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AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
Mon May 23, 2022, 08:37 AM May 2022

This campaign ad! HOLY SHIT YES!

This is without a doubt one of the best, if not THEE BEST, campaign ad I have ever seen in my life!
No sugar coated bullshit, young people are pissed off beyond belief and rightfully so! And yes she's unsheltered.
Are you ready? This may shake a few people up on here but this is what life is like for many people.
Rebecca is running for Congress in WA-06.
This is incredible! Even uses Rage Against The Machine! I love this so much!

EDIT -- You can certainly tell the class divide in the responses. Yup, it's very real.


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This campaign ad! HOLY SHIT YES! (Original Post) AntivaxHunters May 2022 OP
She's probably ahead of the curve... Tom Rinaldo May 2022 #1
I love her idea of occupying homes AntivaxHunters May 2022 #2
I do too. And she understands how effective mass direct action forces the system to "catch up" Tom Rinaldo May 2022 #4
Ask for the moon and settle for the stars. LakeArenal May 2022 #10
I think the moon is closer...and we can lasso it. Bluethroughu May 2022 #63
She's asking for what other industrialized nations have granted Bluethroughu May 2022 #64
Yes I realize that. Her road is tough and corporations aren't people in other countries. LakeArenal May 2022 #74
They are not people here either, the Constitution asks all people Bluethroughu May 2022 #76
So Citizens United has no influence here? LakeArenal May 2022 #80
Of course it does, it needs to be overturned, Bluethroughu May 2022 #83
Yes, yes, yes. Magoo48 May 2022 #3
KNR niyad May 2022 #5
That's exactly... 2naSalit May 2022 #6
A politician that speaks my "native language"... ret5hd May 2022 #7
Example: Eyeball_Kid May 2022 #8
MY FOLKS!!! Samrob May 2022 #9
I'd like it better without the 'f' word. Great idea. sinkingfeeling May 2022 #11
Granny raised me same way, so I said "Petunia" or "Fudge". Then I married an ex sailor txwhitedove May 2022 #35
I think house takeovers would be a white folks solution. LakeArenal May 2022 #12
Yep strategically whites would be at lesser risk. But all would benefit from the political aftermath Tom Rinaldo May 2022 #15
This. I don't have the enthusiasm for this that others in the thread seem to. Scrivener7 May 2022 #25
She inthewind21 May 2022 #46
Recommended. H2O Man May 2022 #13
wow bdamomma May 2022 #14
Nice sentiment but I wouldn't hold my breath on her getting elected johnnyplankton May 2022 #16
I haven't seen the MSM cover her at all AntivaxHunters May 2022 #19
There are thousands of candidates who make it on the ballot. The media doesn't cover most of them... brooklynite May 2022 #69
Or perhaps AntivaxHunters May 2022 #70
I'm citing the Post because that's the kind of story that'll get run.... brooklynite May 2022 #72
Seriously inthewind21 May 2022 #47
She's in my district! RainCaster May 2022 #17
I'm 79, and I would vote for her if I lived in her district. planetc May 2022 #18
More inclined to see this as a solution in a bank foreclosed home. alphafemale May 2022 #20
There's more empty houses AntivaxHunters May 2022 #21
Agreed, but... cab67 May 2022 #29
We need a massive expansion of Section 8 AntivaxHunters May 2022 #38
Then why stop at vacanat houses? SickOfTheOnePct May 2022 #39
Is your home bank owned? AntivaxHunters May 2022 #41
I have a mortgage SickOfTheOnePct May 2022 #42
You know exactly what I mean AntivaxHunters May 2022 #43
WOW inthewind21 May 2022 #48
Ha ha Squim, Forks and Bremerton. plimsoll May 2022 #22
Nope, sorry to differ on that idea but I have experience with what she is proposing. Escurumbele May 2022 #23
Sorry but it does work AntivaxHunters May 2022 #40
by "[getting] over 200 housed..." cab67 May 2022 #45
Watch the video inthewind21 May 2022 #52
It doesn't really answer the question. cab67 May 2022 #56
She only said "unoccupied homes", not forclosed. Having said that, there was a sign that said Yorkie Mom May 2022 #57
And... AntivaxHunters May 2022 #58
Across all generations, the down payment seems to be the biggest obstacle to buying. RicROC May 2022 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author inthewind21 May 2022 #50
Better Question inthewind21 May 2022 #51
Right? CrackityJones75 May 2022 #53
Housing is a regional issue IronLionZion May 2022 #24
I actually don't think it's a great campaign ad. thesquanderer May 2022 #26
I don't get how this would work FakeNoose May 2022 #27
Lack of utilities was my first thought. panader0 May 2022 #44
They don't have utilities in a tent either CrackityJones75 May 2022 #54
So their waste just piles up in the toilet? BlackSkimmer May 2022 #55
Does the vacant property get mowed, trimmed otherwise? CrackityJones75 May 2022 #59
And, then there is the matter of city owned structures that are sitting empty. OldBaldy1701E May 2022 #62
So I know this. CrackityJones75 May 2022 #68
Your last sentence should be yelled from every media it can be. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E May 2022 #84
There is a vacant house in my neighborhood. BlackSkimmer May 2022 #73
No that isn't the point I amaking. CrackityJones75 May 2022 #75
The city is not paying for the vacant houses in the neighborhoods where I've seen this. BlackSkimmer May 2022 #77
Back to the point of the ad.... CrackityJones75 May 2022 #79
I like the sentiment, but not the idea. cab67 May 2022 #28
Yes, an attention grabber but... txwhitedove May 2022 #30
One assume she doesn't mean this dsc May 2022 #31
I'm with you. BlackSkimmer May 2022 #82
Big smile The Jungle 1 May 2022 #32
EXACTLY!!! llashram May 2022 #33
Objective: Move the Overton Window. This will help. TygrBright May 2022 #34
The system IS out of control and in serious danger of collapse. BobTheSubgenius May 2022 #36
Very powerful message! WOW secondwind May 2022 #37
Love the use of Rage Against the Machine in the background as well themaguffin May 2022 #49
78% of Americans report being economically comfortable to well off. Hortensis May 2022 #60
No, it's not a good campaign ad... brooklynite May 2022 #61
Never say never AntivaxHunters May 2022 #66
I frequently say "never" when it comes to politics... brooklynite May 2022 #71
Gen X'er Here! LoCo Cat Lady May 2022 #67
Dumb ad and idea about occupying empty houses. Wingus Dingus May 2022 #78
Please don't use the word "dumb" AntivaxHunters May 2022 #81

Tom Rinaldo

(23,187 posts)
1. She's probably ahead of the curve...
Mon May 23, 2022, 08:50 AM
May 2022

But someone always is. I don't think she will break through completely with this, but shattering the complacency of norms is a critical precursor to fundamental change. There will be more like her, like this. If anything it's been slow in coming; this tone, this resolve. Maybe it will happen faster than I expect.

Tom Rinaldo

(23,187 posts)
4. I do too. And she understands how effective mass direct action forces the system to "catch up"
Mon May 23, 2022, 09:04 AM
May 2022

and create "legal remedies" that previously were totally "off the table." Oddly, it's her call for a $30 an hour minimum wage which, though justifiable in my mind, tags her more with a label of being "unrealistic" and "non-viable." It's such an obvious wild departure from the benchmark of the status quo where we are still struggling to institute a $15 an hour minimum wage.

Bluethroughu

(7,215 posts)
64. She's asking for what other industrialized nations have granted
Tue May 24, 2022, 08:01 AM
May 2022

their citizens for decades. If corporations can afford it there, they can afford it here.



Bluethroughu

(7,215 posts)
76. They are not people here either, the Constitution asks all people
Tue May 24, 2022, 02:28 PM
May 2022

be enumerated every ten years....

Key words All Peoples. We don't enumerate business every ten years.

Why this is not challenged I don't know.

She has a tough road as we all have a tough road ahead, but there are more of us than there are of them, so I am hopeful.

Bluethroughu

(7,215 posts)
83. Of course it does, it needs to be overturned,
Tue May 24, 2022, 06:04 PM
May 2022

That's what I'm trying to say.

It was a horrible decision.

Magoo48

(6,721 posts)
3. Yes, yes, yes.
Mon May 23, 2022, 09:04 AM
May 2022

Nevertheless, Americans will not be inconvenienced. Not for R v W, not for voting rights, not for homelessness, not for the environment, not for price gouging. And, in the untended garden of our withering Democracy only the weeds of authoritarianism and fascism will thrive.

Leaders won’t lead if citizens won’t act.

2naSalit

(102,780 posts)
6. That's exactly...
Mon May 23, 2022, 09:09 AM
May 2022

What I went through, I'm older though and was able to find a solution but it took almost a year living in my car. Like she said, I did what they told me and it didn't do anything to benefit me but always someone else.

I hope she starts a movement even if she doesn't get elected.

ret5hd

(22,502 posts)
7. A politician that speaks my "native language"...
Mon May 23, 2022, 09:27 AM
May 2022

the language of unvarnished “fuck you!”

Eyeball_Kid

(7,604 posts)
8. Example:
Mon May 23, 2022, 09:36 AM
May 2022

A recent report of the economic condition of an otherwise booming city of Bend, Oregon, indicates that there is a severe labor shortage for service-related jobs because those without an ample income cannot afford to live there because of the prohibitively expensive housing costs. Those who SERVE others, such as in restaurants and retail outlets, are moving out because rents are way too high.

And they are.

And no one is doing anything about it.

This is how economies break down.

txwhitedove

(4,385 posts)
35. Granny raised me same way, so I said "Petunia" or "Fudge". Then I married an ex sailor
Mon May 23, 2022, 11:29 AM
May 2022

who mocked me for discussing issues with big words. Guess what my fav word is now?

Tom Rinaldo

(23,187 posts)
15. Yep strategically whites would be at lesser risk. But all would benefit from the political aftermath
Mon May 23, 2022, 09:59 AM
May 2022

of a mass movement like that, even if tactically whites were primarily involved directly. It would definitely force legislation to move the ball forward on the housing crisis if it happened on a large enough scale..

Scrivener7

(59,519 posts)
25. This. I don't have the enthusiasm for this that others in the thread seem to.
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:40 AM
May 2022

The answer is not to take the homes of others.

And it's not to do an end run around the banks and get yourself arrested or killed.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
46. She
Mon May 23, 2022, 02:51 PM
May 2022

Said nothing about taking the homes of others. And an "end run" around the banks is exactly what is needed. How well has NOT doing it worked out so far?

johnnyplankton

(635 posts)
16. Nice sentiment but I wouldn't hold my breath on her getting elected
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:10 AM
May 2022

She's our version of Lauren Boebert in the mainstream's eyes

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
19. I haven't seen the MSM cover her at all
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:18 AM
May 2022

And should they choose to, they'll get a dose of reality very fast.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
69. There are thousands of candidates who make it on the ballot. The media doesn't cover most of them...
Tue May 24, 2022, 09:14 AM
May 2022

...because they're not consequential. Other than this video, what makes you think she's a significant candidate? (she got 13% in the 2020 election).

nb: the New York Post has thoughtfully run a story about her fringe idea of occupying other people's houses.

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
70. Or perhaps
Tue May 24, 2022, 09:19 AM
May 2022

the media is heavily invested in certain candidates because of their corporate interests.

Policy is what matters.
And you're gaslighting here. She is talking about occupying bank owned homes not people's houses so why are you twisting things around and not being honest, hm? In the ad, the house shown literally says "Foreclosed".

And you're citing the NY Post? A conservative tabloid? Man oh man....

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
72. I'm citing the Post because that's the kind of story that'll get run....
Tue May 24, 2022, 09:24 AM
May 2022

...as for your claim, please provide evidence that Derek Kilmer, the Democrat who's held the seat since 2012, is beholden to "corporate interests".

As for who owns the houses, it doesn't matter if its people, Governments or companies. This is the same kind of argument as "its okay to shoplift because the big grocery chain won't miss the money". If you want to make housing available, you do it through the Government building, buying or acquiring property through eminent domain.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
47. Seriously
Mon May 23, 2022, 02:53 PM
May 2022

You made her a Boebart clone just by THAT video? But hey, being nice has worked so well so carry on.

RainCaster

(13,702 posts)
17. She's in my district!
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:11 AM
May 2022

Is Derek Kilmer leaving office? I'm still getting lots of emails from him.

planetc

(8,923 posts)
18. I'm 79, and I would vote for her if I lived in her district.
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:15 AM
May 2022

My housing is secure for the moment, but in what universe can you make a $15./hr wage and also afford a $1200. rent or a $2000. mortgage? No known universe.

We all remember the great recession of 2008. That happened because investors, Wall Street, were investing in American homes. Most of those mortgages were reasonably secure, i.e., the home owner's job was reasonably secure. In a new cases, the mortgage was not secure, because people committing fraud had sold an unaffordable mortgage to an insecure home owner, and nobody knew exactly how much those insecure loans were worth. So Wall Street panicked and everybody except Wall Street paid.

Wall Street is doing it again right now. Many of the social ills in this country are influenced by economic conditions, which are designed to grind many workers into the pavement. It will take politicians with true grit to control our capitalist masters, but it can be done, and it's past time it was done.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
20. More inclined to see this as a solution in a bank foreclosed home.
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:22 AM
May 2022

Definitely not OK with someone squatting in the house of a small time property owner renting out homes.

I have seen far too many homes trashed out of pure vindictive spite by people who thought they should have free housing on someone else's mortgage.

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
21. There's more empty houses
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:25 AM
May 2022

than there are unsheltered people.

Human rights > property rights.

cab67

(3,744 posts)
29. Agreed, but...
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:59 AM
May 2022

We need to find a legal means to let the homeless move into these properties. Subsidized rent until they can find a job, for example - along with meaningful action to find jobs for those who can work.

Like I said below, not all squatters are homeless people just trying to get out of the weather. There must be a way to provide homes to those who need them while simultaneously closing the door to scam artists.

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
38. We need a massive expansion of Section 8
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:11 PM
May 2022

which simply hasn't worked and is a joke at this point

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
39. Then why stop at vacanat houses?
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:12 PM
May 2022

I have more bedrooms than I currently use because my kids are grown and out of the house...should people be able to just move in and live in my spare rooms?

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
42. I have a mortgage
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:19 PM
May 2022

so yeah, so technically yeah, it's bank owned.

And I'm not afraid of people who are unsheltered, but that doesn't mean I think they have the right to come live in my house uninvited.

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
43. You know exactly what I mean
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:21 PM
May 2022

And you're twisting things here to fit your narrative.
Nobody is coming to live in your house, Jeez.

plimsoll

(1,690 posts)
22. Ha ha Squim, Forks and Bremerton.
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:29 AM
May 2022

It may not be Eastern WA, but those are some of the Trumpier parts of Western Washington.

Escurumbele

(4,094 posts)
23. Nope, sorry to differ on that idea but I have experience with what she is proposing.
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:30 AM
May 2022

This is what happens, there are people who have worked hard to have their primary and secondary homes, none of those are mansions, they are nice middle class properties that have been earned with a lot of sweat. The second home may be unoccupied for most of the year because the family only goes there in the Summer, so during the Summer their primary home is unoccupied...Which one of these homes do you all think people should invade? And the word is "INVADE", not "OCCUPY". How is the criteria set for people to know which homes to invade?

I have seen this happen in other countries, and the results are not good. I would rather have the government set regulations to make sure property costs are kept at an acceptable level, that people start making more money to afford primary and secondary homes, if they so wish.

As I said, I have seen this idea come to reality in South American countries, lots of deaths, lots of shooting from people who want to protect their properties.

Someone please tell me what they think the criteria should be to justify someone invading someone else's property, please tell.

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
40. Sorry but it does work
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:14 PM
May 2022

and they have gotten over 200 housed by doing this.

Bank owned properties are more numerous than unsheltered people.

You have a wildly different definition of what "middle class" is than I do. To me, it's "working class" and none of them own 2 homes, most rent, and many will never own a home now due to student loan debt.

cab67

(3,744 posts)
45. by "[getting] over 200 housed..."
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:44 PM
May 2022

what do you mean?

Are you saying more than 200 homeless people have become the legal owners or tenants of an abandoned residence?

I'm aware of jurisdictions in which squatters haven't been evicted yet, but that has more to do with the odiousness of going through an eviction proceeding and local authorities having better things to do. The occupiers are still illegally occupying the residences.

Honest question here - if it's been legally successful, I'd be curious to learn about it.

cab67

(3,744 posts)
56. It doesn't really answer the question.
Mon May 23, 2022, 04:32 PM
May 2022

It refers to the addition of 200 shelter beds. Were these beds in abandoned houses, or in shelters?

And where does the law stand on these actions?

I'm not saying what they're doing should necessarily be illegal, and I certainly don't think it's immoral - but the question remains: are there cases in which homeless individuals became legal owners or tenants of an abandoned property simply by occupying it?

There was a bit of a push several years ago to claim adverse possession of abandoned homes, but it didn't work - adverse possession requires many years of occupation, and in most cases, although these homes are abandoned, they're still owned by someone or some agency (e.g. bank).

Yorkie Mom

(16,595 posts)
57. She only said "unoccupied homes", not forclosed. Having said that, there was a sign that said
Mon May 23, 2022, 05:52 PM
May 2022

foreclosed in the home she went into.

I'm middle class and have an unoccupied home. We have worked all of our lives to be able to afford this 2nd home that will one day be our retirement home.

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
58. And...
Mon May 23, 2022, 06:10 PM
May 2022

this part...

I'm middle class and have an unoccupied home. We have worked all of our lives to be able to afford this 2nd home that will one day be our retirement home.


How old are you? Because I'm thinking you lived during a time when people could afford homes.
Right now many can't not only due to the sheer cost of owning a home but also historically low wages and being strapped with massive student loan debt. And that's her point.......

Rebecca graduated with a Masters degree from John Hopkins in 2011. Her, like many of us, did everything by the book; get a good degree, get a great paying job. Wellp, hate to tell ya but those old style rules no longer apply and this is the reality 10s of millions of people face. Great, you were able to do that but understand a very large majority simply aren't able to because of aggressive predatory Capitalism. And it's gone on for years. It was only a matter of time until the pushback was equal to the force that's caused immense harm to so many.

Young people say these are the 2 main reasons they can’t buy homes
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/14/the-2-main-reasons-young-people-cant-buy-homes.html

Snip --- For those in Gen Z, the No. 1 obstacle is student debt and the No. 2 obstacle is the down payment. And for frustrated would-be homeowners from Gen X, 31 percent say the down payment is to blame, while 21 percent point to credit scores.

The burden of student loans, which weighs especially heavily on younger generations, doesn’t help, either. to pay for school, and their debt surpasses $1.4 trillion. The for 20-year-olds is $22,135 and for 30-year-olds, it’s $34,033.

Because of loans and high down payments, many young people “who aspire to own their own place have been locked into the rental market far longer than previous generations,” the report explains. “This, in turn, has been pushing rental rates to the highest they’ve ever been — a boon for multifamily investors, but that rent burden coupled with college debt continues to keep many from saving enough for a down payment.”


RicROC

(1,249 posts)
65. Across all generations, the down payment seems to be the biggest obstacle to buying.
Tue May 24, 2022, 08:33 AM
May 2022

Having bought a few homes in my life, I am appalled at the closing costs in addition to the down payment. It seems everyone has his hands in my pocket before I can even reach in to get the down payment.

One of my gripes is that I pay my own lawyer but then I get charged by the bank to pay for its lawyer. (seems to me, if I pay for a lawyer, they represent me...not the bank).

Response to Escurumbele (Reply #23)

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
51. Better Question
Mon May 23, 2022, 03:03 PM
May 2022

why are you writing a novel about vacation homes when there was NOTHING in the ad that even remotely suggested taking over homes owed by individuals? Were you unable to comprehend the message?

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
53. Right?
Mon May 23, 2022, 03:16 PM
May 2022

If they did watch the video then they are intentionally twisting the message for negative spin on it.

IronLionZion

(51,267 posts)
24. Housing is a regional issue
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:40 AM
May 2022

there is plenty of empty housing in rust belt cities/towns that lost manufacturing jobs over the years. People could be housed in Baltimore, Detroit, Buffalo, and other places like that.

thesquanderer

(13,005 posts)
26. I actually don't think it's a great campaign ad.
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:41 AM
May 2022

It doesn't grab you quick enough. I watched the first 40 seconds, which is more than most people would probably give it, IMO.

(And I wish they would stop with those side angles showing somebody talking to nobody.)

FakeNoose

(41,624 posts)
27. I don't get how this would work
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:45 AM
May 2022

If homeless people all started moving into abandoned houses ... then what? How can they get utilities like electricity and running water? How can they prevent being preyed upon, or being evicted, or being denied municipal services etc.?

Around my city neighborhood there are actually a few abandoned homes, and this bothers me. These homes are nothing that would interest Wall Street investors. Probably the back-taxes are more than the value of the properties, and I don't believe they've been offered for auction but I don't really know. It would take a lot of work to make these houses habitable.

I'd like to see a program where responsible homeless people can be given an opportunity to take over abandoned properties legally. However there needs to be a benevolent oversight that administers with a gentle guiding hand. Not all homeless people would be able to take on such a responsibility, nor would many of them even want it. I'm not sure what kind of "Occupy" program Rebecca Parson is suggesting.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
44. Lack of utilities was my first thought.
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:23 PM
May 2022

I don't think the utility companies would hook up squatters to electric, water or gas.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
54. They don't have utilities in a tent either
Mon May 23, 2022, 03:18 PM
May 2022

But hard structure is a lot better than a tent.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
55. So their waste just piles up in the toilet?
Mon May 23, 2022, 03:36 PM
May 2022

Their garbage piles up inside and out?

Do they maintain the property? Mow, trim foliage etc?

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
59. Does the vacant property get mowed, trimmed otherwise?
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:42 PM
May 2022

People gotta shit wherever they live.


(I think) Most homeless are not that way on purpose. The city/state needs to do something about the homeless population. There aren’t enough beds at shelters. There are houses that are vacant. Best solution? Maybe not but freezing to death sucks too.


OldBaldy1701E

(11,142 posts)
62. And, then there is the matter of city owned structures that are sitting empty.
Tue May 24, 2022, 07:42 AM
May 2022

When I was living in both Raleigh and Charlotte, there were always city council members babbling about doing something about the homeless. Yet, Raleigh owned a large section of warehouses that were near the train tracks and they sat empty the entire time I lived there. (10 years.) They were never utilized and they were never even offered. Lots of hand wringing and faux tears about the poor homeless. And all the while they had the means to shelter them during harsh conditions, and they did nothing. That is when I asked a council member about this. He smiled, giggled and said there was 'more to it that that'. Yeah, the fact that you lot do not actually want to help anyone because you are far more interested in selling those old warehouses than helping your constituents. You just want to be seen as trying to do it. It was pathetic and it opened my eyes to the reality of how our nation has two societies. The wealthy and the peons. And, don't kid yourself... the wealthy do not care about the peons (except when the peons inconvenience them by not working enough to satisfy their greed or trying to get a decent wage or decent housing).

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
68. So I know this.
Tue May 24, 2022, 08:57 AM
May 2022

While it wasn’t for a homeless shelter, here in Minneapolis they were looking at turning an office building into residential condos/apartments. The problem was the zoning. Zoning is much more than just a bunch of rules. Because of the way the area was zoned it did not have the sewer system to handle residential waste water (both gray and black). So while there may have been warehouses available to convert into homeless housing legally it may not have been possible. I realize this is a bit hypocritical of me having just said that even if people are tenting while homeless they have to go somewhere, but I think to the ad’s point the city could more cheaply pay for the utilities to stay on for these foreclosed homes rather than trying to build more centers. Heck sometimes the banks allow people to stay in the homes in cold climates after foreclosure just so that the pipes stay heated etc.

Of course regarding those abandoned warehouses, there is also the possibility that the city could just look the other way or perhaps keep police visits to minimum activity ensuring there isn’t violence or other illegal trafficking happening.

The thing that gets me is if officials aren’t going to help people then at the very least leave them the fuck alone and let them get by how they get by without trying to punish them out of existence.

But the truth is that we have MORE than enough money in this country to fix this shit. But we won’t because billionaires need to keep stuffing our money into their coffers locked away somewhere.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
73. There is a vacant house in my neighborhood.
Tue May 24, 2022, 09:43 AM
May 2022

It is regularly mowed. All of us keep an eye on it.

Another house in a nearby neighborhood had a regular group of people going in and out. Eventually the city did something about it when they found three dogs locked up inside with no food or water. No thanks, this is not the answer.

Its disgusting to think people would shit in a non-functioning toilet. I'd rather dig a hole in the woods. Would you want to live next door to that?

Of course something should be done about the homeless situation, but you might be surprised to learn many choose to live that way. Those who do not choose to live that way should receive help.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
75. No that isn't the point I amaking.
Tue May 24, 2022, 01:54 PM
May 2022

Arguably it would be cheaper for the city to use these houses for homeless by paying the utilities. The homes don’t go vacant. The city is paying to maintain them already.

Rather than building large centers, and paying to heat, cool, water, electricity there.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
77. The city is not paying for the vacant houses in the neighborhoods where I've seen this.
Tue May 24, 2022, 02:36 PM
May 2022

They simply take action by moving the squatters out and notifying absent owners to clean up the property.

I hear what you’re saying, and that would be great if it would work for homeless folks to have use of abandoned properties. That would be an involved plan.

But paying their utilities? Not seeing that, never mind that utilities are a tiny part of taking care of a house. Is the HVAC working adequately? Are the windows kept clean? Is the plumbing working as it should? Is the crawl space/basement maintained free of damp, termites, etc? Who is taking the trash out weekly? Recycling? Raking the leaves, mowing the lawn?

I spent a great deal of my time working in my yard, landscaping, cleaning inside and out, picking up litter left by passing kids, picking up leaves and limbs from storms, and just ensuring my home looks good and is in good shape. Taking care of a property is work, and it has to be done regularly. Would the city also do all this upkeep for these folks?

Believe you me, even people who are in their own homes sometimes let these chores slide, and that’s simply not acceptable. I wouldn’t live in an HOA neighborhood, but I’m glad I live in one where people take pride in their homes.

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
79. Back to the point of the ad....
Tue May 24, 2022, 02:44 PM
May 2022

“we can’t”.

We have been doing that. It hasn’t worked.

cab67

(3,744 posts)
28. I like the sentiment, but not the idea.
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:54 AM
May 2022

There are other groups that claim to be squatting for a cause. They’re often associated with so-called sovereign citizen groups.

There are also people being scammed into thinking they’re legally living in an empty house that the ‘landlord’ doesn’t actually own.

It would be impossible to distinguish the truly needy from the merely selfish.

Homelessness is a real problem. I don’t have a complete solution - but it’s not this.

dsc

(53,395 posts)
31. One assume she doesn't mean this
Mon May 23, 2022, 11:10 AM
May 2022

but my new build is currently empty since it isn't finished yet. I wouldn't be happy if someone squatted in my house.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
82. I'm with you.
Tue May 24, 2022, 03:30 PM
May 2022

And I have to wonder how she ended up sleeping in her car with a Masters degree.

I managed quite a nice career with a B.A.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
32. Big smile
Mon May 23, 2022, 11:11 AM
May 2022

This is what must happen. We will have to take our country back from the oligarchy.

llashram

(6,269 posts)
33. EXACTLY!!!
Mon May 23, 2022, 11:16 AM
May 2022

as should be told. At local, state and national levels this summer by those not in it for conspiracies, money, power and lies.

TygrBright

(21,361 posts)
34. Objective: Move the Overton Window. This will help.
Mon May 23, 2022, 11:26 AM
May 2022

Is this a good, broad-based, widely acceptable policy solution?

Well, no.

There are a lot of problems with the logistics of what she's proposing, and some of the unintended consequences could branch in painful directions, possibly backfire, and definitely provoke backlash.

But this moves the Overton window, and that's a good thing. A very good thing.

Radically progressive action needs to be part of the mainstream political discourse as a counterweight to the radically reactionary/revanchist action, which currently WAY overweights the balance in that direction.

I hope she does get elected. Very little of what she's describing of her goals is achievable, but her mere presence will help shift the balance, and if we're lucky, she'll get mentored by other young progressive legislators and gain some experience on how to make more realistic steps toward achievable objectives.

You go, grrrl.

appreciatively,
Bright

BobTheSubgenius

(12,217 posts)
36. The system IS out of control and in serious danger of collapse.
Mon May 23, 2022, 11:34 AM
May 2022

I can see it in my own neighbourhood, in the way many of you can, I'm sure. Nice, quiet little neighbourhood, once full of small post-war houses with the occasional update here and there. Now....? OMG!!!

6 or 7 houses within a 500 yard walk that have sold for $1.5M! There is a house for sale around the corner at the top of my street. Pretty as a picture, admittedly - they've done the very best you could expect with their house, but nothing elaborate like you'd see in a mansion.

2BR, 1B, right at 1000 square feet.

$999,000.

Are you serious??? On top of that, $10+ for a gallon of gas? The price of apples has gone up $1 a pound in the last 3 or 4 months. Ground beef is $7/lb.

Now, that $999K house? They won't get that, but it means a realtor was willing to take it on at that price, so there is a price that The Greater Fool will pay.

My house fits the same general description, but I am a DIYer, NOT a professional by any means. Kitchen/DR and bathroom were all me, as was the landscaping. Even the glam walk-in shower and kitchen cabinets. It all looks good from far, but it's far from good, as the saying goes.

My neighbour offered me $800K+, and I'm grabbing it and getting out of Dodge. It'll be a holding property now, and will be rented by the first person he finds to be an acceptable tenant. Average rent for a 2BR apt is $2600 - 2800. This is a 2BR+with the extra room being my wife's art studio.

I have a townhouse under contract in a gated, 55+ development, and will still bank a decent sum after paying for it. Enough to pay the strata fees far longer than I'll live, and provide some extras, or at least round off the corners for what I hope will be enough years. (Ironically, it has 50% more floor space than the current house)

So...I have landed on my feet, but I've been in the local market since 1979. My son will end up with a big leg up on life in the coming years, but he will be far from rich. What about people like Rebecca???

As I've been saying for several years, but less and less facetiously as time has wound on....it's not the worst time to be almost 70. I've done all I can.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
60. 78% of Americans report being economically comfortable to well off.
Tue May 24, 2022, 07:11 AM
May 2022

That's a reality to first protect and then to build on.

Voters need to take the Hippocratic oath: First, do no harm.

We need to elect rational people with realistic world views who are able to identify and protect both what's working for hundreds of millions and what is not and to develop and implement real answers to real problems. Competent people.

Not everyone who runs for office is. Some very caring people don't -- can't -- have a realistic and competent understanding of their world or its problems, and even sometimes of right and wrong.

So I have a very different reaction to this. Everyone who voted for this "sky is falling" woman would be responsible for whatever she did with the power. And we're seeing the kind of things that elevating cognitively and morally incompetent people to power leads to. Among many, we now have a critical, life threatening baby formula shortage -- in the U.S.A.!!! This could not happen if voters did their job even a little better, and worse is not an option.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
61. No, it's not a good campaign ad...
Tue May 24, 2022, 07:23 AM
May 2022

Last edited Tue May 24, 2022, 08:21 AM - Edit history (1)

Its a compelling video, but it isn't a good ad because its not going to sell the product (Rebecca Parson) to the audience (all the voters in WA-6) who are already represented by a competent Democratic Congressperson (Derek Kilmer). A "Socialist Activist" isn't going to take this seat.

Having only $30,000 cash on hand either.

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
66. Never say never
Tue May 24, 2022, 08:48 AM
May 2022

when it comes to politics.

Obviously we have a very different opinion of what a good ad is. As I said, the class divide in the replies is very evident and I couldn't help but notice how you used the word "Socialist" in a pejorative. Wellp, I'm a Socialist as well. And many of us can relate to what she's saying, again, including me. And I hope she wins because we need more like her on Congress who knows what's up and can relate directly to poor & working class people because she's not on the outside looking in but actually living it from her car where she spends each & every night.

I think it's time this country had more people in Congress who directly represent every day people. And Rebecca is just that.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
71. I frequently say "never" when it comes to politics...
Tue May 24, 2022, 09:19 AM
May 2022

...because I research the data to know when it's the right answer.

She's an avowed "socialist" in a Country that broadly doesn't support that economic philosophy, running in a rural district that already has a Democratic Congressman they're happy with; he won with 59% last year; she got only 13% in the 2020 Primary and she has no campaign cash. And a fringe "direct action" proposal may make the Democratic activists happy in the blogosphere, but it won't appeal to the voters in the Olympic peninsula.

LoCo Cat Lady

(89 posts)
67. Gen X'er Here!
Tue May 24, 2022, 08:54 AM
May 2022

I completely appreciate her passion. Not sure if this messaging will work but I love the fact that she used a truly classic Rage Against The Machine song, "Killing in the Name Of..." Head to YouTube and listen to the song in its entirety. If you grew up with RATM, the music bed adds the zest to this ad!!

Wingus Dingus

(9,173 posts)
78. Dumb ad and idea about occupying empty houses.
Tue May 24, 2022, 02:42 PM
May 2022

That's just ridiculous. If it ain't yours, it ain't yours.

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
81. Please don't use the word "dumb"
Tue May 24, 2022, 03:23 PM
May 2022

It's incredibly demeaning to people who are disabled.

That said, you want to know what's stupid? Having more bank owned empty houses than unsheltered people.
Human rights > Private property. Period.
And this is 4 years old, rents have gone up a great deal since too.

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