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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsErdoğan says Turkey will not approve Finnish and Swedish membership of Nato
The Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, has said he will not approve Finland and Sweden joining Nato.
Reuters is reporting he has said Swedish and Finnish delegations should not bother coming to Turkey to convince Turkey to approve their Nato bids.
Finland and Sweden, while both Nato partners, have long viewed membership as an unnecessary provocation of Russia, their powerful eastern neighbor. Moscows invasion of Ukraine, however, has led to a radical rethink of their security policies.
Membership of Nato would require ratification by all existing members.
Erdoğan is a putin puppet just like tRump
sunonmars
(8,656 posts)NATO should not trust them and I dare say they don't.
I'd rather have Finland and Sweden than Erdogan and his ilk.
AllyCat
(16,178 posts)brush
(53,765 posts)have attacked, one sunk and the other recently set afire, approached from the Ukraine Black Sea coast.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,307 posts)They have closed the Straits of Bosphorus to all naval vessels.
https://news.usni.org/2022/02/28/turkey-closes-bosphorus-dardanelles-straits-to-warships
That has probably disadvantaged Russia; even under non-war rules, countries that don't have a Black Sea coastline are limited in the number of ships they can move there, so Russia would have potentially been able to move more through.
AllyCat
(16,178 posts)tavernier
(12,380 posts)
Oh sorry. The fact that their two best ships are swimming with the fishes, compliments of Ukraine, I kind of had a problem visualizing a Russian naval tsunami.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,307 posts)a sister ship of the Moskva, and much more. If it could enter the Black Sea, it'd be a problem.
tavernier
(12,380 posts)of this war. Im just hoping that they have overestimated their capabilities as they have so far.
Darwins_Retriever
(853 posts)They are not a Democracy.
They have been purchasing Russian anti-aircraft systems and they have advanced US fighters.
They attacked forces supported by the US in Syria.
They have Erdogan and his security team attacked protesters while in the US.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,998 posts)AllyCat
(16,178 posts)Moostache
(9,895 posts)Good bye Turkey, we hardly knew ye...
Replace them with Sweden and Norway and put Erdoğan on notice that ANY military move against NATO will result in his anihiliation.
Fuck him...what does he think he is? The Joe Manchin of NATO?
maxsolomon
(33,310 posts)He wants a quid pro quo.
mitch96
(13,892 posts)with his Kurdish fetish. The religious leader in PA and Kurdish leaders in Europe who are against him...A thought..
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Ray Bruns
(4,093 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)And that's why they voted NO on assistance to Ukraine & NO on NATO involvement
That one will also be known as the Joe Manchin of The House. Eh?
Celerity
(43,327 posts)no_hypocrisy
(46,083 posts)David__77
(23,372 posts)sunonmars
(8,656 posts)Since Erdogan took over, the whole country has changed it is literally a Russian money pit these days. Erdogan and Putin are best buddies. The whole southern coast and majority of seaside resorts are Russian enclaves. The flights have not stopped from Russia to Turkey at all. Antalya is literally a Russian city these days.
They are not a reliable real ally and NATO knows it.
NATO do not trust them one bit.
Turkey joined NATO is 1952, they were enthusiastically pro west back then and very relaxed but a lot has happened since then but when Erdogan took over the situation changed dramatically, the relationship became very strained and difficult due to Erdogan's loyalties.
Budi
(15,325 posts)He's got an ally or 2 in our elected House as well doing his bidding from our US Congress.
PortTack
(32,755 posts)sunonmars
(8,656 posts)Noahv
(61 posts)There's no link.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,307 posts)PortTack
(32,755 posts)And has trained NATO troops says this isnt the first time a country has had to be convinced. Anyway, he is convinced that Turkey will go along.
https://news.yahoo.com/nato-expects-turkey-not-hold-152511980.html
BeyondGeography
(39,369 posts)Turkey wants our gear (F16s eg). Turkey doesnt want to trade access to our military technology for tighter relations with the corpse of the USSR. Erdogan is saying he doesnt want to hear from Sweden and Finland. I imagine hell pick up the phone when we call. Id wager talks will continue.
hlthe2b
(102,226 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,307 posts)yaesu
(8,020 posts)to show up and argue the point, negotiate.
The Revolution
(766 posts)We should let the Turkish people know they have a choice to stay in NATO or not.
NATO has had good reason to oust Turkey before this anyway.
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Celerity
(43,327 posts)"Neither of these countries have a clear, open attitude towards terrorist organisation," Erdogan said. "How can we trust them?"
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/erdogan-says-swedish-finnish-delegations-should-not-bother-coming-turkey-2022-05-16/
dalton99a
(81,455 posts)Backstabbing piece of shit
yaesu
(8,020 posts)I'm sure tRump got something out of it, a loan? but can't remember what was reported at the time.
Lovie777
(12,236 posts)dalton99a
(81,455 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)It should be kicked out.