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Norton Nork

(33 posts)
Sun May 15, 2022, 08:48 AM May 2022

The propaganda of the deed in Buffalo?

Hate crime live streamed with a go-pro helmet?

That one detail gives me the impression he intended to inspire imitators.

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The propaganda of the deed in Buffalo? (Original Post) Norton Nork May 2022 OP
Yes . ... Lovie777 May 2022 #1
The guy will be in jail forever. jimfields33 May 2022 #15
I doubt it. SoonerPride May 2022 #37
CEO's are not regarded for their IQ as much as their tendency toward psychopathy. Maraya1969 May 2022 #18
If there was ever a case of cloudbase May 2022 #38
We can thank Tucker for this birdographer May 2022 #25
I want Tucker off the air. Permanently. (nt) Paladin May 2022 #36
Absolutely. To these RWNJ's, this event was seed capital bucolic_frolic May 2022 #2
He's not getting off vlyons May 2022 #3
12 people will decide bucolic_frolic May 2022 #5
i suspect he'll take a plea deal. mopinko May 2022 #7
Simone who took the time to record and live stream PTWB May 2022 #11
What plea deal? Something less than life? wnylib May 2022 #19
It won't happen. Too bad Tucker won't be serving time with him. Demsrule86 May 2022 #22
Tucker will remain an unindicted co-conspirator for this and many more. jaxexpat May 2022 #33
The shooter stated in his manifesto that he intends to plead guilty. nt NutmegYankee May 2022 #17
He must have changed his mind wnylib May 2022 #24
Probably advised to by legal council. NutmegYankee May 2022 #27
But it looks like he did not plan a getaway, wnylib May 2022 #30
There's a real danger of copycats Novara May 2022 #4
It fits the model for stochastic terrorism JohnQFunk May 2022 #10
It fits the model for stochastic terrorism JohnQFunk May 2022 #13
In the parlance of these 4chan forums: "Pics, or it didn't happen." sop May 2022 #6
He copied a New Zealand shooting gab13by13 May 2022 #8
+1 2naSalit May 2022 #9
He also cut and pasted entire passages of the manifesto dalton99a May 2022 #12
The NZ manifesto? n/t OneGrassRoot May 2022 #20
Yep. dalton99a May 2022 #21
And the SC School shooting a couple weeks ago bottomofthehill May 2022 #14
It's called "Terrorism." Kid Berwyn May 2022 #16
Indeed terrorism, but ... Norton Nork May 2022 #23
Weaponized speech. Kid Berwyn May 2022 #26
+1 dalton99a May 2022 #32
$5.00 says he also believes the repug moto..... Hotler May 2022 #28
Civil War II has been going on for a while now, but the actual shooting hadn't started yet. sop May 2022 #29
In Duval County Floriduh, Democrat is code for N-word, in many circles. jaxexpat May 2022 #34
Who was watching the live stream? Historic NY May 2022 #31
Yes, and he was inspired by Christchurch and similar live streamed shootings IronLionZion May 2022 #35
Absolutely he answered the call of the right wing wildman76 May 2022 #39
This just in ... Norton Nork May 2022 #40

Lovie777

(22,985 posts)
1. Yes . ...
Sun May 15, 2022, 08:57 AM
May 2022

and majority of it comes from RW social media and so called news. I just read about owning the Liberals from asshole Musk. I just read that this horrible tragedy is a false flag from a RWer.

My GAWD, these motherf***ers are serious deranged psychopaths trying to take over the country, and this includes the GQPs, and judges and justices.

Maraya1969

(23,498 posts)
18. CEO's are not regarded for their IQ as much as their tendency toward psychopathy.
Sun May 15, 2022, 10:22 AM
May 2022

IOW - Elon Musk is a stupid psychopath.

https://clearthis.page/?u=https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackmccullough/2019/12/09/the-psychopathic-ceo/?sh=314bfb3d791e

"The quote above could describe an ideal CEO. But it’s actually a portrait of a corporate psychopath, provided by a law enforcement official who declined to be identified because they weren’t authorized to publicly comment. People with psychopathy crave power and dominant positions, experts say. But they are also chameleons, able to disguise their ruthlessness and antisocial behavior under the veneer of charm and eloquence. In the most extreme, clinical, cases those traits have allowed serial killers to elude capture.

But when it comes to the corporate world, non-violent, corporate psychopaths are not running from the law, but instead, rushing to the executive suite. One route to grabbing power for the highly intelligent psychopath is to climb the corporate ladder. There is a real chance that at some point a chief financial officer will be confronted with a psychopathic boss. Roughly 4% to as high as 12% of CEOs exhibit psychopathic traits, according to some expert estimates, many times more than the 1% rate found in the general population and more in line with the 15% rate found in prisons.

“I would say that psychopaths or people with psychopathic traits, thrive in chaos and know that others don’t, so they will often create chaos at work for this reason,” says Tara Swart, a neuroscientist and faculty member at the MIT Sloan School of Management. “As the right-hand person, and with an element of control over the finances as well as strategy, CFOs can work to create certainty and stability for people, to mitigate this.”


https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/55893129.pdf

Title: The association of cognitive ability with right-wing ideological attitudes and prejudice:
A meta-analytic review.

Abstract
The cognitive functioning of individuals with stronger endorsement of right-wing and
prejudiced attitudes has elicited much scholarly interest. Whereas many studies investigated
cognitive styles, less attention has been directed towards cognitive ability. Studies
investigating the latter topic generally reveal lower cognitive ability to be associated with
stronger endorsement of right-wing ideological attitudes and greater prejudice. However, this
relationship has remained widely unrecognized in literature. The present meta-analyses
revealed an average effect size of r = -.20 (CI 95%: -.23 to -.17; based on 67 studies, N =
84,017) for the relationship between cognitive ability and right-wing ideological attitudes, and
an average effect size of r = -.19 (CI 95%: -.23 to -.16; based on 23 studies, N = 27, 011) for
the relationship between cognitive ability and prejudice. Effect sizes did not vary significantly
across different cognitive abilities and sample characteristics. The effect strongly depended on
the measure used for ideological attitudes and prejudice, with the strongest effect sizes for
authoritarianism and ethnocentrism. We conclude that cognitive ability is an important factor
in the genesis of ideological attitudes and prejudice, and thus should become more central in
theorizing and model-building

cloudbase

(6,270 posts)
38. If there was ever a case of
Sun May 15, 2022, 11:41 AM
May 2022

it takes one to know one.

"But it’s actually a portrait of a corporate psychopath, provided by a law enforcement official who declined to be identified because they weren’t authorized to publicly comment."

birdographer

(2,937 posts)
25. We can thank Tucker for this
Sun May 15, 2022, 10:34 AM
May 2022

He has been pushing this replacement theory for awhile. Someone needs to remove him.

bucolic_frolic

(55,143 posts)
2. Absolutely. To these RWNJ's, this event was seed capital
Sun May 15, 2022, 08:58 AM
May 2022

And he could get off. Self-defense. He was defending the white race.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
11. Simone who took the time to record and live stream
Sun May 15, 2022, 09:32 AM
May 2022

Himself committing murders, and is doing it for what appears to me extremist reasons, is likely to crave the attention of a trial. Further, the state doesn’t have the death penalty, so what would his incentive be to take a plea?

wnylib

(26,019 posts)
19. What plea deal? Something less than life?
Sun May 15, 2022, 10:22 AM
May 2022

Not likely on 10 counts of first degree murder with separate federal hate crime charges.

What could he possibly offer as his side of the deal? Nothing to gain from him since he has no accomplice to turn against, has no grave site to reveal, no new info to give. His actions are on tape, twice, in local surveillance video and his own live streamed video.

Nothing to bargain with and nobody in a bargaining mood. He will get life without parole.

He can't claim insanity because his premeditation and long distance drive indicate that he was mentally competent enough to plan out each detail.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
33. Tucker will remain an unindicted co-conspirator for this and many more.
Sun May 15, 2022, 11:07 AM
May 2022

His free speech rights are sooooooo important.



It's hard to tell the boundaries between and genuine sentiment, in such an era. Was it ever easy?

NutmegYankee

(16,478 posts)
27. Probably advised to by legal council.
Sun May 15, 2022, 10:38 AM
May 2022

His manifesto is a evil piece of work. He clearly planned this out, even documenting his choices of ammo, armor, and clothing.

wnylib

(26,019 posts)
30. But it looks like he did not plan a getaway,
Sun May 15, 2022, 10:46 AM
May 2022

other than suicide.

That, plus the threat to shoot at his graduating class,suggests that he wanted some kind of violence as a life exit. He switched his focus from his high school class to his hatred of POC.


Novara

(6,115 posts)
4. There's a real danger of copycats
Sun May 15, 2022, 09:04 AM
May 2022

Black people living and working and shopping in predominantly black neighborhoods are now terrorized. This is not only a hate crime; it is domestic terrorism.

JohnQFunk

(493 posts)
10. It fits the model for stochastic terrorism
Sun May 15, 2022, 09:30 AM
May 2022

Would not be surprised in the least if there were copycats.

JohnQFunk

(493 posts)
13. It fits the model for stochastic terrorism
Sun May 15, 2022, 09:37 AM
May 2022

Would not be surprised in the least if there were copycats.

sop

(18,626 posts)
6. In the parlance of these 4chan forums: "Pics, or it didn't happen."
Sun May 15, 2022, 09:11 AM
May 2022

His online "friends" were likely aware of his murderous plan, supported killing sprees of blacks, cheered and egged him on, and even demanded visual proof.

 

Norton Nork

(33 posts)
23. Indeed terrorism, but ...
Sun May 15, 2022, 10:32 AM
May 2022

No "terrorist organization" to grab hold of (as it might be Al-Qaeda or some such). Something much worse.

A grass roots attempt to ignite a decentralized wave of terrorism. And it looks like it's working.

Hotler

(13,747 posts)
28. $5.00 says he also believes the repug moto.....
Sun May 15, 2022, 10:40 AM
May 2022

"The only good Dem/Lib is a dead Dem/Lib." If the fascist take power there will be open killing of us (Democrats) on the streets.

sop

(18,626 posts)
29. Civil War II has been going on for a while now, but the actual shooting hadn't started yet.
Sun May 15, 2022, 10:46 AM
May 2022

From the looks of things, the shooting's already started.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
34. In Duval County Floriduh, Democrat is code for N-word, in many circles.
Sun May 15, 2022, 11:12 AM
May 2022

Or so I was somewhat surprised to discover in 2005. I suspect it's a thing throughout the hinterlands by now.

Cretins and their clever little codes.

Historic NY

(40,037 posts)
31. Who was watching the live stream?
Sun May 15, 2022, 10:57 AM
May 2022

I like to know where he go the body armor also its illegal to own or purchase in ny other than for a job purpose.

IronLionZion

(51,271 posts)
35. Yes, and he was inspired by Christchurch and similar live streamed shootings
Sun May 15, 2022, 11:15 AM
May 2022

These assholes encourage each other online and want to share their deplorable actions. It's a bit Trumpy in a way where they want attention and put on a show.

 

Norton Nork

(33 posts)
40. This just in ...
Sun May 15, 2022, 12:54 PM
May 2022

It's the Daily Fail, but FWIW ...

Buffalo white supremacist, 18, threatened a school graduation shooting last year and was given psychiatric treatment - but still legally bought three guns: Classmates reveal he acted strangely, wore hazmat suit to school for a week and scared them with 'Hitler-esque' political views
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10817615/Buffalo-white-supremacist-shot-dead-ten-threatened-shoot-classmate-graduation.html

Another one slips through the cracks until it's too late.

Payton Gendron, 18, was investigated by the New York State Police for threating to shoot his classmates during graduation in June 2021
Police suggested mental health evaluation and counseling
Classmates recall his 'Hitler-esque' political leanings during a political science exercise
Gendron wore a hazmat suit to school for the first week of his senior year to protect against Covid
In his 180-page manifesto refers to the paranoid white supremacist theory of 'white replacement'
He looks up to other racially-motivated spree killers like Dylan Roof who killed nine people in a black church in South Carolina
At least 10 people were killed and three were reported injured after a gunman opened fire inside a Buffalo supermarket on Saturday while livestreaming
Gendron had the n-word scrawled on his rifle, targeted a store in a predominantly black area and shot 11 black people, police said
Erie County District Attorney John Flynn charged him with one count of first degree murder
The suspect, filmed wearing a military uniform, has been taken into custody by the Buffalo Police Department and will be charged with multiple counts of first-degree murder as early as Saturday night
The suspect was reportedly wearing body armor as witnesses said they saw the man wearing a black helmet and carrying a rifle into the store
Ex-Buffalo cop Aaron Salter Jr, who was working at the market as a security guard, tried to stop the gunman but was fatally shot himself
86-year-old Ruth Whitfield, the mother of the former Buffalo fire commissioner, was also gunned down
New York Gov. Kathy Hochul, a Buffalo native, said the state is providing assistance to the Buffalo Police Department
N-word could be seen written on the front sight of gunman's automatic rifle
President Biden says 'hate must have no safe harbor'

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