Uvalde Police Let Gunman In But Tried To TASER The Parents

[FelineOverlord]

I'm hearing and reading so much deeply upsetting information.

I know this is a small town but they were completely unprepared.

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[FelineOverlord]

1. Uvalde Police Let Gunman In But Tried To TASER The Parents

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[Wednesdays]

8. Holy shit, look at the background on that bottom pic

What the hell is happening there? It looks like LEO is tackling a bystander and pinning him/her to the ground!

On edit: you can also see it near the beginning of the video in the OP.

[sop]

32. The Associated Press reported Parents were screaming at the cops to "follow the shooter into the

school after seeing him rush inside with his rifle. When they didn’t, some parents attempted to enter themselves, but the police stopped them. A video from the scene shows one cop pinning a person to the ground while another brandishes a stun gun."

[Jilly_in_VA]

2. What heroes! n/t

[The Magistrate]

3. Cowardice, Sir, Flat Lack Of Moral Fiber

If someone is not willing to die, a gun at their belt is no more use than a popsicle stick.


"Courage is the form all virtue must take at the sticking point."

[malaise]

11. It is worse than that

They also prevented parents from going in to try and protect their own fucking children

No wonder Abbott and his goons rushed a fake press conference and covered all of this up.

Truth will out.

[Warpy]

36. At that point, there was no one left to protect

because the shooter was dead and so were the children. Still, they needed to know that anyone alive in there needed EMTs and other first responders, not an extra crowd.

Cops who can't handle people in crisis screaming shouldn't be cops. They're not an occupying military, no matter what Nixon tried to turn them into. We are not the enemy. The guys with the guns are. Barking orders at civilians DOES NOT WORK. I don't know what it will take to get through to some of these meatheads that that's the case, and it doesn't matter if they're in NYC or Podunk, most of them are equally clueless. Well, actually the Podunk cops are a little better, since the people in crisis are their neighbors.

Another thing they need to know is that a taser is not a tranquilizer, it's a weapon, and it can kill people with heart disease.

[Lancero]

4. Legally speaking, police have no obligation to protect the public.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/18/us/parkland-shooting-lawsuit-ruling-police.html

Protect and serve. If they have no obligation to protect the public, then just who do the police serve?

[multigraincracker]

22. If that is the case...

Why do they guns?

[ekelly]

34. To protect THEMSELVES

They don’t care about the kids.

[catsudon]

50. no wonder

this is why some people say "when you need the police right now, they're just 5min-hours away"

the right buys into this to support using guns to defend themselves.

and of course, home schooling so their kids are protected.





schools should be impenetrable during school hours from strangers who have no business there.

i do not know what to do about guns... we have too many...

[wnylib]

43. Themselves and their toxic macho egos.

That's who they serve.

[Roland99]

5. They're accomplices! Charge them!

[uponit7771]

6. WTAF !?!?

[smb]

7. Does Their Police Department Health Insurance Cover Bone Spurs? Asking For A Friend.... nt

[KS Toronado]

14. Hope your friend isn't Agolf Twitler!

[aocommunalpunch]

9. Too bad there's qualified immunity.

Or these fuckers might set an example for the rest of the scum from their own pocketbooks. Oh, and remember the filibuster is still more important than dealing with ANY of these problems. So fucking sacred.

[IronLionZion]

15. It's long past time to reform qualified immunity

[wnylib]

37. Those cops better transfer to another

department. Imagine what happens if they encounter some of those angry parents in the future.

[hamsterjill]

49. There are no other departments.

In Uvalde, everyone knows everyone. If those cops are proven to have hesitated and that resulted in someone’s kid being killed, they had better move and change their names. This is an area where that will NOT be tolerated well.

[LeftinOH]

12. This completely ends the discussion of arming teachers..

If multiple armed law enforcement personnel **who supposedly have significant training regarding engagement with criminals** aren't willing to rush into a building to restore order, how the hell are teachers (even when armed) expected to do that?

[SunSeeker]

51. THIS

[catsudon]

53. if we don't expect cops to protect us

it is time for everyone to be armed to protect themselves is what the argument will be.

if the teachers are armed, they're forced to confront the shooter, while the cops outside 'choose' to wait.



i have no solutions, except maybe better security like a fort so no strangers can get in. which should be the best for k-12

[uponit7771]

62. +1,

[TeamProg]

13. Everything is BIG in TX, especially the BIG WHIMPS in TEXAS P.D.s !! n/t

ooooo, parents!

[wnylib]

38. An American shithole state.

[meow2u3]

16. K&R with utter disgust

[Traildogbob]

17. God Damn them

That video broke me, beat me to my knees. I have a daughter. Those screams from parents for their children. Willing to storm in and die. For that long. Makes me wanna smash Abbotts, Cruz’s and that God Damned Mayor’s (you sick son of a bitch) face to a pulp like those helpless kids ended up. Did not say I would, just this gives me the urge with this much rage. Fuck you Texas GQP. Texas Dems, take this shit show of corruption down. Fight for your kids like those poor parents were denied to do.
Whole lotta fucking “Good” guys with guns there? Let’s give teachers those guns right? Fuck you GQP.

[KS Toronado]

18. Watching the video.........

the cops found the time to string up yellow "CRIME SCENE DO NOT CROSS" tape before they found the
courage to go inside the school, heads need to roll in their non-Police Department.

[ananda]

19. I am so sick and tired of all the racism and xenophobia...

that pervades the criminal justice system in this country.

Scream

[Catherine Vincent]

20. Learning all this makes me so sad

Those poor parents.

[wnylib]

41. I have a Mexican American friend

who would have decked any cop who got in her way of going after her daughter. If a cop tried to taser her, her 6'4" husband would have decked the cop, grabbed the taser and turned it on him.

I am not exaggerating. My friend's daughter is her whole life and she takes shit from no one where her daughter is concerned.

I read one story about a father who did manage to reach the school, break a window, and get his kid out. Kudos to him.

[llashram]

21. such cowardly

non-action by the goddamn cops... Parents trying to save their kids, cops restraining them and just milling around. Goddamn!!! And I don't give a damn about their protocols. Shots fired in a school, you go in. Try to save as many innocents as possible.

[wnylib]

44. Federal investigation is called for.

[llashram]

47. YES

big time...

[Martin68]

23. Are you suggesting the cops should let parents in to confront the shooter? Have I misunderstood your

post?

[BadgerMom]

26. Pretty clear the "suggestion" is that cops should be doing that so parents don't need to.

[3auld6phart]

57. What the

Hell do you suggest? It seems quite obvious the feckin’ plastic
hats were not going to do anything. What would you try and
do as a parent if you were there ? Yesterday I posted “ what
needed to be investigated “. Damn, I was wrong. That shit
show really needs investigation.

[hamsterjill]

24. Okay, I'm trying to be rational here which is not easy.

I grew up there and this is having a profound effect. There is definitely more to this story than what is being said at this point. Too many stories circulating with valid information.

That said…this particular video shows a school bus moving in the background. So I believe this video was taken after the shooting had ended. My understanding is that the children who were evacuated during the gunfire exchanges were taken to a funeral home that is across the street. They were not put on buses until the scene was secured.

I’m not trying to argue with anyone. We don’t know a whole hell of a lot and there are certainly inconsistencies. But I want to try my best to stick to facts and not go too far out there until we know more for certain.

[Unwind Your Mind]

39. Thank you for your comments hamsterjill

It’s so valuable for all of us to hear from someone who is there

[hamsterjill]

46. Appreciate your response.

I want to know who the dealer is that sold the guns to the shooter. All that has been released is that it was a federally licensed dealer and a legal sale. But I want they dealer identified! He’s probably a member of the good ole boys network and being protected.

The shooter did not have a driver’s license. So what did he take with him to prove he was eighteen? An ID card? A birth certificate? I would like to know.

[wnylib]

56. Good points. However, if the parents were

screaming for the cops to go inside, it does suggest that the shooting might not have been over yet. Or maybe they wanted wounded kids brought out quickly to get emergency treatment. We won't know until someone speaks to whoever took the videos about when they were taken.

I am also wondering if the cops decided to evacuate the rest of the school to protect the remaining kids in other rooms before confronting the shooter. That would make sense. If they confronted the shooter first, they risked more gunfire that could pierce walls or doors into other classrooms.

But I read the account of one of the student survivors about how Ramos was shot. This kid was in an adjoining classroom with a connecting door to where the shooter was. The kid and 4 of his friends hid under a table with a tablecloth and Ramos did not see them when he shot open the connecting door. According to this student, a cop came to the hall doorway and said if there was anyone in the room who needed help to say so. A girl said, "help" and Ramos immediately shot her. Then the cop shot Ramos. An accident by the cop? Or did he use the kid's response to flush out Ramos?

I know we don't have answers yet, but I can't forget that scared little girl thinking she was safe when the cops arrived and calling out, "help," only to die.

[hamsterjill]

63. It is ALL seared in my mind!!

Trust me. Everyone I know is crying off and on uncontrollably.

We don’t know. We just need to be careful so that incorrect information doesn’t gain steam.

[wnylib]

65. Agree.

[AllaN01Bear]

25. why are we paying these people for?

[samsingh]

27. the police are generally not there to help the victims

[Buns_of_Fire]

28. "To Serve and Protect"

Seems like they did a dandy job of protecting the shooter while he went about his business.

I don't know the answer, and I realize that letting hysterical unarmed parents confront a madman isn't a good idea, but DAMN!

[2naSalit]

29. HOLY FUCKING SHIT...

At the end of that first thread, they whine about the cops not having any incentives or rewards for doing their fucking job!

WTF?

Those guys are pretty well paid with shitloads of perks like guaranteed immunity and all that so, REWARDS!? Are you fucking kidding me?


The more I see these days, the more I hope I don't get a whole lot older.

[Takket]

30. Lots on unanswered questions

I want to know why border patrol killed the shooter. Like, I’m glad someone did, but why was border patrol even there and not local police? And why did border patrol go in? Did they go in because the cops were too chicken? Or weren’t doing anything? (OP video). Or were there local police also inside.

A lot to unpack here but bottom line for me? A “good guy with a gun” is NOT the answer to mass shootings.

[Lasher]

61. The cops called for assistance and it was border patrol who showed up.

I just saw that on TV.

[YoshidaYui]

31. SMH

the outrage is gonna explode.

[3Hotdogs]

33. Stopping the parents from going inside, makes sense.

The cops not going inside themselves, is fucked up.

[Bear Creek]

35. Problem

The parents were distraught. Just running in would have been disastrous and added to victims. Sad as this situation was the parents should have been removed from the area. It's tough but necessary. Use of taser should be last resort.

[Historic NY]

40. The scene is out of control,

it would seem that this was post active shooting and in the evacuation phase. Notice the bus's coming and going and the police tape all around.

[FelineOverlord]

42. Police lied

I just want to emphasize I can completely understand why they didn’t want the parents inside.

They still failed to do their jobs properly.

Anyway . . .

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[not fooled]

45. For anyone who wants to destroy the evil Federal gubmint

Note that it was better-trained and equipped *Federal* Border Patrol SWAT team agents who stopped the shooter. Local LE not much use, apparently, except for keeping parents in line.

My understanding is that BP was called in because they were better equipped and more capable. Makes sense in light of what we know now about the response of local LE.

[sop]

48. "First Reponders"?

Nah, not so much.

[rockfordfile]

52. Wow Police messed up big time. You can hear the shooting as they stood outside

[nowforever]

54. Don't understand

Police encountered Ramos before he entered and as he entered school but were unable to stop him. This is an 18 year old who had the gun, he was carrying, for about a week and they exchange fire and then retreat as he slaughters the children and teachers. They walk around outside with their automatic rifles in hand yet cannot enter school to engage suspect. He locks himself in classroom and they cannot figure out how to get in the hallway near the class and take some action. They are trained in firing their .223 automatic guns along with hostage situations and yet this kid somehow outguns and out maneuvers them. I understand the risk but you need to attempt to get in that classroom. Amazingingly, for almost an hour after he locks himself in class they use a key (that was available from the start) to enter the class. They have tactical gear and body armour and yet are afraid to get near the classroom for an hour. So the police listen to kids getting slaughtered and protect themselves from harm. It demonstrates most cops are hero's on the outside and cowards on the inside. Meanwhile the teacher's confronted the gunman as he entered and then stood in front of the children and were mowed down...the cops wearing body armour and automatic weapons cowered outside while pushing parents around...pathetic.

[gordianot]

55. It looks like the "good guys with a gun" meme is about to take a major hit.

[Tree Lady]

58. I get them not letting the parents in

that would be like a hostage situation at a bank and you know someone inside and cops say you can't go help them. What I don't get is the cops going in after their own kids during that time. If they can go in for theirs why not others?

[Evolve Dammit]

59. Un-fucking believable. They would have had to kill me. I could not have stood to just stand there

for fucking minutes, let alone an hour??

[Turbineguy]

60. Maybe the parents voted for

Republicans. Republicans policy is to put guns in hands of psychos. Psychos kill cops as well has children.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

64. This video shows that the police ignored pleas from parents to go into school

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