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Baitball Blogger

(46,703 posts)
Tue May 10, 2022, 11:02 AM May 2022

What the Florida Democrats are doing wrong.

Reposted from the Florida group.

I know there are progressives in Florida who are as frustrated as I am. Because we can't find new blood that can bridge all the differences in Florida, we keep defaulting to the past. Well, I can't address how to capture all the different kind of voters, but I do have this to add, regarding the loss of the South Florida vote:

I once took a class titled, People of the Carribean and latin American culture. (Or something along those lines.) What the Anglo-oriented, old boy Florida Dems needed to do, and failed to do, was to reach out to academics like the teacher who taught that class, and ask them a simple question: Do you believe that the socialism that occurred in Latin America, can happen here? They will tell you no because the socio-political factors are different. And they will tell you no because the main reason that socialism got out of hand in Latin America was because there was a 10-90 split in resources. Ten percent of the people (Really, more like 1%) had all the wealth and resources, and everyone else was dirt poor. No middle class, like we have here. Just dirt poor.

So, when a military-minded socialist would show up it was easy to capture the support of the people because they were destitute and desperate. I mean, third world desperate. Not what we have in America. Toppling over the wealthy families, who were in the minority, was not difficult. It didn't take much. And, yes, the countries were disrupted quickly; and yes, those that made it through have a nasty story to tell.

That is not likely to happen here in America. We have a middle class. Though I don't know for how long because Republican policies are taking us closer to a 1% - 99% split. And because we have first world views on what constitutes poverty. Because of that, we might get toppled over in a similar, but not the same manner. And De Santis is representing that take over.

The old guard Florida Dems need help and as a voter, I am giving permission to anyone outside this State with ideas to come in and tell them that their time is over and they need to start listening. They can start by getting more latino and latina representation in their party.

There are still pitfalls to worry about, even with their help. Latin Americans who enjoyed that top 10% wealth in their countries know the benefit of living in a country where everyone is hungry and poor. They get cheap labor, which allows them to hold onto more of their money and status. THOSE people will tend to be Republicans.

I always find it galling that Anglo, conservative Americans don't fully understand the world they're pushing us towards. By interfering with education and creating financial hardship on people, they are driving us closer to the very situation that everyone wants to avoid. They really don't see the world they're creating by keeping the hourly wage low, for example. They see themselves always in that top 10%, and if they find themselves struggling, it is always someone else's fault. Never do they look inward to see how they're adding to the equation.

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What the Florida Democrats are doing wrong. (Original Post) Baitball Blogger May 2022 OP
Well stated. I really think Dem losses, FL & elsewhere, are due to old guard being too out of touch dutch777 May 2022 #1
Someone in the Florida group advanced that idea further. Baitball Blogger May 2022 #2
K&R! nt Carlitos Brigante May 2022 #3
Since 2014 I keep trying to volunteer obamanut2012 May 2022 #4
I know what you mean about being a poll watcher in Florida. Baitball Blogger May 2022 #6
Everyone else was dirt poor. Like we have here. Except they don't believe it. taxi May 2022 #5
The Republicans have marketing ideas. Baitball Blogger May 2022 #7
Thanks for bringing this up appalachiablue May 2022 #8

dutch777

(3,013 posts)
1. Well stated. I really think Dem losses, FL & elsewhere, are due to old guard being too out of touch
Tue May 10, 2022, 11:56 AM
May 2022

And as stated, it hurts the very people Dem policies have historically helped, those that just need a bit of a hand up. And will affect us all to the negative in the long term.

Baitball Blogger

(46,703 posts)
2. Someone in the Florida group advanced that idea further.
Tue May 10, 2022, 12:09 PM
May 2022

Reaching to all the groups is difficult, but it doesn't help that the old guard Dems are MIA. Not messaging anything.

I responded this way, and I am reposting hoping that the federal level politicians like Bernie and Ocasio-Cortez listen. I think when the right attacked socialism as a slander, both Bernie and Ocasio-Cortez missed a good opportunity to educate the American voter.

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Fresh blood would help in revitalizing the State.

Take a page from Stacey Abrams. It has to be someone who resonates well within their own group. And then, from there, there must be cross-over issues to capture everyone else. But the most important thing is that she represented change. What Florida Dem represents change? They haven't even addressed what change is wanted, or desired. That's because they don't want change. And that's why people are lethargic about going to vote.

But, there's a larger lesson for progressives to use to push their message, like Bernie and Ocasio-Cortez. What brought on hardcore socialist take-overs in Latin America was the deplorable, extreme human condition of the people. So, the lesson for America is to make sure that the country addresses the problem of poverty to make sure that our country is not vulnerable to that kind of take-over. Sometimes you have to give a little to make our country stronger.

obamanut2012

(26,068 posts)
4. Since 2014 I keep trying to volunteer
Tue May 10, 2022, 02:05 PM
May 2022

As a poll watcher, and election official, and I have literally been snickered at and told I can make cold calls (I am not doing that, I literally can't). They will not let anyone but their retiree buddies from the tri-state area do anything, usually their kinda rich bodies. It is awful.

I am very glad Berman is my senator, but she has no power at all.

I love Nikki FRied, but we all know DeSantis is going to be reelected -- he wouldn't be doing all of this if his internals weren't great. I'm gay, I'm scared. I thought my time of being scared for being gay ended years ago.

God, I wish Gwen Graham had won.

Baitball Blogger

(46,703 posts)
6. I know what you mean about being a poll watcher in Florida.
Tue May 10, 2022, 03:18 PM
May 2022

One of their regulars was out for some reason and I got tapped to do the job. I was in the wrong place at the right time, I guess. The whole time I was there I was told by the other election workers in the location that I shouldn't get too comfortable because the spot belonged to one of their friends.

So I got to watch what everyone who was a regular was doing. Two of them just hung around doing nothing. Literally chatting coffee clutch bullshit to each other. Even tried to pull me into one of the stupid fishing-reveal conversations that are so common around here. "So what have you ever done behind your husband's back?"

Such low class, sleazy people around here.

taxi

(1,896 posts)
5. Everyone else was dirt poor. Like we have here. Except they don't believe it.
Tue May 10, 2022, 03:06 PM
May 2022

It's this whole middle class thing that makes no sense. There are people living in poverty who believe they are middle class. They believe it because they are told that you have to be in poverty to qualify for benefits, and they know that they're not going to get approved. Obviously that means the government doesn't think that their life is a life of poverty. And it certainly isn't in the upper class, so the government says it's middle class. It is with this attitude/belief that DeSantis and republican policies are able to take us closer to that 1/99 split - everyone thinks they're middle class and maybe they wonder why the democratic party supports social safety nets and giving things away to people to people who have less than themselves. It's easy for them to buy into republicans marketing of democrats as elitist. Whether this is or isn't something that Florida democrats are doing wrong, it is just another example of how republicans treat people.

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