her righteous anger. But her rant is too much for many here to even listen to I gather.
slightlv
(7,227 posts)It's not right that everything we did back in our teens and early 20's is being ripped and shredded into tiny pieces today. We thought we had made our country safer for ourselves, our daughters, and our granddaughters, at least. This isn't right. It isn't right to be called to do it all over again, when our bodies are no longer capable of standing, let alone marching, for short or long periods of time. I cry now for the future lost; I cry for what I see coming at us; I cry because I see no way to stop it. I cry because the only thing I ever see is "GOTV"... and it's just seems so pathetic a response with what the repugs are doing to us. How many of us votes will even count? Especially those of us on disability? I'm tired, too, and living in a sense of rage and despair, as well.
Someone above mentioned creating a commune. I kinda like that idea. We may have to think outside the box like that in order to survive and support each other, both physically and emotionally at some point. Ideally, I'd like it be outside of the U.S., but I haven't found any place that isn't as screwed up that would take us. Whatever happened to honoring the elders? (sigh)
Piasladic
(1,171 posts)I spent a fair bit brooding today about how my life would have been different if I'd gotten pregnant and had no option but to carry the pregnancy to term. I started thinking of when I was raped by brother when I was a kid. If I had gotten pregnant, I would have had to carry it to term...my brother rapist's child.
Frankly, I started thinking of the scare I had with a very nice fellow when I first got to college and was on birth control. It would have derailed our lives. He *cough* would have to support me, and I'd have to bear and probably raise it. I have absolutely no interest in being a mother.
Then I think of every man I've ever had sex with... what if I had gotten pregnant??? I'd have to have a child.
With contraception on the block (the pill!!), I figure I'd have had no choice but be celibate in my teens, 20s, and 30s... damn my 40s. If a guy lied to me and said he had had a vasectomy (maybe they'll outlaw that too) and got me pregnant... oh well... slut....
childfreebychoice
(476 posts)Became pres, we also predicted the rise of a trump like figure. We were so tired of fighting too, so we left. Only regret we didn't leave sooner. The amerikkka we see on tv today, is the amerikkka we blacks have always known. All of our friends and family who thought we were nuts, have either left, or are making plans to leave. Enjoying retirement and peace and quiet of being expat, and being citizen of new country.
KPN
(17,092 posts)usual demeanor when I let myself think hard on things these days at 70+ Jilly. Thank you for putting this to words graphically eloquent, artful and exacting words at that!
Evolve Dammit
(21,373 posts)marched in DC to protest the attack on a country that had no part in 9-11. They were all Saudis FCS. Only to have only C-Span and a 10-second spot on CNN, I thought to self: "Self, this is not America anymore." W, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell and Rice, the unitary executive, deficits don't matter, "Nation building", aluminum tubes, mushroom clouds, yellow cake uranium, WMD (that we gave Iraq when they were fighting Iran). Makes me think we have been fucked for a looooong time.
lees1975
(6,869 posts)WaterSong1951
(74 posts)I work for a global company who is supporting and publishing the ideas of diversity and inclusion along with ESG (Environmental, Social and Governance issues) they are baked into global business regulations- especially the management of investments - my question is: how are US businesses going to compete if Women are relegated to be humans with no power- the US business market will become a joke and will be seen as an impotent factor in world economics
electric_blue68
(25,346 posts)I've had lower energy these past 2+ years bc of covid - not bc I've gotten it (thank the powers, and I've done/do what I should be doing about it) but to counteract my winter SAD I depend on being extra out and about late April through early Oct in the parks & gardens of NYC. Covid has kept me inside 90%-95% of the time 2020 - first part '21.
Then 80% - 85% since vaxxed June - Sept '21.
It's just not enough time outside.
Add Drump's years, and his "permission" for in your face racism, and sexism, Jan 6, climate charge... And now
this SC draft0(!!!)?
I fear for all our younger women-sisters. Plus more people as other laws may be attacked. I feel like a deer in the headlights (disbelief*), and fury.
[*difference between knowing something terrible is going to probably happen vs when it actually happens!]
I'd call myself a semi activist of about 50 yrs (started mid teens). I remember seeing the signs on the 2 Women's March I went on the "I Can't Believe I STILL Have to March about THIS!" variety. Yup.😑
Thank goodness I'm not constantly angry. I have various
interests, and activities that bring me joy, laughter, wonderment, and creativity.
That balances my ability to keep up with the miasmas we're dealing with, and doing what I can to help.
And I'm so glad I found DU about 2 years ago. 👍