Henry Kissinger: Ukraine must give Russia territory

[LiberalArkie]

Mon, May 23, 2022, 12:48 PM
Veteran US statesman Henry Kissinger has urged the West to stop trying to inflict a crushing defeat on Russian forces in Ukraine, warning that it would have disastrous consequences for the long term stability of Europe.

The former US secretary of state and architect of the Cold War rapprochement between the US and China told a gathering in Davos that it would be fatal for the West to get swept up in the mood of the moment and forget the proper place of Russia in the European balance of power.

Dr Kissinger said the war must not be allowed to drag on for much longer, and came close to calling on the West to bully Ukraine into accepting negotiations on terms that fall very far short of its current war aims.

“Negotiations need to begin in the next two months before it creates upheavals and tensions that will not be easily overcome. Ideally, the dividing line should be a return to the status quo ante. Pursuing the war beyond that point would not be about the freedom of Ukraine, but a new war against Russia itself,” he said.

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/henry-kissinger-warns-against-defeat-174812366.html

[dchill]

1. I do not agree with Herr Dr. Kissinger.

[Xolodno]

75. He's Jewish.

And his unit was one of the first of western forces to find the Nazi death camps. And he was a major anti-communist, despite the Soviet Union finding the first Jewish death camps.

[dchill]

76. He is a German-born PhD.

I don't do religion, and I don't care for war criminals. And I still disagree with "Herr Doctor" Kissinger. Don't you?

[Xolodno]

79. I absolutely disagree with him.

But I will not disrespect him, unlike many others on this thread.

[lastlib]

87. I'll do it for you. East Timor. Blood-lusting War Criminal. There, fixed. eom

[Bettie]

2. "Statesman"?

Not really a fitting title.

And what a shocker...he's all in for Putin.

[lastlib]

88. (German word for "war criminal"......)

East Timor, 1975. 'Nuff said. Fuck'im.

[PortTack]

3. Sure...give pootie what he wants and if a few years he'll be back for more, and with a better army

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He’s nuts…under what rationale?? Seriously

[LiberalArkie]

4. Why won't he just die. What is keeping him alive?

[XanaDUer2]

9. Probably our tax money

I'm sure he has the best healthcare money can provide.

[Celerity]

35. the POS war criminal turns 100 years old in exactly one year and 3 days

[ironflange]

73. The good die young

[sarcasmo]

47. Evil Lives.

https://www.history.com/news/henry-kissinger-vietnam-war-legacy

[Wounded Bear]

5. He's still alive? He's hardly relevant...

Status quo ante is OK I guess, if you set 2014 as the line, not Feb 2022. I certainly don't blame Ukraine for wanting that.

His "realpolitik" sounds a bit like appeasement.

[Lovie777]

6. Expert RWer media over and over agree with this . .....

Something is coming down the road, and I think its Ukraine's victory.

[Lunabell]

7. Bullshit!

How would he like Israel ceding land to create Palestine?

[SoonerPride]

8. How 'bout no?

[Captain Zero]

34. How about: Fuck. Kissinger.

I don't see a problem with Ukraine taking back what Russia took from them in 2014, 2008.

Russia started this. Fuck. Russia.
Now Kissinger wants Ukraine to take it easy on them?

Henry needs to take an extra pudding back to his room at the nursing home.

[SoonerPride]

36. +1,000,000

Amen

[sop]

10. I'm sure 98-year-old Henry's realpolitik solution was warmly received at Davos.

The Masters of the Universe crowd meeting at Davos only cares about the uninterrupted flow of profit.

[aocommunalpunch]

11. Tell that to Zelenskyy's face, coward. n/t

[snowybirdie]

12. And he was

so right on Vietnam, wasn't he?

[demtenjeep]

13. He's still alive?

Must be senile

[Sanity Claws]

14. Why isn't he dead already?

That sounds harsh but I feel no need to hear from a war criminal.

[Takket]

15. How do I say this nicely...

Drop dead Henry.

[The Revolution]

16. "architect of the Cold War rapprochement...

...between the US and China"

How did that work out? I'm sick of Nixon and Kissinger being praised for this like it was some great achievement. This has done nothing to liberalize China. In fact, China continues to export its authoritarianism.

Movies made in the US are modified to fit the demands of the Chinese regime. An American gaming company punished American players for criticizing the Chinese government. Chinese influence spreads through the developing world. America has lost massive amounts of manufacturing capability as companies moved operations to China.

So Kissinger can STFU. If Russia didn't want to suffer a humiliating defeat in Ukraine, they shouldn't have started a war in Ukraine.

[Swede]

17. Anthony Bourdain had a good take on Henry.

Link to tweet

?s=20&t=xxfmOGjk-3uKakm2_3aAqQ

[2naSalit]

26. +1

[LoisB]

28. Kudos to Anthony Bourdain. I had not seen this before, Swede, thanks for posting. Reaffirms my

opinion of Henry Kissinger.

[dalton99a]

32. +1

[lastlib]

89. Pile East Timor 1975 on top of that, and you have a STAGGERING body-count.

[dalton99a]

90. +1. "Keep your mouth shut on this subject"

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76ve12/d136

Minutes of the Secretary of State’s Staff Meeting, Washington, October 8, 1975.

...

MR. HABIB: It looks like the Indonesians have begun the attack on Timor — Portuguese Timor. It would seem to me clear that the Indonesian troops crossing the border would attack — the pro-Indonesian forces in the area — and have not done very well since the beginning of this thing. And this is quite something. There’s an earlier case where the Indonesians are being forced to move to hold on to what they obviously are going to hold on to — that is, they are not going to let Timor become independent, sitting on the end of the Indian Archipelago.

I think what we are doing is like Jack — keeping our mouth shut about the thing.

SECRETARY KISSINGER: Is that conceivable?

MR. HABIB: We’ve been doing it, so I think it’s quite conceivable.

SECRETARY KISSINGER: No moral —

MR. HABIB: There’s not that much interest. I think they’ll probably be —

SECRETARY KISSINGER: There are no moral lessons to be learned from this?

MR. HABIB: Yes. The moral lesson is that we have the guns to go in. (Laughter.)

We’re getting a few requests for validations of passports to go to South Viet-Nam. I just wanted to check with you. These are coming fast —

SECRETARY KISSINGER: I’m assuming you’re going to really keep your mouth shut on this subject.

MR. HABIB: On what?

SECRETARY KISSINGER: On this subject, on Indonesia.

Also, at the UN, Bill, will you make sure that the U.S. Mission doesn’t make a statement on how the members of the 77 —

MR. HABIB: They might support it. (Laughter.)

MR. BUFFUM: Aren’t they going to call us “murderers”? (Laughter.)

[crickets]

40. 1000 time this. Anthony Bourdain nailed it. nt

[dchill]

77. Very good quote.

[Judi Lynn]

83. Thank you. I had no idea the writer was that perceptive, tuned in, focused.

I totally underestimated him. Assumed he was a superficial person. So glad to learn I was entirely wrong.

Thanks, Swede.

[Tommy Carcetti]

18. Ukraine to Kissinger: I honestly swear I thought you were dead already.

I think they ought to rename the Mandela Effect the Kissinger Effect.

[Javaman]

19. war criminal says what? nt

[JohnSJ]

20. What Kissinger either fails to understand or doesn't care, it is ALL of Ukraine that Putin wants.

This isn’t Viet Nam Kissinger, which was wrong from the the start, nor is it your policy of over-throwing Democratically elected governments like Chile.

Ukraine was attacked by Putin to take over Ukraine

Get lost Kissinger. Your time has come and gone

[LiberalArkie]

52. And Putin then wants to go to Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary, Germany

[JohnSJ]

55. Exactly, this would be just the start

[Goodheart]

21. Yeah, fuck that.

[onethatcares]

22. I thought the Night of the Living Dead was a movie

where do they pull these zombies from?

[Beastly Boy]

23. Curiously, Kissinger's sentiment closely echoes some of the pre-war narrative pushed by the far left

Example, while extreme, is by no means unique: https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/the-west-not-russia-is-responsible-for-the-war-danger-in-ukraine/

The aim of grabbing Ukraine is connected to overall NATO and EU expansion eastward which began first with grabbing the Czech Republic and Poland. Both of these countries were formerly part of the Soviet-led Warsaw Pact military alliance, which was formed to defend against NATO during the Cold War.

In the case of Ukraine, as is most often the case with such NATO militarism, the operation is disguised as one intended to “spread democracy.” So in the case of Ukraine, the idea spread far and wide in the Western corporate media and from the governments involved over the last few years has been that Ukraine was not being separated from Russia by a fascist coup backed by the West but rather by an “Orange Revolution” in which democracy was the aim.

In retrospect, it is mind-boggling how closely this approaches Russia's official propaganda. The article is worth the read in its entirety.

[Jirel]

33. Nothing curious about this.

Russia’s propaganda machine has been adopting idiots from the far right and the far left, to showcase on RT and through various botnets. The right and the left sides of their operations have been run a little differently, to appeal to the various targets. Nazis like short words, big pictures, and mean content. The deluded fringe of the far left like things that sound erudite and facially reasonable, even though 5 minutes of analysis would show that it’s garbage. Why do you think RT hired Ed Schultz, and has been showcasing relics like Ralph Nader?

[Beastly Boy]

39. The connection between the far left and Russian propaganda is not what made me curious.

The far left has been used by various other players as well, Iran and Cuba included.

What makes me curious is how close Kissinger's rationalizations come to those of the far left.

[Autumn]

57. Far left? Who on the far left is his friend? "I am proud to say Henry Kissinger is not my friend."

Bernie Sanders.

[Beastly Boy]

58. I didn't suggest Kissinger has any friends on the far left.

I doubt he has any friends period. What I found curious was the parallels in the rationalization of their respective views offered by the far left publication I cited as an example and that of Kissinger.

[Autumn]

59. Kissinger has very good political friends, leading politicians. None of them are on the Left.

[Beastly Boy]

61. Ok. Good to know.

[Autumn]

68. The sensible moderates always defend him strenuously. I found it very confusing when you tied the

Left to him.

[Beastly Boy]

74. I didn't tie the left to Kissinger.

Nor did I tie the extreme left to him. I am reasonably certain there is no collusion between the two.
I merely tied both the extreme left and Kissinger to advocating, in fairly similar terms, in favor of Russia's territorial ambitions in its aggression against Ukraine.

And as far as I am aware, no sensible moderate shares this view with Kissinger, or the extreme left.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

80. I remember DU centrists supporting Kissinger when a former Secretary of State listed him...

… as her advisor/mentor and vacationed with him on Martha’s Vineyard.

Strange times…

[Autumn]

85. I remember that well.

[shrike3]

82. Oh, yes. I know some lefties who have made those statements, almost word for word.

[Ritabert]

24. Would this be the war criminal who

...has to check which country he can go to so he won't be arrested? His opinion is worthless.

[EX500rider]

60. What country exactly has issued a arrest warrant for him?

I am guessing none.

[Ritabert]

92. Judges in several countries looked into arresting him

https://www.hrw.org/legacy/community/bookreviews/hitchens.htm

[EX500rider]

93. If no arrest warrant has been issued he can travel anywhere safely nt

[spanone]

25. henry has to be at least 200 years old and so are his ideas.

[empedocles]

37. Only 98 years old

[Celerity]

69. 99 in 2 days now, Born: May 27, 1923 Furth, Germany

[tavernier]

27. Nope. Let NATO split up Russia and give it away

in pieces to other countries. Let them know for a change how it feels to be occupied.

And Henry? FO&D

[Ritabert]

29. Amen!

[Jirel]

30. Demented fool gives stupid advice.

Kissinger’s skill and relevance disappeared decades ago. Even then, he was a rethuglican imperialist. At age 99, out of politics since well into the last century, his opinions count for less than the paper they’re written on.

But sure, since nobody is listening to Useful Russian Tool Nader’s exact same arguments online, time for Russia’s propaganda machine to trot out another relic yearning for one more 15-minutes-of-relevance.

[ananda]

31. Fuck off Mr Kisswarass

..

[dawg]

38. Would a small land concession by Ukraine secure peace for our time?

Too bad we can't dig up Mr. Chamberlain and ask him what he thinks.

[Caliman73]

45. Huge difference between Chamberlain and Kissinger. Huge.

Chamberlain while wrong, was a man of good faith. He was popular in England and his strategy now, disparagingly called "appeasement" was actually what people wanted. No one wanted another "Great War". We know that we cannot "appease" aggressors now, but Chamberlain thought he was doing what he had to in order to avoid another world war.

Kissinger is a rabid imperialist, who has never been correct about anything. He favored covert and coercive strategies, using allies then casting them away like garbage; and all for the benefit of the wealthy.

The reality is that we know Putin wants to be remembered in the same vein as "Peter the Great" and "Catherine the Great". He wants nothing less than to re-establish the Russian Empire. We cannot allow that.

[Mariana]

91. Not only was it what the people wanted at the time

but the UK wasn't in any position to take on Germany militarily in 1938. He bought his country a year to prepare for entering the war, and prepare they did.

[Gore1FL]

41. Perhaps Russia should be prepared to give up land.

They seem to be the ones losing at the moment.

[Solly Mack]

42. The Ukrainians have no desire to be anyone's pawns.

I believe they have proven that already.

Having said that...

It's well beyond time for America to start treating war criminals as war criminals.

[Iggo]

43. Fucking die already, Henry.

Jesus…

[anamnua]

44. Echoes of Chamberlain in1938

‘A far off country of which we know nothing’

[DFW]

51. He was 15 when Chamberlain gave Hitler the Sudetenland

I guess he thought it was a marvelous idea at the time..............

[sarcasmo]

46. Cambodia Killer needs to shut his cakehole.

[Kid Berwyn]

48. For Oil.

Do what’s best for the rich and sometimes they’ll remember to bestow a reward. One hopes.

[totodeinhere]

49. I tend to ignore the opinions of war criminals. n/t

[Cuthbert Allgood]

53. Past Democratic Presidential nominees disagree with you.

[Autumn]

56. "I am proud to say Henry Kissinger is not my friend."

Bernie Sanders.

[progressoid]

70. Yeah...who said?

"Well, Henry's the expert on theory and doctrine."

[CloudWatcher]

50. When did he get out of jail?

Oh yeah. Rule of law my ass.

Some people make me wish I believed in hell.

[greenjar_01]

54. Check his bank account

Putinite trashbag.

[Trueblue1968]

62. henry .... STFU you old POS.

[senseandsensibility]

63. He's still alive?

Useless fossil.

[Hobo]

64. That fuck is still alive?

I thought he was in the ninth circle of hell a long time ago with his buddy Dick Nixon.


Hobo

[Raine]

65. FUCK OFF Asshole! nt

[pecosbob]

66. Newsflash Henry...the point is rapidly approaching when this SHOULD become a war against Russia

[Emile]

67. Are you shitting me, that SOB is still alive?

[progressoid]

71. Well, he does have experience invading other countries.

Fucking war criminal.

[whistler162]

72. Mr. Kissinger since you are a Army

veteran I am sure Russia could use a foreign volunteer to help with their invasion.

[niyad]

78. FUCK YOU, henry.

[H2O Man]

81. War criminal

[denbot]

84. Vietnam cough cough

Fuck off.

[Mysterian]

86. Rotten, evil piece of shit says what?

I could not care less what pond scum Kissinger says.