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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis campaign ad! HOLY SHIT YES!
This is without a doubt one of the best, if not THEE BEST, campaign ad I have ever seen in my life!
No sugar coated bullshit, young people are pissed off beyond belief and rightfully so! And yes she's unsheltered.
Are you ready? This may shake a few people up on here but this is what life is like for many people.
Rebecca is running for Congress in WA-06.
This is incredible! Even uses Rage Against The Machine! I love this so much!
EDIT -- You can certainly tell the class divide in the responses. Yup, it's very real.
Link to tweet
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Tom Rinaldo
(23,187 posts)But someone always is. I don't think she will break through completely with this, but shattering the complacency of norms is a critical precursor to fundamental change. There will be more like her, like this. If anything it's been slow in coming; this tone, this resolve. Maybe it will happen faster than I expect.
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)That is direct action activism at it's finest!
Tom Rinaldo
(23,187 posts)and create "legal remedies" that previously were totally "off the table." Oddly, it's her call for a $30 an hour minimum wage which, though justifiable in my mind, tags her more with a label of being "unrealistic" and "non-viable." It's such an obvious wild departure from the benchmark of the status quo where we are still struggling to institute a $15 an hour minimum wage.
LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)Bluethroughu
(7,215 posts)Bluethroughu
(7,215 posts)their citizens for decades. If corporations can afford it there, they can afford it here.
LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)Bluethroughu
(7,215 posts)be enumerated every ten years....
Key words All Peoples. We don't enumerate business every ten years.
Why this is not challenged I don't know.
She has a tough road as we all have a tough road ahead, but there are more of us than there are of them, so I am hopeful.
LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)Bluethroughu
(7,215 posts)That's what I'm trying to say.
It was a horrible decision.
Magoo48
(6,721 posts)Nevertheless, Americans will not be inconvenienced. Not for R v W, not for voting rights, not for homelessness, not for the environment, not for price gouging. And, in the untended garden of our withering Democracy only the weeds of authoritarianism and fascism will thrive.
Leaders wont lead if citizens wont act.
niyad
(132,430 posts)2naSalit
(102,780 posts)What I went through, I'm older though and was able to find a solution but it took almost a year living in my car. Like she said, I did what they told me and it didn't do anything to benefit me but always someone else.
I hope she starts a movement even if she doesn't get elected.
ret5hd
(22,502 posts)the language of unvarnished fuck you!
Eyeball_Kid
(7,604 posts)A recent report of the economic condition of an otherwise booming city of Bend, Oregon, indicates that there is a severe labor shortage for service-related jobs because those without an ample income cannot afford to live there because of the prohibitively expensive housing costs. Those who SERVE others, such as in restaurants and retail outlets, are moving out because rents are way too high.
And they are.
And no one is doing anything about it.
This is how economies break down.
Samrob
(4,298 posts)MY FOLKS, I love them. If you are with her...you are part of "my folks."
sinkingfeeling
(57,834 posts)txwhitedove
(4,385 posts)who mocked me for discussing issues with big words. Guess what my fav word is now?
LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)Not many POC would survive.
Tom Rinaldo
(23,187 posts)of a mass movement like that, even if tactically whites were primarily involved directly. It would definitely force legislation to move the ball forward on the housing crisis if it happened on a large enough scale..
Scrivener7
(59,519 posts)The answer is not to take the homes of others.
And it's not to do an end run around the banks and get yourself arrested or killed.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)Said nothing about taking the homes of others. And an "end run" around the banks is exactly what is needed. How well has NOT doing it worked out so far?
H2O Man
(79,048 posts)bdamomma
(69,532 posts)people need to rise up.
johnnyplankton
(635 posts)She's our version of Lauren Boebert in the mainstream's eyes
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)And should they choose to, they'll get a dose of reality very fast.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)...because they're not consequential. Other than this video, what makes you think she's a significant candidate? (she got 13% in the 2020 election).
nb: the New York Post has thoughtfully run a story about her fringe idea of occupying other people's houses.
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)the media is heavily invested in certain candidates because of their corporate interests.
Policy is what matters.
And you're gaslighting here. She is talking about occupying bank owned homes not people's houses so why are you twisting things around and not being honest, hm? In the ad, the house shown literally says "Foreclosed".
And you're citing the NY Post? A conservative tabloid? Man oh man....
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)...as for your claim, please provide evidence that Derek Kilmer, the Democrat who's held the seat since 2012, is beholden to "corporate interests".
As for who owns the houses, it doesn't matter if its people, Governments or companies. This is the same kind of argument as "its okay to shoplift because the big grocery chain won't miss the money". If you want to make housing available, you do it through the Government building, buying or acquiring property through eminent domain.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)You made her a Boebart clone just by THAT video? But hey, being nice has worked so well so carry on.
RainCaster
(13,702 posts)Is Derek Kilmer leaving office? I'm still getting lots of emails from him.
planetc
(8,923 posts)My housing is secure for the moment, but in what universe can you make a $15./hr wage and also afford a $1200. rent or a $2000. mortgage? No known universe.
We all remember the great recession of 2008. That happened because investors, Wall Street, were investing in American homes. Most of those mortgages were reasonably secure, i.e., the home owner's job was reasonably secure. In a new cases, the mortgage was not secure, because people committing fraud had sold an unaffordable mortgage to an insecure home owner, and nobody knew exactly how much those insecure loans were worth. So Wall Street panicked and everybody except Wall Street paid.
Wall Street is doing it again right now. Many of the social ills in this country are influenced by economic conditions, which are designed to grind many workers into the pavement. It will take politicians with true grit to control our capitalist masters, but it can be done, and it's past time it was done.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Definitely not OK with someone squatting in the house of a small time property owner renting out homes.
I have seen far too many homes trashed out of pure vindictive spite by people who thought they should have free housing on someone else's mortgage.
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)than there are unsheltered people.
Human rights > property rights.
cab67
(3,744 posts)We need to find a legal means to let the homeless move into these properties. Subsidized rent until they can find a job, for example - along with meaningful action to find jobs for those who can work.
Like I said below, not all squatters are homeless people just trying to get out of the weather. There must be a way to provide homes to those who need them while simultaneously closing the door to scam artists.
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)which simply hasn't worked and is a joke at this point
SickOfTheOnePct
(8,710 posts)I have more bedrooms than I currently use because my kids are grown and out of the house...should people be able to just move in and live in my spare rooms?
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)Why are you so afraid of people who are unsheltered?
SickOfTheOnePct
(8,710 posts)so yeah, so technically yeah, it's bank owned.
And I'm not afraid of people who are unsheltered, but that doesn't mean I think they have the right to come live in my house uninvited.
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)And you're twisting things here to fit your narrative.
Nobody is coming to live in your house, Jeez.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)You made quite the leap. Hysterical much?
plimsoll
(1,690 posts)It may not be Eastern WA, but those are some of the Trumpier parts of Western Washington.
Escurumbele
(4,094 posts)This is what happens, there are people who have worked hard to have their primary and secondary homes, none of those are mansions, they are nice middle class properties that have been earned with a lot of sweat. The second home may be unoccupied for most of the year because the family only goes there in the Summer, so during the Summer their primary home is unoccupied...Which one of these homes do you all think people should invade? And the word is "INVADE", not "OCCUPY". How is the criteria set for people to know which homes to invade?
I have seen this happen in other countries, and the results are not good. I would rather have the government set regulations to make sure property costs are kept at an acceptable level, that people start making more money to afford primary and secondary homes, if they so wish.
As I said, I have seen this idea come to reality in South American countries, lots of deaths, lots of shooting from people who want to protect their properties.
Someone please tell me what they think the criteria should be to justify someone invading someone else's property, please tell.
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)and they have gotten over 200 housed by doing this.
Bank owned properties are more numerous than unsheltered people.
You have a wildly different definition of what "middle class" is than I do. To me, it's "working class" and none of them own 2 homes, most rent, and many will never own a home now due to student loan debt.
cab67
(3,744 posts)what do you mean?
Are you saying more than 200 homeless people have become the legal owners or tenants of an abandoned residence?
I'm aware of jurisdictions in which squatters haven't been evicted yet, but that has more to do with the odiousness of going through an eviction proceeding and local authorities having better things to do. The occupiers are still illegally occupying the residences.
Honest question here - if it's been legally successful, I'd be curious to learn about it.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)It answers your question.
cab67
(3,744 posts)It refers to the addition of 200 shelter beds. Were these beds in abandoned houses, or in shelters?
And where does the law stand on these actions?
I'm not saying what they're doing should necessarily be illegal, and I certainly don't think it's immoral - but the question remains: are there cases in which homeless individuals became legal owners or tenants of an abandoned property simply by occupying it?
There was a bit of a push several years ago to claim adverse possession of abandoned homes, but it didn't work - adverse possession requires many years of occupation, and in most cases, although these homes are abandoned, they're still owned by someone or some agency (e.g. bank).
Yorkie Mom
(16,595 posts)foreclosed in the home she went into.
I'm middle class and have an unoccupied home. We have worked all of our lives to be able to afford this 2nd home that will one day be our retirement home.
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)this part...
How old are you? Because I'm thinking you lived during a time when people could afford homes.
Right now many can't not only due to the sheer cost of owning a home but also historically low wages and being strapped with massive student loan debt. And that's her point.......
Young people say these are the 2 main reasons they cant buy homes
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/14/the-2-main-reasons-young-people-cant-buy-homes.html
Snip --- For those in Gen Z, the No. 1 obstacle is student debt and the No. 2 obstacle is the down payment. And for frustrated would-be homeowners from Gen X, 31 percent say the down payment is to blame, while 21 percent point to credit scores.
The burden of student loans, which weighs especially heavily on younger generations, doesnt help, either. to pay for school, and their debt surpasses $1.4 trillion. The for 20-year-olds is $22,135 and for 30-year-olds, its $34,033.
Because of loans and high down payments, many young people who aspire to own their own place have been locked into the rental market far longer than previous generations, the report explains. This, in turn, has been pushing rental rates to the highest theyve ever been a boon for multifamily investors, but that rent burden coupled with college debt continues to keep many from saving enough for a down payment.

RicROC
(1,249 posts)Having bought a few homes in my life, I am appalled at the closing costs in addition to the down payment. It seems everyone has his hands in my pocket before I can even reach in to get the down payment.
One of my gripes is that I pay my own lawyer but then I get charged by the bank to pay for its lawyer. (seems to me, if I pay for a lawyer, they represent me...not the bank).
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inthewind21
(4,616 posts)why are you writing a novel about vacation homes when there was NOTHING in the ad that even remotely suggested taking over homes owed by individuals? Were you unable to comprehend the message?
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)If they did watch the video then they are intentionally twisting the message for negative spin on it.
IronLionZion
(51,267 posts)there is plenty of empty housing in rust belt cities/towns that lost manufacturing jobs over the years. People could be housed in Baltimore, Detroit, Buffalo, and other places like that.
thesquanderer
(13,005 posts)It doesn't grab you quick enough. I watched the first 40 seconds, which is more than most people would probably give it, IMO.
(And I wish they would stop with those side angles showing somebody talking to nobody.)
FakeNoose
(41,624 posts)If homeless people all started moving into abandoned houses ... then what? How can they get utilities like electricity and running water? How can they prevent being preyed upon, or being evicted, or being denied municipal services etc.?
Around my city neighborhood there are actually a few abandoned homes, and this bothers me. These homes are nothing that would interest Wall Street investors. Probably the back-taxes are more than the value of the properties, and I don't believe they've been offered for auction but I don't really know. It would take a lot of work to make these houses habitable.
I'd like to see a program where responsible homeless people can be given an opportunity to take over abandoned properties legally. However there needs to be a benevolent oversight that administers with a gentle guiding hand. Not all homeless people would be able to take on such a responsibility, nor would many of them even want it. I'm not sure what kind of "Occupy" program Rebecca Parson is suggesting.
panader0
(25,816 posts)I don't think the utility companies would hook up squatters to electric, water or gas.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)But hard structure is a lot better than a tent.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Their garbage piles up inside and out?
Do they maintain the property? Mow, trim foliage etc?
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)People gotta shit wherever they live.
(I think) Most homeless are not that way on purpose. The city/state needs to do something about the homeless population. There arent enough beds at shelters. There are houses that are vacant. Best solution? Maybe not but freezing to death sucks too.
OldBaldy1701E
(11,142 posts)When I was living in both Raleigh and Charlotte, there were always city council members babbling about doing something about the homeless. Yet, Raleigh owned a large section of warehouses that were near the train tracks and they sat empty the entire time I lived there. (10 years.) They were never utilized and they were never even offered. Lots of hand wringing and faux tears about the poor homeless. And all the while they had the means to shelter them during harsh conditions, and they did nothing. That is when I asked a council member about this. He smiled, giggled and said there was 'more to it that that'. Yeah, the fact that you lot do not actually want to help anyone because you are far more interested in selling those old warehouses than helping your constituents. You just want to be seen as trying to do it. It was pathetic and it opened my eyes to the reality of how our nation has two societies. The wealthy and the peons. And, don't kid yourself... the wealthy do not care about the peons (except when the peons inconvenience them by not working enough to satisfy their greed or trying to get a decent wage or decent housing).
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)While it wasnt for a homeless shelter, here in Minneapolis they were looking at turning an office building into residential condos/apartments. The problem was the zoning. Zoning is much more than just a bunch of rules. Because of the way the area was zoned it did not have the sewer system to handle residential waste water (both gray and black). So while there may have been warehouses available to convert into homeless housing legally it may not have been possible. I realize this is a bit hypocritical of me having just said that even if people are tenting while homeless they have to go somewhere, but I think to the ads point the city could more cheaply pay for the utilities to stay on for these foreclosed homes rather than trying to build more centers. Heck sometimes the banks allow people to stay in the homes in cold climates after foreclosure just so that the pipes stay heated etc.
Of course regarding those abandoned warehouses, there is also the possibility that the city could just look the other way or perhaps keep police visits to minimum activity ensuring there isnt violence or other illegal trafficking happening.
The thing that gets me is if officials arent going to help people then at the very least leave them the fuck alone and let them get by how they get by without trying to punish them out of existence.
But the truth is that we have MORE than enough money in this country to fix this shit. But we wont because billionaires need to keep stuffing our money into their coffers locked away somewhere.
OldBaldy1701E
(11,142 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)It is regularly mowed. All of us keep an eye on it.
Another house in a nearby neighborhood had a regular group of people going in and out. Eventually the city did something about it when they found three dogs locked up inside with no food or water. No thanks, this is not the answer.
Its disgusting to think people would shit in a non-functioning toilet. I'd rather dig a hole in the woods. Would you want to live next door to that?
Of course something should be done about the homeless situation, but you might be surprised to learn many choose to live that way. Those who do not choose to live that way should receive help.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)Arguably it would be cheaper for the city to use these houses for homeless by paying the utilities. The homes dont go vacant. The city is paying to maintain them already.
Rather than building large centers, and paying to heat, cool, water, electricity there.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)They simply take action by moving the squatters out and notifying absent owners to clean up the property.
I hear what youre saying, and that would be great if it would work for homeless folks to have use of abandoned properties. That would be an involved plan.
But paying their utilities? Not seeing that, never mind that utilities are a tiny part of taking care of a house. Is the HVAC working adequately? Are the windows kept clean? Is the plumbing working as it should? Is the crawl space/basement maintained free of damp, termites, etc? Who is taking the trash out weekly? Recycling? Raking the leaves, mowing the lawn?
I spent a great deal of my time working in my yard, landscaping, cleaning inside and out, picking up litter left by passing kids, picking up leaves and limbs from storms, and just ensuring my home looks good and is in good shape. Taking care of a property is work, and it has to be done regularly. Would the city also do all this upkeep for these folks?
Believe you me, even people who are in their own homes sometimes let these chores slide, and thats simply not acceptable. I wouldnt live in an HOA neighborhood, but Im glad I live in one where people take pride in their homes.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)we cant.
We have been doing that. It hasnt worked.
cab67
(3,744 posts)There are other groups that claim to be squatting for a cause. Theyre often associated with so-called sovereign citizen groups.
There are also people being scammed into thinking theyre legally living in an empty house that the landlord doesnt actually own.
It would be impossible to distinguish the truly needy from the merely selfish.
Homelessness is a real problem. I dont have a complete solution - but its not this.
txwhitedove
(4,385 posts)dsc
(53,395 posts)but my new build is currently empty since it isn't finished yet. I wouldn't be happy if someone squatted in my house.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)And I have to wonder how she ended up sleeping in her car with a Masters degree.
I managed quite a nice career with a B.A.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)This is what must happen. We will have to take our country back from the oligarchy.
llashram
(6,269 posts)as should be told. At local, state and national levels this summer by those not in it for conspiracies, money, power and lies.
TygrBright
(21,361 posts)Is this a good, broad-based, widely acceptable policy solution?
Well, no.
There are a lot of problems with the logistics of what she's proposing, and some of the unintended consequences could branch in painful directions, possibly backfire, and definitely provoke backlash.
But this moves the Overton window, and that's a good thing. A very good thing.
Radically progressive action needs to be part of the mainstream political discourse as a counterweight to the radically reactionary/revanchist action, which currently WAY overweights the balance in that direction.
I hope she does get elected. Very little of what she's describing of her goals is achievable, but her mere presence will help shift the balance, and if we're lucky, she'll get mentored by other young progressive legislators and gain some experience on how to make more realistic steps toward achievable objectives.
You go, grrrl.
appreciatively,
Bright
BobTheSubgenius
(12,217 posts)I can see it in my own neighbourhood, in the way many of you can, I'm sure. Nice, quiet little neighbourhood, once full of small post-war houses with the occasional update here and there. Now....? OMG!!!
6 or 7 houses within a 500 yard walk that have sold for $1.5M! There is a house for sale around the corner at the top of my street. Pretty as a picture, admittedly - they've done the very best you could expect with their house, but nothing elaborate like you'd see in a mansion.
2BR, 1B, right at 1000 square feet.
$999,000.
Are you serious??? On top of that, $10+ for a gallon of gas? The price of apples has gone up $1 a pound in the last 3 or 4 months. Ground beef is $7/lb.
Now, that $999K house? They won't get that, but it means a realtor was willing to take it on at that price, so there is a price that The Greater Fool will pay.
My house fits the same general description, but I am a DIYer, NOT a professional by any means. Kitchen/DR and bathroom were all me, as was the landscaping. Even the glam walk-in shower and kitchen cabinets. It all looks good from far, but it's far from good, as the saying goes.
My neighbour offered me $800K+, and I'm grabbing it and getting out of Dodge. It'll be a holding property now, and will be rented by the first person he finds to be an acceptable tenant. Average rent for a 2BR apt is $2600 - 2800. This is a 2BR+with the extra room being my wife's art studio.
I have a townhouse under contract in a gated, 55+ development, and will still bank a decent sum after paying for it. Enough to pay the strata fees far longer than I'll live, and provide some extras, or at least round off the corners for what I hope will be enough years. (Ironically, it has 50% more floor space than the current house)
So...I have landed on my feet, but I've been in the local market since 1979. My son will end up with a big leg up on life in the coming years, but he will be far from rich. What about people like Rebecca???
As I've been saying for several years, but less and less facetiously as time has wound on....it's not the worst time to be almost 70. I've done all I can.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)K&R
themaguffin
(5,220 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)That's a reality to first protect and then to build on.
Voters need to take the Hippocratic oath: First, do no harm.
We need to elect rational people with realistic world views who are able to identify and protect both what's working for hundreds of millions and what is not and to develop and implement real answers to real problems. Competent people.
Not everyone who runs for office is. Some very caring people don't -- can't -- have a realistic and competent understanding of their world or its problems, and even sometimes of right and wrong.
So I have a very different reaction to this. Everyone who voted for this "sky is falling" woman would be responsible for whatever she did with the power. And we're seeing the kind of things that elevating cognitively and morally incompetent people to power leads to. Among many, we now have a critical, life threatening baby formula shortage -- in the U.S.A.!!! This could not happen if voters did their job even a little better, and worse is not an option.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Last edited Tue May 24, 2022, 08:21 AM - Edit history (1)
Its a compelling video, but it isn't a good ad because its not going to sell the product (Rebecca Parson) to the audience (all the voters in WA-6) who are already represented by a competent Democratic Congressperson (Derek Kilmer). A "Socialist Activist" isn't going to take this seat.
Having only $30,000 cash on hand either.
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)when it comes to politics.
Obviously we have a very different opinion of what a good ad is. As I said, the class divide in the replies is very evident and I couldn't help but notice how you used the word "Socialist" in a pejorative. Wellp, I'm a Socialist as well. And many of us can relate to what she's saying, again, including me. And I hope she wins because we need more like her on Congress who knows what's up and can relate directly to poor & working class people because she's not on the outside looking in but actually living it from her car where she spends each & every night.
I think it's time this country had more people in Congress who directly represent every day people. And Rebecca is just that.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)...because I research the data to know when it's the right answer.
She's an avowed "socialist" in a Country that broadly doesn't support that economic philosophy, running in a rural district that already has a Democratic Congressman they're happy with; he won with 59% last year; she got only 13% in the 2020 Primary and she has no campaign cash. And a fringe "direct action" proposal may make the Democratic activists happy in the blogosphere, but it won't appeal to the voters in the Olympic peninsula.
LoCo Cat Lady
(89 posts)I completely appreciate her passion. Not sure if this messaging will work but I love the fact that she used a truly classic Rage Against The Machine song, "Killing in the Name Of..." Head to YouTube and listen to the song in its entirety. If you grew up with RATM, the music bed adds the zest to this ad!!
Wingus Dingus
(9,173 posts)That's just ridiculous. If it ain't yours, it ain't yours.
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)It's incredibly demeaning to people who are disabled.
That said, you want to know what's stupid? Having more bank owned empty houses than unsheltered people.
Human rights > Private property. Period.
And this is 4 years old, rents have gone up a great deal since too.
