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Floyd R. Turbo

(32,896 posts)
Mon May 23, 2022, 08:42 AM May 2022

More assholery from Chappelle

This discussion thread was locked by EarlG (a host of the General Discussion forum).

COLUMBUS, Ohio — Comedian Dave Chappelle made a surprise appearance Friday at fellow comedian John Mulaney’s show in Columbus, Ohio, drawing criticism on social media for what some in attendance said were jokes targeting the LGBTQ community.

According to attendees, Chappelle, who lives in Yellow Springs, around 40 miles southwest of Columbus, was a surprise opener for Mulaney’s “From Scratch” tour stop at Value City Arena at Ohio State on Friday. There is no footage from the event, as attendees were required to lock their phones up before the show, Variety reported.

Afterward, many attendees took to social media to express concern and criticism for what they said were jokes targeting the transgender community. Some also reported that Mulaney and Chappelle shared an embrace on stage.

Comments about Chappelle’s performance on the show, as well Mulaney, were trending on Twitter over the weekend, with more than 19,200 tweets by Sunday afternoon.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2022/05/22/dave-chappelle-john-mulaney-ohio-criticism-lgbtq/9887000002/

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More assholery from Chappelle (Original Post) Floyd R. Turbo May 2022 OP
I'm not gonna go to any show where I have to lock up my phone Walleye May 2022 #1
It's usually a sleeve that they give you which they unlock when you leave. Cuthbert Allgood May 2022 #2
Not uncommon Claire Oh Nette May 2022 #54
I remember going to shows without carrying a phone! BlackSkimmer May 2022 #26
Yes, but I always had a camera. They never made me lock up my Leica Walleye May 2022 #27
I wonder how many people... LiberatedUSA May 2022 #32
Same here! I still love maps. BlackSkimmer May 2022 #33
And I remember a time when folks moonscape May 2022 #112
Me neither. Iggo May 2022 #38
I've been to concerts where people were asked not to use phones, but they did anyway. shrike3 May 2022 #100
I guess we just can't count on people behaving in a civilized manner anymore Walleye May 2022 #113
Post removed Post removed May 2022 #3
" Literally. Their lives are in danger simply because they say the unsayable." -- wtaf obamanut2012 May 2022 #9
See what happens when the topic comes up? leftyladyfrommo May 2022 #14
I wouldn't call it violent! It's a discussion board, get it? USALiberal May 2022 #61
True about several topics here. Mustn't deviate from the narrative. BlackSkimmer May 2022 #64
I have so many opinions on this topic Sympthsical May 2022 #65
I hear you. BlackSkimmer May 2022 #77
The art of the social nautical flag Sympthsical May 2022 #82
Lol. BlackSkimmer May 2022 #86
Like the violent things that the "entertainers" say? yardwork May 2022 #78
How did you feel about Kevin Hart threatening violence toward his own son should he show "gay" BlackSkimmer May 2022 #96
Just as there's a fucking lot of support for Chappelle here... now IngridsLittleAngel May 2022 #110
Lol whatever obamanut2012 May 2022 #125
"Oversensitive" Tree-Hugger May 2022 #17
Post removed Post removed May 2022 #58
Heterosexuals don't get beaten or killed or denied rights... IngridsLittleAngel May 2022 #111
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2022 #66
Bigotry is okay because to many of us, we're not even people IngridsLittleAngel May 2022 #109
This message was self-deleted by its author Tree-Hugger May 2022 #16
Okay so tell me vercetti2021 May 2022 #18
If stand up comedy needs such bigotry to survive, then I'd happily pull the plug. MrsCoffee May 2022 #19
Remember Eddie Murphy? BlackSkimmer May 2022 #28
I do. Act_of_Reparation May 2022 #76
Yes, I hated his routines on gay people. BlackSkimmer May 2022 #79
Could you explain the difference between hating a routine and not being offended or triggered by it? Act_of_Reparation May 2022 #81
Really? You need that explained? Perhaps I should have said I "disliked" his routines. BlackSkimmer May 2022 #85
It's semantics. Act_of_Reparation May 2022 #95
Ah, perhaps you missed the recent report that Chappelle's attacker says he was "triggered." BlackSkimmer May 2022 #97
I don't much care that they did. Act_of_Reparation May 2022 #116
. WhiskeyGrinder May 2022 #20
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2022 #75
Perhaps learn the difference between punching down, punching sideways, and punching up GoneOffShore May 2022 #83
Just to be clear Zeitghost May 2022 #91
What does that have to do with Chapelle's bigotry? obamanut2012 May 2022 #126
Post removed Post removed May 2022 #22
He's punching down at a marginalized community known to be subjected to Rob H. May 2022 #46
How is this different from other marginalized communities that have been targeted for decades HipChick May 2022 #53
It isn't Rob H. May 2022 #67
Whataboutism, really??? obamanut2012 May 2022 #127
I agree. Edim May 2022 #89
So glad your comfy in your privilege Tarc May 2022 #90
Punching down is never funny and always disgraceful. Fuck Chapelle. NT Happy Hoosier May 2022 #92
Punching down?? So you believe the LGBTQ community is below Chapelle? krawhitham May 2022 #108
Nice Try! Happy Hoosier May 2022 #114
Yawn obamanut2012 May 2022 #128
I guess that's what he wants to be known for. eShirl May 2022 #4
Post removed Post removed May 2022 #5
"People need to get over themselves. " obamanut2012 May 2022 #10
Thank you! +1000 vercetti2021 May 2022 #12
Since that's not what happened, you have no point. BlueTsunami2018 May 2022 #70
What didn't happen? You seem to know. yardwork May 2022 #80
Post removed Post removed May 2022 #84
How do you know that's all he said? Were you there? yardwork May 2022 #88
Because that's what was reported. BlueTsunami2018 May 2022 #93
What I've seen reported is that recordings weren't allowed. yardwork May 2022 #94
Post removed Post removed May 2022 #98
Oh please school me on how stupid I am oh wide one obamanut2012 May 2022 #129
These people are something else... IngridsLittleAngel May 2022 #115
Look at this thread obamanut2012 May 2022 #130
Yeah I'll get over myself vercetti2021 May 2022 #15
"Such a pussy"? BlackSkimmer May 2022 #24
Haha vercetti2021 May 2022 #30
Many consider that word offensive. BlackSkimmer May 2022 #34
Irony here vercetti2021 May 2022 #37
Nice try. BlackSkimmer May 2022 #39
FYI - Vercetti is female. Oneironaut May 2022 #44
Then she should know better. BlackSkimmer May 2022 #59
And yet no one is able to provide what he actually said? lol Oneironaut May 2022 #6
Post removed Post removed May 2022 #25
Thank you. leftyladyfrommo May 2022 #51
Good point PatSeg May 2022 #29
See post #25. BlackSkimmer May 2022 #35
Seriously??? PatSeg May 2022 #40
As usual, most people commenting probably have no idea what he said. BlackSkimmer May 2022 #42
Post removed Post removed May 2022 #45
Well said! BlackSkimmer May 2022 #47
Thanks for the sane and reasonable discussion PatSeg May 2022 #50
Back atcha! BlackSkimmer May 2022 #60
Also, people on Twitter sound like zealots demanding everything be censored. Oneironaut May 2022 #7
This. Growing up as a gay woman who came out WAY before it was cool, I heard plenty of nasty crap BlackSkimmer May 2022 #41
So it appears to be more generational then PatSeg May 2022 #48
I see the Chappelle apologists have arrived to defend him vercetti2021 May 2022 #8
Including defending transphobia obamanut2012 May 2022 #11
I don't know vercetti2021 May 2022 #13
It is even worse now than it was years ago obamanut2012 May 2022 #56
It's common Tree-Hugger May 2022 #23
Me and another have noticed it for a while vercetti2021 May 2022 #31
Admins will do nothing to enforce it obamanut2012 May 2022 #55
There are a disturbingly high number of TERFs here Rob H. May 2022 #69
Post removed Post removed May 2022 #117
He is certainly mastering staying in the news cycle over some hurt feelings. alphafemale May 2022 #21
That's his shtick now. Iggo May 2022 #36
Yes, yes. LiberatedUSA May 2022 #43
Thanks for putting it in context PatSeg May 2022 #49
I am all for offending people unless I am offended ...um OK alphafemale May 2022 #72
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver May 2022 #121
Chappelle is an asshole Johnny2X2X May 2022 #52
I really don't understand Chappelle's popularity. AngryOldDem May 2022 #57
I don't care for him, but a friend of mine has been to his shows. BlackSkimmer May 2022 #62
He's annoying as hell to me, but I understand people like him USALiberal May 2022 #63
ok lol nt Torchlight May 2022 #73
His popularity makes some sense madville May 2022 #71
im an asian catsudon May 2022 #106
Popularly, he coasts on old material. Within comedy, he's a comic's comic Sympthsical May 2022 #74
Post removed Post removed May 2022 #68
Post removed Post removed May 2022 #87
Personally I think we should all just get stoned leftyladyfrommo May 2022 #99
This message was self-deleted by its author leftyladyfrommo May 2022 #101
Looks like you did! Floyd R. Turbo May 2022 #102
I didn't even know I could do that. nt leftyladyfrommo May 2022 #103
🤗 Floyd R. Turbo May 2022 #105
It's a comedians job to get a response from people. CrackityJones75 May 2022 #104
That's valid. But my point was more that Stand Up leftyladyfrommo May 2022 #107
Oh. Good. IngridsLittleAngel May 2022 #118
Bigotry has an addictive quality. Bucky May 2022 #119
Post removed Post removed May 2022 #120
AND THERE IT IS! IngridsLittleAngel May 2022 #122
And there is is! BannonsLiver May 2022 #123
Post removed Post removed May 2022 #124
I was shocked it took so long obamanut2012 May 2022 #131
Dear people who still haven't gotten it yet EarlG May 2022 #132

Walleye

(44,759 posts)
1. I'm not gonna go to any show where I have to lock up my phone
Mon May 23, 2022, 08:43 AM
May 2022

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,339 posts)
2. It's usually a sleeve that they give you which they unlock when you leave.
Mon May 23, 2022, 08:46 AM
May 2022

It's to protect IP.

Claire Oh Nette

(2,636 posts)
54. Not uncommon
Mon May 23, 2022, 11:32 AM
May 2022

Recently saw Bob Dylan in Asheville.

Harrah's staff made no bones about patrons turning phones off at 8:00pm. Handed out business cards to the whiners. Official Warning. Repeat offenders would be escorted out.

Bob came on right at 8:00. No phones. No one watching tiny screens. Everyone watching th eartist.

One woman was invited to leave for violating the policy. Guy in fron tof us tried to take a picture on the sly, and staff was right on him.

Made for a nicer show, actually.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
26. I remember going to shows without carrying a phone!
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:02 AM
May 2022

Walleye

(44,759 posts)
27. Yes, but I always had a camera. They never made me lock up my Leica
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:04 AM
May 2022
 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
32. I wonder how many people...
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:09 AM
May 2022

…would be able to find their way home, if their GPS stopped working. I remember a time when a folding map was all one had to drive from one location to another.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
33. Same here! I still love maps.
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:11 AM
May 2022

Always have one in my glove compartment.

moonscape

(5,714 posts)
112. And I remember a time when folks
Mon May 23, 2022, 03:48 PM
May 2022

joined AAA for the maps and trip route thingies

Iggo

(49,921 posts)
38. Me neither.
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:18 AM
May 2022
 

shrike3

(5,370 posts)
100. I've been to concerts where people were asked not to use phones, but they did anyway.
Mon May 23, 2022, 03:23 PM
May 2022

Probably why phones get locked up.

Walleye

(44,759 posts)
113. I guess we just can't count on people behaving in a civilized manner anymore
Mon May 23, 2022, 03:49 PM
May 2022

Response to Floyd R. Turbo (Original post)

obamanut2012

(29,357 posts)
9. " Literally. Their lives are in danger simply because they say the unsayable." -- wtaf
Mon May 23, 2022, 09:44 AM
May 2022

So, they say the unsayable ie how trans people suck, and you think THAT'S okay?!

What blindspots are there where we support bigotry?

Your post is really, really indefensible, but yet you post this proudly.

Have you no shame?

Am betting I get YET ANOTHER HIDE for calling out transphobia on DU.

"The reason that comics are funny is because they make fun of everything." -0- hahahahhaha jokes about rape, feminism, and LGBT bigotry are SO FUCKING FUNNY

leftyladyfrommo

(20,000 posts)
14. See what happens when the topic comes up?
Mon May 23, 2022, 09:48 AM
May 2022

It's impossible to have any kind of meaningful discussions when people react so violently.

USALiberal

(10,877 posts)
61. I wouldn't call it violent! It's a discussion board, get it?
Mon May 23, 2022, 11:53 AM
May 2022
 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
64. True about several topics here. Mustn't deviate from the narrative.
Mon May 23, 2022, 11:59 AM
May 2022

A shame.

Sympthsical

(10,960 posts)
65. I have so many opinions on this topic
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:08 PM
May 2022

Particularly as a gay man whose orientation is increasingly coming under attack.

Will I be airing those opinions?

Newp.

The conversation isn't even remotely possible in some spaces.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
77. I hear you.
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:29 PM
May 2022

I’m a gay woman, and I agree with you.

What’s funny is how many here defended Kevin Hart when he said he’d be violent to his son should that child dare to appear in any way gay. Some of the same now condemning Chappelle.

It’s perplexing.

Sympthsical

(10,960 posts)
82. The art of the social nautical flag
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:40 PM
May 2022

"Good person off the port bow!"

It's the world's strangest color guard.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
86. Lol.
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:50 PM
May 2022

So well stated.

yardwork

(69,352 posts)
78. Like the violent things that the "entertainers" say?
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:30 PM
May 2022

It's ok - admirable even - for them to say violent things about minorities but not ok when said minorities protest?

THAT is the definition of privilege.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
96. How did you feel about Kevin Hart threatening violence toward his own son should he show "gay"
Mon May 23, 2022, 01:55 PM
May 2022

tendencies.

I remember a lot of support for Hart here. Interesting.

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
110. Just as there's a fucking lot of support for Chappelle here... now
Mon May 23, 2022, 03:47 PM
May 2022

Some of us condemned and continue to condemn both.

Bigotry isn't funny.

Neither is child abuse.

Fuck Hart. Fuck Chappelle.

obamanut2012

(29,357 posts)
125. Lol whatever
Mon May 23, 2022, 05:02 PM
May 2022

Violent my.ass.

Tree-Hugger

(3,379 posts)
17. "Oversensitive"
Mon May 23, 2022, 09:51 AM
May 2022

Transphobia gets a pass.

Nothing brave about targeting the LGBTQIA+ community.

Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #9)

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
111. Heterosexuals don't get beaten or killed or denied rights...
Mon May 23, 2022, 03:48 PM
May 2022

for being heterosexual!

Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #9)

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
109. Bigotry is okay because to many of us, we're not even people
Mon May 23, 2022, 03:46 PM
May 2022

There. I said it. For a number of people here, Chappelle's repeated attacks on the trans community (along with Maher's) are just fine because... trans people aren't people anyway. They're "beyond people" or "beyond pussy" or whatever. We're just a bunch of self-entitled brats begging for ponies and wanting "special treatment" - like not being terrorized by the QOP, or beaten to death, or whatever.

I know they'll jump my ass for this. But how else should some of us feel? We've been cis-splained and gender-splained for months. We've been told to shut up and quit spoiling their comedy. We've been told "respect the science" to our faces.

But that's fine. We cost the Dems elections. Woke shit costs elections! And Chappelle and Maher are just so amazing and brave!

I wonder how funny it is that I've been harassed repeatedly in my own home ever since Chappelle's goddamned special? That several times I've had to hear people stand outside MY FRONT DOOR, going on about "beyond pussy" and "crossdressers aren't real people" and other such hateful quotes, as loudly as they can? It's so funny? Chappelle's so fucking hilarious? His fucking comedy has been used as a weapon against me, personally. I've had to spend the last six months of my life in even more fear of being a target of a fucking hate crime, because Chappelle's weapons disguised as words have emboldened transphobes the same way Drumpf's fucking campaign speeches have emboldened bigots for six years, and the way Fucker Carlson emboldened the shooter in Buffalo.

But it's soooooo funny! LOLZ! Chappelle 2022 - Fuck Trans Feelings! No, people. Some things are not funny. Rape jokes aren't funny. Child abuse jokes aren't funny (hello, Kevin Hart!) Holocaust jokes aren't funny. And fucking punching down the trans community like Fucking Chappelle isn't funny.

We get it. I'm grateful you get it. I'm tired of the ones who don't get it.

There's no defense for so much of this shit. Yet here... we... are... again. And, of course, it's only us who get hidden. Not the transphobia... Gee. Is there another purge coming for the sake of the election?

Response to Post removed (Reply #3)

 

vercetti2021

(10,481 posts)
18. Okay so tell me
Mon May 23, 2022, 09:52 AM
May 2022

Please tell me what I a transwoman should be doing right? Because exactly what is unsayable?

MrsCoffee

(5,825 posts)
19. If stand up comedy needs such bigotry to survive, then I'd happily pull the plug.
Mon May 23, 2022, 09:52 AM
May 2022

I say this as someone with a family member who is a stand up comic.

There are plenty of comics making it out there who aren't embracing bigotry for dollars.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
28. Remember Eddie Murphy?
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:04 AM
May 2022

Richard Pryor?

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
76. I do.
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:28 PM
May 2022

What's unclear is the point you're trying to make about them.

Murphy's bit on gay men in Delirious wasn't self-effacing or ironic. It wasn't there to make people think or raise important questions about controversial topics. It was punching down, and it was cruel.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
79. Yes, I hated his routines on gay people.
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:32 PM
May 2022

However, I was not personally offended, “triggered “ nor did I feel the need to rush the stage and attack the comedian.

Good lord, the jokes I’ve heard about women over the years…

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
81. Could you explain the difference between hating a routine and not being offended or triggered by it?
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:39 PM
May 2022
 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
85. Really? You need that explained? Perhaps I should have said I "disliked" his routines.
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:48 PM
May 2022

Hate is not something I routinely engage in.

“Triggered?” Does that mean I launch myself at something I don’t like? I ran into MTG in DC once…I dislike her intensely, but felt no need to attack her physically or even verbally.

Personally, I wouldn’t subject myself to a “routine” that would offend me. I think Kevin Hart is an ass, but his puerile routine would never offend me. I think he’s stupid. Period. I don’t even like his ridiculous commercials, but they don’t offend me.

Your question is baffling.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
95. It's semantics.
Mon May 23, 2022, 01:51 PM
May 2022

Words don't have objective meanings. There's a degree of subjectivity involved, even in the best defined terms.

Take this for example:

“Triggered?” Does that mean I launch myself at something I don’t like? I ran into MTG in DC once…I dislike her intensely, but felt no need to attack her physically or even verbally.


This is an interpretation of the term "triggered" with which I am wholly unfamiliar. Traditionally, the term is related to PTSD. When one is "triggered", they are referring to having been exposed to material that provoked a recollection or reliving of a traumatic experience.

I do not connect this term with the act of storming a stage and slapping someone.

The term "offense" is even more nebulous. I don't know how you are differentiating between "offense" and "dislike". I also don't know why this baffles you as there is significant overlap between the dictionary definitions of the two terms.

Of course, I don't know what the correlation between being offended and storming a stage to assault somebody is, either.
 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
97. Ah, perhaps you missed the recent report that Chappelle's attacker says he was "triggered."
Mon May 23, 2022, 01:57 PM
May 2022

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
116. I don't much care that they did.
Mon May 23, 2022, 04:02 PM
May 2022

The argument put forth here in this thread is that people are "oversensitive", that they shouldn't be offended by transphobic comics. The only supporting evidence for this claim seems to be that one time somebody assaulted a comic and then claimed to have been triggered post hoc.

This is an argument from adverse consequences, and it doesn't stand up to the slightest logical rigor. I shouldn't be offended by a comic mocking marginalized groups to which I may be a part because one time one guy tackled Dave Chapelle? Offense is a natural human emotional reaction. How another person deals with this emotion is not relevant to whether or not you should experience it.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,933 posts)
20. .
Mon May 23, 2022, 09:53 AM
May 2022
The reason that comics are funny is because they make fun of everything.
Making fun of the marginalized *for the reasons they're marginalized* isn't funny. It's punching down and contributes to oppression.

Their lives are in danger simply because they say the unsayable.
Come the fuck on.

Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #20)

GoneOffShore

(18,020 posts)
83. Perhaps learn the difference between punching down, punching sideways, and punching up
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:44 PM
May 2022

Nanjani, Cho, Cohen, Gad Elmaleh, Iliza Schlesinger punch sideways and up.

Chappelle and various fellow travellers punch down, consistently.

 

Zeitghost

(4,557 posts)
91. Just to be clear
Mon May 23, 2022, 01:25 PM
May 2022

You don't think people's lives are in danger when a man who has been charged with attempted murder rushes them with a knife in hand?

obamanut2012

(29,357 posts)
126. What does that have to do with Chapelle's bigotry?
Mon May 23, 2022, 05:04 PM
May 2022

Response to Post removed (Reply #3)

Rob H.

(5,847 posts)
46. He's punching down at a marginalized community known to be subjected to
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:43 AM
May 2022

high levels of violence, gender and ethnic discrimination, and poverty. YMMV, but that doesn't strike me as anything remotely resembling comedy.

And in case you missed it:

Anti-Trans Violence and Rhetoric Reached Record Highs Across America in 2021
BY Madeleine Carlisle
December 30, 2021 7:06 AM EST

2021 was the deadliest year for transgender and gender non-conforming people in the U.S. on record. At least 50 trans and gender non-conforming people were killed this year alone, per a report by LGBTQ advocacy organization the Human Rights Campaign (HRC)—the highest number of deaths since the organization began recording fatal violence in 2013.

The report makes clear that the full number of fatalities is likely much higher still; the deaths of trans and gender non-conforming people are often underreported, and the victims themselves are often misgendered. (At least 24 of those listed in HRC’s report were initially misgendered by the media or police.)

Tori Cooper, the director of community engagement for the transgender justice initiative at the HRC Foundation, says HRC not only noticed a rise in fatal violence, but an “increase in violent acts, period.”

(snip)

Since 2013, HRC has documented 256 incidents of fatal violence against trans and gender-nonconforming people. Over three quarters of victims in that period were 35 years old or younger, and one in ten was under 21. And Black trans women were disproportionately the victims of fatal violence this year, as well as in years past—in the years since HRC has been keeping record, at least 84% of those killed were people of color, 85% were trans women and 66% were Black trans women.

There could be several factors contributing to the rise in violence, Cooper says. Systemic racism and transphobia exacerbates poverty and directly impacts the lives of many trans individuals, she explains. There has also been a rise in anti-trans disinformation in the media and from conservative lawmakers. This year, at least 130 bills were introduced into state legislatures that targeted trans people, including the ability of trans kids to use the bathroom, play sports or receive medical care. A record-breaking 25 anti-LGBTQ bills were ultimately enacted into law, including 13 anti-trans laws in at least eight states, per HRC’s count.

“Words matter,” Coopers says, when asked about potential factors contributing to the violence. “Words become thoughts and thoughts become action.”

HipChick

(25,612 posts)
53. How is this different from other marginalized communities that have been targeted for decades
Mon May 23, 2022, 11:30 AM
May 2022

centuries even....

high levels of violence, gender and ethnic discrimination, and poverty etc

and is still on-going?

Rob H.

(5,847 posts)
67. It isn't
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:12 PM
May 2022

And comedians shouldn't be punching down at them, either, but for some reason Chapelle gets a pass from a lot of people here.

obamanut2012

(29,357 posts)
127. Whataboutism, really???
Mon May 23, 2022, 05:06 PM
May 2022

It isn't different. Please link to who said it was.

Man, some of y'all love tripling down on defending this dude.

Edim

(312 posts)
89. I agree.
Mon May 23, 2022, 01:00 PM
May 2022

Here is the great George Carlin making fun of fear of germs:

Tarc

(10,601 posts)
90. So glad your comfy in your privilege
Mon May 23, 2022, 01:20 PM
May 2022

and that you find enjoyment in the words of a bigoted homophobe.


Happy Hoosier

(9,531 posts)
92. Punching down is never funny and always disgraceful. Fuck Chapelle. NT
Mon May 23, 2022, 01:47 PM
May 2022

krawhitham

(5,072 posts)
108. Punching down?? So you believe the LGBTQ community is below Chapelle?
Mon May 23, 2022, 03:40 PM
May 2022

Happy Hoosier

(9,531 posts)
114. Nice Try!
Mon May 23, 2022, 03:50 PM
May 2022

I believe trans people are more marginalized than Dave Chapelle.

But nice try in trying to cast me as the villain.

obamanut2012

(29,357 posts)
128. Yawn
Mon May 23, 2022, 05:07 PM
May 2022

eShirl

(20,246 posts)
4. I guess that's what he wants to be known for.
Mon May 23, 2022, 09:23 AM
May 2022

Response to Floyd R. Turbo (Original post)

obamanut2012

(29,357 posts)
10. "People need to get over themselves. "
Mon May 23, 2022, 09:46 AM
May 2022

"Someone is a bit too sensitive."

Quit being so thin-skinned and sensitive while we punch down. HAHAHHAHAHHA JOKES PUNCHING DOWN AT LGBT ARE SO FUCKING FUNNY HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA

 

vercetti2021

(10,481 posts)
12. Thank you! +1000
Mon May 23, 2022, 09:47 AM
May 2022

I'm tired of this bullshit. I'm overly sensitive? How about I'm trying to not fucking get killed by being transgender? I'm so fucking tired of the transphobia on DU.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,983 posts)
70. Since that's not what happened, you have no point.
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:15 PM
May 2022

🤷🏿‍♂️

yardwork

(69,352 posts)
80. What didn't happen? You seem to know.
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:32 PM
May 2022

Please publish what Chappelle said here so we can all read it.

Response to yardwork (Reply #80)

yardwork

(69,352 posts)
88. How do you know that's all he said? Were you there?
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:53 PM
May 2022

BlueTsunami2018

(4,983 posts)
93. Because that's what was reported.
Mon May 23, 2022, 01:48 PM
May 2022

I’m sure they only reported that part and not the part when he went on a hateful rant. 🙄

Come on.

yardwork

(69,352 posts)
94. What I've seen reported is that recordings weren't allowed.
Mon May 23, 2022, 01:49 PM
May 2022

Response to yardwork (Reply #94)

obamanut2012

(29,357 posts)
129. Oh please school me on how stupid I am oh wide one
Mon May 23, 2022, 05:07 PM
May 2022
 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
115. These people are something else...
Mon May 23, 2022, 03:52 PM
May 2022

Telling people who face bigotry and discrimination and who are the target of "jokes" how the hell they are supposed to feel and react to such bigotry and "jokes". Nothing like being straight-splained and cis-splained by people who aren't being targeted by entire states with "Don't Be Gay" and "Groomers" and all of that shit. People who aren't being harassed in their own homes for trying to live as their true selves.

Yeah. We all need to quit being so thin-skinned. Just STFU and let Lord Chappelle punch down on us so they can laugh.

It's always us being too sensitive. And... whatever. Maybe if some of us just STFU and took off the makeup and dresses and heels, this problem wouldn't exist.

obamanut2012

(29,357 posts)
130. Look at this thread
Mon May 23, 2022, 05:08 PM
May 2022

Jfc

I have never seen this site so anti lgbt.

 

vercetti2021

(10,481 posts)
15. Yeah I'll get over myself
Mon May 23, 2022, 09:50 AM
May 2022

I'll just stop being such a pussy and stop taking all the transphobia to heart. Yeah not exactly that fucking easy when you're transgender.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
24. "Such a pussy"?
Mon May 23, 2022, 09:57 AM
May 2022

Wow, irony is not dead.

 

vercetti2021

(10,481 posts)
30. Haha
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:07 AM
May 2022

Laughing so hard right now

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
34. Many consider that word offensive.
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:13 AM
May 2022

Calling someone a "pussy" was always considered an insult. Attributing female characteristics to a male is both an intent to insult the man and women in general.

But I bet you knew that.

 

vercetti2021

(10,481 posts)
37. Irony here
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:17 AM
May 2022

Calling myself a cat.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
39. Nice try.
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:19 AM
May 2022

Oneironaut

(6,294 posts)
44. FYI - Vercetti is female.
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:42 AM
May 2022
 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
59. Then she should know better.
Mon May 23, 2022, 11:50 AM
May 2022

No further comment.

Oneironaut

(6,294 posts)
6. And yet no one is able to provide what he actually said? lol
Mon May 23, 2022, 09:27 AM
May 2022

I realize no phones were allowed, but, no one can summarize what he actually said? I don’t trust when people criticize speech without providing what was said.

Response to Oneironaut (Reply #6)

leftyladyfrommo

(20,000 posts)
51. Thank you.
Mon May 23, 2022, 11:10 AM
May 2022

PatSeg

(53,206 posts)
29. Good point
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:06 AM
May 2022

Without knowing what was said, it is hard to pass judgment. And are they saying Chappelle made offensive jokes or just embrace a comedian who did?

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
35. See post #25.
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:14 AM
May 2022

That's what he said.

PatSeg

(53,206 posts)
40. Seriously???
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:20 AM
May 2022

And that is what this entire thread is about?

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
42. As usual, most people commenting probably have no idea what he said.
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:29 AM
May 2022

You know how that goes around here.

Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #42)

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
47. Well said!
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:44 AM
May 2022

PatSeg

(53,206 posts)
50. Thanks for the sane and reasonable discussion
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:51 AM
May 2022
 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
60. Back atcha!
Mon May 23, 2022, 11:51 AM
May 2022

Oneironaut

(6,294 posts)
7. Also, people on Twitter sound like zealots demanding everything be censored.
Mon May 23, 2022, 09:33 AM
May 2022

I picture an angry nun going around and slapping peoples’ knuckles lol.

Guess what? The world sucks sometimes. Not everyone is understanding. I’m trans, and, people have stared me down, made rude comments, and made me feel unsafe. A shitty joke isn’t what I’m worried about.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
41. This. Growing up as a gay woman who came out WAY before it was cool, I heard plenty of nasty crap
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:27 AM
May 2022

directed my way. I think we were tougher in those days. Or something.

When I was in the Air Force, the saying the men used to throw around was that women in the military were either "sluts, lezzies. or looking for a husband." Even if a woman wasn't gay, she faced plenty of ugly jokes, harassment, insinuations...god the stories I could tell...

Jokes told by stand-up comedians didn't bother me in the least. You are spot on.

PatSeg

(53,206 posts)
48. So it appears to be more generational then
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:45 AM
May 2022

From what I've witnessed, that would make sense.

 

vercetti2021

(10,481 posts)
8. I see the Chappelle apologists have arrived to defend him
Mon May 23, 2022, 09:41 AM
May 2022

Try being me a transwoman in the current day. This fuck head doesn't make funny remarks about us. He literally bitches and complains about us. He isn't helping our community and hasn't for a while.

obamanut2012

(29,357 posts)
11. Including defending transphobia
Mon May 23, 2022, 09:46 AM
May 2022

wtf has this place become?

 

vercetti2021

(10,481 posts)
13. I don't know
Mon May 23, 2022, 09:48 AM
May 2022

But I'm ready to make an exit at this point. I really thought this place was safe for people like myself and Ingrid. But it isn't. People are defending transphobic behavior. I'm tired of it. I'd rather have my account removed than continue to put up with the bullshit here.

obamanut2012

(29,357 posts)
56. It is even worse now than it was years ago
Mon May 23, 2022, 11:40 AM
May 2022

Very few would have defended Chapelle or Rowling here publicly ten years+ ago. They might have thought it, but most wouldn't say that part out loud. Now? Hateful.

Tree-Hugger

(3,379 posts)
23. It's common
Mon May 23, 2022, 09:57 AM
May 2022

I have noticed transphobia often goes unchecked and is defended.

 

vercetti2021

(10,481 posts)
31. Me and another have noticed it for a while
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:09 AM
May 2022

We've grown extremely tired of it. We have no defenders outside a few and usually get the most hidden. We both talked about quitting DU over it. Or least going out getting banned in blaze of glory defending ourselves

obamanut2012

(29,357 posts)
55. Admins will do nothing to enforce it
Mon May 23, 2022, 11:39 AM
May 2022

And, I keep getting hidden posts over calling out the transphobes here, and then get 24-hour alert bans because juries go ZERO for hiding this filth.

Rob H.

(5,847 posts)
69. There are a disturbingly high number of TERFs here
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:14 PM
May 2022

I can't imagine how that must make our trans brothers and sisters feel, but I try my best to be an ally.

Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #11)

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
21. He is certainly mastering staying in the news cycle over some hurt feelings.
Mon May 23, 2022, 09:55 AM
May 2022

Gottta give him that.

Iggo

(49,921 posts)
36. That's his shtick now.
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:15 AM
May 2022

He found something that pisses off the right people and he’s not going to stop. You can feed into it or you can kick him to the curb. I choose the latter. (In fact, I think I’ll add “Chapelle” to my trashed word list. I’m done talking about him here.)

 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
43. Yes, yes.
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:35 AM
May 2022

A true progressive doesn’t care that Chappelle was attacked by a person with a weapon at a prior event; after all he might have said something offensive. No no no, a true progressive only cares that his joke was “the person that attacked me was carrying a gun that identified as a knife”; since he was attacked by a person with a fake gun that was a knife.

Oh no!!! The world shall end!!! How dare he!

His joke was violence, the attacking him over his jokes was understandable!

PatSeg

(53,206 posts)
49. Thanks for putting it in context
Mon May 23, 2022, 10:49 AM
May 2022

I don't follow Dave Chappelle and didn't know about the gun-like knife attack. This entire thread is looking like a waste of time.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
72. I am all for offending people unless I am offended ...um OK
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:20 PM
May 2022

I really don't understand this mindset.

Don't support the things you don't like. Trying to ban it gives it more attention.

Response to LiberatedUSA (Reply #43)

Johnny2X2X

(24,187 posts)
52. Chappelle is an asshole
Mon May 23, 2022, 11:26 AM
May 2022

But he can say whatever he wants, people are free to ignore him or speak out against him in return.

More free speech is the answer.

AngryOldDem

(14,180 posts)
57. I really don't understand Chappelle's popularity.
Mon May 23, 2022, 11:42 AM
May 2022

It’s crystal clear how he feels about the trans community.

(He’s also been a prick to his neighbors in Yellow Springs, too.)

Fuck him.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
62. I don't care for him, but a friend of mine has been to his shows.
Mon May 23, 2022, 11:55 AM
May 2022

She said she is usually one of the few white people in attendance.

He's mostly hugely popular with PoC.

USALiberal

(10,877 posts)
63. He's annoying as hell to me, but I understand people like him
Mon May 23, 2022, 11:56 AM
May 2022

Torchlight

(6,792 posts)
73. ok lol nt
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:22 PM
May 2022

madville

(7,847 posts)
71. His popularity makes some sense
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:19 PM
May 2022

Last numbers I saw, around 80% of transgender violence was among people of color.

Chappelle’s act is also usually racist against Asian and White people, which his audiences seem to love.

I personally don’t watch him or care for his content.

catsudon

(904 posts)
106. im an asian
Mon May 23, 2022, 03:37 PM
May 2022

and i love all his asian jokes, like the one about the covid one.

Sympthsical

(10,960 posts)
74. Popularly, he coasts on old material. Within comedy, he's a comic's comic
Mon May 23, 2022, 12:25 PM
May 2022

If you're a fan of stand-up, how he constructs his jokes is brilliant. How he structures his stories, circles around, and flips the script on where you think he's going with it. There is a lot of artistry in how he goes about it.

For people who just go to see a comedian for a laugh, people have a lot of affection for him from the days of his show.

For me, his newer material isn't as funny while simultaneously genius in its construction. I'm not sure if I find him hilarious as much as I just admire how he works his craft.

That said, the Jussie Smollett shit was golden.

As for his current controversy. I just don't think I care. And with this incident, the "real story" is that he said he was attacked with a knife identifying as a gun and not the fact he was attacked with a knife for his jokes?

Ok. I guess that's where we are now. The important bit is the words, not the violence.

Sure.

Response to Floyd R. Turbo (Original post)

Response to Floyd R. Turbo (Original post)

leftyladyfrommo

(20,000 posts)
99. Personally I think we should all just get stoned
Mon May 23, 2022, 03:18 PM
May 2022

abd rhen just really listen to what the other person is saying.

The source for a lot of Stand Up comes from a lot of pain. And because of that they sometimes cut too close for comfort. It can be really disturbing. Or it can be hysterically funny.

Response to Floyd R. Turbo (Original post)

Floyd R. Turbo

(32,896 posts)
102. Looks like you did!
Mon May 23, 2022, 03:28 PM
May 2022

leftyladyfrommo

(20,000 posts)
103. I didn't even know I could do that. nt
Mon May 23, 2022, 03:29 PM
May 2022

Floyd R. Turbo

(32,896 posts)
105. 🤗
Mon May 23, 2022, 03:33 PM
May 2022
 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
104. It's a comedians job to get a response from people.
Mon May 23, 2022, 03:31 PM
May 2022

Nobody ever said that response had to be positive. If you are telling people to get over themselves because they didn’t care for the jokes then you are the one that is causing the problem.

leftyladyfrommo

(20,000 posts)
107. That's valid. But my point was more that Stand Up
Mon May 23, 2022, 03:38 PM
May 2022

won't survive if they have to monitor everything they say.

I love Stand Up and there are people I just don't like or that I find offensive but I don't want them to shut up. I just want to listen to it.

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
118. Oh. Good.
Mon May 23, 2022, 04:07 PM
May 2022

One of the chief transphobes would like to say something...

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
119. Bigotry has an addictive quality.
Mon May 23, 2022, 04:20 PM
May 2022

Once you've made up your mind to punch down at a weaker social group, the intoxication of power becomes too heady to resist.

Think about the rush among some DUers to come up with increasingly harsh and aggressive denigrations of Republicans. They're ReThuglicans, they're Republikkkons, they're ReThuglinazis. They don't say Trump anymore, it's "45" or it's "TFG" or it's "Drumppf". It feels good to trash the name of someone you don't like. Only conservative Republicans will survive the insults of us a few snarky liberal posters on DU. We're punching up at the plutocrats that're plundering our society. Chappelle is pursuing a grudge against an already oppressed and marginalized minority group. I'm sure all the applause feels good to a comedian.

Response to Floyd R. Turbo (Original post)

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
122. AND THERE IT IS!
Mon May 23, 2022, 04:52 PM
May 2022

We knew the "LGBTQ'S COST US ELECTIONS!!!!!11`1`~" crowd would chime in!

BannonsLiver

(20,570 posts)
123. And there is is!
Mon May 23, 2022, 04:54 PM
May 2022

A bad faith argument!

Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #123)

obamanut2012

(29,357 posts)
131. I was shocked it took so long
Mon May 23, 2022, 05:11 PM
May 2022

Remember when marriage equality was announced by Scotus? THE GAYS WILL RUIN US.

And rhe Lawrence decision? Same.

Same when DADT was pulled.

EarlG

(23,622 posts)
132. Dear people who still haven't gotten it yet
Mon May 23, 2022, 05:27 PM
May 2022

It's one thing to say that Dave Chapelle has the right to say what he says about trans people. Of course he does. In America, all bigoted assholes have the right to say things that let everyone know they're a bigoted asshole.

But think carefully about how you approach this topic if you don't want to be seen to be defending a bigot. We have a rule which states:

Members are expected to respect diversity and demonstrate an appropriate level of sensitivity when discussing related topics. Racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, or other forms of bigoted intolerance are not permitted.

If you suggest that your fellow DU members who rightly find Chappelle's bigotry to be hateful and harmful to the trans community are being "oversensitive" or "triggered," then you are not demonstrating an appropriate level of sensitivity.

And to be clear, the louder you protest that Chappelle's bigotry should be waved off because he's just a comedian, the more I'm going to assume that you don't just agree with his right to say harmful shit about trans people, but you actually agree with what he's saying.

Once again, please educate yourselves:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215969127
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