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Sat May 14, 2022, 04:52 AM

Covid ba.2 in New England:

All the NE states except New Hampshire are back over 50 cases per 100000. Rhode Island is at 72.
It had looked like there was a plateau in April but now cases are heading north again.
I'm back to wearing a mask and I don't like masks.
It's not obvious to me why this won't spread to the rest of the country.

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Reply Covid ba.2 in New England: (Original post)
Tomconroy May 14 OP
Meowmee May 14 #1
progree May 14 #2
unc70 May 14 #5
progree May 14 #12
unc70 May 14 #20
progree May 14 #21
Tomconroy May 14 #6
progree May 14 #18
thucythucy May 14 #3
Dorian Gray May 14 #4
dem4decades May 14 #8
Dorian Gray May 14 #26
liberal_mama May 14 #17
Dorian Gray May 14 #25
liberal_mama Sunday #35
Dorian Gray Sunday #43
Ace Rothstein May 14 #22
Dorian Gray May 14 #24
Ace Rothstein May 14 #28
Roland99 May 14 #7
Samrob May 14 #10
Blues Heron May 14 #11
Roland99 May 14 #23
Demsrule86 May 14 #19
Tomconroy Sunday #41
Tickle May 14 #9
roamer65 May 14 #13
panader0 May 14 #15
roamer65 May 14 #16
liberal_mama May 14 #14
Meowmee May 14 #29
Ms. Toad Sunday #32
liberal_mama Sunday #34
Ms. Toad Sunday #37
Skittles May 14 #27
Ms. Toad Sunday #31
keep_left Sunday #33
Ms. Toad Sunday #30
BannonsLiver Sunday #36
Tomconroy Sunday #38
BannonsLiver Sunday #39
Tomconroy Sunday #40
Tomconroy Sunday #42

Response to Tomconroy (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2022, 05:40 AM

1. We are at 9.9 % pos rate now up from 6% last week I think

65.8 cases per 100,000. I saw more people with masks yesterday but still not many. We never stopped- n95 everywhere.

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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2022, 06:02 AM

2. Do you know why North America is the only region with growing cases? TIA.

And since Canada is declining, its really the U.S. the only region with growing cases.

I might be over-simplifying a bit, but as far as regions that have high case counts and sizable populations to move the world total needle, the U.S. is it. Most of the world is moving downward with the exception of a few countries like Taiwan, and to some extent, Japan and Australia..

South America may be moving up but its at a very low level presently.

In particular, Europe, which was the world's hot spot for a long time, is declining.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-cases.html

See especially "Cases by region" where the only line moving up is the red line which is "U.S. and Canada", and like I said before, Canada is declining, so that line's upward movement is all due to the U.S..

Late Edit to add the referred to graph --

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Response to progree (Reply #2)

Sat May 14, 2022, 07:02 AM

5. North America is not the only region increasing

If you look at the details by country, the story is quite different. The invection rates in the US have started to increase again but are still lower than much of Western Europe (e.g. Italy, France, Germany, Portugal, Ireland) where rates are also increasing. Australia and NZ are hot spots.

Death rates are mostly still declining, in part because that is a lagging indicator.

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Response to unc70 (Reply #5)

Sat May 14, 2022, 12:24 PM

12. That's why I specified REGIONS as opposed to some individual countries here and there

Last edited Sat May 14, 2022, 01:30 PM - Edit history (1)

and I specified INCREASING. I'm also well aware that the U.S. has lower rates than many countries. I wasn't enumerating hot spots, I can see the colors on the map.

I was pointing out the lines in the "Cases by Region" graph.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-cases.html



I think the U.S. + Canada is quite the anomaly in that graph as they define regions. I still do. (And I should mention again that cases in Canada are decreasing, so the strong upward trend of the red line is all due to the U.S.)

Again, I realize that there are countries here and there in other parts of the world that are also rising, and I mentioned some.

I had hoped to spur a discussion of the graph, as opposed to getting into a game of looking for individual countries and sub-regions that are bucking the overall trend.

For well over a month, I have been daily watching the world total new cases falling, as well as all those regions in the graph above, with the exception that the U.S.+Canada (really the U.S.) has been rising.

I should have included, as far as REGIONS with rising counts, Australia and New Zealand as they are slightly rising and certainly deserve the designation of region geographically. But their combined population is 31 million -- less than 1/10 of the U.S or Europe, and I also specified rising enough to move the world total needle, and their level of increase barely changes that.

As for "much of Western Europe (e.g. Italy, France, Germany, Portugal, Ireland) where rates are also increasing." I'd say most of Western Europe is decreasing. Of the 5 countries mentioned, Italy, France, and Germany are decreasing. It is true that Portugal and Ireland are increasing.



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Response to progree (Reply #12)

Sat May 14, 2022, 02:28 PM

20. Most Western European rates are much higher than USA

While it is true that rates are decreasing in those three countries, their rates are much higher than in the US. Rates are generally 2 or 3 times higher than in the US. Just as with US states, rates in various countries pulse up and down as variants arrive.

I have been watching these numbers very closely with a trained eye, but for personal reasons -- I will be in Italy and Portugal within a few days.

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Response to unc70 (Reply #20)

Sat May 14, 2022, 02:38 PM

21. Yup, I was talking about whether rates are increasing or decreasing, not whether the rates are high

or low.

Have a good and safe time in Europe.

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Response to progree (Reply #2)

Sat May 14, 2022, 07:12 AM

6. South Africa is currently getting hit with ba.4&5. Cases rising.

So we have something to look forward to.

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Response to Tomconroy (Reply #6)

Sat May 14, 2022, 12:54 PM

18. Yes, I've been noticing South Africa - every time I look at the map, it's a darker color

I'm hoping it doesn't lead the world in this again like it did with original Omicron starting back last November.

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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2022, 06:41 AM

3. Doesn't the virus understand how tired we are of wearing masks?

Doesn't it know how much we long to get back to "normal"--you know, our usual posture of ignoring the needs of anyone other than ourselves?

After all, this is 'Merica! To defeat fascism our forebears put up with gas and food rationing, blackout curtains, curfews, a universal draft. All so we wouldn't have to bear the unbearable: wearing a piece of cloth on our faces, keeping a reasonable distance. And then, two years into the war, everyone decided they were tired with all that nonsense, declared victory, and moved on! Isn't that how it worked? So why can't we do that now?

Think of the children who can't see each other's faces during active shooter drills! Think of the mega-corporations and their millionaire and billionaire owners! How can they be expected to thrive without packed malls and subservient workers?

O the humanity!




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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2022, 06:49 AM

4. It's hitting NYC hard

my daughter has it I don't (as of yet), but since I'm not isolating from her, I suspect I will. (Though we're about to test the efficacy of second moderna booster. I got it a month ago!)

I'm not surprised we brought it home. While she wears her mask in school, cases are definitely high and it's everywhere right now.

Luckily she's past the worst part. (Fever for two days. Sore throat. After 3 days, symptom free. Just tired. She's 11 and a half, so got the children's Pfizer vaccine.) She's been sleeping with me (I work from home and had second booster so we felt I was more protected) so that my husband could isolate in the other room. (Missing work is more complicated for him.)

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Response to Dorian Gray (Reply #4)

Sat May 14, 2022, 07:46 AM

8. Maybe not, my daughter in law tested positive, and is now negative, and my son did not. Unless he

had it first and had no symptoms. A friend I play golf with had it run through his household of him, his wife, and his mother-in-law.

Of all of them, runny noses, cold symptoms, and tiredness were the primary complaints. The 90+ year old did have diarrhea, vomiting and a mild fever but all have recovered. And all were vaccinated and boosted.

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #8)

Sat May 14, 2022, 10:23 PM

26. Aw, happy

they all recovered well. And I've heard so many stories about people who didn't get it even with close contacts in their households. It seems so random. My friend's son got it a day before my daughter did, and she's still covid free too. (THey're on day 6, we are on day 5.) I guess with vaccines and boosters, it makes some sense.

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Response to Dorian Gray (Reply #4)

Sat May 14, 2022, 12:53 PM

17. My daughter and her husband left yesterday for a 5 day vacation in NYC

She rationalized that NYC is only in "medium" transmission, while the county in New York we live in (Erie County) is in "high." So she says she will be safer in NYC. But they took a plane, will be eating in restaurants, going in crowded areas, so I'm very worried.

My husband had Covid in January and my son and I didn't catch it. We took precautions and wore masks around him. I hope you stay Covid free too.

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Response to liberal_mama (Reply #17)

Sat May 14, 2022, 10:20 PM

25. Thank you

Fingers crossed for us.

Your daughter will have fun. Masks are commonly worn here, so if they try to keep them on in crowded places, they should have fun. My daughter took hers off at a dance recital, and that seemed to have dinged her. (We eat in restaurants, though try to do less crowded ones at off hours. Plus you can get good tables at hard to reserve places that way.)

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Response to Dorian Gray (Reply #25)

Sun May 15, 2022, 01:57 PM

35. Yesterday, my daughter & her husband went to Katz's Deli and sent me a picture of them waiting

in a very long line to even get in. They ate inside the restaurant. Katz's is my favorite restaurant when my husband and I visit NYC so I know how crowded it can be at lunch time.

For dinner, they went to Nobu, which I'm sure was a little less crowded.

I'm worried for her. I would have gotten the sandwiches to go!

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Response to liberal_mama (Reply #35)

Sun May 15, 2022, 09:18 PM

43. Sounds like they're

having great food! Hope they stay healthy!

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Response to Dorian Gray (Reply #4)

Sat May 14, 2022, 02:41 PM

22. Both of our kids had it at different times and nobody else in our household caught it.

My wife and I got it at her work party a week ago tonight. We probably had about 24 hours of flu-like symptoms then it moved into a cold-like illness with some fatigue.

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Response to Ace Rothstein (Reply #22)

Sat May 14, 2022, 10:16 PM

24. It's like that, right?

Glad you got past it. My daughter had two days of fever but is good now. I'm waiting for it to hit me still. lol. I feel like a sitting duck. But maybe I'll be lucky.

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Response to Dorian Gray (Reply #24)

Sat May 14, 2022, 11:10 PM

28. Yep.

I've also seen the average time from infection to symptoms with Omicron is like 2.2 days. My wife and I literally got sick at the same time on Monday and have had roughly the same symptoms and recovery curve. She didn't lose her taste like I did but she's in much better shape than me so I thought it would hit me a bit harder. I wish you well.

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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2022, 07:22 AM

7. Has the hospitalization rate started to climb?

Hospitalization and death rates matter more at this point due to the general level of vaccination

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #7)

Sat May 14, 2022, 08:20 AM

10. Give it six weeks. nt

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #7)

Sat May 14, 2022, 08:37 AM

11. Yes - in New England (HHS region 1) hospitalizations are up 10 percent from the previous week

Deaths in Massachusetts have doubled to 10/day from about 5/day at the beginning of April.

Check the CDC tracker https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/




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Response to Blues Heron (Reply #11)

Sat May 14, 2022, 04:22 PM

23. :(

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #7)

Sat May 14, 2022, 01:33 PM

19. No it hasn't and I had Covid recently...it came with mild flu like symptoms.

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #7)

Sun May 15, 2022, 07:41 PM

41. The hospitalization rate in CT has started to climb. However

per the NY Times chart the increase is overwhelmingly among those over 70. The increase in other groups including those between 60 and 69 is quite small. I'll hazard a guess that almost all those over 70s in the hospital didn't get boosters.
David Leonhardt in the Times a year ago predicted each Covid wave would be more infectious and less fatal and that's what has happened for whatever reason.

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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2022, 08:12 AM

9. Lots of sober

houses are in lock down because of Covid ba-2

So far no hospitalization from any of the houses in my area 🤞🤞

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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2022, 12:33 PM

13. Get your second booster, folks.

Stay boosted!

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #13)

Sat May 14, 2022, 12:53 PM

15. Getting mine tomorrow.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #15)

Sat May 14, 2022, 12:53 PM

16. ..

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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2022, 12:48 PM

14. In my county in New York, we have been at over 500 cases per 100,000 for a while now

People are running around without masks while Covid rips through the community. Most people don't check the case rates anymore and think Covid is over.

As an immune compromised person, I am really tired of being terrorized by Covid. My husband is an essential worker who is not careful and doesn't wear a mask unless there is a mandate.

This is a highly contagious strain and people need to take all precautions to prevent getting it. Our hospitalizations have been going back up as well. In my area, they are rationing the Paxlovid now.

Zeke Emmanuel wrote a good piece for the Washington Post about why he is still wearing a mask and taking precautions to avoid long Covid and long term complications. And he's kind of a death ghoul. He's the guy who thinks people should die at 75 years old, so I take it seriously when he wants to be cautious.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/12/stop-dismissing-long-covid-pandemic-symptoms/

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Response to liberal_mama (Reply #14)

Sat May 14, 2022, 11:21 PM

29. The rationing worries me

We know if it gets really bad we won’t get the treatment prolly unless you are rich or have connections. I am getting my fourth shot this week and will get another in the fall if recommended then. I am so tired of this too. Also in ny but we have far less cases per 100,000 so far but who knows if many people who have it are even getting tested. We never stopped masking. N95 everywhere.

I agree with a lot of what he says but not that long covid is the main reason to keep masking. Stopping new variants, severe illness and deaths etc is imo. I have along covid, I just call it lh or damage from covid which seems chronic now. I hope it doesn’t get any worse. My father had a lot more and more severe damage than me.

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Response to liberal_mama (Reply #14)

Sun May 15, 2022, 12:31 AM

32. This opinion deserves its own OP. n/t

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #32)

Sun May 15, 2022, 01:49 PM

34. Especially since the opinion was written by Zeke Emmanual

That says a lot because we all know how he is. He's always been very controversial. I guess Zeke doesn't mind dying, but he doesn't want to be disabled or chronically ill.

He's right though that people should be avoiding getting infected. I live in an area that's been hit by Covid surges many times and I know a lot of people who are suffering from long haul Covid issues, including my own husband.

I am immune compromised with diabetes, lupus, and psoriasis. It's hell to be chronically ill. I'm totally puzzled that people are just lining up to get infected and gambling with their health like this.

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Response to liberal_mama (Reply #34)

Sun May 15, 2022, 02:37 PM

37. Yes.

He makes the point I've been trying to make - that it's not just dying we need to worry about. We need to worry about the known and unknown consequences. Wiring about that means focusing on prevention, in addition to decreasing severity in the short term.

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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)

Sat May 14, 2022, 10:25 PM

27. because of all the stupid selfish assholes who stopped masking

it's making a comeback

who could have seen that coming?

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Response to Skittles (Reply #27)

Sun May 15, 2022, 12:28 AM

31. Yup.

Including a bunch of "stupid selfish assholes" who are on our side of the political aisle and proudly post here about how they are done with COVID.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #27)

Sun May 15, 2022, 12:39 AM

33. I just don't understand why there hasn't been a stronger government response to this, even at...

...this late date. Maybe everyone has just given up. In the first days of his term, Biden did come out strong about how serious the pandemic was and the need for the country to pull together in an emergency. But then the will to follow through just never materialized. I'm sure that seeing so many MAGA chuds willing to believe the most insane conspiracy theories, attending super-spreader rallies, acting like mask mandates were the sufferings of Job--that would demoralize anyone. The problem is that even if we do get new vaccines that are better tuned to the new variants, we are still going to be a petri dish for Covid mutation for the foreseeable future if half the country refuses those vaccines.

At the very least, more vaccine mandates will be needed, and a lot more mRNA vaccines have to get shipped to the rest of the world that don't have working vaccines (or any vaccines). Good luck with that.

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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2022, 12:27 AM

30. It will.

My county is already double that number. It's been going up since mid-March, but I keep getting told by a bunch of folks here that no one cares.

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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)

Sun May 15, 2022, 02:14 PM

36. Experts are out fighting for their online relevancy

I guess all the adulation from the fall/winter was addictive. Who knew the same people were smoking cigs and dining out the whole time? Does that make them hypocrites? I think it does.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #36)

Sun May 15, 2022, 02:38 PM

38. Although I'm putting on a mask again there is no real

world evidence that it does much good. During Omicron the Northeast states where mask compliance was pretty good seemed to do no better than the states where mask compliance was poor.
I guess the feeling of civic virtue gives people a psychological boost. So there's that.

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Response to Tomconroy (Reply #38)

Sun May 15, 2022, 02:39 PM

39. Wasn't taking about you tom

I should have been more clear.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #39)

Sun May 15, 2022, 02:43 PM

40. Oh, I know. I was just taking a roundabout shot at the covid

contingent. I learned long ago it's a waste of time to confront them directly.
Cheers!

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #39)

Sun May 15, 2022, 07:53 PM

42. PS: since I've done the only thing that actually is proven to

prevent serious illness - vaccinations and boosters - I have long ago resumed my normal life. Just got back from a plane trip to Florida, going to the theater next week, dine out all the time, have another rock concert in June.
I am long since done with Covid!

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