If you think about it, we "libtards" have no place to turn . . . . .

[Stinky The Clown]

. . . . . even when we win court judgments. Everything is appealable. And up the chain it goes. To the Supremes. Where liberal decisions go to die.

I wish I was wrong.

No, this is not a post against Democrats. It is a fact, it seems to me. Rooted in insidious partisanship at the lowest levels many decades ago. The conservatives played the long game very well.

And here we are.

Think about it. The right wing fucks with the next election in a few states they control. Let's say they literally void some Democratic votes for some completely bullshit reason. Our side files suit. We win. They appeal. We win again. They appeal. And so on and so forth. Up to the Supremes.

Then what?

Look at every fascist government. The courts are owned.

Just like our courts.

Where do we turn then?




The fat lady has yet to exercise her pipes, but I can hear her in the Green Room. Warming up.

We have this cycle and maybe we can last to '24. Keep thinking the good thoughts.

But man oh man.



It is SCARY out there.

[BlueTsunami2018]

1. Yep, they played to win.

We played by the “rules”.

And look where we are. Two cycles from being Hungary or Russia.

[Tumbulu]

7. I still feel furious about the purists who fell for the propaganda!

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our only real hope are those old fashioned republicans joining us. Which riles up the purists even more.

The only hope is getting a strong enough democratic presence in the Senate and the house to make the changes necessary.

And doing something serious about the am radio hate machine that continues to poison the minds of the rural populations who hold all the power.

Urban people continue and continue to ignore this most obvious source of their power.

[KPN]

21. Purists? Turns out a lot of those ringing alarm bells

way back when were actually realists. Seems their underlying fears are coming to fruition, no?

I get what you are saying, but some of those folks talked a lot about long term consequences.

[Tumbulu]

24. Oops, I'm on pain meds and made a mistake! I edited my post

I am trying to say that I knew a lot of purists who would not vote for Hilary and I kept telling them and telling them to knock it off.

I have never forgiven them, to be honest.

I’m a bit out of it due to the pain meds, so I am sorry!

[LiberalLovinLug]

32. Its not that simple.

a greater percent of delegates in Hillary's camp refused to vote for Obama, than delegates in Sander's camp refused to vote for Hillary.

https://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-blames-bernie-sanders-but-not-reason-lost-2016-2020-1

That year, a YouGov survey showed 24% of respondents who identified as Clinton primary supporters ended up voting for Republican nominee John McCain that November. In 2016, the highest estimates showed 12% of Sanders primary supporters voting for Trump.


But I also think the butt hurt voters effect is highly exaggerated.


So who are the "purists"? I always laugh at this because it could have two different interpretations. Are you an ideologist purist? ie.. hard progressive, who insists we at least try to move forward on things like M4A?
or are you a traditional party purist? Don't rock the boat, choose the status quo, and what the corporate sponsors approve of, incumbents over newer younger progressive candidates with ideas that would make Tucker's eyebrows furrow?

It seems like its a battle between those who think if we build the mountain (enact more progressive policies)...they will come...around. Once they see how it benefits them. And attract new voters to replace any leaving.

And those that are afraid of building any kind of new hill even, for fear of scaring away more moderate conservative leaning R and I voters.

I'm not a Bernie or Bust, but as a progressive, I lean towards the former, and was surprisingly happy with Biden's platform. Makes me sad and angry that two Democrats, in name only, can damage his legacy like that, and more importantly, prevented him from moving beyond that to more progressive proposals. I honestly think that if he could have pushed through a large BBB bill, the benefits would have offset a lot of the negatives surrounding his performance numbers.

[Tumbulu]

34. The younger women that I know who refused to vote for Hillary

were not voting at all. And they were encouraging everyone else to not vote at all.

They continually blame Democrats for the stranglehold the republicans have put on us.

Even you are blaming Sinema and Manchin when the real problem is all the republicans who are so united in their desire to sink anything that could be seen as a success for Democrats.

If we had a larger majority those Senators could be ignored. But we don’t. And why don’t we?

Because the entire middle of the country and many of the other regions have been so convinced for generations now that the government cannot be trusted. That only private groups such as NGO’s church organizations and the like should be there to offer support in crisis. And they want government limited to gone. Except to force birth on everyone.

We cannot get anything done, and it is not the fault of Democrats, but solely the fault of republicans. But we succumb to fighting among ourselves instead of being united in getting red states to elect some blue Senators. It is possible, but those blue Senators in Red States walk a very delicate rope. We are near the end of our Democracy and it happened because these young women that I know and their friends all talked just enough people into not voting at all. Because they “ COULD NOT VOTE FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT!”. As an older person I just cannot wrap my head around how easily manipulated people actually are.

[betsuni]

38. +1

[area51]

8. +1 n/t

[Firestorm49]

15. Maybe it's about time to do what Republicans would do.

Add liberals to the Supreme Court and do it NOW! You know damn well that given the same situation, the GOP would do it without losing a breath. They’ve already shown how devious they were with Barrett and Kavanaugh.

We are running out of time!

[CrackityJones75]

39. What is the plan to do that?

[walkingman]

2. Yes, it's kind of sad when you consider

that Gore actually won against Bush who appointed Alito, Obama was denied appointing a Supreme by the GOP, and Trump who appointed 3 Supremes simply because (IMO) the conflict within the Democratic Party between Hillary, Bernie, and the DNC so a lot of Progressives did not vote.

The real lesson is that elections have consequences and they can affect us for decades.

[SergeStorms]

18. So you believe Democrats did this to themselves?

OK. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

I believe the cause lies elsewhere, but that's only my opinion as well. I think the blame should be divided between Anthony Weiner, James Comey, Vladimir Putin, and the "liberal media". The percentages for each vary by whoever is assigning blame.

I'd give Comey the lion's share for announcing - eleven days before the election - that the investigation into Hillary's email server was reopened (after Anthony Weiner's computer was discovered to have thousands of emails on it, all duplicates, as it turned out) then the "liberal media" for making such a monstrous deal out of it. Then of course the "there's nothing new in these emails" announcement two days before the election that received next to NO coverage by the "liberal media". But of course the damage was already done. Then of course the Russian ratfucking on Facebook, and all totalled I believe Hillary's support took about a 5% hit right before the election. That would have been more than enough (2% would have been more than enough) to defeat Trump.

That's my take on it anyway. Why do you think it was we Democrats who were at fault?

[walkingman]

28. I don't disagree with your assessment, but I base my opinion on the fact that

as a Bernie supporter I heard from a lot of younger Bernie supporters that thought they were screwed by the DNC and either didn't vote or even voted for Trump?? Doesn't make sense and I hope the lesson has been learned. Trump's margin of victory in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania was so small that any of your assumptions and the Bernie voters could/would have made the difference.

i do think that Comey is a scumbag for his actions and it points to the ongoing fact that we needed a more informed voter base - regardless of who you support we have a binary choice in America...period. Understand that and vote accordingly. When I hear my nephew bitching about the Dems I always tell him that the real enemy of him and the progressive movement is the GOP. They do not support ANY of your issues....WAKE UP!

Disclaimer - I was a Bernie supporter but realize that Hillary was a excellent candidate and the alternative was and continues to be a total disaster.

[SergeStorms]

31. Sounds reasonable.

By themselves I'm not sure the disgruntled Bernie supporters could have made the difference, but all elements combined certainly did.

And the rest, as they say, is history. A history that may, one day, prove to be the demise of our fragile exercise in democracy.

[leftyladyfrommo]

3. When you can't count on the legal ststem you learn

to go around the law. People just go on doing they just learn to be quiet about it.

[bucolic_frolic]

17. +1

It's a good strategy unless they come for your money or your property. Then you're in a Nazi state.

[dawg]

4. Much of the Supreme Court's power is based on customs and norms.

If a critical mass of people within the legal profession were to lose all respect for the Court, it would lose much of its legitimacy and power.

We are almost there.

[Raven]

5. Only hope is GOTV in HUGE numbers.

[newdayneeded]

6. But see that's another problem

To no fault of Biden, gas, food, and other high prices will hurt the election turnout.

The billionaires know how to kill a presidency:

- Artificially raise gas prises

- Screw with the stock market to make it tank

- Buy off the media so it covers every mistaken word or burp by Biden

- Pay for an overwhelmingly huge hate radio network to promote falsehoods, and amplify any democratic weakness.

- Create a supply chain shortage out of know where to further jack prices up.

[Raven]

10. Then we need to call them out and run against them.

[Wednesdays]

16. I was about to say ... consider the alternative

So, we throw up our hands and say, "We surrender!" Then what?

[Raven]

30. Exactly!

[Patterson]

33. There's an idiot on Reddit who's doing exactly that.

[Initech]

9. It's like gambling - the house always wins!

[tiredtoo]

11. Doing everything I can to avoid

leaving this country to my children in such dire straits.

[KPN]

19. Sad thing is our children are blaming boomers. For me,

that’s us. Of course they don’t blame my wife and directly, but my cohort group yes. It hurts to know “we” let them down and created the future they face.

[Cheezoholic]

12. Making a new bumper sticker

4 More Seats

[Walleye]

13. This explains the constant smug expression on McConnell turtle face

[BaronChocula]

14. I'm glad MLK, Dorothy Height et al...

Weren't plagued with the same pessimism. Overcoming isn't just about identifying obstacles. It's also about strategy on removing them them.

[Stinky The Clown]

35. Hey Baron, what's the difference between pessimism and facts?

Defend your point.





This is a call to arms, not to surrender. You play the hand you hold, not the hand you wish you held.

Have a swell night.

[Efilroft Sul]

22. And when we eventually get sick and tired of it all and raise hell...

…you can bet your bottom dollar that the Republican state legislatures will have our protest already codified as an insurrection. And along with that, I guarandamntee you that the Republicans will round us all up and throw away the key, if they don't outright have us executed for treason. Because nothing will stop them from doing it.

[Cherokee100]

23. Public funding

We have to have public funded elections. No private 'donations/bribes' allowed. Paper ballots, would be the icing on the cake.

[Escurumbele]

25. You are 100% correct and that is why the number of judges in the SC must be upped to 13 NOW!

Democrats need to become more aggressive and stop playing the reactive game.

[milestogo]

26. Revolution.

[Stinky The Clown]

36. No

[Fiendish Thingy]

27. Where do we turn then? Two options- the streets or the border. Nt

[Stinky The Clown]

37. The streets. Start by ignoring the Marquis of Queensbury and the Rules of Decorum

Street fight

Win at all costs

Fuck genteel

Fuck politeness.

We are at the brink.

And look at this thread.

There should be no room for namely pambyism.

Wanna win? Ball kicking should not be off limits. Worried? Wear a steel cup.

[bucolic_frolic]

29. Well, not no place

Precedent no longer matters. So Marbury v. Madison is in doubt too. If I were Democrats, I would focus there. It's been a minority opinion for 200 years, but it was quite controversial at the time and those minority voices over the centuries consider it wrongly decided. So if the Court is against us, sweep it aside as irrelevant.

[DemocraticPatriot]

40. "The ballot or the bullet"

If they succeed in taking away our ballot... then that's where we'll be.

Personally, my psyche will be in serious danger of forcing my body to commit some illegal acts...

[betsuni]

41. Then people deal with it, as they always have.