I'm sick of taking shit for calling Nazis, Nazis

[Cyrano]

What's it going to take for every sane American to start using the term "Nazi," instead of "fascist?" The word "Nazi" makes the point. "Fascists" come and go, but it doesn't carry the weight of the reality that 40 million people died in WWII that was begun by Nazis.

We have the most powerful military that has ever existed on the face of the earth. And if the current party of crazies called Republicans manage to gain full power, they just might make Nazi Germany look like a Boy Scout summer camp by spreading their lust for power throughout the entire world. Who's going to stop them?

Does that sound too harsh to you? Sorry, but do you really want to see us ruled by lunatics such as TFG, Ted Cruz, Tom Cotton, Josh Hawley, Gym Jordan, Marjory Taylor Greene, and so, so many others like them? And while we're talking about them, would someone tell me the difference between them, and the Nazis that almost took over the world in the last century? Oh, okay, I get it. They haven't murdered anyone, they haven't deported undesirables to "reeducation" camps, they haven't built gas chambers, and they haven't constructed ovens to dispose of their victim's remains.

No, they haven't done any of these things. Yet. Because they don't have the power to do these things. Yet.

Would you really like to see what would happen if they did have full power? Do you really believe that they don't have the same mindset (insanity) as that which seized Germany? And I'd really like to hear your response to my calling them Nazis. After all, my reality may not be yours. Please show me how terribly wrong I am. And, most importantly, please tell me every possible thing we can do to prevent these people from ever coming to full power.

[llashram]

1. they are

the current manifestation of Nazis in this the 21st century. The closest I have seen since being on the scene for 53 years of rational reasoning abilities. And from knowing history. Did you hear the one about an American President who had Mein Kamph on his nightstand? It is really getting real out here.

[Eko]

2. You can call them Nazis all you want,

but I would say neo-nazis would be more appropriate. For me fascist works better just because Nazis and neo-nazis have a belief pattern that is only prevalent in about half of the repubs today.
Is that last sentence a joke or an observation? Hard to say. Prob both.

[GoodRaisin]

10. Calling them any of those things would be fitting.

I just wish everyone would stop calling them “Republicans” or “Conservatives”. That’s not what they are anymore.

Myself, I prefer “fascists” as the clearest description of these right wing lunatics.

[bucolic_frolic]

3. A couple of points

In Nazi Germany the integration of party, people, and power was very strong. By that I mean even at the local level, officeholders supported the party even if perhaps from fear. We would never have that here. We are too large and too diverse; there would always be pockets of resistance.

It wasn't just Nazi generals who stole things, though they may have stolen the most valuable things. Repossession was a thing at all economic levels. And their corporations were integral to the ideology and the workforce. Again, our society is so fractionated it's hard to imaging we could go there, and our telecommunications would hinder concentration of power.

The real essence of Nazism is still not studied that much because the time period, rightfully, focuses on the war and the holocaust.

Bertram Gross, a poli sci prof at CUNY I think, wrote a famous 1980 book "Friendly Fascism". I heard him once, but never read the book. But perhaps Friendly Fascism is what we have here. THough to me it looks like consumerism without the gas chambers.

[Thomas Hurt]

4. Personally, I prefer christofascist. Nazi is a term that is too historically loaded.

Fascist is perhaps too general. The Nazis or fascist of our time have a particular partnership with the fundie right and their fellow travellers the KKK have always been a conservative christian terrorist organization. "Christo" for the religious wing and "fascist" which describes the ideological and political heart of what that fn Pig Trump has called out from under their rocks.

These extremists have always been with us and we began the path to where we are now with the Reagan admin.

Tax protesters
Militias/survivalists
White Nationalists Neo-Nazis (skinheads, Aryan brotherhood, Posse Commitatus, christian identity mentioned in the OP etc.)
Dominionists/Reconstructionists
Birchers
3 iterations of the Klan, (Original post civil war, 2nd Klan that rose to power in the 20s, and the modern Klan)
QAnon
Patriot Movement
Proud Boys
3 percenters
Neo-confederates
Nativists (know nothings Minute Men etc.)
Army of God

Their base and enablers 20 to 30 of the US adult population:

GOP
"Libertarians"
Fundamentalist/Evangelical Christians

[Cyrano]

6. "A rose, by any other name ... "

Nazi. Fascist. Skunk. What's in a name?

These are dangerous/deadly fucking people who must be stopped before they destroy humanity and just the beginnings of what we so proudly call "civilization." Our species has come a long way. They would take us back to the caves.

[Ferrets are Cool]

5. You are correct. The only reason they didnt overturn RvW before now

is that they didn't have the power. Once they get complete power/control there is going to be no stopping them. I cannot tell you that you are wrong.

[Cyrano]

7. Roe V Wade is only the first item on their agenda

The reality is that their agenda is about absolute power and absolute control. Most elected Republicans (not the imbeciles who vote for them) couldn't give a rat's ass about abortion. It's just an issue to get the rubes to keep electing them.

What should terrify everyone, including their voters, is that their list of things they want to enact is endless, and the word "freedom" is not to be found on it.

[onecaliberal]

8. Yes, they're fascists.

[AntiFascist]

9. The troll farms, bots, MAGAts, and Fox News are pushing the far right to the extremes of fascism...

Also, the Buffalo shooter self-identifies as a fascist but I don't know if he's read Mein Kampf.

[Hotler]

11. I can do that.

[ck4829]

12. K&R

[uponit7771]

13. K&R, M$M needs to stop normalizing hate speech in MAGA Media

[Mr.Bill]

14. I always enjoy saying

"My dad climbed into a B24 bomber and flew through flak over Europe 50 time to bomb the shit out of these people." That always shuts them up, and it's true.

[dchill]

15. What's their problem? Actual Nazis is what they want to be!

[Igirl]

16. This is so overly dramatic

Are they members of the national Socialism party? No
Do they worship Hitler? No
Is this 1945? No

The stupidest argument anyone can make in a debate is calling someone Hitler. It’s so overblown and stupid versus what that regime was and a complete insult to those who died at the hands of Hitler. I cringe at this so much. It’s a third grade equivalent argument. “Yea….your Hitler!”

We hate it when we hear fake news and and right BS. Our response is to try and equivalence that with a man who committed genocide on 6 million Jews. It’s such a weak horrible comparison. Do we not have arguments based on something other than overblown emotion?

[AntivaxHunters]

24. Are you joking with this?

[JanMichael]

25. You mean like the nice volks in Charlottesville? Chanting "Jews will not replace us"?

With hairstyles right out of the 40's and little mustaches?

Do they worship Hitler?

Yes they do. Not all mind you but a good number do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally

[Sympthsical]

17. When everyone disliked is called a Nazi or a fascist

People start to disbelieve in the power of the word.

For most of my adult life, pretty much everyone is a Nazi if you don't like something they've done. Any personal inconvenience or some rule they dislike or a political opponent they hate. Nazi.

The word just has no power in our culture due to frivolous overuse.

Fascism is well on its way to similar. Do people think that word is like croutons? Just throw it on top of the word salad and a point has been made?

I just saw someone here earlier today refer to MSNBC as fascist. They were airing or not airing (I forget) something, and that was obviously because they were fascist. MSNBC.

Everything's fascist now.

There are a lot of words like that in our culture now that just do not have the power people think it does. I think online culture has something to do with it. You have to be more and more extreme to get attention, so you reach for more and more extreme verbiage. But once you hit Nazi and fascist as your everyday use terms, where do you go from there? What's the next level? They don't generate the same dopamine hit anymore. Once a situation does arise where the terms are actually appropriate, eh. People are anesthetized to it.

It's all very Boy Who Cried Wolf. It's kind of a situation of one's own creation.

Edit: Recently in Germany, someone tried to call a police officer a Nazi because they weren't getting their way at an airport (of course it was an American). They fucked around and found out. I can only imagine our online politicos wandering into that country and throwing around terms with the ease they do here. I suspect there would be an education.

[Iggo]

18. I call them either White Nationalists or White Supremacists just to sidestep the crybabies.

[TallMike]

19. I rather prefer the term

"Boot Licker".
Just learned that from my antifa, so called anarchrist niece.
God Bless her.

[yaesu]

20. It asn't too long ago when we were given hell for calling them fascists. I'm sticking with that name

to describe anti democratic asswipes who are backed by big money which is how fascism gets its power.

[WarGamer]

21. It's a free country, call them what you want. It's still inaccurate.

If you don't have a NSDAP membership number... you're NOT a Nazi.

And since the Nazi Party officially ENDED in 1945... even if you held a NSDAP membership number, you'd be a "Former Nazi".

Just like Abraham Lincoln was a "Former Whig"... because the Party ENDED in 1856.

At most... you're referring to neo-nazis.

The most accurate moniker, albeit not as emotional as "Nazi"... would be Authoritarian Extremists.

[Raine]

22. You go too far when you call them Nazis IMO

you minimize what the real Nazis did, takes away from the horror of it.

[drmeow]

23. Who do you want to have call them Nazis

and what is your end goal in wanted them to be called that?

For me, I'd like the media to call them out for what they are and what they are doing - to wake up more of the American people. To that end, I think Sympthsical's point is a valid one. My preference would be for the media to call them radical Christian extremists. After 9-11 the media referred to people who act like the current Republican party but in the name of Islam (i.e., the Taliban, Al Quida, etc.) as radical Muslim extremists. As a result, that phraseology resonates with a lot of the American public. Since the behaviors and end goals are highly similar (a theocracy where male insiders reign supreme), I think constantly referring to them as radical Christian extremists (i.e., the SCOTUS has been taken over by radical Christian extremists and this ruling is imposing radical Christian law on the land) would give more people in the general American public an understanding of what they are doing which resonates.

Also, since Russian oligarchs has become such a common phrase, start talking about Bezos, et al, as American oligarchs!

[1Thebopper]

26. Call what they wannabe

I’m going to call them what they want to be known as instead “Putin-nistas”. They and Donnie Dumazz worship the world Putins created and would take it any day and ride their lazy butts into the future in their diesel powered golf cart.