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tblue37

(68,379 posts)
Fri May 13, 2022, 12:24 PM May 2022

Eric Swalwell tweet:

You know who had a heartbeat? Every child murdered in their school because Republicans are the party of mass shooters. This isn’t about heartbeats. This is about criminalizing women.


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Eric Swalwell tweet: (Original Post) tblue37 May 2022 OP
K & R . . . Lovie777 May 2022 #1
Keep repeating this at every opportunity. MontanaMama May 2022 #2
Absolutely! SheltieLover May 2022 #3
K&R Bayard May 2022 #4
The Catholic Church does not officially accept that a fetus is alive and has a soul csziggy May 2022 #5
To my knowledge, the CC does NOT believe Eyeball_Kid May 2022 #7
Inconsistent philosophy is a hallmark of the RC church. BarbD May 2022 #8
From the Vatican Playbook...the Catechism AngryOldDem May 2022 #10
The problem here is that the tweet is entirely incorrect FBaggins May 2022 #14
When we had our first child die during an emergency c-section Bettie May 2022 #20
Truth Leith May 2022 #6
But these kids were already born. AngryOldDem May 2022 #9
Republicans believe kids' lives are precious. sop May 2022 #13
Rt TY Rep Swalwell gets to the Cha May 2022 #11
Good point, Rep. Swalwell... Upthevibe May 2022 #12
I wish that I could recommend this tweet a thousand times...... California Kid May 2022 #15
Nailed it! dlk May 2022 #16
Love Rep. Swalwell! Evolve Dammit May 2022 #17
I love him. samplegirl May 2022 #18
Absolutely spot on! niyad May 2022 #19
Kick BlueWavePsych May 2022 #21
K&R Solly Mack May 2022 #22
Criminalizing women is right lindysalsagal May 2022 #23
KnR MiHale May 2022 #24

MontanaMama

(24,682 posts)
2. Keep repeating this at every opportunity.
Fri May 13, 2022, 01:27 PM
May 2022

Republicans are the party of mass shooters, insurrectionists and government over reach into the lives of private citizens.

csziggy

(34,189 posts)
5. The Catholic Church does not officially accept that a fetus is alive and has a soul
Fri May 13, 2022, 01:54 PM
May 2022



The Catholic Church will not baptize a full term still born child that a mother gave birth to. Not only they won’t baptize the baby they WILL NOT allow the baby to have a funeral mass. Reasons is the baby never took a breath. Tell me how the CC believes life begins a conception.— Niticlips (@nitisac) May 12, 2022

Eyeball_Kid

(7,604 posts)
7. To my knowledge, the CC does NOT believe
Fri May 13, 2022, 02:16 PM
May 2022

that life begins at conception. It declares that a fetus is POTENTIAL human life that only begins when God infuses a fetus with a soul. The CC can only estimate when that moment occurs. Aquinas believed in the notion that a soul is infused when the fetus becomes viable, or capable of independent functioning. The evangelicals inundated the Christian world with the revisionist notion that human life begins at conception. Some sects of the CC have also adopted that view.

BarbD

(1,386 posts)
8. Inconsistent philosophy is a hallmark of the RC church.
Fri May 13, 2022, 02:18 PM
May 2022

When does the soul enter the body? Even the Jesuits can't agree on this one. They also don't know when this elusive "soul" leaves the body. Thus they capriciously make rules based on fuzzy thinking.

AngryOldDem

(14,180 posts)
10. From the Vatican Playbook...the Catechism
Fri May 13, 2022, 03:03 PM
May 2022
2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.72

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.73
My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth.74


Ex-Catholic here.

What you cite is one more glaring inconsistency with how Catholics use the catechism to advance whatever narrative they have. It was thought at one time that such babies went directly to Limbo. Now, the verbiage is they are “commended to God’s mercy,” since they were not baptized (the automatic ticket to the Pearly Gates). There are some rites that can be said, but no funeral Mass.

I cannot begin to tell you how cruel that is to a grieving parent. I know — I was one. But I think most priests don’t believe that bullshit either. Mine didn’t.

Compare this with how some Catholics view the death penalty. It’s pretty clear in the CCC that it should only be used in the most extreme of circumstances, and that given all the ways to protect society, it should be rarely, IF EVER, used. Thus, the context is clear that the Church does not support it. Yet, you hear some say it’s permissible, totally ignoring that context.

To be consistent, Catholics should follow the “seamless garment” argument that all life is precious and should be protected and honored from cradle to grave, if they are such good Catholics as they claim to be.

Left all this behind several years ago and never looked back. I was a convert, so I never fully bought most of that faith in the first place anyway.

FBaggins

(28,678 posts)
14. The problem here is that the tweet is entirely incorrect
Fri May 13, 2022, 03:30 PM
May 2022

The CC doesn't baptize stillborn children because they believe that baptism is for the living...

... and they absolutely allow a funeral mass for stillborn.

Bettie

(19,499 posts)
20. When we had our first child die during an emergency c-section
Sat May 14, 2022, 08:03 AM
May 2022

the state of Illinois would not issue a death certificate or birth certificate. She was listed as "products of conception" on my medical records. *ETA: At 42 weeks of pregnancy.

Since then, I understand that the state does issue some form of certificate for a stillbirth or an intrapartum death.

But, if a fertilized egg is a person, there are a lot more people who should be getting child tax credits annually, based on the number of miscarriages!

Leith

(7,864 posts)
6. Truth
Fri May 13, 2022, 01:57 PM
May 2022

I knew that rethugs could not be reasoned with and they would not stop after the Sandy Hook Massacre. They were satisfied with school shootings then (remember that their 2A rights trump anyone else's dead kid) and they don't give a damn about them now.

Now watch the murderous collaborating snowflakes whine about the insult. Let them cry.

AngryOldDem

(14,180 posts)
9. But these kids were already born.
Fri May 13, 2022, 02:36 PM
May 2022

These fucks wanting to get rid of Roe only care about the preborn, in most cases a clump of cells that may develop human characteristics.

As Carlin said, once you leave the delivery room, you’re on your own, kid.

Everybody sees through this shit, including those who are pushing it.

sop

(18,070 posts)
13. Republicans believe kids' lives are precious.
Fri May 13, 2022, 03:15 PM
May 2022

Just not as precious as the guns used to kill them.

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