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Thu May 26, 2022, 02:49 PM

What?! A parent DID make it inside Robb Elementary after having been briefly HANDCUFFED

https://www.wsj.com/articles/uvalde-residents-voice-frustration-over-shooting-response-11653588161

Ms. Gomez convinced local Uvalde police officers whom she knew to persuade the marshals to set her free. Around her, the scene was frantic. She said she saw a father tackled and thrown to the ground by police and a third pepper-sprayed. Once freed from her cuffs, Ms. Gomez made her distance from the crowd, jumped the school fence, and ran inside to grab her two children. She sprinted out of the school with them.


WTF is wrong with this country?!

The cops were engaging parents MORE than they were trying to get to the shooter!

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Reply What?! A parent DID make it inside Robb Elementary after having been briefly HANDCUFFED (Original post)
Roland99 May 26 OP
Mosby May 26 #1
CrackityJones75 May 26 #2
Maraya1969 May 26 #32
Roland99 May 26 #4
halfulglas May 26 #14
wnylib May 26 #30
SunSeeker May 27 #64
Swede May 26 #8
intheflow May 27 #68
Swede May 27 #72
tblue37 May 26 #22
rickford66 May 26 #37
HUAJIAO May 26 #24
Mosby May 26 #54
Irish_Dem May 26 #3
SleeplessinSoCal May 26 #18
Irish_Dem May 26 #20
SleeplessinSoCal May 26 #23
Dave says May 26 #5
ck4829 May 26 #6
elleng May 26 #7
llashram May 26 #9
Probatim May 26 #10
llashram May 26 #11
wnylib May 26 #35
llashram May 26 #51
Nay May 27 #66
llashram May 27 #71
Tommymac May 27 #65
Javaman May 26 #12
LetMyPeopleVote May 26 #13
yaesu May 26 #15
Traildogbob May 26 #16
ancianita May 26 #53
Novara May 26 #17
Dukkha May 26 #19
3825-87867 May 26 #27
mainer May 26 #21
Lasher May 26 #25
Roland99 May 26 #26
Lasher May 26 #33
Roland99 May 26 #38
Lasher May 26 #47
Roland99 May 26 #48
summer_in_TX May 26 #58
Lasher May 26 #60
summer_in_TX May 26 #63
Nay May 27 #67
uponit7771 May 26 #40
Lasher May 27 #73
uponit7771 May 26 #39
Lasher May 26 #44
uponit7771 May 26 #45
Roland99 May 26 #49
Lasher May 26 #50
LeftInTX May 26 #55
Lasher May 26 #56
Chin music May 26 #28
uponit7771 May 26 #41
Chin music May 26 #42
Snackshack May 26 #29
Lancero May 26 #31
Rebl2 May 26 #34
slightlv May 26 #52
MoonlitKnight May 26 #36
NullTuples May 26 #43
moonshinegnomie May 26 #46
LiberalArkie May 26 #57
questionseverything May 26 #59
LeftInTX May 26 #61
Roland99 May 26 #62
spanone May 27 #69
intheflow May 27 #70

Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2022, 02:51 PM

1. Wsj is paywalled.

No one can read it.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #1)

Thu May 26, 2022, 02:54 PM

2. I mean you can if you pay for it.

 

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Reply #2)

Thu May 26, 2022, 04:57 PM

32. I'm on my phone so I don't have the link but

There is an archive thingy where you just stick the URL in there and you can read everything

Maybe someone will post it

Edit- see post 8

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Response to Mosby (Reply #1)

Thu May 26, 2022, 02:54 PM

4. I use simple tricks.

On chrome, click the 'X' before the page finishes loading. Sometimes have to go into Incognito mode and try the URL there

UVALDE, Texas—Residents here expressed anger and frustration Thursday about the time it took for law enforcement to end an elementary-school shooting in which 19 children and two teachers died, as videos circulated on social media showing parents confronting police outside the building.

“The police were doing nothing,” said Angeli Rose Gomez, who after learning about the shooting drove 40 miles to Robb Elementary School, where her children are in second and third grade. “They were just standing outside the fence. They weren’t going in there or running anywhere.”

State officials have said that local police were at the school within a few minutes of the gunman entering the building and exchanged gunfire with him, but they were unable to gain access to a classroom where he barricaded himself, firing on officers.

Ms. Gomez, a farm supervisor, said that she was one of numerous parents who began encouraging—first politely, and then with more urgency—police and other law enforcement to enter the school. After a few minutes, she said, federal marshals approached her and put her in handcuffs, telling her she was being arrested for intervening in an active investigation.

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #4)

Thu May 26, 2022, 03:14 PM

14. Active investigation? Oh hell, it was an active shooter. They were supposed to be in there.

Only now on TV are the cops admitting their story wasn't exactly right (supposedly because they are still collecting information). It's Texas and they're cops and their first reaction is control the narrative. All cops are heroes. They never make mistakes. They don't know how that original misinformation got out.

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #4)

Thu May 26, 2022, 04:53 PM

30. Nobody thought to toss tear gas inside?

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Or, would that have harmed the kids?

Maybe some other diversion, like shooting in another direction to draw his attention away from the kids.

I think it is possible that, when cops got shot and could not get into the classroom, they realized that they could only protect the rest of the kids by containing him. It's also possible, I guess, that when they held the parents back, it was to protect them from being shot inside, too.

Firemen restrain people from going back inside a burning building to retrieve an item or even to try to save a person or pet. Perhaps the Uvalde police were operating on that principle of preventing even further loss of life.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #30)

Fri May 27, 2022, 12:08 AM

64. Tear gas would not kill the kids, just disable them, and the killer.

That is assuming the killer did not have a gas mask.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #1)

Thu May 26, 2022, 03:03 PM

8. Try this webpage.

Archive.today is a time capsule for web pages!
It takes a 'snapshot' of a webpage that will always be online even if the original page disappears.
It saves a text and a graphical copy of the page for better accuracy
and provides a short and reliable link to an unalterable record of any web page




https://archive.ph/

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Response to Swede (Reply #8)

Fri May 27, 2022, 10:39 AM

68. The Internet Archive is the older, well-known

web site to archive pages, via the Wayback Machine. Good to have both sources; if it’s not at one, it might be at the other.

https://web.archive.org/

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Response to intheflow (Reply #68)

Fri May 27, 2022, 12:41 PM

72. Thanks

nt

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Response to Mosby (Reply #1)

Thu May 26, 2022, 04:03 PM

22. Actually, I signed up for free articles. I don't know how many I get, because I've only used 2,

but it did let me read them once I signed up for a free "account."

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #22)

Thu May 26, 2022, 05:02 PM

37. Keep clearing your cookies.

That's how they identify you and track the number of your visits.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #1)

Thu May 26, 2022, 04:30 PM

24. here ya go

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Response to HUAJIAO (Reply #24)

Thu May 26, 2022, 07:25 PM

54. Thanks, that worked.


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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2022, 02:54 PM

3. This is America. We threaten and punish those doing the right thing.

Teachers, nurses, public heath workers, election workers, Dem leaders, etc etc.

The guilty and wrong doers have no consequences and get rewarded.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #3)

Thu May 26, 2022, 03:43 PM

18. I think the cons approve this narrative

They like the negative world wide horrific portrayal of America as a dark, forbidding place and not the beacon of freedom.

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Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Reply #18)

Thu May 26, 2022, 03:48 PM

20. Putin/GOP want the US to be seen as a failure of democracy.

Only a dictatorship can successfully rule.

It is the attempt to turn the tide of global power to Russia and China.
Then the GOP can get it all, permanent US power, all US assets.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #20)

Thu May 26, 2022, 04:17 PM

23. Back to Slavery.

No wonder CRT terrifies them.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2022, 02:54 PM

5. O my god

What a tragedy, amplified by the misguided cowardice of the LEOs on the scene. Extremely tragic and sad.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2022, 02:59 PM

6. ...

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2022, 03:00 PM

7. The 'country' at large is OK, but

SOME places are not.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2022, 03:04 PM

9. cowards

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no other reason for their non-responsiveness... An unarmed mom could save her 2 kids, lead them to safety but cops couldn't save any of the dead or wounded. Stood around for an hour with that Ramos kid slowly massacring innocent children.

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Response to llashram (Reply #9)

Thu May 26, 2022, 03:06 PM

10. Dollars to doughnuts, these tw*ts will be getting medals from Abbott before the end of June.

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Response to Probatim (Reply #10)

Thu May 26, 2022, 03:09 PM

11. wouldn't surprise me

with the heights, republikkkan hypocrisy has reached since 2016. Lies, lies, lies swirl around this massacre from so-called leaders. Republikkkan all.

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Response to llashram (Reply #9)

Thu May 26, 2022, 05:00 PM

35. I agree that it sounds and looks awful.

OTOH, the mother's kids were in a different classroom than the shooter and his victims. Nobody could get into the room where the shooter was without being shot up.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #35)

Thu May 26, 2022, 05:57 PM

51. of course the

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mom got her kids from another classroom. Why couldn't LEOs do the same and slowly, as officers are trained to do? Move toward the classroom where the shooting was happening and neutralize the threat. Yet they stood around for over an hour doing nothing? While brave momma got in and out safely.

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Response to llashram (Reply #51)

Fri May 27, 2022, 10:09 AM

66. At the very minimum, cops should have been evacuating the other classrooms, through

the windows, if necessary. That's what some parents did.

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Response to Nay (Reply #66)

Fri May 27, 2022, 11:30 AM

71. yep

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Response to wnylib (Reply #35)

Fri May 27, 2022, 09:28 AM

65. No, it WAS awful. No doubt or theories or excuses or 'splaining. nt

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2022, 03:13 PM

12. cops want the toys but not the risk. nt

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2022, 03:25 PM

15. Fascists are more concerned with controlling than protecting. nt

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2022, 03:32 PM

16. For all that police presence

It was ALL HATS and no BALLS. Fuck each one of you. A cowboy hat does not make you a man, as you think. All those parents beggin to run in to save their kids. That is courage, and bravery, no Cowboy hat needed to show their balls.

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Response to Traildogbob (Reply #16)

Thu May 26, 2022, 06:38 PM

53. Yep. It was enforcement theater, with no intention of protecting anyone but themselves.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2022, 03:34 PM

17. Holy fuck

Every single one of those cops should be fired.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2022, 03:43 PM

19. A lot of bad coming out

about the ̶f̶i̶r̶s̶t̶ no responders and their woeful incompetence in doing nothing to stop the active shooter. Texas gets a giant F for FUCK YOU in their corruption and always putting right wing ideology before common sense.

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Response to Dukkha (Reply #19)

Thu May 26, 2022, 04:43 PM

27. No Reponders!

or Last Responders once all was safe?

Perfect description of the cowards in Texas.

If the cops feared for their lives, they should have shot him...oh, wait...he had guns!

The sad part is they will rationalize and justify it to themselves so they can live with their cowardice!

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2022, 03:59 PM

21. In a crisis, Moms outperform cops

The cops are useless.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2022, 04:33 PM

25. How did she get inside?

For that matter, how did the shooter get in? It's starting to look like there was an unlocked door somewhere.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #25)

Thu May 26, 2022, 04:37 PM

26. probably multiple. And considering cops were waiting for CBP Bortach unit, not a lot of eyes on it

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #26)

Thu May 26, 2022, 04:57 PM

33. This doesn't make sense.

Around here we can't get into our local school without getting buzzed in by the administrative assistant. There is an intercom outside where you press a button so we can identify ourselves and tell her why we want in.

As is usually the case, there is confusion about what went on and when. Here is an article about what we know so far about the timeline. So far it looks like the resource officer tried to engage him before he got in, but the killer was able to enter the school anyway. I am trying to avoid jumping to conclusions, but sometimes it's hard.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #33)

Thu May 26, 2022, 05:06 PM

38. I've also read the School officer didn't try to engage, just verbal

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #38)

Thu May 26, 2022, 05:36 PM

47. And I've read there was no School Resource Officer at all.

No doubt about it, somebody's trying to hide something.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #47)

Thu May 26, 2022, 05:36 PM

48. 48 hours is PLENTY enough time to get the facts straight.

there is NO excuse at this point

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Response to Lasher (Reply #47)

Thu May 26, 2022, 09:25 PM

58. At today's official briefing by the Texas Dept. of Safety

the officer said there was no school resource officer and no engagement when the shooter entered the building.

It was a very odd press conference. Cut off abruptly.

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Response to summer_in_TX (Reply #58)

Thu May 26, 2022, 10:18 PM

60. I saw it, Summer

It was strange but the truth is coming out.

They have not been handling this well. Now they have no credibility.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #60)

Thu May 26, 2022, 11:39 PM

63. Yes, they've whetted everyone's curiosity.

An outside agency may have to be appointed to investigate it.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #47)

Fri May 27, 2022, 10:14 AM

67. The actual cops have admitted that there was no resource officer or any other officer

who engaged the shooter before he went into the school. That was one lie they have already retracted because there were too many witnesses.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #33)

Thu May 26, 2022, 05:23 PM

40. Same here, we are behind double buzzers. Looks like they doubled their school security budget bet i

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #40)

Fri May 27, 2022, 02:34 PM

73. I just saw on TV that a teacher had propped the back door open.

Maybe that was a common practice there, I don't know. That teacher and the principal should be held accountable.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #25)

Thu May 26, 2022, 05:22 PM

39. There was an unlocked door and she jumped the fence or got past the police barrier and got her child

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #39)

Thu May 26, 2022, 05:30 PM

44. Do you have a link for that?

I don't think there are usually supposed to be unlocked doors in a school. And if that was the case, how did she know about it? And the killer, how did he know that particular door was unlocked?

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Response to Lasher (Reply #44)

Thu May 26, 2022, 05:30 PM

45. Just heard it on MSNBC, this story will no doubt be on major papers soon

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #49)

Thu May 26, 2022, 05:52 PM

50. Thanks.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #25)

Thu May 26, 2022, 07:43 PM

55. On Tuesday, I read that a parent broke a window and grabbed her kids

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #55)

Thu May 26, 2022, 07:51 PM

56. I read that too.

This does not lend credulence to the theory of keeping parents away in a time of crisis like this.

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Response to Chin music (Reply #28)

Thu May 26, 2022, 05:24 PM

41. She knew local police, it was the US Marshals who handcuffed her

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2022, 04:53 PM

29. WTF

If this turns out to be every bit as bad as it looks then OMG.

If true that one parent was detained then let go, walked around to other side of the school, climbed a fence, went into the school, got her 2 children and then left…and all this time the cops are standing around out front and the shooter was shooting victims…

I really hope this turns out not to be correct.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2022, 04:54 PM

31. They'd rather arrest parents trying to protect their children than mass shooters.

Worthless pigs.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2022, 04:59 PM

34. It sounds

as if the police were totally unprepared for a situation like this. I hope my small town is more prepared than this one.

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Response to Rebl2 (Reply #34)

Thu May 26, 2022, 06:13 PM

52. I read they had JUST had an active shooter drill!

terrorize the children for nothing, it sounds like, with these drills... cause the adults sure don't learn anything from them. I read the teachers gathered as many kids behind them and sacrificed themselves.

All these school shootings are heart rending. This one I just can't get over, tho... why? Why is this one hitting me so much harder? Is it because I used to live in TX when it was blue and I loved it back then? Is it just because it's the proverbial "one step farther" than I can stand with everything else going on? I feel like I'm losing my mind.

Kudos to the mother who got her kids out. I'd have been that mother; nothing would have stopped me from getting Susie out of that situation. But, being a mother, and knowing I'd have left a classroom of kids behind while rescuing my own, I don't know how I'd live with that for the rest of my life. I fear for that mother's mental health. I hope she gets help. I know she's relieved to have her kids with her and alive; but deep within her, I fear she's got a lot festering that's gotta come out, too. I hope she gets some professional help to talk it out.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2022, 05:00 PM

36. Instead of first responders

It’s sounding more like they got worst responders.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2022, 05:28 PM

43. With all the gear and tech cops have received from the military, they turn out to be cowards.

Why am I not surprised?

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2022, 05:32 PM

46. arrest the cops for murder

then life in prison or the needle.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2022, 08:28 PM

57. A cop could get hurt by confronting the shooter.

From their point of view: "I am not going to get killed just for some wetbacks". If it was the white church run school, it would have never happened. Why was the Border Patrol the ones to go in blazing?

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #57)

Thu May 26, 2022, 09:44 PM

59. Most of the towns swat team is hispanic, so that seems unlikely

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu May 26, 2022, 10:24 PM

61. She's married to a cop.

She talked to someone who got the cuffs removed. Off she went!

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #61)

Thu May 26, 2022, 11:04 PM

62. Haven't seen that reported

“ Ms. Gomez convinced local Uvalde police officers whom she knew to persuade the marshals to set her free.”

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 10:48 AM

69. A mother who was handcuffed outside the Texas school shooting later ran into the school

A mother who was handcuffed outside the Texas school shooting later ran into the school and pulled her two children to safety

A Texas mother of two students at Robb Elementary School pushed past a police line and jumped a fence, rescuing her two children during Tuesday's mass shooting in Uvalde, according to The Wall Street Journal.

Angeli Rose Gomez, a farm supervisor working nearby who has children in second and third grade at Robb, told the Journal that she drove 40 miles to the school when she heard about the shooting, only to see an apparent lack of response from law enforcement as the gunman barricaded himself in a classroom.

"The police were doing nothing," Gomez told The Journal. "They were just standing outside the fence. They weren't going in there or running anywhere."

Chilling reports have emerged of parents pushing past law enforcement to rescue their children by any means, their efforts growing increasingly dire as the gunman remained in the school. Law enforcement officials have given conflicting accounts of what was happening during the 40 minutes the gunman was inside – as groups of police remained outside.



https://sports.yahoo.com/mother-handcuffed-outside-texas-school-202952406.html

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Fri May 27, 2022, 11:00 AM

70. WSJ doesn't know the difference between types of LEOs.

After many quotes about local police inaction, they write

Danny Ruiz, whose great-niece died in the attack, said he arrived at the school after hearing gunfire and felt grateful for the police response.
“The Border Patrol agent who took him out, to me, that guy is a hero,” said Mr. Ruiz, 51.


Border Patrol arrived an hour after the first 911 call and finished what the local cops didn’t even start.

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