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kimbutgar

(21,492 posts)
Sat May 21, 2022, 08:07 PM May 2022

Yesterday I was subbing in a 4th grade class and a student was doing a report on global

Last edited Sun May 22, 2022, 02:29 PM - Edit history (1)

Climate change. I talked with him about how it is so important that we try to save our planet and do things to help it. When I came home I thought about this discussion and then thought even though my first immediate worry is climate change at the moment I’m more concerned about the democracy in this country and struggled with that quandary.

So I decided to do my first ever poll:

Are you worried more about…


43 votes, 1 pass | Time left: Unlimited
I'm more worried about global climate change and it is my first priority
8 (19%)
I'm more worried in the immediate future if the USA survives democracy.
34 (79%)
Other worry than those two choices
1 (2%)
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Yesterday I was subbing in a 4th grade class and a student was doing a report on global (Original Post) kimbutgar May 2022 OP
I'm more worried about democracy because Elessar Zappa May 2022 #1
+1 pandr32 May 2022 #8
+10 exactly And I do worry about climate change electric_blue68 May 2022 #23
+1 nt avebury May 2022 #36
I worry about things I know concretely will happen Sympthsical May 2022 #2
Exactly we can do it May 2022 #3
I said democracy, and it's as Essar says. However, I believe fears Hortensis May 2022 #4
Both are essential for our future TreasonousBastard May 2022 #5
Climate change is more serious because it means... ananda May 2022 #6
I'm worried that soon your state will force through a law-- viva la May 2022 #7
My first thought as I was reading OP. nt DeeNice May 2022 #34
Well..in the great state of Florida.. Deuxcents May 2022 #9
He can't ban anything. It's not like he can give make decrees. tirebiter May 2022 #16
Even in my blue family, none of my blood relatives praised my environmental work Tetrachloride May 2022 #10
Thanks for doing that work. I was marching for Renewable Energies in the '80's. electric_blue68 May 2022 #24
you can't have one without the other Takket May 2022 #11
So-called democracy hasn't addressed the climate issue up to now, Ron Green May 2022 #12
Democracy deals with nothing. tirebiter May 2022 #14
People have rarely voted for the planet and against their own comfort, Ron Green May 2022 #22
Both simultaneously. 2naSalit May 2022 #13
Do autocrats care about climate change? moondust May 2022 #15
I'm just glad you're not required to "teach both sides of the climate-change controversy". Mister Ed May 2022 #17
Climate change róisín_dubh May 2022 #18
The greater imminent threat Meowmee May 2022 #19
Climate Change nt Raine May 2022 #20
we are screwed Demovictory9 May 2022 #21
Our democracy may not survive the catastrophe climate change will bring. Kaleva May 2022 #25
Climate change has already kicked down the doors and now it's in the house. hunter May 2022 #26
We can still stop the worst case scenario regarding climate. Elessar Zappa May 2022 #28
To stop it from increasing 4 degrees will take a massive effort worldwide. Kaleva May 2022 #29
Can't take effective action against climate change if we lose our democracy Martin Eden May 2022 #27
When do you think we'll start taking effective action against climate change? Kaleva May 2022 #30
Do you disagree with my statement? Martin Eden May 2022 #31
Can you provide evidence that even with a democracy, effective action is being taken? Kaleva May 2022 #32
I made no such claim Martin Eden May 2022 #33
To me it's a false choice. Tommy Carcetti May 2022 #35
I firmly believe that too many Rethugs are or will be guilty of avebury May 2022 #37

Sympthsical

(9,238 posts)
2. I worry about things I know concretely will happen
Sat May 21, 2022, 08:13 PM
May 2022

That is climate change and all the disaster that comes with it.

Our democracy? I am not in panic mode about it.

But I don't get into panic mode about most political things. So far, I haven't been steered wrong.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. I said democracy, and it's as Essar says. However, I believe fears
Sat May 21, 2022, 08:19 PM
May 2022

related to climate change and disappearing fresh water are the main force behind the global anxiety and surge of nativist authoritarian movements, including of course angry reaction to the specter of many millions of people forced to migrate to cooler climates.

ananda

(29,032 posts)
6. Climate change is more serious because it means...
Sat May 21, 2022, 08:28 PM
May 2022

survival of all large life forms is at risk...

sooner rather than later.

viva la

(3,452 posts)
7. I'm worried that soon your state will force through a law--
Sat May 21, 2022, 08:43 PM
May 2022

That makes it a crime to talk to students about climate change.

Deuxcents

(16,814 posts)
9. Well..in the great state of Florida..
Sat May 21, 2022, 08:58 PM
May 2022

Our former governor, Rick Scott, who is now one of our senators, put a ban on the term “climate change” and instructed state employees to use “ sea level rise” . I don’t put anything past deniers in office.

tirebiter

(2,554 posts)
16. He can't ban anything. It's not like he can give make decrees.
Sun May 22, 2022, 12:59 AM
May 2022

Much less raise our taxes so billionaires can continue paying nothing.

Tetrachloride

(8,020 posts)
10. Even in my blue family, none of my blood relatives praised my environmental work
Sat May 21, 2022, 09:18 PM
May 2022

Eventually, I was forced out.

I joined social work activities recently in a distant land and participate in the DU Foreign Affairs sections.

Takket

(21,896 posts)
11. you can't have one without the other
Sat May 21, 2022, 09:21 PM
May 2022

so democracy is more important. if the rethugs succeed in scrapping our way of life and country, they will ban all non-fossil fuel sources of energy, and while we drown from sea level rise and roast from heat waves, they will say it is God's wrath for years of Democratic rule...........

tirebiter

(2,554 posts)
14. Democracy deals with nothing.
Sun May 22, 2022, 12:54 AM
May 2022

Doing things democratically is how you bottle that up. Anti democratic forces will obviously choose to use climate change to their ends. So both gotta be did to get either done.

moondust

(20,095 posts)
15. Do autocrats care about climate change?
Sun May 22, 2022, 12:57 AM
May 2022

Not to my knowledge. More likely to call it a hoax and hold up a snowball to prove their point.

Mister Ed

(5,991 posts)
17. I'm just glad you're not required to "teach both sides of the climate-change controversy".
Sun May 22, 2022, 01:34 AM
May 2022

But the way it's going, I'm worried that teachers in many states might soon have to do exactly that.

róisín_dubh

(11,811 posts)
18. Climate change
Sun May 22, 2022, 02:48 AM
May 2022

Then again, I don’t live in the US anymore. 🤷🏻?♀️ Climate change is a global existential threat.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
19. The greater imminent threat
Sun May 22, 2022, 03:16 AM
May 2022

is obviously fascism and insanity. If this country goes under to fascism, good luck trying to do anything about climate change.

We have seen what fascism has already done. The murder of over a million due to lies and an improper response to covid, an on going pandemic which is denied, a destabilized rule of law, a country ruled by an electoral college and a government in deadlock, a major war which threatens us all, massive inflation and other economic stresses.

Climate change damage is done already and it can’t be stopped. But we need to do whatever can be done at this point. The main cause is overpopulation.

Kaleva

(36,577 posts)
25. Our democracy may not survive the catastrophe climate change will bring.
Sun May 22, 2022, 11:24 AM
May 2022

Your comment:

" I talked with him about how it is so important that we try to save our planet and do things to help it."

If this planet could be saved, it would have been done already. Thus I believe our only chance is to work to adapt to what is coming. Many won't make it it but some will.

hunter

(38,467 posts)
26. Climate change has already kicked down the doors and now it's in the house.
Sun May 22, 2022, 11:48 AM
May 2022

There's worse coming, whatever we do.

Fewer people will be hurt if we have a functional democracy to deal with it.

Humans, especially wealthy humans who are used to insulating themselves from the rest of the world with money, have a remarkable ability to ignore the suffering of others.

I don't preach any philosophy of hopelessness, no whatever, there's nothing I can do, but it does irritate me that a lot of the hopes sold by the bucket full on television and other mass media won't "save the world."

Wind turbines on hillsides, for example, don't give me the warm fuzzies. Neither do solar panels on the desert.

Elessar Zappa

(14,295 posts)
28. We can still stop the worst case scenario regarding climate.
Sun May 22, 2022, 03:13 PM
May 2022

We won’t hold it to a 1.5 degree increase but we can stop it from increasing 4 degrees.

Kaleva

(36,577 posts)
29. To stop it from increasing 4 degrees will take a massive effort worldwide.
Sun May 22, 2022, 03:40 PM
May 2022

And if this poll is anywhere near accurate, then a big majority don't believe it's a priority.

Martin Eden

(12,947 posts)
27. Can't take effective action against climate change if we lose our democracy
Sun May 22, 2022, 02:27 PM
May 2022

Rightwing fascists will gut environmental regulations and promote Drill Baby Drill.

Kaleva

(36,577 posts)
30. When do you think we'll start taking effective action against climate change?
Sun May 22, 2022, 04:04 PM
May 2022

Every year the reports are getting worse and worse and we are very near the tipping point. Some scientists think we may already be past the point of no return.

"UN warns that world risks becoming 'uninhabitable hell' for millions unless leaders take climate action."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/13/world/un-natural-disasters-climate-intl-hnk/index.html

"Greenhouse gas levels hit record; world struggles to curb damage"

https://www.reuters.com/business/cop/world-scrambles-contain-damage-greenhouse-gas-emissions-hit-record-2021-10-25/

"'It's now or never': World's top climate scientists issue ultimatum on critical temperature limit"

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/04/ipcc-report-climate-scientists-issue-ultimatum-on-1point5-degrees-goal.html

"The Po, Italy's Longest River, So Drained By Drought That Seawater Is Moving Upstream At The Delta"

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/1127153074

"Critical climate indicators broke records in 2021, says UN"

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/may/18/critical-climate-indicators-broke-records-in-2021-says-un

Martin Eden

(12,947 posts)
31. Do you disagree with my statement?
Sun May 22, 2022, 07:19 PM
May 2022

That if we lose our democracy to rightwing fascists that NO effective action will take place, and more likely they will expand the use of fossil fuels?

The climate action in the Build Back Better legislation was not all we could have hoped for, but it was perhaps the best that could be cobbled together with politics such as they are.

To answer your question, effective action is unlikely unless we he have 60 senators or eliminate the filibuster.

Even then, the Democratic Party is constrained by the imperative to win elections among a voting public which is far from united on the action to be taken.

But if any action is to be taken it is absolutely imperative we save our democracy and elect Democrats.

The health of Earth's environment which sustains life itself is of paramount importance, for beyond the vicissitudes of politics.

But if you believe effective action is necessary, we must first save our democracy.

Kaleva

(36,577 posts)
32. Can you provide evidence that even with a democracy, effective action is being taken?
Tue May 24, 2022, 05:36 AM
May 2022

Plus, the US alone cannot combat climate change. You need every industrial nation in the world involved for any chance of success. And that includes China and India who are continuing to build coal fired power plants.

We can't get sensible gun control laws passed in this nation and it looks like women are going to lose their right to choose but you think we can get together with Rs and pass a massive bill to fight climate change.

Martin Eden

(12,947 posts)
33. I made no such claim
Tue May 24, 2022, 07:26 AM
May 2022

I pointed out that in order to take effective action and get our legislation through the Senate we need 60 seats or elimination of the filibuster.

What is your realistic alternative?

Tommy Carcetti

(43,265 posts)
35. To me it's a false choice.
Tue May 24, 2022, 08:43 AM
May 2022

Like if someone were to ask me if I were a cat person or dog person; I like both cats and dogs, for different reasons.

Climate change is more of a global issue, whereas threats to our democracy is a national issue.

Both are critical in different ways.

avebury

(10,964 posts)
37. I firmly believe that too many Rethugs are or will be guilty of
Tue May 24, 2022, 08:58 AM
May 2022

crimes against humanity. The list of what they live to destroy is endless. What they fail to realize is that nothing will save them when everything collapses. They will sit there Pikachu faced while trying to find a way to blame it all on the Democrat/Liberals.

The decision to have children given our current state of affairs is difficult but I would dread having a daughter knowing that there is a good chance that she will grow up without the same rights and privileges that women have fought so hard for. Republicans are working to dumb down public education so that they can keep the masses down trodden.

It is normal for countries to rise up to power and eventually decline, history has showed ample examples of this. But I never dreamed that one party, Republicans, would really be out to crash and burn this country. The rate of decline is appalling and I am not confident that we can stop it because the Republicans have gotten away with so much for so long that the games is pretty rigged. I really think that all Democrats can do is just try to slow things down.

Republicans do not care what the majority of people want.

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