So the "good guys with guns" couldn't do shit for 40-60 mins?

[boston bean]

There goes that ridiculous decade old argument.

[malaise]

1. And Abbott was very sure he had a hand gun

but needed to check if he had a rifle - fucking LIAR!

[Arazi]

8. I don't understand what you mean here

[wnylib]

29. Abbott refused to admit that Ramos had

an AR15 and other high powered rifles. Tried to downplay how weaponized Ramos was.

[Arazi]

43. Ah thank you. I didn't watch the presser, just saw Beto's (brave) bit

[SergeStorms]

45. At 18 years old.

Even Florida makes people wait until they're 21 now. Not Texas, yahoo! Rootin'- tootin'- Texas!
Abbott's little ole' "we're better than anyone Texas!"

[wnylib]

51. Florida's age law is, I think, a result of

activist students and parents after the Marjory Stoneman Douglas shooting.

[SergeStorms]

52. Yep.

But those "kids" and their supporters got action.

Abbott would have them all arrested.

[dalton99a]

16. +1. The piece of shit avoided any mention of long gun/rifle/AR-15 on purpose

[njhoneybadger]

2. God dam bunch of chicken shit mutherfuckers.

[jimfields33]

4. True but the school was a no gun zone

https://www.tasb.org/services/legal-services/tasb-school-law-esource/business/documents/firearms_on_dist_property.pdf


Federal law forbids guns on school grounds except law enforcement. Texas mostly follows this in schools.

[Probatim]

21. What does that mean?

[70sEraVet]

28. ??

Don't understand. Are you saying that police were hesitant to carry their guns onto school property because of the 'no gun zone'?

[bucolic_frolic]

3. not only good guys, but hired good guys with guns

funded at the public trough

[SYFROYH]

5. Wouldn't

[Amishman]

20. yup, they could have done plenty more but were afraid

They chose their own safety over that of the children

[sop]

6. Abbott wants to arm the teachers, even the staff and janitors. Soon kids will be armed, too.

Republicans have totally lost their fucking minds.

[Emile]

7. That's what they do, they blame the victims for not being armed.

That's their stupidity!

[SergeStorms]

46. That's the official NRA directive.

If everyone has guns we'll all be much safer.

[dalton99a]

19. All administrative and janitorial staff must be at the ready

with plenty of firepower

[2naSalit]

9. To be fair...

I hear some did go inside, to get their own kids out.

[SergeStorms]

47. They went to windows....

at other parts of the school (where the shooter wasn't) to get children out of windows.

At that point the shooter had barricaded himself in the single classroom.

[Best_man23]

10. They did do one thing when they got there

They went in and rescued their own kids.

Link to tweet

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[70sEraVet]

38. I haven't seen anything about police getting their own kids out, anywhere else.

I'd be hesitant to take New York Post's word on this.

[SergeStorms]

48. After the shooter was dead.

The border patrol tactical team had shot and killed him at that point.

In other words, after it was all over the cops went in and got their own children.

The bravery!!

[Johnny2X2X]

11. "We kept him contained to 1 classroom"

Did a representative for the police really say that? My god, that man should be fired. Bragging about "keeping him contained to 1 classroom" that was filled with 4th graders is just about the most sick thing I've ever heard.

[harumph]

17. It's not a stupid statement if it's true.

IOW, the shooter could have entered other classrooms and killed those students as well.
I don't think many on this board realize how fast the gunman could have killed those kids.
He could have killed all the kids in the fourth grade classroom in under 1 minute. We don't know
the time table yet and still, many DUer's are blaming the police for not acting quickly enough.
How many minutes transpired until the kids were dead? Two minutes after he entered? 10 min?
We don't have the facts yet.

[Probatim]

23. Most reports are saying the shooter barricaded himself in a single room.

One poster this morning showed an article where a teacher used a key to let LEO in to the room.

[wnylib]

32. I read that, too. But it does not

match what one 9 year old survivor from inside the room said in an interview. That student said that, after his teacher locked the door, Ramos shot through the lock and came inside. How could Ramos lock a door with a shot up lock?

I will try to find that interview.

[wnylib]

41. P.S. Here is a link to that 4th grade survivor's account.

https://www.kens5.com/article/news/special-reports/uvalde-school-shooting/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-fourth-grader-student-account-elementary/273-51cc4e26-7a0a-49c0-ba7a-48cdd47fa235

Apparently the door that Ramos shot his way through was a connecting door between two classrooms.

So the door to the hallway could still have been locked when police arrived.

[Johnny2X2X]

26. And the police didn't know either

For all the police knew, there were 200 kids crammed in that classroom that were all alive. The police knew he was in a classroom with little kids and decided to wait for someone else to show up to handle it. There were in fact children who made it out of that classroom alive.

[ecstatic]

24. Unbelievable. nt

[LetMyPeopleVote]

12. This video show parents demanding law enforcement go into school

Link to tweet

[betsuni]

14. +1

[dalton99a]

18. +1. The video clip in the second tweet is clear evidence

[Rebl2]

49. Thought the

‘good guys’ with guns were supposed to go in and try to save the kids. Not stand around outside and yell at parents who want to go in and save their kids.

[mcar]

13. Look how quickly they shifted from that to "the door"

Republicans can turn their lying rhetoric on a dime.

[bullwinkle428]

15. Wait for Trump to put out statement saying he would have gone in unarmed.

[Evolve Dammit]

22. Poorly trained, cowardly or both?

[IronLionZion]

25. Arm the kids!

[PTWB]

27. I'm not sure their failure to act has any bearing on that argument.

Since Columbine it has been standard procedure to train cops to rush an active shooter and not wait for a tactical team. But they’re not obligated to rush in and, many are surprised to learn, cops have no obligation to protect the public according to our courts.

These officers may (or may not) have violated their department policies and training if the training was in keeping with modern standards.

Ultimately cops are not going to protect us. We have to protect ourselves.

[milestogo]

30. The teachers were willing to die trying to protect the children.

The police, not so much.

[bottomofthehill]

33. The sad truth, unarmed teachers slaughtered

Trying to protect the children while the cops are doing crowd control. WTF…..

[dlk]

31. The rootin' tootin' cowboy myth is deeply embedded in our culture

It’s become a drug that anesthetizes Republicans from reality.

[lpbk2713]

34. Enough time for a cup of coffee and a couple of doughnuts.

...

[Bear Creek]

35. Emergency Response

Is a very regimented, especially after 911. TV shows and movies showing maverick moves of character scripted scenes is not real life. The killing was already completed before any thought of what is happening and what to do. The guns used were created to be effective. It was created for military action and should only be in the hands of the military. The situation would need to be handled by SWAT team. While yes while the police are to protect and to serve. The pay of $23 an hour or about 47,000/ year is not incentive to die. The good guy with a gun that the republicans like to spout about would have to have luck and military training. The only way would have to have a military trained team with M16 out and patrolling. A regular issue weapon is absolutely no match. So arming a teacher would be useless and actually more dangerous. The schools all would need to be made to bullet proof glass and walls. The best solution is to ban the weapons. Other countries have done it after the first incident and have had success. Anger and coulda, woulda and shoulda is always after. All that needs to be directed at change and not finding scapegoats. Beto did the right thing. Other politicians need to find a backbone and draw a line and hold to it. Don’t let the republicans have the narrative.

[milestogo]

36. The guns used were created for military action and should only be in the hands of the military.

This.

[70sEraVet]

37. Right on!

[Lars39]

39. FBI needs to be investigating how this hostage situation was handled.

[LizBeth]

40. Good guys with a gun failed three times. Then good guys with guns sat around for 40 minutes

while the bad guy with the gun slaughter the children to the point the parents had to provide DNA. Yes, you are correct.

[inwiththenew]

42. Couldn't or didn't?

They could've gone in there much earlier it sounds like they just didn't.

[LiberalArkie]

44. Cops are too afraid of getting hurt. Same thing happened at Parkland.

[world wide wally]

50. Do you all realize how fucking INSANE this country is?

Especially the GOP gun Senators.
How can they even pretend to give a shit anymore?

[LetMyPeopleVote]

53. This video shows that the police ignored pleas from parents to go into school

Link to tweet