NEW: The Archbishop of San Francisco tells @SpeakerPelosi she is no longer entitled to receive Holy

[demmiblue]

NEW: The Archbishop of San Francisco tells @SpeakerPelosi she is no longer entitled to receive Holy Communion in her home archdiocese, citing her vote this month to codify Roe. https://sfarchdiocese.org/notification-t

Notably @ArchCordileone's edict comes less than a year after @Pontifex made it pretty clear he wasn't a fan of denying politicians communion

Link to tweet

After numerous attempts to speak with Speaker Pelosi to help her understand the grave evil she is perpetrating, the scandal she is causing, an the danger to her own soul she is risking, I have determined that she is not to be admitted to Holy Communion.

Link to tweet

[mopinko]

1. omg your gif.

they're comin out of the woodwork.

[spooky3]

29. LOL. With the Ann Landers hair...nt

[HighFired49]

68. Too great!

Perfect gif of "Thank you, and fuck you very much."

[gratuitous]

2. Speaking of "grave evils" Archbishop

How about the piss-poor job we're currently doing in making sure that the 8 billion or so people already here on the planet have adequate food, clothing, and shelter? Is laying an even heavier burden on an overburdened planet more evil or less evil than individuals deciding for themselves what their best health care choices are?

[SharonClark]

8. Well said.

[Delphinus]

55. Thank you

My first words to him after reading "grave evil" were not as eloquent as yours.

[Duppers]

75. Bravo !! +100

[erronis]

89. Yup. And why don't you distribute your wealth to those in need, instead of hording it?

You do know, archbishop, that you can't take it with you - right?

[Cha]

93. Well Done! 🤷‍♂️💕

💙💛

[LakeArenal]

3. That's okay. She can repent on her death bed and it's all good.

[SKKY]

4. I don't have a dog in this fight, but your GIF is EPIC!!!

[wnylib]

135. I am not Catholic, but I do have a dog in this fight

because I am a woman, because I support the right to abortion choice, and because I am an American citizen.

The citizen part is important because, as citizens, we cannot allow any church, whether Catholic or Evangelical, to dictate their beliefs on everyone.

As a private, independent organization, the Catholic Church is entitled to refuse communion to any of its members, if the rules of the church allow it. But when they grandstand about it against a national leader during an election year, then they are blatantly using their religion for political ends to attempt to make their beliefs the law for everyone.

It would be interesting if Madame Speaker responded by attending an Episcopal Church for communion. The Episcopal Church is a priestly church (as compared to churches that have ministers, not priests). They share the Catholic belief in transubstantiation of the elements of communion. They accept all baptized people to communion, whether or not they are Episcopalian. They do not forbid abortion. Although they advise people to seek help in finding alternative solutions to abortion, they recognize that it is a complex issue and that the option should be available.

If Nancy Pelosi went to an Episcopal Church for communion, it might inspire other Catholics to do the same in finding a place where they can keep their faith and also support choice.

[wnylib]

136. P.S. I am not Episcopalian and am not

trying to gain members for their church. I am just pointing out what could be an alternative for pro choice Catholics.

[MOMFUDSKI]

5. Just one more man

telling a woman what she can and cannot do. Fuck him and his church.

[Fullduplexxx]

6. Ha love that ... stealing 🤣

[Prof. Toru Tanaka]

7. That gif says it all.

Fuck him and his pompous attitude.

[peacefreak2.0]

9. Oh, the gasp of the dying patriarchy.

Nancy and her God will be just fine.

[dem4decades]

10. Have we brought to justice all those that participated in and covered up the church sex scandal? .

In other words, he can go fuck himself.

[onetexan]

81. +1 -K&R

[bluboid]

90. not to mention the increasing number of dead remains of Native American children...

entrusted by their parents to tribal schools run by the Catholic church in the US & Canada!!!!!!!!!!

how's that for sickening despotic arrogance!

what say we have a little pause for healing & reconciliation, huh?

so far the Catholic Church in Amerca does NOT seem to be interested in the least!

[llmart]

130. +1000

That's my response to this self-righteous prick with the funny hat.

[kacekwl]

11. Who died and apointed

him god ?

[FakeNoose]

12. Wow that archbishop is so far removed from reality

[maxsolomon]

27. His position is the same as most other US Bishops

The RCC in the US is in conflict with Rome over this issue.

[GB_RN]

113. Which Is Contrary To What The Pope Has Publicly Stated...

These asshats in beanies are actively defying their boss since Francis said that they are not to deny communion to political figures who are pro-choice.

[Karma13612]

13. So, good luck with staying

Apolitical and what happened to separation of church and state? Oh, that’s right. It only matters when Dems do it.

Good For You, Arch Bishop Corleone
Sorry, Cordileone…

[Ferrets are Cool]

14. Pompous asswipe motherfucker

Go play dress up in your home and leave the rest of us the FUCK alone.

[iluvtennis]

21. +++ agree. n/t

[NoMoreRepugs]

127. THIS. TY.

[roamer65]

15. From the Church of Child Molestation.

Typical religious hypocrisy.

[OneCrazyDiamond]

126. Aren't they all?

[Solly Mack]

16. It takes a special kind of chutzpah for anyone in an organization known for its protection

of pedophiles to roleplay at being a bastion of what is and isn't good.

[smirkymonkey]

84. +1000

Seriously, the hypocrisy is nauseating.

[bucolic_frolic]

17. "God is not pleased. We have enemies of the faith in the kingdom"

So said the arrest warrant for the Knights Templar on October 13, 1307.

The game never changes. Power, money, control, in perpetuity.

[Tickle]

18. She seems to take her religion

seriously so I hope she is ok with this

[Patterson]

40. Just join the Methodists.

[Tickle]

50. lol you can't tell a catholic

to do that. lol I don't think you can

[Patterson]

54. It would solve a lot of problems.

[MontanaMama]

53. My guess is she isn't okay with this.

However, show me one time Nancy didn’t get the last laugh. This piss ant hasn’t seen anything yet.

[mcar]

61. She spends a lot of time in DC

and must have a church home there. Still, yes, I imagine it is distressing to her.

[bottomofthehill]

129. She takes her religion very seriously.

After her trip to Ukraine she got back to the relative safety of Poland, found a Catholic Church and went to Mass. Her Catholic faith helps to maintain her in the fight to do good. The bishops should be trying to make the Church a more inviting place instead of finding ways to push people away.

[Hekate]

19. If I recall correctly, when asked about the priestly class's opinion on reproductive issues,she said

“They are wrong.”

I don’t think repentance is in the cards.

[AKwannabe]

20. Bet the pedo priests

Still get communion.

[delisen]

22. Such a clown. Archbishops, cardinals. We need the religious who take vows of poverty.

I had to leave the silliness when I was 13. I respect many religious but never the grandiose and cruel.

To claim to speak for god is actually blasphemy.

[Lettuce Be]

23. Love me some religion that tells me I'm not worthy

What a joke. This just points out how silly it all is, but that's just me.

Reminds me of the friend I have, Catholic, was married for over 20 years, four children. All kids are grown now, and he has divorced and wants to remarry. Catholic church required him to have his first marriage annulled. You heard that right, annulled, as if it never occurred (what about the kids?), so of course he did that because ...

I didn't tell him how stupid I thought that was -- he can believe what he wants but I seriously thought it was about the dumbest thing I'd ever heard

[Ray Bruns]

24. Ooooohhhhh. The man in the ridiculous hat said I can't eat a cracker on Sunday.

GFY

[musette_sf]

25. Hey Sal, I'm pretty sure that drunk drivers

perpetrate grave evil, cause scandal, and endanger their own souls.

And it’s doubly evil to make light of such a grave sin, particularly at one’s own installation.

So you’ll be banning yourself from Holy Communion, yes?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/10/05/catholic-archbishop-dui-jokes/1614669/

(PS, Sal’s mama was in the car with him. Quite the loving son, not.)

[brooklynite]

26. The Archbishop of Brooklyn tried this after marriage equality...

Meh.

[obamanut2012]

28. He isn't allowed to do that

[BadgerMom]

30. Extremely sketchy to announce the status of one of your flock to the world via Twitter.

Way to go, Cardinal Pompous Ass.

[doc03]

31. The church has paid out over $2 billion in lawsuits

of sexual abuse from the clergy.

[maxsolomon]

32. Evangelicals get a lot of ire for their opposition to abortion

but it's been a longstanding position of the US RCC as well. my mass-attending cousins all vote GQP specifically over this issue.

Sermons on the sanctity of life delivered by celibates are quite common in the conservative German Catholic churches of my hometown of Cincinnati. my father hears one nearly every week.

so fine, Archbishop of SF, a libertine city where no one gives much of a crap about religion, deny her access to your magic ritual. she'll live.

[kimbutgar]

33. That archbishop is a major troll and he is responsible for the Catholic Church in SF losing

Parishioners who have been leaving the church because of him. I don’t know why they put this insane asshole as the archbishop in SF.

I’m sure Nancy doesn’t t give a shit what this guy says.

[Pepsidog]

48. Send his ass to Bumblefuckville.

[Scrivener7]

34. Apparently (and unsurprisingly) he lives under a rock and never noticed Nancy's

consistent pro-choice stance in the past.

Or he did and he's just an attention mongering troll.

Yeah. That's it!

[Novara]

35. how very christian

not

[Traildogbob]

36. Fuck him and his flock of young men assaulters.

God’s OK with that I guess. California has some of the finest wines in the world. She does not need to drink their swill to honor her god. You go Madam Speaker. Pretty sure the real God has a chair at the table waiting in your honor for all the good you’ve fault for your whole life. And zero trumps there to have to look at across the table and give hand gestures to.

[tiredtoo]

37. Is that some kind of punishment?

[NQAS]

38. Church state

1. Tax the fuck out of them.

2. Pope Francis: your priests are ignoring you. Defrock the bastards.

[Hassler]

39. She should walk out at communion and it won't be long before

Most of the church leaves with her. The Bishop will predictably go nuts. Plus she'll get a head start on her day.

[ChazII]

45. +1 Totally agree.n/t

[NQAS]

80. I love that idea

But I doubt she will. She may just stop going. Given who she is, that will be quite a signal. Also, she probably has the means of getting directly in touch with the Pope. Could be interesting if she chooses to play it that way.

But, once more, it highlights the need to enforce separation of church and state. And once a church - any church, crosses that line, set the wheels in motion to tax them. One church at a time. The message will be clear.

Unfortunately, the government doesn't have the balls to try this.

[KS Toronado]

41. Believe it or not

I have a retired Nun who lives next door and believes abortion should be legal, can't remember all the
reasons she mentioned but I do remember her last line and it went something like this........

"If God truly hates abortion, St Peter will punish them on Judgment Day, that knowledge alone should
make some people happy but it never will, and they'll never stop attacking women to live the way they
think they should live. When St Peter meets these people he'll inform them that they never treated
their neighbor the way they wanted to be treated. Remember that's the only commandment in the
new testament."

Wise words from a old grade school teacher....

[Emile]

42. Is this the same guy who was molesting little boys?

[Celerity]

47. He is one of the POS Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke's RW goon squad.

Anti vaxxer, psychotically anti LGBTQ, etc.

[BidenRocks]

43. Take it up with the Pope.

You do not have that authority!

[Pepsidog]

46. I wonder what Jesus would think of that.

[ZonkerHarris]

49. I'll bet he's molested a few altar boys during his time in the clergy

[The Jungle 1]

51. Christianity is real clear about who does the judging

It ain't some priest in Frisco.
Christo-fascists will not run this country! You dopes are driving more Americans away from the church. Strong work there.
So tell me white collar are you going to refuse communion to all your followers who use birth control. You say they all should be using the rhythm method of birth control? Judge them collar boy!

[MontanaMama]

52. Fuck that guy.

The Catholic Church hid child rapists in their midst. Catholics are no more pro life than republicans.

[aka-chmeee]

56. Where, Oh where is Earl Butz when we need him? nt

[keep_left]

122. Wow, that's a blast from the past!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Butz
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/04/washington/04butz.html

[dalton99a]

57. U.S. bishops are Trump-worshiping fascists. Francis should replace them

[Mr. Ected]

58. Pure grandstanding. This message should have been private between Nancy and her priest.

Whatever grave evil resides inside this imposter's body, this is akin to holding a press conference with the priest moments after Nancy left the confessional booth.

[mcar]

59. I wonder if the Archdiocese will return

the no-doubt hefty donations the Pelosis have made to the church over the decades. Ill gotten gains and all that.

[sinkingfeeling]

60. I'd bet she can find a progressive priest who would give her communion.

[mvd]

62. Oh my, I am sure Pelosi is running around in a panic

Her soul is in danger!

[Norbert]

63. A bishop or in this case an archbishop cannot do this

[Norbert]

64. A bishop or in this case an archbishop cannot do this

The best he can do is try to excommunicate her but I doubt he could even follow through with that.

[FBaggins]

134. That's incorrect

In fact, in the RCC, the bishop is specifically the one who can do so.

The issue actually came up fairly recently when the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith had to tell the US Conference of Catholic Bishops that they could not set a national policy that superseded the decision of individual bishops in their own diocese.

[patphil]

65. Committing grave evil? Someone is, but I don't think it's Nancy Pelosi.

[Maine Abu El Banat]

66. Once again

Protect the fetus, let the alter boy be molested.

[BlueJac]

67. How can the Pope say something about taking innocent likes?

They murdered more innocent people than any other organization in the world.

[Gore1FL]

69. Next time there is an occasion, she can fly to Rome and get it from the Pope. nt

[SCantiGOP]

70. My education and real-world experience caused me to leave the Catholic Church at 17

Half a century later, I have no interest in returning, but this crap is just outrageous.
Since he is going against the direct wishes of the Pope as the direct successor to Saint Peter, could the Pope issue a statement that this asshole can't receive his own communion any more?

[mvd]

78. I agree on all counts

I used to be Catholic, but I moved to non-religious spiritual because there was just too much I disagreed with them on. In Catholic high school I had to fake things a bit. But then no more.

[spanone]

71. She should tell him where to put it.

I was raised catholic. fuck 'em.

[EndlessWire]

72. I am not Catholic

but, I don't think this guy is qualified to refuse the Body of Christ to anyone. He's just miffed that no one in her circle thinks he is important enough to call him back.

[mnhtnbb]

73. Mansplaining from one of the crew

that brought Europe The Inquisition and, more recently, the scandal of hiding the numerous priests who are pedophiles among their gang of "Fathers".

Contemptible a$$hole.

[Jilly_in_VA]

74. Meanwhile, what he HE doing in his off hours?

[maxrandb]

76. "Religion is what keeps the poor from eating the rich"

- Napoleon

[icymist]

77. I'm tired of this crap. Tax the church if they're getting involved in politics already!

nt

[spanone]

82. ⇧⇧⇧⇧⇧⇧⇧⇧⇧

[JCMach1]

79. How about he clarify his position on pedophilia before he throws that stone

Glass houses and all

[usonian]

83. I hereby ban priests from receiving sex with kids.

https://www.newsweek.com/rhode-island-priest-abortion-ban-communion-1486470
Newsweek Feb 2020.

[mnhtnbb]

88. What a sanctimonious scumbag.

As if no abused child has ever committed suicide. Typical equation, too, that a fetus is equal to a living child of 8 or 10 or 12.

The Catholic Church just wants to control women and make sure spooge is considered sacred. They need minions to keep themselves in the luxury to which they've become accustomed and insure themselves a supply of little boys to diddle at their leisure.

[Talitha]

85. IIRC, didn't a church leader say President Biden shouldn't be able to receive Communion?

So... when Joe was at the Vatican, he spoke to the Pope about it.

And the Pope said to keep receiving Communion.

Nancy - take your case to the Vatican.

Fuck these church leaders.
Sideways, with a broomstick.
Twice.

[BumRushDaShow]

103. Yes - was just going to post

In that case, the General Secretary of the United States Conference of Bishops was sprearheading that effort and they came up with a draft. Meanwhile the Pope said "Um no, you won't be doing that".

And then later that hypocritical priest resigned when he was found to be using a gay dating app and the final statement that was released by the group was generic and didn't call out any individuals.

[Talitha]

117. Thanks for the links - VERY informative!

[BumRushDaShow]

118. You are welcome!

I remember when this happened and they toned down their eventual "statement", but missed the later outcome about that priest getting "caught" and resigning (and why).

It always ends up that people like this are guilty of the very thing they accuse others of doing.

[dchill]

86. Some sins can be overlooked; some can't.

He's the Decider. Jesus, I hate religion.

[twodogsbarking]

87. What if she says "bettlejuice" five times?

[meadowlander]

91. The one time it's OK to ask to speak to the manager.

[Joinfortmill]

92. Oh, phuck him. On the other hand, no.

[SpankMe]

94. The church is directly intervening in political activity

Take away their tax exempt status. Now.

[Alpeduez21]

95. Abortions mean

less children to abuse and/or bury in the backyard.

Fuck you RCC.

[keithbvadu2]

119. Or throw babies in the furnace or bury in the basement of the convent.

Or throw babies in the furnace or bury in the basement of the convent.

[GoCubsGo]

96. So, he's deliberately disobeying the Pope?

Time to remove him, Francis.

And, folks wonder why the Church is hemorrhaging members. So glad I got the hell out of there decades ago.

[mwooldri]

97. Yet another time Rome has erred.

While I share for the most part the Church of England's stance on abortion (it's not much more advanced than that of the Church of Rome) there are a couple of overriding things here -

1) who am I to judge? This is a matter between patient, doctor and God as they understand God to be (or not).

2) absolutely no one is worthy of Communion (not me, not you, not the Archbishop, not the Pope, not the Queen, etc) but it's through God's grace that we're welcome at the table. I don't know what part of "all are welcome" the Archbishop doesn't get. Or maybe it's just where Rome has erred. Again of course.

[SpankMe]

98. SF Archdiocese web site

When I try to go to https://www.sfarchdiocese.org/, I get a message saying that the server is "checking my web browser" and then gives me an error 403 - forbidden. Can they tell I've been on DU and hate their guts?

[musette_sf]

102. I think Sal took it down

till the heat dies down

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

99. When JFK was running, the fear was that he would answer to the Pope,

not the people. The issue was settled , and he went on to win.

Now the bishops, fresh off an almost assured victory on abortion, have found a new target -- Catholic politicians in Congress.

Everything we've thought has been settled for last century is up for grabs. It's not all TFG's fault -- there's been an ongoing push toward authoritarianism since Richard Nixon, or maybe earlier. Nixon made the WH guards wear a uniform more suited to a marching band:

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[OMGWTF]

100. More White Male Patriarchy Bullshit.

[sop]

101. The RCC finally apologized for their Nazi ties during WWII, and for failing to take action to stop

the extermination of more than 6 million Jews. The RCC is still struggling to apologize for enabling and covering up child sexual abuse for years. The Catholic Church isn't exactly a bastion of women's rights. These ossified old men really don't have much moral authority to pass judgement on anyone.

[Ligyron]

104. She can have milk and cookies instead.

Do as much good for her "soul" anyway and perhaps more.

Isn't religion about the stupidest thing ever?

Can't believe people still fall for that crap here in the 21st century.

[katusha]

105. pull their tax exemption

if they want to meddle in political affairs they are not entitled to be shielded from paying taxes.

[TroubleMan]

106. She should turn around and tell him that he's no longer enititled to recieve a tax break.

That's only fair.

[W T F]

107. Tell The Archbishop of San Francisco that he's no longer entitled to being exempt from paying taxes.

[NewHendoLib]

108. Fuck him, fuck the Catholic church.

[paleotn]

109. Why should she care?

Transubstantiation. One of the weirdest of freaky religious myths.

[moondust]

110. Say Salvatore,

explain this:

If every fertilized egg is a "gift from God" that must be protected then why does God abandon protection of so many of his "gifts" to hunger, violence, abuse, disease, etc. once delivered?

[Bettie]

111. The Catholic Church talking about evil is pretty funny

priests abusing children, Catholic schools killing indigenous kids, and so much more.

So, thinking that women deserve to be treated as human beings, that's the line for them. Go figure.

[highplainsdem]

112. That sort of stupid authoritarianism is why I left the Catholic Church

in my teens.

Judge not, Cordileone...

[adamas]

142. Catholic dogma in a nutshell ...

Pray, pay and OBEY! (no thinking allowed)

[orangecrush]

114. The Steve Bannon branch

Of the Catholic Church can go fuck itself.

[nolabear]

115. The sheer cruelty of religion is just horrifying.

I get the impulse to try to find meaning and to make metaphors for caring and identifying and all, but it seems that its real purpose, back as far as we know, is to separate, disparage, punish and hurt others.

I’ll take a thousand Pelosis over that evil, cruel puppet any day.

[Habitation]

116. 2000 years after he died so the church could stop shaming

their hypocrisy is too strong to resist so they keep shaming.

[keithbvadu2]

120. Weaponizing communion

[usonian]

121. Pope Francis looks angry.

He put Tony Gemignani’s Pizza on double-secret consecration.

[peppertree]

137. No, no - that the Argentine "I like you, and you're really funny" face

I'm sure he's not too happy with Bishop Corleone (who, by the way, looks like keeps more than his just his stole in the closet).

[czarjak]

123. True pedophiles of The Church get passes though. History happened.

[BlueMTexpat]

124. I would say

"F*ck the Archbishop!" but he would probably like that.

[SouthernDem4ever]

125. The catholic church has some truly worthless people in positions of power

they only hold that power because some people are stupid enough to believe the "if you don't do what I say you'll go to hell" meme.

[IbogaProject]

128. The Episcopal church will serve her

And she might even find a woman priest to do the hokus pokus w a piece of paper like "bread".

[onecaliberal]

131. But all of the priests who raped children are a-okay. Fuck the patriarchy.

[jalan48]

132. I've never understood how educated and informed people can fall for the superstitious nonsense

of religion.

[NameAlreadyTaken]

133. Here he is 13 years ago,

speaking out against gay marriage. (I always thought he was a closet case, by the way.) When he was a priest in San Diego back then, we secretly called him Father Salvatore Fullabaloney.

[peppertree]

138. Hmm...

[KY_EnviroGuy]

139. Has this preacher never heard of the philosophy of separation of church and job?

Speaker Pelosi has a sworn duty to support the Constitution and laws of our land with due consideration of the will of her constituents. That's why on many days, she has to put her religion on the shelf outside her office.

Most people take jobs out of necessity to survive and most have to violate some aspect of their moral beliefs in the course of their work, and quite often. That's true when working for most American companies and Republicans are fine with that.

If this bishop wasn't up to his ears in hypocrisy, he would forbid his parishioners from working for most American corporations. That would indeed set Rethug heads spinning.

Best I recall, the Bible says "render unto Caesar" and not Microsoft or GE......

[chocolatpi]

140. "The Woman in Red", perfect "The Scarlet Letter"

I'm not a facebook or twitter member and really appreciate reading the material DU members share.

[Merlot]

141. Couldn't be any more condescending or sexist if he tried

Hard to imaging him saying this to a man, the "help her understand" thing is always used on women.

After numerous attempts to speak with Speaker Pelosi to help her understand the grave evil she is perpetrating, the scandal she is causing, an the danger to her own soul she is risking, I have determined that she is not to be admitted to Holy Communion.

Next time someone asks me why I'm not religious, I'll just send them this quote.

[Takket]

143. Good. I'm glad that happened.........

It is unfair Pelosi is being punished for standing up for the rights of Americans, against the will of the Pope no less, but I'm going to try to see a bigger picture..........

If this makes someone see the the church is out of line with their personal values, and they decide to leave, so much the better.

If they see politics guiding the church's decisions, against the Pope's will, and they find that abhorrent, and decide to leave because of that corruption, so much the better.

Organized religion is the middle man. Like the middle man, they take a product, buy it from a manufacturer, mark it up 20%, and send it on to a retailer for you to buy. In this case, the product is your eternal soul (if you believe in such things).

Society, and individuals, do not need the middle man. Organized religion is already seeing its numbers dwindle in the USA, and I hope this continues to erode that. My heart goes out to Pelosi's for the persecution she is made to suffer for their corruption, but people will leave the church over this, and hasten its demise. That might still be centuries away. Heck maybe the human race will already have destroyed itself through global warming by then, but the end of organized religion is a day I'll welcome. You don't need them to take your hard earned money so you can talk to God. Their own teachings, ironically, should be proof enough of that.

[Old Crank]

144. Evidently his own house has problems

Drunk driving and nasty comments.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10838575/Archbishop-San-Francisco-BANS-Nancy-Pelosi-entering-communion.html