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BUDAPEST, Hungary Matt Schlapp, the organizer of the hugely influential Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), does not know what independent media means.
I dont know what these terms meanwhat do you mean by independent? Schlapp said in an interview outside the CPAC conference, which kicked off in the Hungarian capital on Thursday.
Schlapp was speaking outside the conference center on the banks of the Danube, because the Hungarian organizers CPAC has partnered with to host the event had refused entry to all journalists from U.S. media outlets, despite months of effort to obtain press credentials for the event.
Besides VICE News, journalists from Rolling Stone, Vox Media, and the New Yorker were turned away from the conference on Thursday, despite repeated assurances from the American Conservative Union that access would be provided. Journalists from other non-Hungarian media outlets, including the Guardian and Associated Press, tweeted that they had also been denied accreditation, despite months of requests.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/93bxm8/cpac-hungary-us-journalists-blocked
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Can we please make these people just STAY in Hungary, since they love Orban so much?
ancianita
(43,307 posts)I hope they're all under No Such Agency surveillance.
Jilly_in_VA
(14,361 posts)This ^^^^^^^^
Maine Abu El Banat
(3,537 posts)Planning the overthrow of our government on foreign soil is TREASON! And should be punished as such.
ancianita
(43,307 posts)what they're doing falls under our laws here, and though they're engaging in free speech, our Dept of State and DOJ also know that mobilizing minority rule -- which they know will require breaking laws, which is why they're doing all this in Hungary to start with -- can break conspiracy and sedition laws. So yeah, given sufficient evidence (transcripts of proceedings there) they could suspend their passports and/or put them on No-Fly lists.
wnylib
(26,008 posts)to slip into this meeting and record it.
Here's hoping.
ancianita
(43,307 posts)Volaris
(11,697 posts)ancianita
(43,307 posts)Or are you being imaginative?
Volaris
(11,697 posts)THAT is entirely up to the Virgina Farmboys!
ancianita
(43,307 posts)Volaris
(11,697 posts)'You and I, remember Budapest VERY differently.'
ancianita
(43,307 posts)samsingh
(18,426 posts)cilla4progress
(26,525 posts)Every few months now is basically grab and smash?
area51
(12,690 posts)because they have universal healthcare.
Midnight Writer
(25,404 posts)Initech
(108,772 posts)moondust
(21,286 posts)Totalitarians demand very strict control of the media.
slightlv
(7,789 posts)to the U.S. I think they should be deemed hostile to our country, and giving aid and embrace to a fascist (and anti-U.S.) state. I guess they aren't exactly an enemy state, but they aren't exactly an ally, either, are they? argh... There ought to be some sort of law against this sort of thing, tho... some sort of dissuasion.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)absolute yet, except as they befall unfortunates who cross the government, but no doubt much envied by our own aspiring authoritarians.
"Lock her up!" and "Hang Pence!" after all.
slightlv
(7,789 posts)We're not getting serious about this crap on our side. We're going to let democracy slip through our fingers, I'm afraid, by being too nice and playing by the rules that no one else is playing by. They're playing for keeps while we play by Hoyle. What's it going to take to get the PTB who can actually make a damn difference to do something? I mean REALLY do something meaningful? We can't even get much more than a slap across the hand for people who beat cops, tear up our Congress building, try to overthrow our government, and kill our representatives! And I'm not even talking about the ringleaders here... I'm talking about the lowlife dumbshit magatypes. We've got the ability to stack the SCOTUS and we aren't doing a damn thing about it. Just do it. The repugs would. Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead. Who cares about the rules. Just do it. We're going to have to put it all back together again afterwards, anyway. I see it as one of a few ways:
Either a one state solution after a war, with a lot of dead people and a completely different form of (probably oppressive) government, or...
A two state solution - A Red State Confederacy and a Blue State U.S. with two different forms of government with no shared government, but some sort of treaty, possibly.
A complete brain drain of a country where it's people are desperately trying to escape anyway, anywhere they can, especially to Canada, and/or the South (unless climate change precludes that too quickly). The young I can see fleeing overseas. I'm trying hard to get my kids to flee now while they're still young enough to do it, especially my daughter. The rest of us who are stuck, I can see maybe camping out at the U.N. for assistance and refugee status. I dunno.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)as the liberal democracy we've always been, albeit shaky and battered as we recover. After all, we've weathered all storms to this point and people have calmed down and continued to enlarge the rights and wellbeing of our citizens.
Apparently one pattern seen in other embattled democracies, though, is that they continue to hold elections for some period while neither protectors of liberal government of, by and for the people nor authoritarians are able to secure enough power long enough to stabilize one way or another. So we could be in for some years of this. Or not.
Hungary's current illiberal autocracy had to backtrack on the "rule by decree" power legislators gave Orban, for instance, but recently a national election, still held, probably legitimately chose to keep power in the far right's hands; it's not all settled there by a long shot.
Meanwhile, people carry on their lives. Potatoes always still have to be planted while kings and popes come and go, after all.
slightlv
(7,789 posts)until this year. This year changed everything for me. Reading about Idaho... reading about newspapers who have, in the past, endorsed republicans, who now are looking at that group in their states and finding no one they can cast lots with who will uphold democracy in the state. Seeing the laws changed, even now without waiting for SCOTUS to make a final ruling on RvW, on the rights on women, and women already dying of reproductive health issues in the deep South.
Living surrounded by the maga-idiots on all sides of me, personally, with gunfire at all hours of the night. Afraid for the strays that wander thru the fields that they're gun bait, and wondering when the next shot takes out more than just my back laundry room window, especially since I've not been in the broom closet for many, many years.
Living for the past decade with the preview of what the authoritarian/theological right wants to legislate for everyone. Brownback, and his Opus Dei group of holy rollers all but destroyed Kansas, and they've neither gone away nor have we been able to legislate our way out of the mess. This is Koch country, and they've played it for all it's worth. Believe me, you don't want what they've got planned. We're trying to keep my mother alive and well and happy in her old age. My husband and I are not going to be so lucky at her age, I fear. By then, they'll have stripped Social Security and Medicare (as well as Medicaid -- or Kancaid, as they call it here) as they've wanted to do since it was instituted. The future these people look forward to is cold, hard, and bleak. I don't understand where or why the blue-collar maga people think they're going to be so well off that they fall head over heels for it. They're going to starve right along with the rest of us. But, I guess, whatever it takes to "own" us libs, eh? (shrug) Anyway, like I said, after living with the preview for the last decade, believe me, you don't want it. I don't look forward to death. My daughter had three sons. I'd hoped to someday see a great granddaughter, at least, and see her inherit a world where she could take it by the tail and run with it, if she wanted - like her great-great-great-grandfather and her great-grandmother did. We fought two different generations of Koch's. My great-grandfather fought old man Koch. I've fought against the Koch brothers. I'm sure there'll be Koch sons for her to fight against, as well.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)strong churchgoers, believers in authority and order (their old culture, old laws they understand), so no shootings in the night.
These are really scary times everywhere. I'm certainly with you in knowing that those behind what's happening on the right have always intended to eliminate programs like Social Security and Medicare, now the ACA. If they can.
As for what they have planned -- and worse are capable of and may not be able to control -- we're seeing big, big clues that they have no limits on what they might do. The Republican pandemic was deliberately allowed and encouraged to spread for political purposes, and it seems likely now for economic. There is no doubt that they fostered it to further their purposes, though. Sowing chaos in a nation of 300 million to take power.
That said, change always creates more change, and reaction. Crazy as so many people are behaving, the vast majority want what they've always had and don't want where their craziness is taking them. Including turning living rooms and garages into living space for newly destitute relatives who'd have to be taken in.
The culture Americans inherited, our ways of life, and our expectations of what is due us are huge factors. We all still have the vote. And there are 330 million of us. It's realistic to be far from hopeless.
geardaddy
(25,392 posts)And have his US citizenship revoked.
IronLionZion
(51,267 posts)When these racists say it's about nation, not race. What they really mean is that it's about race, not nation. That's why they go to other white nations to talk about RW conservativism.
America First!
getagrip_already
(17,802 posts)Exclude us journalists....
Attack us positions....
Sounds american to me. Not.
Buns_of_Fire
(19,161 posts)Traitors. Every last damned one of them.
maxsolomon
(38,711 posts)I get your point, however.
Initech
(108,772 posts)Like are they trying to suck up to third world dictators like Orban? Is that where the conservative movement is heading? If so that's some seriously scary shit!
AllaN01Bear
(29,485 posts)Volaris
(11,697 posts)can't HANDLE a Free Press anymore.
If Dems are smart (and appropriately MEAN enough) about this fact, the ads will write themselves.
They're chickenshits. Say it PUBLICLY.
Initech
(108,772 posts)Should be considered a national security risk. They clearly do not have America's interests at heart and are sucking up to a mad man.
momta
(4,197 posts)Number four, my dear friends, have your media. You can only present the stupidity of the leftist progressives if you have the media to do it. Leftist opinion can only seem to be a majority because the media helps them to increase their voice.
Earth-shine
(4,044 posts)struggle4progress
(126,147 posts)DFW
(60,180 posts)Anyone who has ever attempted to learn Hungarian from anyone other than their parents as a kid will know that this is a nearly impossible task, and will keep them over there for the next 25 years.
Nem igaz? (ain't that right?)
ThoughtCriminal
(14,721 posts)They must have some pretty bad shit planned.