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Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
Sat May 14, 2022, 04:52 AM May 2022

Covid ba.2 in New England:

All the NE states except New Hampshire are back over 50 cases per 100000. Rhode Island is at 72.
It had looked like there was a plateau in April but now cases are heading north again.
I'm back to wearing a mask and I don't like masks.
It's not obvious to me why this won't spread to the rest of the country.

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Covid ba.2 in New England: (Original Post) Tomconroy May 2022 OP
We are at 9.9 % pos rate now up from 6% last week I think Meowmee May 2022 #1
Do you know why North America is the only region with growing cases? TIA. progree May 2022 #2
North America is not the only region increasing unc70 May 2022 #5
That's why I specified REGIONS as opposed to some individual countries here and there progree May 2022 #12
Most Western European rates are much higher than USA unc70 May 2022 #20
Yup, I was talking about whether rates are increasing or decreasing, not whether the rates are high progree May 2022 #21
South Africa is currently getting hit with ba.4&5. Cases rising. Tomconroy May 2022 #6
Yes, I've been noticing South Africa - every time I look at the map, it's a darker color progree May 2022 #18
Doesn't the virus understand how tired we are of wearing masks? thucythucy May 2022 #3
It's hitting NYC hard Dorian Gray May 2022 #4
Maybe not, my daughter in law tested positive, and is now negative, and my son did not. Unless he dem4decades May 2022 #8
Aw, happy Dorian Gray May 2022 #26
My daughter and her husband left yesterday for a 5 day vacation in NYC liberal_mama May 2022 #17
Thank you Dorian Gray May 2022 #25
Yesterday, my daughter & her husband went to Katz's Deli and sent me a picture of them waiting liberal_mama May 2022 #35
Sounds like they're Dorian Gray May 2022 #43
Both of our kids had it at different times and nobody else in our household caught it. Ace Rothstein May 2022 #22
It's like that, right? Dorian Gray May 2022 #24
Yep. Ace Rothstein May 2022 #28
Has the hospitalization rate started to climb? Roland99 May 2022 #7
Give it six weeks. nt Samrob May 2022 #10
Yes - in New England (HHS region 1) hospitalizations are up 10 percent from the previous week Blues Heron May 2022 #11
:( Roland99 May 2022 #23
No it hasn't and I had Covid recently...it came with mild flu like symptoms. Demsrule86 May 2022 #19
The hospitalization rate in CT has started to climb. However Tomconroy May 2022 #41
Lots of sober Tickle May 2022 #9
Get your second booster, folks. roamer65 May 2022 #13
Getting mine tomorrow. panader0 May 2022 #15
.. roamer65 May 2022 #16
In my county in New York, we have been at over 500 cases per 100,000 for a while now liberal_mama May 2022 #14
The rationing worries me Meowmee May 2022 #29
This opinion deserves its own OP. n/t Ms. Toad May 2022 #32
Especially since the opinion was written by Zeke Emmanual liberal_mama May 2022 #34
Yes. Ms. Toad May 2022 #37
because of all the stupid selfish assholes who stopped masking Skittles May 2022 #27
Yup. Ms. Toad May 2022 #31
I just don't understand why there hasn't been a stronger government response to this, even at... keep_left May 2022 #33
It will. Ms. Toad May 2022 #30
Experts are out fighting for their online relevancy BannonsLiver May 2022 #36
Although I'm putting on a mask again there is no real Tomconroy May 2022 #38
Wasn't taking about you tom BannonsLiver May 2022 #39
Oh, I know. I was just taking a roundabout shot at the covid Tomconroy May 2022 #40
PS: since I've done the only thing that actually is proven to Tomconroy May 2022 #42

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
1. We are at 9.9 % pos rate now up from 6% last week I think
Sat May 14, 2022, 05:40 AM
May 2022

65.8 cases per 100,000. I saw more people with masks yesterday but still not many. We never stopped- n95 everywhere.

progree

(10,945 posts)
2. Do you know why North America is the only region with growing cases? TIA.
Sat May 14, 2022, 06:02 AM
May 2022

And since Canada is declining, its really the U.S. the only region with growing cases.

I might be over-simplifying a bit, but as far as regions that have high case counts and sizable populations to move the world total needle, the U.S. is it. Most of the world is moving downward with the exception of a few countries like Taiwan, and to some extent, Japan and Australia..

South America may be moving up but its at a very low level presently.

In particular, Europe, which was the world's hot spot for a long time, is declining.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-cases.html

See especially "Cases by region" where the only line moving up is the red line which is "U.S. and Canada", and like I said before, Canada is declining, so that line's upward movement is all due to the U.S..

Late Edit to add the referred to graph --

unc70

(6,128 posts)
5. North America is not the only region increasing
Sat May 14, 2022, 07:02 AM
May 2022

If you look at the details by country, the story is quite different. The invection rates in the US have started to increase again but are still lower than much of Western Europe (e.g. Italy, France, Germany, Portugal, Ireland) where rates are also increasing. Australia and NZ are hot spots.

Death rates are mostly still declining, in part because that is a lagging indicator.

progree

(10,945 posts)
12. That's why I specified REGIONS as opposed to some individual countries here and there
Sat May 14, 2022, 12:24 PM
May 2022

Last edited Sat May 14, 2022, 01:30 PM - Edit history (1)

and I specified INCREASING. I'm also well aware that the U.S. has lower rates than many countries. I wasn't enumerating hot spots, I can see the colors on the map.

I was pointing out the lines in the "Cases by Region" graph.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-cases.html



I think the U.S. + Canada is quite the anomaly in that graph as they define regions. I still do. (And I should mention again that cases in Canada are decreasing, so the strong upward trend of the red line is all due to the U.S.)

Again, I realize that there are countries here and there in other parts of the world that are also rising, and I mentioned some.

I had hoped to spur a discussion of the graph, as opposed to getting into a game of looking for individual countries and sub-regions that are bucking the overall trend.

For well over a month, I have been daily watching the world total new cases falling, as well as all those regions in the graph above, with the exception that the U.S.+Canada (really the U.S.) has been rising.

I should have included, as far as REGIONS with rising counts, Australia and New Zealand as they are slightly rising and certainly deserve the designation of region geographically. But their combined population is 31 million -- less than 1/10 of the U.S or Europe, and I also specified rising enough to move the world total needle, and their level of increase barely changes that.

As for "much of Western Europe (e.g. Italy, France, Germany, Portugal, Ireland) where rates are also increasing." I'd say most of Western Europe is decreasing. Of the 5 countries mentioned, Italy, France, and Germany are decreasing. It is true that Portugal and Ireland are increasing.



unc70

(6,128 posts)
20. Most Western European rates are much higher than USA
Sat May 14, 2022, 02:28 PM
May 2022

While it is true that rates are decreasing in those three countries, their rates are much higher than in the US. Rates are generally 2 or 3 times higher than in the US. Just as with US states, rates in various countries pulse up and down as variants arrive.

I have been watching these numbers very closely with a trained eye, but for personal reasons -- I will be in Italy and Portugal within a few days.

progree

(10,945 posts)
21. Yup, I was talking about whether rates are increasing or decreasing, not whether the rates are high
Sat May 14, 2022, 02:38 PM
May 2022

or low.

Have a good and safe time in Europe.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
6. South Africa is currently getting hit with ba.4&5. Cases rising.
Sat May 14, 2022, 07:12 AM
May 2022

So we have something to look forward to.

progree

(10,945 posts)
18. Yes, I've been noticing South Africa - every time I look at the map, it's a darker color
Sat May 14, 2022, 12:54 PM
May 2022

I'm hoping it doesn't lead the world in this again like it did with original Omicron starting back last November.

thucythucy

(8,133 posts)
3. Doesn't the virus understand how tired we are of wearing masks?
Sat May 14, 2022, 06:41 AM
May 2022

Doesn't it know how much we long to get back to "normal"--you know, our usual posture of ignoring the needs of anyone other than ourselves?

After all, this is 'Merica! To defeat fascism our forebears put up with gas and food rationing, blackout curtains, curfews, a universal draft. All so we wouldn't have to bear the unbearable: wearing a piece of cloth on our faces, keeping a reasonable distance. And then, two years into the war, everyone decided they were tired with all that nonsense, declared victory, and moved on! Isn't that how it worked? So why can't we do that now?

Think of the children who can't see each other's faces during active shooter drills! Think of the mega-corporations and their millionaire and billionaire owners! How can they be expected to thrive without packed malls and subservient workers?

O the humanity!




Dorian Gray

(13,535 posts)
4. It's hitting NYC hard
Sat May 14, 2022, 06:49 AM
May 2022

my daughter has it I don't (as of yet), but since I'm not isolating from her, I suspect I will. (Though we're about to test the efficacy of second moderna booster. I got it a month ago!)

I'm not surprised we brought it home. While she wears her mask in school, cases are definitely high and it's everywhere right now.

Luckily she's past the worst part. (Fever for two days. Sore throat. After 3 days, symptom free. Just tired. She's 11 and a half, so got the children's Pfizer vaccine.) She's been sleeping with me (I work from home and had second booster so we felt I was more protected) so that my husband could isolate in the other room. (Missing work is more complicated for him.)

dem4decades

(11,321 posts)
8. Maybe not, my daughter in law tested positive, and is now negative, and my son did not. Unless he
Sat May 14, 2022, 07:46 AM
May 2022

had it first and had no symptoms. A friend I play golf with had it run through his household of him, his wife, and his mother-in-law.

Of all of them, runny noses, cold symptoms, and tiredness were the primary complaints. The 90+ year old did have diarrhea, vomiting and a mild fever but all have recovered. And all were vaccinated and boosted.

Dorian Gray

(13,535 posts)
26. Aw, happy
Sat May 14, 2022, 10:23 PM
May 2022

they all recovered well. And I've heard so many stories about people who didn't get it even with close contacts in their households. It seems so random. My friend's son got it a day before my daughter did, and she's still covid free too. (THey're on day 6, we are on day 5.) I guess with vaccines and boosters, it makes some sense.

liberal_mama

(1,495 posts)
17. My daughter and her husband left yesterday for a 5 day vacation in NYC
Sat May 14, 2022, 12:53 PM
May 2022

She rationalized that NYC is only in "medium" transmission, while the county in New York we live in (Erie County) is in "high." So she says she will be safer in NYC. But they took a plane, will be eating in restaurants, going in crowded areas, so I'm very worried.

My husband had Covid in January and my son and I didn't catch it. We took precautions and wore masks around him. I hope you stay Covid free too.

Dorian Gray

(13,535 posts)
25. Thank you
Sat May 14, 2022, 10:20 PM
May 2022

Fingers crossed for us.

Your daughter will have fun. Masks are commonly worn here, so if they try to keep them on in crowded places, they should have fun. My daughter took hers off at a dance recital, and that seemed to have dinged her. (We eat in restaurants, though try to do less crowded ones at off hours. Plus you can get good tables at hard to reserve places that way.)

liberal_mama

(1,495 posts)
35. Yesterday, my daughter & her husband went to Katz's Deli and sent me a picture of them waiting
Sun May 15, 2022, 01:57 PM
May 2022

in a very long line to even get in. They ate inside the restaurant. Katz's is my favorite restaurant when my husband and I visit NYC so I know how crowded it can be at lunch time.

For dinner, they went to Nobu, which I'm sure was a little less crowded.

I'm worried for her. I would have gotten the sandwiches to go!

Ace Rothstein

(3,201 posts)
22. Both of our kids had it at different times and nobody else in our household caught it.
Sat May 14, 2022, 02:41 PM
May 2022

My wife and I got it at her work party a week ago tonight. We probably had about 24 hours of flu-like symptoms then it moved into a cold-like illness with some fatigue.

Dorian Gray

(13,535 posts)
24. It's like that, right?
Sat May 14, 2022, 10:16 PM
May 2022

Glad you got past it. My daughter had two days of fever but is good now. I'm waiting for it to hit me still. lol. I feel like a sitting duck. But maybe I'll be lucky.

Ace Rothstein

(3,201 posts)
28. Yep.
Sat May 14, 2022, 11:10 PM
May 2022

I've also seen the average time from infection to symptoms with Omicron is like 2.2 days. My wife and I literally got sick at the same time on Monday and have had roughly the same symptoms and recovery curve. She didn't lose her taste like I did but she's in much better shape than me so I thought it would hit me a bit harder. I wish you well.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
7. Has the hospitalization rate started to climb?
Sat May 14, 2022, 07:22 AM
May 2022

Hospitalization and death rates matter more at this point due to the general level of vaccination

Blues Heron

(5,953 posts)
11. Yes - in New England (HHS region 1) hospitalizations are up 10 percent from the previous week
Sat May 14, 2022, 08:37 AM
May 2022

Deaths in Massachusetts have doubled to 10/day from about 5/day at the beginning of April.

Check the CDC tracker https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/




 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
41. The hospitalization rate in CT has started to climb. However
Sun May 15, 2022, 07:41 PM
May 2022

per the NY Times chart the increase is overwhelmingly among those over 70. The increase in other groups including those between 60 and 69 is quite small. I'll hazard a guess that almost all those over 70s in the hospital didn't get boosters.
David Leonhardt in the Times a year ago predicted each Covid wave would be more infectious and less fatal and that's what has happened for whatever reason.

Tickle

(2,616 posts)
9. Lots of sober
Sat May 14, 2022, 08:12 AM
May 2022

houses are in lock down because of Covid ba-2

So far no hospitalization from any of the houses in my area 🤞🤞

liberal_mama

(1,495 posts)
14. In my county in New York, we have been at over 500 cases per 100,000 for a while now
Sat May 14, 2022, 12:48 PM
May 2022

People are running around without masks while Covid rips through the community. Most people don't check the case rates anymore and think Covid is over.

As an immune compromised person, I am really tired of being terrorized by Covid. My husband is an essential worker who is not careful and doesn't wear a mask unless there is a mandate.

This is a highly contagious strain and people need to take all precautions to prevent getting it. Our hospitalizations have been going back up as well. In my area, they are rationing the Paxlovid now.

Zeke Emmanuel wrote a good piece for the Washington Post about why he is still wearing a mask and taking precautions to avoid long Covid and long term complications. And he's kind of a death ghoul. He's the guy who thinks people should die at 75 years old, so I take it seriously when he wants to be cautious.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/12/stop-dismissing-long-covid-pandemic-symptoms/

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
29. The rationing worries me
Sat May 14, 2022, 11:21 PM
May 2022

We know if it gets really bad we won’t get the treatment prolly unless you are rich or have connections. I am getting my fourth shot this week and will get another in the fall if recommended then. I am so tired of this too. Also in ny but we have far less cases per 100,000 so far but who knows if many people who have it are even getting tested. We never stopped masking. N95 everywhere.

I agree with a lot of what he says but not that long covid is the main reason to keep masking. Stopping new variants, severe illness and deaths etc is imo. I have along covid, I just call it lh or damage from covid which seems chronic now. I hope it doesn’t get any worse. My father had a lot more and more severe damage than me.

liberal_mama

(1,495 posts)
34. Especially since the opinion was written by Zeke Emmanual
Sun May 15, 2022, 01:49 PM
May 2022

That says a lot because we all know how he is. He's always been very controversial. I guess Zeke doesn't mind dying, but he doesn't want to be disabled or chronically ill.

He's right though that people should be avoiding getting infected. I live in an area that's been hit by Covid surges many times and I know a lot of people who are suffering from long haul Covid issues, including my own husband.

I am immune compromised with diabetes, lupus, and psoriasis. It's hell to be chronically ill. I'm totally puzzled that people are just lining up to get infected and gambling with their health like this.

Ms. Toad

(34,127 posts)
37. Yes.
Sun May 15, 2022, 02:37 PM
May 2022

He makes the point I've been trying to make - that it's not just dying we need to worry about. We need to worry about the known and unknown consequences. Wiring about that means focusing on prevention, in addition to decreasing severity in the short term.

Skittles

(153,310 posts)
27. because of all the stupid selfish assholes who stopped masking
Sat May 14, 2022, 10:25 PM
May 2022

it's making a comeback

who could have seen that coming?

Ms. Toad

(34,127 posts)
31. Yup.
Sun May 15, 2022, 12:28 AM
May 2022

Including a bunch of "stupid selfish assholes" who are on our side of the political aisle and proudly post here about how they are done with COVID.

keep_left

(1,799 posts)
33. I just don't understand why there hasn't been a stronger government response to this, even at...
Sun May 15, 2022, 12:39 AM
May 2022

...this late date. Maybe everyone has just given up. In the first days of his term, Biden did come out strong about how serious the pandemic was and the need for the country to pull together in an emergency. But then the will to follow through just never materialized. I'm sure that seeing so many MAGA chuds willing to believe the most insane conspiracy theories, attending super-spreader rallies, acting like mask mandates were the sufferings of Job--that would demoralize anyone. The problem is that even if we do get new vaccines that are better tuned to the new variants, we are still going to be a petri dish for Covid mutation for the foreseeable future if half the country refuses those vaccines.

At the very least, more vaccine mandates will be needed, and a lot more mRNA vaccines have to get shipped to the rest of the world that don't have working vaccines (or any vaccines). Good luck with that.

Ms. Toad

(34,127 posts)
30. It will.
Sun May 15, 2022, 12:27 AM
May 2022

My county is already double that number. It's been going up since mid-March, but I keep getting told by a bunch of folks here that no one cares.

BannonsLiver

(16,548 posts)
36. Experts are out fighting for their online relevancy
Sun May 15, 2022, 02:14 PM
May 2022

I guess all the adulation from the fall/winter was addictive. Who knew the same people were smoking cigs and dining out the whole time? Does that make them hypocrites? I think it does.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
38. Although I'm putting on a mask again there is no real
Sun May 15, 2022, 02:38 PM
May 2022

world evidence that it does much good. During Omicron the Northeast states where mask compliance was pretty good seemed to do no better than the states where mask compliance was poor.
I guess the feeling of civic virtue gives people a psychological boost. So there's that.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
40. Oh, I know. I was just taking a roundabout shot at the covid
Sun May 15, 2022, 02:43 PM
May 2022

contingent. I learned long ago it's a waste of time to confront them directly.
Cheers!

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
42. PS: since I've done the only thing that actually is proven to
Sun May 15, 2022, 07:53 PM
May 2022

prevent serious illness - vaccinations and boosters - I have long ago resumed my normal life. Just got back from a plane trip to Florida, going to the theater next week, dine out all the time, have another rock concert in June.
I am long since done with Covid!

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