Breaking news: Pelosi will no longer allow archbishop to give her communion.

[fightforfreedom]

Because he is an asshole.

[RainCaster]

1. Because he ignores papal edicts

[empedocles]

9. Yes

[Walleye]

2. Excellent headline!

[Scrivener7]

3. THAT'S the right headline!

[soldierant]

53. I had to laugh out loud.

With all the a-hole bishops denying communion for the most asinine political disagreements, it is a joy ro see the shoe going on to the other foot. Brava Annunciata!!

[walkingman]

4. Religion is so damn repressive......

It’s time it is called out for what it is – irrational thinking based upon archaic concepts that no longer serve our human advancement towards a sustainable and peaceful future.

[ColinC]

5. So many pro life politicians get denied communion

Has there ever been a pro death penalty politician denied?

[kimbutgar]

6. That archbishop is causing the Catholic Church in SF to lose parishors

A friend of mine who was a practicing Catholic left her long time church when this new archbishop came in and now goes to a non denominal one.

I did 12 years Catholic school. Recently went to a grade school reunion and they had a mass before the reunion. The attendees were 40 people 15 of them were from our reunion the rest of the church goers were easily over 75 years of age. One of my reunion goers mentioned how this archbishop is hated and the Sunday services have been getting smaller since he was installed.

[Takket]

7. huh? what is this about?

[ShazzieB]

12. It would be nice to know, wouldn't it?

[rurallib]

21. Yesterday the archbishop of SF said that Pelosi should be denied communion

because of her stance on abortion:

https://democraticunderground.com/10142920248


San Francisco archbishop denying Pelosi Communion over abortion rights

Source: Washington Post

The Rev. Salvatore J. Cordileone, the Catholic archbishop of San Francisco, said Friday that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) will be denied the sacrament of Holy Communion because of her vocal support for abortion rights.

The edict from Cordileone, one of the country’s most conservative Catholic leaders, represents an extraordinary rebuke of Pelosi’s Catholic faith, which the 82-year-old speaker frequently invokes when discussing her family, her policies and her politics.

Democrats and abortion rights advocates have responded with alarm in recent weeks following the leak of a draft Supreme Court opinion that would overturn the right to abortion established in the landmark Roe v. Wade decision. Cordileone last year called for Communion to be withheld from public figures who support abortion rights but did not mention Pelosi by name at the time.

[wryter2000]

33. And today

The bishop of California (Bay Area) of the Episcopal church publicly welcomed her to take communion at any of our churches.. He also reaffirmed our conviction that women should have control over their reproductive health care.

[calimary]

56. That's more like it.

Glad to hear this. Makes me wonder if I'm really an Episcopalian at heart. The Catholic church kinda lost me a long time ago. NOTHING for women. So why do they need me? I know, I know, when the collection plate is passed around...

I remember when they finally broke down and allowed girls to be altar servers. And that's pretty much all she wrote. They haven't gone any farther and there still are no women being ordained into the priesthood.

[wryter2000]

67. As someone on our altar guild said about the Anglican (breakaway) church in Oakland

"I'll bet they let the women wash the linens." I will not be part of any house of worship who doesn't allow women to serve as priests/ministers/rabbis/imams.

[calimary]

68. A THOUSAND TIMES YES!!!

The Church’s arrogant, dismissive, and downright Neanderthal views about women are a big part of what drove me away. Actually “pushed me away” would be more accurate.

[orleans]

23. see post 21 nt

[wnylib]

8. Pro choice Catholics do have an alternative.

The Episcopal Church will accept for communion anyone who is baptized. They do not have to be Episcopalian. They share the Catholic belief in transubstantiatin of the communion elements. They are a priestly church. They do not ban abortion. They advise members to seek help in finding alternatives to abortion, but they recognize that it is a complex issue and that the option should exist.

Perhaps Speaker Pelosi might consider this option for herself.

DISCLAIMER: I am not Episcopalian. I am not pushing for increased membership in their church. I am just pointing out that it is an alternative for Catholics who want to keep their faith and also support choice.

[AngryOldDem]

15. +1

Do most welcome LBGTQ? I seem to recall that being an issue.

If I would ever go back to organized religion, I’d consider the Episcopal Church. Right now I’m just one in a long line of lapsed Catholics who have been put off by religion by exactly the kind of crap this archbishop has pulled.

[wryter2000]

30. In liberal areas of the country, LGBTQ are very welcome

My church in Oakland has gay and lesbian families and individuals. We helped a transwoman become a priest a few years ago. I'm pleased to say I served on her lay committee. We have had a gay priest for one summer.

The national church's stance is complete inclusion of LGBTQ people at all levels, although so far none have served as presiding bishop. Yet. We have had a woman in that position, and our current presiding bishop is an African American man who is a force of nature.

The church has had a massive internal struggle and with the international church over this issue. We're currently being sanctioned by the international church. But we are not backing down.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

35. The Episcopal Church is LGBTQ friendly

The American Anglican Church (not sure of the exact name) split off to stay homophobic.

[wryter2000]

41. They split off earlier than that

They did over the ordination of women and the new prayer book, which they considered "liberal." Beware of Anglican churches in the United States.

[wnylib]

36. Yes, they not only accept LGBTQ members,

but they ordain them. They also allow priests to marry.

I have some Episcopalian friends who are former Catholics and have occasionally gone to church with them. That's how I learned about them.

[summer_in_TX]

50. The Episcopal Church was the first major American

denomination to appoint an openly gay bishop, Gene Robinson, in the diocese of New Hampshire back in 2008. They've developed a liturgy of marriage and appointed another gay bishop since then. In many locations, the conservatives split off, calling themselves Anglicans.

[ShazzieB]

17. Good suggestion except

The Episcopal Church does not share the Catholic belief in transubstantiation.

https://www.catholicalternative.com/structure-of-the-catholic-mass-and-the-episcopal-holy-eucharist/

[wryter2000]

31. From your link

"Catholics believe one thing (transubstantiation), while Episcopalians believe another thing (or actually several different things."

That's a little vague, lol. But it does point out that we tend to revise things to suit our own beliefs. Our structure isn't as hierarchical as the Catholics'. No one I know takes what the Archbishop of Canterbury says seriously. And many of us refer to the Holy Spirit with female pronouns.

What I've been told (at least in my church) is we believe in "trans-something"--I can't remember the term. That states that if a person believes the waver and wine become Jesus's body and blood, they do. Mine don't, but I love the ritual, anyway.

[wnylib]

37. OK. There is a very thin line of difference.

Had to look this up since I am not Episcopalian, but have attended Episcopal services often. The official Episcopal answer is "real presence," not transubstantiation. Real presence is believed by many to be spiritual presence, but is not clearly defined.

My mistake came from attending Episcopal services with friends. At their Episcopal church, there are chimes when the bread is consecrated, and again when the wine is consecrated, as in Catholic churches, although not all Catholic churches sound the chimes any more.

[wryter2000]

42. I have been to Episcopal churches that use chimes

Mine doesn't, although the rector says we have some. We tend to do things our own way.

[wnylib]

45. I grew up in the Lutheran church, so

I found this particular Episcopal church pretty high church for me. Lutherans do not have chimes at all for communion. The chimes used in that Episcopal church remind me of the sound that children's tricycle bells used to make. So when I heard the chimes, that's what I thought of and had to suppress a giggle. I had a mental image from a Harry Potter film in which Graup, the giant half brother of Hagrid, picks up a junk handlebar and rings the chime when he gives it to Hermione.

Besides the priest, there is a youth pastor and another guy whose title I heard once but don't remember. He wears an elaborate outfit that reminds me of something Medieval, complete with a red head covering that is like a beret. As far as I can see, his main role is to walk down the center aisle at a particular point in the service holding a HUGE open book. Not sure what that is all about.

But the liturgy of the service is very similar to the Lutheran liturgy and easy for me to follow.

[Brother Buzz]

20. I'm an Episcopal, which is Catholic Lite. It's like same religion, half the guilt. - Robin Williams

Robin William’s Top 10 Reasons To Be An Episcopalian


10. No snake handling.

9. You can believe in dinosaurs.

8. Male and female God created them; male and female we ordain them.

7. You don’t have to check your brains at the door.

6. Pew aerobics.

5. Church year is color-coded.

4. Free wine on Sunday.

3. All of the pageantry – none of the guilt.

2. You don’t have to know how to swim to get baptized.

And the Number One reason to be an Episcopalian:

1. No matter what you believe, there’s bound to be at least one other Episcopalian who agrees with you.

[wryter2000]

43. LOL I used to take my pet snake to church for the blessing of the animals

One of the priests is fine with reptiles. The others aren't. I never imposed my snake on people who were afraid of it.

[JI7]

48. I think for many Liberal Catholics they are more cultural Catholics

It's about doing things they did with their family while growing up. Not really about specific beliefs.

[mwooldri]

49. Also depends on the congregation.

ECUSA (and the wider Anglican Communion) are schism-ed all over the place, yet for the most part do try to stay together. Some communities are Roman Catholic wannabees and some are as far from Roman Catholicism as you can get while remaining in the Anglican traditions. In my mind the worldwide Anglican Communion is as close as you can get to a "one size fits all" mainstream Christian church - certainly not a "my way or the highway" church on absolutely everything.

[SharonAnn]

55. My friend says they're "all the liturgy, half the guilt" "Smells, bells and pyrotechniques".

[Alice Kramden]

10. Good one

That is as it should be

[spanone]

11. So this archbishop just NOW found out Speaker Pelosi is Pro Choice? TAX THE CHURCH.

[SergeStorms]

25. Positively correct.

It's long overdue to start taxing these politically active churches. They want to help choose our government? Fine, then tax them at the highest corporate rate and they can play politics from the pulpit.

That is fair and equitable.

[AngryOldDem]

13. "Pastoral, not political." BULLSHIT.

As I’ve always said…this is a matter between the communicant and his or her pastor. Nobody else. Putting Pelosi on blast is grandstanding — political grandstanding at that.

Tired of the Church playing gatekeeper and deciding who and who is not worthy of the sacraments. Especially with all the damn skeletons in ITS closet.

I’m sure her conscience on this issue is clear, which is all that matters.

(As a side note, start taxing churches, too. Tired of them coming right up to the line politically. Pay to play, baby.)

[txwhitedove]

16. Exactly.

[wnylib]

38. It is blatantly political.

As a private institution, the Catholic church has the right to refuse communion if that is part of their rules.

But when they choose to make a very public issue out of it with a high ranking politician during an election year when the country is waiting for a SC ruling on the subject, it is most definitely, undoubtedly political.

By making it political, the Catholic church is trying to force its beliefs on everyone.

Pretty nervy of an institution that hides and protects sexual predators of children.

[Fozzledick]

14. Link?

I thought this was an entry for "Is it The Onion or is it Borowitz."

[DownriverDem]

18. The Pope

will tell the priests there to ignore the archbishop.

[wolfie001]

19. Trumper Republican Asshole!!!

That is the only reason he opened his trap.

[fightforfreedom]

28. Exactly.

[wolfie001]

29. Thanks!

I paused before I sent it but I'm so pissed about this topic!

[dlk]

22. I wonder what prompted the archbishop's outburst?

Pelosi’s views have been public knowledge for years.

[littlemissmartypants]

51. Dark MAGA?

[dlk]

66. It appears someone's strings were pulled

The archbishop’s timing appears politically motivated. How different things would be if we had an actual separation of church and state.

[Samrob]

24. Love it! nt

[jalan48]

26. LOL.Wouldn't it be great if Pelosi would say this?

[Rebl2]

27. As far

as I am concerned he had no right to speak out about that. It should have been a private conversation. Would they do this to an ordinary person in the church? Come out publicly and say John Doe will no longer be able to take communion because he believes in abortion rights. I think he made it political by doing this. I also thought the Pope came out against this kind of thing anyway.

[wryter2000]

32. I think they would do it to individuals

I had to convince a Catholic visitor to my church that she could take communion even though she was divorced. She hadn't taken communion for decades. If someone is a true believer, I think that's utterly cruel to do to them.

[LuckyLib]

57. Another horrific example of the cruelty of the RCC.

Mine began in first grade when the nun told me my mother would go to hell because she married a Catholic (she was Lutheran). It was a “mixed marriage”.

[Joinfortmill]

34. 👍

[jmowreader]

39. "Nancy Pelosi can no longer take communion because...

…she believes in the evil of abortion.”

“Fine by me. I hope you won’t miss those monthly $25,000 checks I’ve been sending you.”

“Umm…let’s come to an accommodation. You repent and condemn the evil that is abortion, and we’ll graciously allow you to take communion again.”

“No, that’s alright. I think I’m going to heed the advice in the Bible and pray privately from now on.”

[Mariana]

60. Let's see if she actually does anything like that. nt.

[Nay]

62. I would like Pelosi to say, "Hmm, really? You tell me this publicly in an election year?

Sounds political and coercive to me. I'll have the Dept of Justice take a deep dive into your church to see if it should pay taxes."

[Mariana]

63. It's nothing new that the Church interferes in politics, and the Speaker knows it. nt.

[Nay]

64. Oh, I know that. But can't I wish that just once, a Dem politician would sling

some serious s**t back at an attacker?

[Mariana]

65. You can wish, I guess.

If Pelosi was inclined at all to push back against her Church, I think she would have done it a long time ago.

[usonian]

40. Al Capone was a better person, you see.

https://catholicstand.com/al-capone-repentant-catholic/

When he died newspapers reported that during his lifetime “he was blamed directly or indirectly for 500 deaths.” Another newspaper account in the Washington Evening Star reported the number at “701…[killed during] his vicious mob rule in Chicago’s “turbulent 1920s.’” This included the infamous Saint Valentine Day’s Massacre when seven gangsters were gunned down execution-style. He was never charged with murder. During his criminal career historical accounts relate that he made between $60 and $100 million a year in illicit profits. ...

While in Alcatraz, Capone returned to the Catholic faith. He and his fellow inmates built the first chapel at Alcatraz in a small room off the infirmary. In letters to Mae, he related that he frequently attended Mass, routinely went to Confessions and received Communion.

https://www.newsweek.com/rhode-island-priest-abortion-ban-communion-1486470
Newsweek Feb 2020.

[soldierant]

52. Spoken like a true pedophile.

That's not an accusation (though it is of coure possible), just a statement that that is the way pedophiles think.

Most normal, sane people think that taking a child's innocence and saddling him or her withinternal demmons for the rest of their natural lives is worse than killing someone. Pedophiles don't get that.

[usonian]

54. That's true on so many levels that a mathematician would have fits trying to count them.

Love thy neighbor

and don't get caught.

I need a drink.

[Emile]

44. I wonder how many pro death penalty politicians are denied communion from

their priests? My guess, none!

[The Jungle 1]

46. Judging people is not a priests job!

Bible Gateway Matthew 7 :: NIV. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

I wish these ass-hats would study Christianity. Wonder why so many people are leaving the church? They have turned it into a church of hate.

[Mr.Bill]

47. Note to anyone worried that a Catholic president

would take orders from the Pope:

Archbishops don't even take orders from the Pope.

[OverBurn]

58. When will these asshole churches have to pay taxes? They're all to damn political.

[Deminpenn]

59. And the Catholic Church wonders why its membership

in the US is declining.

[nuxvomica]

61. Rightly so! Who knows where those eucharists have been?

I bet he licks them all before mass because he obviously has boundary issues.