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COLUMBUS, Ohio Comedian Dave Chappelle made a surprise appearance Friday at fellow comedian John Mulaneys show in Columbus, Ohio, drawing criticism on social media for what some in attendance said were jokes targeting the LGBTQ community.
According to attendees, Chappelle, who lives in Yellow Springs, around 40 miles southwest of Columbus, was a surprise opener for Mulaneys From Scratch tour stop at Value City Arena at Ohio State on Friday. There is no footage from the event, as attendees were required to lock their phones up before the show, Variety reported.
Afterward, many attendees took to social media to express concern and criticism for what they said were jokes targeting the transgender community. Some also reported that Mulaney and Chappelle shared an embrace on stage.
Comments about Chappelles performance on the show, as well Mulaney, were trending on Twitter over the weekend, with more than 19,200 tweets by Sunday afternoon.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2022/05/22/dave-chappelle-john-mulaney-ohio-criticism-lgbtq/9887000002/
Walleye
(44,759 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(5,339 posts)It's to protect IP.
Claire Oh Nette
(2,636 posts)Recently saw Bob Dylan in Asheville.
Harrah's staff made no bones about patrons turning phones off at 8:00pm. Handed out business cards to the whiners. Official Warning. Repeat offenders would be escorted out.
Bob came on right at 8:00. No phones. No one watching tiny screens. Everyone watching th eartist.
One woman was invited to leave for violating the policy. Guy in fron tof us tried to take a picture on the sly, and staff was right on him.
Made for a nicer show, actually.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Walleye
(44,759 posts)LiberatedUSA
(1,666 posts)would be able to find their way home, if their GPS stopped working. I remember a time when a folding map was all one had to drive from one location to another.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Always have one in my glove compartment.
moonscape
(5,714 posts)joined AAA for the maps and trip route thingies
shrike3
(5,370 posts)Probably why phones get locked up.
Walleye
(44,759 posts)Response to Floyd R. Turbo (Original post)
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obamanut2012
(29,357 posts)So, they say the unsayable ie how trans people suck, and you think THAT'S okay?!
What blindspots are there where we support bigotry?
Your post is really, really indefensible, but yet you post this proudly.
Have you no shame?
Am betting I get YET ANOTHER HIDE for calling out transphobia on DU.
"The reason that comics are funny is because they make fun of everything." -0- hahahahhaha jokes about rape, feminism, and LGBT bigotry are SO FUCKING FUNNY
leftyladyfrommo
(20,000 posts)It's impossible to have any kind of meaningful discussions when people react so violently.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)A shame.
Sympthsical
(10,960 posts)Particularly as a gay man whose orientation is increasingly coming under attack.
Will I be airing those opinions?
Newp.
The conversation isn't even remotely possible in some spaces.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Im a gay woman, and I agree with you.
Whats funny is how many here defended Kevin Hart when he said hed be violent to his son should that child dare to appear in any way gay. Some of the same now condemning Chappelle.
Its perplexing.
Sympthsical
(10,960 posts)"Good person off the port bow!"
It's the world's strangest color guard.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)So well stated.
yardwork
(69,352 posts)It's ok - admirable even - for them to say violent things about minorities but not ok when said minorities protest?
THAT is the definition of privilege.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)tendencies.
I remember a lot of support for Hart here. Interesting.
IngridsLittleAngel
(1,962 posts)Some of us condemned and continue to condemn both.
Bigotry isn't funny.
Neither is child abuse.
Fuck Hart. Fuck Chappelle.
obamanut2012
(29,357 posts)Violent my.ass.
Tree-Hugger
(3,379 posts)Transphobia gets a pass.
Nothing brave about targeting the LGBTQIA+ community.
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IngridsLittleAngel
(1,962 posts)for being heterosexual!
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IngridsLittleAngel
(1,962 posts)There. I said it. For a number of people here, Chappelle's repeated attacks on the trans community (along with Maher's) are just fine because... trans people aren't people anyway. They're "beyond people" or "beyond pussy" or whatever. We're just a bunch of self-entitled brats begging for ponies and wanting "special treatment" - like not being terrorized by the QOP, or beaten to death, or whatever.
I know they'll jump my ass for this. But how else should some of us feel? We've been cis-splained and gender-splained for months. We've been told to shut up and quit spoiling their comedy. We've been told "respect the science" to our faces.
But that's fine. We cost the Dems elections. Woke shit costs elections! And Chappelle and Maher are just so amazing and brave!
I wonder how funny it is that I've been harassed repeatedly in my own home ever since Chappelle's goddamned special? That several times I've had to hear people stand outside MY FRONT DOOR, going on about "beyond pussy" and "crossdressers aren't real people" and other such hateful quotes, as loudly as they can? It's so funny? Chappelle's so fucking hilarious? His fucking comedy has been used as a weapon against me, personally. I've had to spend the last six months of my life in even more fear of being a target of a fucking hate crime, because Chappelle's weapons disguised as words have emboldened transphobes the same way Drumpf's fucking campaign speeches have emboldened bigots for six years, and the way Fucker Carlson emboldened the shooter in Buffalo.
But it's soooooo funny! LOLZ! Chappelle 2022 - Fuck Trans Feelings! No, people. Some things are not funny. Rape jokes aren't funny. Child abuse jokes aren't funny (hello, Kevin Hart!) Holocaust jokes aren't funny. And fucking punching down the trans community like Fucking Chappelle isn't funny.
We get it. I'm grateful you get it. I'm tired of the ones who don't get it.
There's no defense for so much of this shit. Yet here... we... are... again. And, of course, it's only us who get hidden. Not the transphobia... Gee. Is there another purge coming for the sake of the election?
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vercetti2021
(10,481 posts)Please tell me what I a transwoman should be doing right? Because exactly what is unsayable?
MrsCoffee
(5,825 posts)I say this as someone with a family member who is a stand up comic.
There are plenty of comics making it out there who aren't embracing bigotry for dollars.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Richard Pryor?
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)What's unclear is the point you're trying to make about them.
Murphy's bit on gay men in Delirious wasn't self-effacing or ironic. It wasn't there to make people think or raise important questions about controversial topics. It was punching down, and it was cruel.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)However, I was not personally offended, triggered nor did I feel the need to rush the stage and attack the comedian.
Good lord, the jokes Ive heard about women over the years
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Hate is not something I routinely engage in.
Triggered? Does that mean I launch myself at something I dont like? I ran into MTG in DC once
I dislike her intensely, but felt no need to attack her physically or even verbally.
Personally, I wouldnt subject myself to a routine that would offend me. I think Kevin Hart is an ass, but his puerile routine would never offend me. I think hes stupid. Period. I dont even like his ridiculous commercials, but they dont offend me.
Your question is baffling.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Words don't have objective meanings. There's a degree of subjectivity involved, even in the best defined terms.
Take this for example:
This is an interpretation of the term "triggered" with which I am wholly unfamiliar. Traditionally, the term is related to PTSD. When one is "triggered", they are referring to having been exposed to material that provoked a recollection or reliving of a traumatic experience.
I do not connect this term with the act of storming a stage and slapping someone.
The term "offense" is even more nebulous. I don't know how you are differentiating between "offense" and "dislike". I also don't know why this baffles you as there is significant overlap between the dictionary definitions of the two terms.
Of course, I don't know what the correlation between being offended and storming a stage to assault somebody is, either.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)The argument put forth here in this thread is that people are "oversensitive", that they shouldn't be offended by transphobic comics. The only supporting evidence for this claim seems to be that one time somebody assaulted a comic and then claimed to have been triggered post hoc.
This is an argument from adverse consequences, and it doesn't stand up to the slightest logical rigor. I shouldn't be offended by a comic mocking marginalized groups to which I may be a part because one time one guy tackled Dave Chapelle? Offense is a natural human emotional reaction. How another person deals with this emotion is not relevant to whether or not you should experience it.
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GoneOffShore
(18,020 posts)Nanjani, Cho, Cohen, Gad Elmaleh, Iliza Schlesinger punch sideways and up.
Chappelle and various fellow travellers punch down, consistently.
Zeitghost
(4,557 posts)You don't think people's lives are in danger when a man who has been charged with attempted murder rushes them with a knife in hand?
obamanut2012
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Rob H.
(5,847 posts)high levels of violence, gender and ethnic discrimination, and poverty. YMMV, but that doesn't strike me as anything remotely resembling comedy.
And in case you missed it:
BY Madeleine Carlisle
December 30, 2021 7:06 AM EST
2021 was the deadliest year for transgender and gender non-conforming people in the U.S. on record. At least 50 trans and gender non-conforming people were killed this year alone, per a report by LGBTQ advocacy organization the Human Rights Campaign (HRC)the highest number of deaths since the organization began recording fatal violence in 2013.
The report makes clear that the full number of fatalities is likely much higher still; the deaths of trans and gender non-conforming people are often underreported, and the victims themselves are often misgendered. (At least 24 of those listed in HRCs report were initially misgendered by the media or police.)
Tori Cooper, the director of community engagement for the transgender justice initiative at the HRC Foundation, says HRC not only noticed a rise in fatal violence, but an increase in violent acts, period.
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Since 2013, HRC has documented 256 incidents of fatal violence against trans and gender-nonconforming people. Over three quarters of victims in that period were 35 years old or younger, and one in ten was under 21. And Black trans women were disproportionately the victims of fatal violence this year, as well as in years pastin the years since HRC has been keeping record, at least 84% of those killed were people of color, 85% were trans women and 66% were Black trans women.
There could be several factors contributing to the rise in violence, Cooper says. Systemic racism and transphobia exacerbates poverty and directly impacts the lives of many trans individuals, she explains. There has also been a rise in anti-trans disinformation in the media and from conservative lawmakers. This year, at least 130 bills were introduced into state legislatures that targeted trans people, including the ability of trans kids to use the bathroom, play sports or receive medical care. A record-breaking 25 anti-LGBTQ bills were ultimately enacted into law, including 13 anti-trans laws in at least eight states, per HRCs count.
Words matter, Coopers says, when asked about potential factors contributing to the violence. Words become thoughts and thoughts become action.
HipChick
(25,612 posts)centuries even....
high levels of violence, gender and ethnic discrimination, and poverty etc
and is still on-going?
And comedians shouldn't be punching down at them, either, but for some reason Chapelle gets a pass from a lot of people here.
obamanut2012
(29,357 posts)It isn't different. Please link to who said it was.
Man, some of y'all love tripling down on defending this dude.
Here is the great George Carlin making fun of fear of germs:
Tarc
(10,601 posts)and that you find enjoyment in the words of a bigoted homophobe.
Happy Hoosier
(9,531 posts)krawhitham
(5,072 posts)Happy Hoosier
(9,531 posts)I believe trans people are more marginalized than Dave Chapelle.
But nice try in trying to cast me as the villain.
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obamanut2012
(29,357 posts)"Someone is a bit too sensitive."
Quit being so thin-skinned and sensitive while we punch down. HAHAHHAHAHHA JOKES PUNCHING DOWN AT LGBT ARE SO FUCKING FUNNY HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA
vercetti2021
(10,481 posts)I'm tired of this bullshit. I'm overly sensitive? How about I'm trying to not fucking get killed by being transgender? I'm so fucking tired of the transphobia on DU.
BlueTsunami2018
(4,983 posts)🤷🏿♂️
yardwork
(69,352 posts)Please publish what Chappelle said here so we can all read it.
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yardwork
(69,352 posts)BlueTsunami2018
(4,983 posts)Im sure they only reported that part and not the part when he went on a hateful rant. 🙄
Come on.
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obamanut2012
(29,357 posts)IngridsLittleAngel
(1,962 posts)Telling people who face bigotry and discrimination and who are the target of "jokes" how the hell they are supposed to feel and react to such bigotry and "jokes". Nothing like being straight-splained and cis-splained by people who aren't being targeted by entire states with "Don't Be Gay" and "Groomers" and all of that shit. People who aren't being harassed in their own homes for trying to live as their true selves.
Yeah. We all need to quit being so thin-skinned. Just STFU and let Lord Chappelle punch down on us so they can laugh.
It's always us being too sensitive. And... whatever. Maybe if some of us just STFU and took off the makeup and dresses and heels, this problem wouldn't exist.
obamanut2012
(29,357 posts)Jfc
I have never seen this site so anti lgbt.
vercetti2021
(10,481 posts)I'll just stop being such a pussy and stop taking all the transphobia to heart. Yeah not exactly that fucking easy when you're transgender.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Wow, irony is not dead.
vercetti2021
(10,481 posts)Laughing so hard right now
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Calling someone a "pussy" was always considered an insult. Attributing female characteristics to a male is both an intent to insult the man and women in general.
But I bet you knew that.
vercetti2021
(10,481 posts)Calling myself a cat.
Oneironaut
(6,294 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)No further comment.
Oneironaut
(6,294 posts)I realize no phones were allowed, but, no one can summarize what he actually said? I dont trust when people criticize speech without providing what was said.
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leftyladyfrommo
(20,000 posts)PatSeg
(53,206 posts)Without knowing what was said, it is hard to pass judgment. And are they saying Chappelle made offensive jokes or just embrace a comedian who did?
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)That's what he said.
PatSeg
(53,206 posts)And that is what this entire thread is about?
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)You know how that goes around here.
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PatSeg
(53,206 posts)Oneironaut
(6,294 posts)I picture an angry nun going around and slapping peoples knuckles lol.
Guess what? The world sucks sometimes. Not everyone is understanding. Im trans, and, people have stared me down, made rude comments, and made me feel unsafe. A shitty joke isnt what Im worried about.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)directed my way. I think we were tougher in those days. Or something.
When I was in the Air Force, the saying the men used to throw around was that women in the military were either "sluts, lezzies. or looking for a husband." Even if a woman wasn't gay, she faced plenty of ugly jokes, harassment, insinuations...god the stories I could tell...
Jokes told by stand-up comedians didn't bother me in the least. You are spot on.
PatSeg
(53,206 posts)From what I've witnessed, that would make sense.
vercetti2021
(10,481 posts)Try being me a transwoman in the current day. This fuck head doesn't make funny remarks about us. He literally bitches and complains about us. He isn't helping our community and hasn't for a while.
obamanut2012
(29,357 posts)wtf has this place become?
vercetti2021
(10,481 posts)But I'm ready to make an exit at this point. I really thought this place was safe for people like myself and Ingrid. But it isn't. People are defending transphobic behavior. I'm tired of it. I'd rather have my account removed than continue to put up with the bullshit here.
obamanut2012
(29,357 posts)Very few would have defended Chapelle or Rowling here publicly ten years+ ago. They might have thought it, but most wouldn't say that part out loud. Now? Hateful.
Tree-Hugger
(3,379 posts)I have noticed transphobia often goes unchecked and is defended.
vercetti2021
(10,481 posts)We've grown extremely tired of it. We have no defenders outside a few and usually get the most hidden. We both talked about quitting DU over it. Or least going out getting banned in blaze of glory defending ourselves
obamanut2012
(29,357 posts)And, I keep getting hidden posts over calling out the transphobes here, and then get 24-hour alert bans because juries go ZERO for hiding this filth.
Rob H.
(5,847 posts)I can't imagine how that must make our trans brothers and sisters feel, but I try my best to be an ally.
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alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Gottta give him that.
Iggo
(49,921 posts)He found something that pisses off the right people and hes not going to stop. You can feed into it or you can kick him to the curb. I choose the latter. (In fact, I think Ill add Chapelle to my trashed word list. Im done talking about him here.)
LiberatedUSA
(1,666 posts)A true progressive doesnt care that Chappelle was attacked by a person with a weapon at a prior event; after all he might have said something offensive. No no no, a true progressive only cares that his joke was the person that attacked me was carrying a gun that identified as a knife; since he was attacked by a person with a fake gun that was a knife.
Oh no!!! The world shall end!!! How dare he!
His joke was violence, the attacking him over his jokes was understandable!
PatSeg
(53,206 posts)I don't follow Dave Chappelle and didn't know about the gun-like knife attack. This entire thread is looking like a waste of time.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)I really don't understand this mindset.
Don't support the things you don't like. Trying to ban it gives it more attention.
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Johnny2X2X
(24,187 posts)But he can say whatever he wants, people are free to ignore him or speak out against him in return.
More free speech is the answer.
AngryOldDem
(14,180 posts)Its crystal clear how he feels about the trans community.
(Hes also been a prick to his neighbors in Yellow Springs, too.)
Fuck him.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)She said she is usually one of the few white people in attendance.
He's mostly hugely popular with PoC.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)madville
(7,847 posts)Last numbers I saw, around 80% of transgender violence was among people of color.
Chappelles act is also usually racist against Asian and White people, which his audiences seem to love.
I personally dont watch him or care for his content.
catsudon
(904 posts)and i love all his asian jokes, like the one about the covid one.
Sympthsical
(10,960 posts)If you're a fan of stand-up, how he constructs his jokes is brilliant. How he structures his stories, circles around, and flips the script on where you think he's going with it. There is a lot of artistry in how he goes about it.
For people who just go to see a comedian for a laugh, people have a lot of affection for him from the days of his show.
For me, his newer material isn't as funny while simultaneously genius in its construction. I'm not sure if I find him hilarious as much as I just admire how he works his craft.
That said, the Jussie Smollett shit was golden.
As for his current controversy. I just don't think I care. And with this incident, the "real story" is that he said he was attacked with a knife identifying as a gun and not the fact he was attacked with a knife for his jokes?
Ok. I guess that's where we are now. The important bit is the words, not the violence.
Sure.
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leftyladyfrommo
(20,000 posts)abd rhen just really listen to what the other person is saying.
The source for a lot of Stand Up comes from a lot of pain. And because of that they sometimes cut too close for comfort. It can be really disturbing. Or it can be hysterically funny.
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Floyd R. Turbo
(32,896 posts)leftyladyfrommo
(20,000 posts)CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)Nobody ever said that response had to be positive. If you are telling people to get over themselves because they didnt care for the jokes then you are the one that is causing the problem.
leftyladyfrommo
(20,000 posts)won't survive if they have to monitor everything they say.
I love Stand Up and there are people I just don't like or that I find offensive but I don't want them to shut up. I just want to listen to it.
IngridsLittleAngel
(1,962 posts)One of the chief transphobes would like to say something...
Bucky
(55,334 posts)Once you've made up your mind to punch down at a weaker social group, the intoxication of power becomes too heady to resist.
Think about the rush among some DUers to come up with increasingly harsh and aggressive denigrations of Republicans. They're ReThuglicans, they're Republikkkons, they're ReThuglinazis. They don't say Trump anymore, it's "45" or it's "TFG" or it's "Drumppf". It feels good to trash the name of someone you don't like. Only conservative Republicans will survive the insults of us a few snarky liberal posters on DU. We're punching up at the plutocrats that're plundering our society. Chappelle is pursuing a grudge against an already oppressed and marginalized minority group. I'm sure all the applause feels good to a comedian.
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IngridsLittleAngel
(1,962 posts)We knew the "LGBTQ'S COST US ELECTIONS!!!!!11`1`~" crowd would chime in!
BannonsLiver
(20,570 posts)A bad faith argument!
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obamanut2012
(29,357 posts)Remember when marriage equality was announced by Scotus? THE GAYS WILL RUIN US.
And rhe Lawrence decision? Same.
Same when DADT was pulled.
EarlG
(23,622 posts)It's one thing to say that Dave Chapelle has the right to say what he says about trans people. Of course he does. In America, all bigoted assholes have the right to say things that let everyone know they're a bigoted asshole.
But think carefully about how you approach this topic if you don't want to be seen to be defending a bigot. We have a rule which states:
If you suggest that your fellow DU members who rightly find Chappelle's bigotry to be hateful and harmful to the trans community are being "oversensitive" or "triggered," then you are not demonstrating an appropriate level of sensitivity.
And to be clear, the louder you protest that Chappelle's bigotry should be waved off because he's just a comedian, the more I'm going to assume that you don't just agree with his right to say harmful shit about trans people, but you actually agree with what he's saying.
Once again, please educate yourselves:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215969127