SHOW THE FUCKING FOOTAGE OF THE MURDERED!!

[SoCalDavidS]

Let's see the fucking carnage. Let's see 19 Dead Children whose bodies are ripped to shreds.

WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE AFRAID OF?

FUCKING REALITY??

[Grasswire2]

1. plenty of support for that -- grieving, bitter, angry support on twitter.

Is that what it takes to shame gun-humping members of Congress into action?

Buzz their press conferences with photos of bodies, of gore, of tragedy.

Follow them everywhere.

[gopiscrap]

2. absolutely this is partly what ended the Vietnam War

[Grasswire2]

3. That's what Zelensky does. Don't hide the brutality.

Name the monsters.

[Irish_Dem]

10. We need Zelensky style courage, wisdom and leadership right now.

The Ukrainians united to save themselves and their children with courage and determination.

Can we do the same here? We are in a war zone too.

[Grasswire2]

21. okay, here's my new mantra -- WWZD?

What would Zelensky do?

The GOP are in some ways just like Putin's people.

Barbarians, to some degree. Cruel. Savage.

WWZD?

[Irish_Dem]

42. Zelensky Doctrine: Fight like hell against all odds and win.

Yes WWZD?

[SoCalDavidS]

4. It Will Never Happen

We're a country of Fucking Cowards.

Too Coward to enact ANY gun regulation.

Too Coward to go after people in the highest level of government trying to commit Insurrection.

We're Pathetic.

[Irish_Dem]

7. If seeing the pictures results in no action, we are a lost nation.

We have lost our way, lost our souls.
We have gone to the dark side.

[SoCalDavidS]

11. I Meant They Will Never Show Photos Or Videos

Not Enough Courage.

[Irish_Dem]

12. Of course the GOP doesn't want us to see pictures.

It could mean the end of gun violence.

They raise money and votes on this issue.

Courage is in short supply in this country.

[SoCalDavidS]

13. They Would Explain It Away With Some "False Flag" Bullshit Anyways

They are pros at disputing reality with insane bullshit.

[Irish_Dem]

5. It is the only thing that might work. Shock therapy.

Let America see first hand what we are doing to children.

Maybe American will wake the hell up.

[JohnSJ]

6. Wouldn't that be up to the families of the victims?

[Irish_Dem]

9. Ukrainians had courage to show raped and murdered 3 yr olds to the world.

Can't our families have as much courage. To save lives of other children?

[JohnSJ]

15. I just made a comment that the families should decide something like that. I make no judgement

whether they should or shouldn't, or imply that if they didn't, then they "wouldn't show courage"

I have no right to exert that type of value judgement on a parent who has just lost their child, and neither does anyone else

[Irish_Dem]

17. All Americans have the right to stop our children from being slaughtered.

We all need courage to do the right thing.

It is not just up to the parents of dead children.
It takes a village.

[AlexSFCA]

19. deeply grieving parents may not have courage, not the right time for them. Someone else must do it

this is about saving hundreds more children. These parents children are forever gone and nothing can ever be done to bring them back, the dead bodies were once children but are now the remains all of America must see.

Coroners, criminalists, police, etc. to leak the footage to and shock the nation.

[Midwestern Democrat]

39. I can't support this. Over 20 years ago, the three year old son of a business colleague of mine

drowned in a swimming pool and I don't think his wife has really fully recovered from the tragedy to this day. The ends never justify the means - we have to have enough humanity to respect the wishes of devastated parents.

[Brenda]

46. Apples and oranges

No comparing a drowning with a national crisis of gun violence with very specific victims and terrorists.

A compromise would be to ask the parents if they want the photos released to the public. I'm pretty sure some will say Fuck Yes.

[mitch96]

34. "families should decide " Like Emmitt Till's mom decided to have an open casket to see what

these people did... And pic's of the politicians who voted with the gun lobby.. A thought.
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[Act_of_Reparation]

44. Nope.

If we're talking about running pictures in news outlets, then there is a very strong first amendment case for it. It is news, it happened in public, it is in the public interest to know about these things. There are measures you can take to protect the privacy of victims and their families. It's no different from covering war, or any other kind of crime for that matter.

Using these images in political ads, I feel, is a different matter... not for legal reasons as much as it a matter of tact. Not everyone wants images of their dead child used in political ads, and that should be respected.

[Journeyman]

8. The only effective weapon we have against the 2nd Amendment is unfettered use of the 1st . . .

[Behind the Aegis]

14. Sadly, I agree.

I hate to put that out in the world, but, frankly, I feel for some it might drive the point home. The same thing happened when photos of the Holocaust were finally put out there, unedited. Of course, now some are reconsidering the horror of those deaths because, you know, Israel. Hopefully, this recent tragedy and the murdered being shown will have an effect that will be enough to turn some of those gun-humpers into someone a bit more platonic with their guns, and understand they can still have it, just not everyone should.

[JI7]

16. There are many images of dead kids out there . Do you think people that oppose immigration , foreign

aid etc will support it if they see those dead ? The pics are out there and i'm sure they have seen it but they just don't care .

[DemocraticPatriot]

18. Good point!

After all, they were not dead military personnel, over the release of whose photos the government could exercise some "control"....




On the other hand, the feeling of their survivors bear some consideration
(even if the other side had no such consideration, if they can somehow blame it on "the Democrats" ((see Faux News tomorrow)) )


I don't need to see mutilated children to understand what happened-- but maybe 'righty' does....

[halfulglas]

20. Even if they were open coffins like Emmett Till

The willfully ignorant would refuse to believe. The shock therapy would only work for those who haven't noticed the metal prosthetics of those who have come back from Afghanistan and know that is the result of weapons of war but this time used here on grade school kids.

[Skittles]

22. THAT would offend gun humpers

not the actual deaths, but the PICTURES

[elleng]

23. Reality sucks.

[progressoid]

24. Then the narative would shift to outrage at the media for showing the footage.

I get the sentiment, but I think that action would backfire. (pardon the phrase)

[ShazzieB]

25. GOP politicians, especially those holding and/or running for seats in Congress, need to see

pictures of this carnage. Force them to look, if that's what it takes. But I don't need to see them. I couldn't be more in favor of gun control than I already am.

I also don't want to see them. Sorry, I just don't. I don't want to see blood and gore and mangled bodies, period, because of the way I react, especially if I'm taken by surprise by something like that. It's a completely involuntary reaction, not quite a full blown panic attack, but akin to that. For that reason, I try to avoid looking at anything gory unless it's absolutely unavoidable. Even fake stuff is a problem; I have to be very selective about which movies I see, for example. I just can't deal with it.

So while I like the idea of certain people being forced to confront the evidence of what their shitty policies have wrought, I don't think everyone should have to. But I don't know of any fair way to make the former happen without the risk of inflicting collateral damage on people like myself, and I'd rather not risk that.

Maybe it's just me, I don't know. But that's how I feel about it.

[Kablooie]

26. Yes. Shock the shit out of voters.

Let them see what Republican votes do to children.
I agree.
That’s what’s been missing. Visceral reactions instead of intellectual reasoning.

.

[pnwmom]

27. The parents are the only ones to make a decision like that.

Many wouldn't want their child to be remembered that way.

[SYFROYH]

28. Anti-abortion protestors use graphic photos

I dont think they change minds.

Nevertheless i would support the parents of murdered children if they wanted to show the carnage.

[New Breed Leader]

29. Yep that's what Emmitt Till's mother did nt

[KY_EnviroGuy]

30. Republicans get all touchy-feely with the thought of facing consequences of their policies.

They don't have the guts to observe photos of the carnage resulting from their pro-gun policies UNLESS it's one of a POC shooting victim.

And, for example, we wouldn't dare ask them to look at on-scene photos of body parts all around after the Texas City BP refinery explosion in 2005! Might hurt BP's widdle feelings. Same with the 2013 West, Texas fertilizer plant disaster.

Remember Fallujah, Iraq during W's nasty war? The press mostly sugar coated that one! Remember all the drone bombing of weddings and family meetings during the Afghanistan conflict? Invisible collateral damage to right-wingers.

If only we could generate electricity from Republican hypocrisy. We would have plenty of excess to sell to Canada and Mexico.

Evidently, their outpouring of thoughts and prayers are just disguised confessionals to absolve them of blame.


KY rant done.....

[Emile]

31. The last thing I want to see is dead children, but you make

a good point! I think this country needs to be shocked enough to demand politicians to do something!

[AngryOldDem]

37. This is not a representative democracy anymore.

Unless, that is, you’re a lobby or special interest.

People have been demanding reasonable gun laws for years. But our lawmakers don’t listen to the average person. People write, call, show up for hearings, testify, show up when votes are taken on legislation, protest….and it more often than not results in jack squat. Our “duly elected representatives” just follow their marching orders, or just do what they want. The hell with the rest of us. All they want to do is keep their seats, never mind the fact that the basic, fundamental reason they are where they are is to represent their constituents back home. Have they been doing that for the past 20 or 30 years?

I’ve spent the last 10 years of my life watching this shit up close. I’m tired, I’m disgusted, and I’m
convinced that nothing is ever going to change until we reform the whole concept of how we govern from every angle. The first step is admitting there is a problem. Gun violence should be it. But good luck with that.

[Novara]

32. First of all, that decision should be made by the parents.

Second: do you REALLY think that would change their minds? They'd say it was staged. They would say it was completely manufactured. They will not be moved. And once they ignore piles of dead children, there is nothing left. I fear we are already there.

Have we learned nothing since 2016? Their minds will not be changed. They only dig in deeper when challenged.

[AngryOldDem]

33. Will that really work?

The answer always seems to be *more guns*. So it will be here.

This country is long past the point of rational and reasonable discussion involving firearms. The last chance for that was Sandy Hook.

Look where we are now.

[Paladin]

35. Will it work? Beats the shit out of me.

Not as if it's ever been tried.

I'd like to see it happen, with the permission of those brave parents who consent. We either get tough and resort to such measures, or we fall back on the power and efficiency of "thoughts and prayers," like the NRA and Republicans hope for.

[maxrandb]

36. Yes, and start calling Retrumplicans "BABY KILLERS"

Baby Killers should slip off the tongue of every Democratic politician as easily as "Democrat" slips off the tongues of Retrumplicans

[phylny]

38. I agree.

[onenote]

40. Why stop there. Show the murdered Black shoppers. Show every suicide victim.

Show the victims of drunk drivers. Show the naked, beaten and stabbed or strangled bodies of teenage girls who are raped.

Or maybe not.

Question: how do you feel when anti-abortion extremists display pictures of aborted fetuses? Does it change your position on abortion?

[SoCalDavidS]

41. Don't Worry, It Will Never Happen

And NOTHING will change either.

I'm so fucking done with this pathetic country.

[BlackSkimmer]

43. Perhaps their families would not like that.

I'd defer to them.

[Vinca]

45. I totally agree. All the mass shootings have been sterilized by chitchat, thoughts and prayers

and woulda-coulda-shoulda. Show the dead babies. Show their little, exploded heads and the circle of blood surrounding them. I've always figured if Sandy Hook didn't spur this country to do something, nothing would. Maybe reality would.