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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI Am a Staunch and Unchangeable Optimist.
When I encounter irretrievable pessimism, I move on. History has demonstrated that optimism is what facilitates progress and problem-solving. Pessimism and fatalism simply accept the negative as what will be ongoing as far into the future as those who have those views can manage to imagine. Such attitudes facilitate nothing whatsoever. They are a dead end.
Arguing against that kind of pessimistic negativism is pretty much useless. Arguments will not alter that mindset in people, and only wastes one's time. Instead, holding optimistic views lets you visualize pathways forward that can lead to good results. Optimism encourages hope.
Both optimism and negativism are contagious. There is no vaccination against negativism, fatalism, or pessimism. The only protection is to recognize those things and keep one's distance. In that avoidance, you will find others who share your optimistic view that looks forward with hope, rather than with the expectation of failure and doom.
Put on your mask of optimism and let the doomsayers rant on. Just ignore them and work toward good progress. That's a far healthier approach to difficult times.
That, of course, is my opinion. No doubt it will be ridiculed by the very people I am ignoring.
Novara
(6,115 posts)They are easily confused.
I don't consider myself a pessimist at all but I am as cynical as they come. And that is a result of living life and paying attention to the world around me.
No matter how cynical I become I can't keep up. ~Lily Tomlin
That's me.
EYESORE 9001
(30,028 posts)I wish theyd keep their fatalistic fantasies to themselves instead of trying to infect all & sundry with apathy.
cilla4progress
(26,526 posts)play in?
MineralMan
(152,043 posts)Toxic positivity is just another excuse for doing nothing, since "everything will turn out OK." It's equivalent to those who say, "all is lost, so what's the point."
Optimism says, "We can help make things turn out better."
Toxic Positivity says, "Everything will turn out fine. Don't worry about it."
BannonsLiver
(21,027 posts)Unbridled, irrational, toxic optimism is a real problem in this forum.
emulatorloo
(46,155 posts)SWBTATTReg
(26,522 posts)Wise words.
Tree-Hugger
(3,379 posts)I like what you have to say here. Both are contagious - though I feel pessimistic views to be more so.
Peacetrain
(24,307 posts)MineralMan
(152,043 posts)Scrivener7
(60,376 posts)Because you won't believe this, but there are guys out there who post a new OP just about every day, and their OPs serve no purpose other than to stir shit, chastise people who disagree with them, and imply that their own way is the only right way.
Mostly it seems as if they get sad if the argument gets quiet and they feel like they have to ignite it again.
Not kidding. They're out there. It's infantile, but there we are.
So glad you just move on, though.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)I literally did laugh out loud.
Well played.
MineralMan
(152,043 posts)Scrivener7
(60,376 posts)saying something that you think is too pessimistic, just stinkin' thinkin' that doesn't jive with your unshakeable optimism, you should just move right on!
Just like you said!
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Pessimism does not entail nihilism, hopelessness, or even unhappiness. People prefer optimists because people don't like bad news. Pessimists have the annoying tendency to remind them, and often rightfully so, that shit isn't going to work itself out and just be okay. This assertion that pessimists hold progress back, as groundless as it is irritating, and is most often deployed by goobers seeking to silence valid criticism of their positions or proposals.
Here's some valuable pessimism for you:
One day, the universe will end in heat death. Long before then, our sun will expand and devour the Earth. Long before that, mankind will likely go extinct.
There's no heaven. There's no hell. Nothing but cold, black oblivion waiting for us on the "other side".
Best make the best of what little we have while we still have it.
BannonsLiver
(21,027 posts)Best make the best of what little we have while we still have it.
Is that what you think youre doing here, on this forum, making the best of it? 🤷♂️
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)I'm saying our time is short, that our universe is cold and indifferent to our happiness. We owe it to ourselves to make this life as good as possible for as many people as possible.
And yes, I feel participating in the discourse here helps.
MineralMan
(152,043 posts)You are correct that life on this planet is finite. Recognizable homo species have only been around for less than a couple of million years. That's not very long.
We will, no doubt, become extinct long before the sun destroys the earth, some billions of years in the future. That time frame represents far longer than humans have existed, and is not a factor for anything in my opinion. In astronomical time, humans do not matter in any way.
Further a cataclysmic collision with a major asteroid is far more likely to spell extinction for humans than the expansion of our local star and its envelopment of its third planet. One such asteroid smacked into the area of the Gulf of Mexico about 65 million years ago. Seen any large dinosaurs lately? There were no humans then - just some small mammals that evolved in many directions. No human has seen a large dinosaur. The two never coexisted. Stuff changes on planets, and for many reasons.
As an atheist, I have to agree with you on the heaven and hell nonsense. We have a finite time to live as individuals. I prefer to live that time with an optimistic and practical sort of mindset and try to benefit myself and others during my time.
I think it is best to focus on promoting things that will improve human society in ways that will extend beyond my lifetime. I believe we should work toward those goals. I think we can accomplish improvements in the quality of life for the future. That is the source of my optimism.
I reject not doing whatever we can do, as individuals and in groups, to promote progress toward a better life now and into the future, within our practical capability of doing so.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Pessimism doesn't entail nihilism. You can be a pessimist and promote progress.
Interestingly enough, optimists can be regressive asshats. Every megachurch in America is filled to the brim with optimists.
jalan48
(14,914 posts)MineralMan
(152,043 posts)climate change in a positive way. I am not convinced that those ways of influencing that have been formulated. But, I agree that it is a threat to human society as we now recognize it. I suspect that we will be reduced in numbers before those changes occur. I will not be here to see what happens though. And, since I have no offspring, neither will my genes be reflected in the future. As the population contracts, as I believe it inevitably will, different genetic mixes will be affected.
What will that be like? I do not know. I do believe that the human species will naturally adapt to a changed environment. It has done so throughout the couple of million years it has existed.
jalan48
(14,914 posts)you to move about in order to stay alive. I'd venture to say it will be dystopian for most humans with incredible suffering and horrific choice making in regards to their families and friends. Like Candide though (in Voltaire's novel) many will remain happily optimistic until the reality of the real world forces them to be otherwise.
Sympthsical
(11,285 posts)When the climate crisis rolls in around 2040 and civilization shudders as millions die, food supplies take a hit, and disease and natural disasters grow worse, I'll remember the sunny disposition of our times and think to myself:
They meant well.
And that's the really important thing, isn't it?
MineralMan
(152,043 posts)couple of years. That's a lot of people. Globally, the situation is even worse.
My 96-year-old parents were among those killed by that virus. My wife and I were not. Why? Because as soon as the fact that there was a pandemic, we began taking precautions against being exposed to it. Then, when vaccines were available, we took them, along with later boosters that were recommended.
There are crises all the time. We recently headed for our basement, because there was a tornado warning. Random stuff. But, we had planned for such a thing. Had our house been in the path of a tornado, we probably would have survived. I don't worry about a tornado every time there is a thunderstorm, but I have a plan that will help me survive if one occurs. I expect never to die in a tornado, and my expectations have a high probability of being accurate.
In my lifetime, we didn't have a nuclear war, although that was a real worry. I didn't catch polio as a child, although many did, with some dying from it. When Martin Luther King marched across the Edmund Pettis bridge, I was aware that going there might be a risk, but I went there nevertheless. I was a day late due to car trouble, but I did hear him speak the next day. I was optimistic that what he had to say might help make things better, so I was there, as a 19-year-old white college dropout from a small town in California.
Millions died at the hands of Hitler in an insane campaign to destroy the Jews of the world. Droughts kill uncounted numbers of people in Africa on a pretty regular basis.
Life's uncertain. It always has been. Now, we're facing a likely warming of the planet, with rising sea levels and worse. It is already causing a historic drought in the American West. We seem unable to do what might reverse this trend or slow it down. We're trying, and in many ways, but perhaps not quickly enough. And yet, in the 1970s and 80s, I was writing magazine articles about solar power and how it would be an important thing.
You think of me one way. But you do not know me. You do not know what I am doing and have done. That all started in 1965, when I was just 20 years old and read and listened to people writing and talking about the terrible impact our increasing population would have on the planet. So, I decided then not to reproduce and create more mouths to feed. Now, I'm almost 77 years old, and have accomplished that goal.
You seem to think you know me. You do not. I remain optimistic, in the sense that I believe we can do things that will help with our problems. One of those is helping Democrats win elected offices at every level. I write about that here and elsewhere constantly. I also write about optimistic philosophies that encourage action.
So, there you are.
Wounded Bear
(64,838 posts)and the trumpanistas running for office now. That crazy lady in Pennsylvania said it: "We don't need trump." They're ready to move on from the person of trump, but continue to run on the fear and personal attacks that are at the core of everything trump did and that now are at the core of the repub "agenda," such as it is.
Optimism says, "We can figure a way out of this. Let's work together to find it and make it work."
MineralMan
(152,043 posts)usonian
(27,170 posts)My feeling is that they are self-fulfilling (as well!)
At this stage of my life (I forgot the previous ones), I feel this way:
Ignore the doomsayers. They are projecting taught inability.
Don't try to change things upon which I have no control, or even influence in a finite amount of time.
Do what's doable. Encourage others. Give them clear and concise facts they can share and use to focus their energies.
Talk people off the ledge of "I am stamped from the beginning"
Methodology:
Learn real basic psychology. People "project" either their taught inability or their inherent possibility.
People who are brainwashed, addicted, cult members and so forth, all exhibit self-defeating traits (*)
People do this because they believe stories fed them by "controllers"
People generally don't think things through and suffer unintended consequences.
Use these to help people who want to move forward.
My main goal here is to provide roadmaps for positive action, because only positive action helps oneself and others.
GOTV links:
https://democraticunderground.com/100216380145
Ukraine Humanitarian Relief
https://democraticunderground.com/100216497648
I will be expanding on "Every accusation is a confession".
This may help counter the bullshit, or at least explain it in 5 words.
(*) in short, projection, denial, self-centeredness, dualism, (this versus that, me versus you) demanding perfection (from others), judgmentalism, crisis-orientation, external referencing, forgetfulness (so we don't learn from the past), and so on. SOUND FAMILIAR?
See "When Society Becomes an Addict" by Anne Wilson Scheaf.
RussBLib
(10,850 posts)in this OP and in your replies to comments.
I don't have much to add except a "thank you" for being you and the way you are. Know that many will identify with what you said and be uplifted. That's a good thing.
I tend to vacillate between optimism, pessimism, cynicism, and apathy. Only 1 of those is a positive thing. I have pondered getting some antidepressants.
hunter
(40,947 posts)He pretty much personifies the lucrative (for him anyways...) kind of false optimism that will destroy what's left of the natural world as we know it. I'm pretty sure he's an apartheid asshole as well.
If we believe wind turbines and solar panels and batteries and electric cars are going to "save the world," we are only deluding ourselves. These will only prolong our dependence on fossil fuels, especially natural gas. In fact, an expansion of these technologies to more humans will only increase the environmental footprint of humanity at large.
Seeing wind turbines on hillsides or at sea, and acres of solar panels growing like cancers on previously undeveloped land, does not give me the warm fuzzies. And there's no way in hell this planet can sustainably support an automobile for every adult human, whether it's electric or not.
Human space exploration does not make me optimistic. I'm fairly certain natural humans won't ever have a significant presence in space beyond low earth orbit. We're just too damned fragile. There have been spectacular advances in computers and robotics since we last sent men to the moon so there's no good reason to send human explorers out into space any more -- it's a waste of resources and humans will only get in the way of actual science.
Robotics make me optimistic.
If we natural humans don't destroy our twenty first world civilization, then it will be our intellectual offspring who colonize this solar system; engineered beings who can safely walk naked on the surface of Mars, or fix a problem on the exterior of a spaceship wearing minimal protective clothing... like putting on a coat before going out into frosty weather, no space suit required. Breathing? What's that?
There are things that make me optimistic. The political and economic empowerment of women, easy access to birth control, and realistic sex education will halt human population growth in its tracks. That's a demonstrated fact.
It delights me every time I hear in ordinary conversation a woman talking about her wife, or a man about his husband.
Durable plastic pipe and sophisticated water treatment systems could bring clean water and indoor plumbing to everyone on earth. Modern treatment plants can turn sewage into irrigation water, or even back into tap water. The sewage that goes down the drain in my house irrigates crops, and some of it gets turned back into tap water. I don't have to feel guilty about my flush toilet. My shits not getting dumped directly into some river or contaminating the groundwater my neighbor drinks.
Vegan and vegetarian diets are becoming increasingly sophisticated, both in their own right and with the greater availability of products that mimic meat and dairy products. It won't be long now before the most popular and least expensive burger in your favorite fast food place is vegan, the same as the milk you pour on your breakfast cereal. Unless you want to pay extra for the "real thing" which, hopefully, won't be some animal tortured in a factory farm and processed by abused workers.
I think everyone in the world deserves a reliable, affordable, supply of electricity. The way to accomplish that is with nuclear power, which is an established seventy year old technology far less dangerous, kilowatt hour for kilowatt hour, than any fossil fuel. Unlike complicated "renewable" energy schemes, the components of a modern electrical grid are mostly made of iron, aluminum and concrete. These materials last a long time and iron and aluminum are easily recycled when they are no longer serviceable, in a way that the components of various "renewable energy" schemes are not, everything from wind turbine blades, electronic waste, and lithium batteries.
I think small modular nuclear reactors built in factories and shipped to places that need electric power have a very promising future. I like living in a nation that never abandoned this line of research so we won't be dependent on Russia or China for this technology when it becomes clear to the majority of us here in the U.S.A. that the fossil fuel industry must be shut down.
There's no point to being an "optimist" or a "pessimist" if you don't have any clear vision of a viable and sustainable future.
Personally, I seek to crush the optimism of anti-intellectual intolerant religions, climate change deniers, racists, homophobes, libertarian twits, etc.