They were brown.

[sheshe2]

The children of Robb Elementary School were brown and therefore not that important.

The police seem confused and have conflicting stories about the events. Snips show the police tackling parents and doing nothing for the children. Were they so terrified for their own safety that they let the children be slaughtered. If they were too terrified of a shooter with an AK15 that they stood outside the fence in safety as they listened to the shots as each child died...then the gun should be banned.

Fuck the NRA and the GOP.

[elleng]

1. So was/is the swat team.

[chowder66]

2. +1

[Raine]

4. +2 nt

[SMC22307]

43. She knows. (n/t)

[Abolishinist]

73. +3

Wow. Just wow.

[Irish_Dem]

3. Yes I think the same. GOP elite kids would have been protected.

[AkFemDem]

5. I personally know a police officer who responded

And he, like most of the town, was brown.

The father of one of the murdered children was an on duty sheriffs deputy!!! He too was brown!

Many of the border patrol agents who responded (both on and off duty) were brown!!

The men and women who responded had children of their own in that school. Do you not think if there was any way to get to those kids and not get any more killed they would have??!! Ultimately it took finding a school administrator who could find a classroom key to breach the classroom. What else would you have had these browns officers do? Fire indiscriminately through the walls and door??!!!

[BlackSkimmer]

7. Thank you.

The OP may need to read a bit more about this tragedy.

[sheshe2]

13. I am sorry for your friend's loss.

A child is a precious gift that we should never lose.


I have tried to research the name of the police officer that lost their child in the massacre. Please give us their name so we can morn them as well.

[BlackSkimmer]

17. CNN named her.

And it’s really easy to find the name of the teacher who died who was married to the cop…only two teachers, and one’s husband has just died of a heart attack. Not difficult to find the name…so you can “morn.”

Wow.

[sheshe2]

18. I don't understand your attacks on me.

Go for it. I don't care anymore.

[BlackSkimmer]

20. I answered your questions. How do you read that as an attack?

Good lord.

[sheshe2]

22. Attacks. Plural.

Done with you.

[BlackSkimmer]

23. Where?

Just because I disagree with you?

I’m not the only one on this thread who does. My, my, my.

[sheshe2]

26. Yes, the two of you work in sync.

You have both followed me around the last few days.

I barely post anymore. This place isn't what it was. Sad that, I use to love it here.

[Nixie]

70. We can see what they have in common, too, sheshe.

You hit the trifecta tonight with them.

[BlackSkimmer]

97. The two of whom?

Oh the irony.

And I’ve been here a helluva lot longer than you.

[sheshe2]

93. You are not just disagreeing, you are attacking.

Children are dead and there are many questions about the response no matter what there color is.

[SMC22307]

58. You're not the victim here.

STOP.

[sheshe2]

94. My post was about the children and the lack of a response,

You are not the victim here, it is about the children.

[AkFemDem]

28. Not a friends loss

I don’t know the person who lost his daughter.

His story has been widely publicized as he has already spoken publicly about the need for meaningful reform and change.

[sheshe2]

95. Oh

5. I personally know a police officer who responded

[AkFemDem]

99. Uh. You do understand more than one officer responded

🤔 Or did you actually think only one officer was on scene? Very very odd.

[Ms. Toad]

90. Ruben Ruiz, a district police officer, lost his wife Eva Mireles (teacher)

Fexis Rubio (deputy) lost his 10-year old daughter Alexandria "Lexi" Rubio

https://www.police1.com/mass-casualty/articles/daughter-of-deputy-who-responded-to-texas-school-shooting-idd-among-kids-killed-p3OXY9sepIPKn23Z/

[BlackSkimmer]

6. One of the teachers killed was the wife of a cop. One cop lost his daughter. Are you aware of that?

Many of those cops responding were also "brown" as you refer to them. Several had kids in the school. Are you aware of that?

People need to stop this.

The police leadership obviously fucked up, but I don't believe this is a racist thing. Sad to see people pushing this here.

[sheshe2]

15. Please link.

I have tried to research and found nothing.

[AkFemDem]

30. It seems like you haven't researched much at all then?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna30540



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61593071.amp

[SMC22307]

41. Then you haven't tried very hard.

Stirring the race pot at this time is obscene.

[NoRethugFriends]

8. Get the story straight next time

[sheshe2]

9. Excuse me?

Care to explain your comment?

There is no justification for your being rude to me,

[BlackSkimmer]

10. Perhaps the poster is referring to the fact that many of the police were also "brown".

At least two lost loved ones in this horror.

Smh.

[sheshe2]

16. Link

[BlackSkimmer]

19. I'm quite sure you're capable of watching media of your choice.

Anderson Cooper named the child in his show tonight. The teacher married to the cop is REALLY easy to figure out. I have read and heard more than I can handle on this horror today. Do your own research.

Numerous people have told you in this thread that the police force and SWAT team were PoC, but you seem to be ignoring that.

Come on now.

[Sympthsical]

11. Most people involved were brown

These are not internet playthings to be exploited.

These are people.

[BlackSkimmer]

14. Thank you.

It’s unbelievable to me how some people seem to be completely unaware of some very pertinent facts about this tragedy.

Or maybe they just choose to ignore those facts.

Ugh.

[SMC22307]

42. She's on Twitter.

She knows.

[sheshe2]

25. The ones that hold the Power are White.

Governor Abbott. Cruz and the assholes that threw Beto out of the press conference.

You may not like him. My thoughts, he is and was amazing yesterday.

Bravo Beto.

[Sympthsical]

27. You are incredibly off base. This is offensive.

These games with color on social media are unacceptable.

[Nixie]

92. "The games with color on social media are unacceptable."

Wow, that’s quite an admission of a huge axe to grind.

[sheshe2]

29. Yes.

All of the children and parents were brown and not internet playthings to be exploited.

They are people. I am thrilled that we actually agree here.

Thank you Sympthsical. We finally agree on something.

[Texasgal]

31. Have you done ANY research?

Uvalde, TX is 83.5% HISPANIC. Many communities near there are LARGELY Hispanic. Please stop this offensive spread of bull. Please.

[sheshe2]

32. Why the cover up then?

Why can't the police answer the questions.

[Texasgal]

33. Because they were largely inept!

They obviously not trained well, and children and families suffer. They never thought it would happen in their little town!

Nobody WANTED this to happen. Please exercise some compassion.

[sheshe2]

45. I give up

You accuse me of no compassion.

[Texasgal]

47. I only do because you

have consistently equated this event based on race.

It's wrong and serves no purpose for the victims.

[Texasgal]

21. Oh good grief!

Most communities in south and southwest Texas are largely Hispanic! Please, don't try to invoke color here! Most of the officers were Hispanic too!

This was only due to gross negligence on the part of law enforcement people and the attitude that "it can't happen here"

[JoeOtterbein]

34. Good point. And...

...tears.

[Cozmo]

35. Yeah and those MFers were wearing body armor too.

[MerryHolidays]

36. This is a right-wing city and county

I say that only to say it is a right-wing city and county.

That, to me, is the bigger issue. Here, you had a heavily armed SWAT team that seemed afraid to protect its most vulnerable, who are, without any doubt, COCs (CHILDREN of color, not just PEOPLE OF COLOR). My heart breaks for these little ones and their families. Dear ones: RIP.

Lay off going after the OP, who is one of the most distinguished DUers. Instead, go after the RIGHTWING, REGARDLESS OF THEIR COLOR. They, without any doubt, allowed/caused this to happen.

[questionseverything]

38. Bull

So are you and the op saying the mostly hispanic police deliberately let mostly hispanic children be killed?

It’s offensive

[MerryHolidays]

39. What?????

Are you fine with the right wing allowing guns everywhere, and police endorsing that? Get real.

[MerryHolidays]

40. If you want to be an apologist for the police inaction here, THAT is what is offensive.

As I said, I am putting the POC issue aside, and rasing this, from start to finish, as a failure of the RIGHT-WING?

Are you excusing this?

[questionseverything]

44. Idk why the cops screwed up so but

The swat team didn’t let it happen because the kids were brown, btw 6 out of 9 swat members were hispanic, maybe more but from the widely circulated picture of swat, the majority were hispanic

[MerryHolidays]

46. PLEASE READ MY POST. I do not think you are. You are fixated on color.

From start to finish, this was a RIGHTWING issue. The rightwing allowing guns to be everywhere with no restrictions and police (who are universally right-wing) not doing anything. I have specifically suggested moving off from color.

Please do not absolve the police.

[questionseverything]

49. The op made it about color in her title, they were brown

I appreciate that you now wish to change the narrative but the op should really just delete

[MerryHolidays]

54. Rather than blaming someone, would you care to get over debating points?

Are you fine with blaming the rightwing? Regardless of color.

Please REMEMBER THAT CHILDREN ARE DEAD! And, you, and others, are focused on debating blame? POCs can be rightwingers, so please address that if you (and other folks who are posting laughing emojis during this sickest of times) care.

[questionseverything]

64. Omg you have gone from poc were targeted because they were poc

To maybe those poc were right wingers

If you want to talk about other stuff, make an op

[MerryHolidays]

66. You are not DU admin. Please don't tell me what to post. nt

[SMC22307]

72. Yes, the OP should delete.

But she won't.

[MerryHolidays]

76. Hopefully, you too will delete your laughing emoji. nt

[SMC22307]

77. Nope. "Distinguished DUer" earned it.

Didn't you just wag your finger at someone else in this thread telling them they're not DU Admin and shouldn't tell you what to post? Isn't that a wee bit hypocritical... telling me what to do?

[MerryHolidays]

81. If you want to keep your laughing emoji in this saddest of times, ok...says a great deal. nt

[SMC22307]

84. There's never-ending sadness: school shootings, grocery shootings,

church shootings, Ukrainian innocents slaughtered, Yemen, etc. As a matter of fact, I nearly broke down in a Food Lion the other night when I noticed almost every employee was Black and my mind turned to the atrocity at the Tops market.

I'll take humor wherever I can find it.

[MerryHolidays]

87. Ok. Can dig it.

Let's do something. Until today, I hadn't. But I gave some money to a national organization and also wrote to local officials to get them to help stop the madness.

PEACE! and goodnight.

[SMC22307]

88. I've donated to Beasley in NC, Demings in FL, Fetterman in PA, and Ryan in OH.

We have GOT to gain control of the Senate.

Peace and goodnight to you as well.

[MerryHolidays]

89. Agreed.

Just one thing: if finances allow, please consider donating directly to the gun-control organizations. For example, I donated today and found out that Michael Bloomberg is triple-matching any donations until May 31. It's the first time I donated directly to an anti-gun organization.

[SMC22307]

53. No one is apologizing for police inaction. But people are rightly calling out...

the "because they were brown" BS. It's absolutely a GOP failure, whether it's kids in school, folks grocery shopping, people worshipping, and on and on and on. But we need to stick to facts and not manipulative BS.

[MerryHolidays]

55. Your laughing emojis in this saddest of times is disgusting. I would strongly suggest you remove. nt

[SMC22307]

57. There's no laughing emoji in my post. (n/t)

[MerryHolidays]

59. Glad you removed it. Oh, so sorry: you didn't!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16734410

[SMC22307]

61. Um, no. Never was. Show me in the edits where I removed it from the post you replied to. (n/t)

[SMC22307]

62. Different post. And that one's staying. (n/t)

[MerryHolidays]

68. That's entirely on you to have laughing emojis about this. nt

[SMC22307]

48. "Distinguished DUers"?

[MerryHolidays]

50. Wow...really profound. Your ad hominem and useless attack is duly disregarded. nt

[BlackSkimmer]

98. That one made me giggle too.

[MerryHolidays]

102. Shocked you can find any humor in any of this. nt

[AZLD4Candidate]

37. They are brave when someone is unarmed.

[Warpy]

51. So was the shooter and so were some of those cops

and a couple of the dead children were Anglo.

None of this was about color. It wasn't about cops acting stupidly, it wasn't about what doors were open.

It was about the GUNS.

[TomSlick]

52. I think you are close to the point.

The problem isn't that the children were brown; there has been inaction when white kids were shot were shot in the past. The problem is they were public school kids.

GOP politicians are unmoved when there is a mass murder at a school because they think things like this won't happen at the fancy private schools their children and grandchildren attend. They are unmoved when there is a mass murder at a Walmart or grocery store because they have staff who do the shopping. If poor and middle class children and adults are murdered, it is really not their problem.

Let there be a shooting at an exclusive private school, or a fancy jewelry store, or a private golf club and suddenly guns will become a national emergency.

[MerryHolidays]

56. TomSlick, I am sorry to say that I disagree

The NRA has co-opted so many of the rightwing politicians, that even if a tragedy were to befall the family of a right-winger, the rest of the right-wing would be so beholden to special interests that they would find a way to excuse it.

[TomSlick]

63. You're probably right.

I keep thinking that surely these bastards retain enough of their humanity to be touched if their kind of people were the victims. They would probably sacrifice their own children on the NRA altar.

[MerryHolidays]

65. TS: I am sorry to say that the RWNJs are beyond redemption any more.

It is the essence of insanity to defend any Second Amendment right that allows this. I finally joined the fight against the belief that the Second Amendment allows anyone to bear any weapon of any sort today.

[LeftInTX]

82. I thought maybe something would change when Scalise

was shot, but he just doubled down.

[MerryHolidays]

83. Ah, dear LITx, it's a badge of honor for these fools.

However, as of today and forevermore, I have joined the fight against this gun-crazy pack of fools.

No more!

[IronLionZion]

60. MAGA folks wanted to spew falsehoods about it

like claiming it was transgender leftist illegal immigrants crossing the border to shoot up an American school. Even Paul Gosar tweeted out that nonsense. Qanon has an even dumber conspiracy involving deep state paying off the kid to do it so Biden can ban guns.

As for the police, yes DUers have pointed out that they are brown and from the community. This is not like some far flung suburban white cops like the George Floyd case.

Their official story is that they didn't know it was a mass shooting and thought it was a hostage situation. Which seems unlikely since those big guns are loud and this is America the land of mass shootings. The other story they have said is the local cops are not prepared for this sort of thing and waited an hour for BORTAC (the CBP tactical unit) to arrive. Those guys are trained killers and one of them took a bullet to kill the shooter. These are the commando units that Trump ordered to beat up and kidnap protestors in unmarked vans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BORTAC

[summer_in_TX]

67. There are definitely big chunks of missing information.

But I my first guess is that the root of it was inability to imagine a horror like that happening here. That I can relate to.

Poverty and education levels may play a role. It's a poorer area. Maybe they didn't invest well in equipment and training.

But something seems to be being covered up. Ineptitude? Cowardice?

[MerryHolidays]

69. Right-wingedness? nt

[Nixie]

71. Yes, largely. Hispanics are heavily Catholic, which seems pretty

right wing.

I did see what I took to be the Cover Your Ass of police work emerging, and there is no denying cops cover their asses, brown or otherwise.

[MerryHolidays]

75. I don't disagree, except for one thing: color, religion etc is not what's at issue

Nearly 20 little kids are now gone, and it is ALL because of the RWNJ obsession that anyone can own any weapon without any essentially any restrictions.

I agree that we need to see the real story about what the cops did/didn't do.

My heart is broken. But, today, I finally joined the fight to restrict the Second Amendment. I hope that is one way to remove these poor victims of Uvalde, Buffalo, etc.

ANYONE who posts a laughing emoji about this for any reason needs to reflect VERY carefully.

[Nixie]

79. Yes, agreed, I brought up Catholicism because of the recent

spam posts of one politician’s Tweet about the incumbent Cuellar and abortion and the recent primary in that area. The Catholicism explains why one-size-fits-all primary challengers can’t prevail in areas where they don’t understand cultural dynamics. Cuellar knows his district.

But, yes, it’s the gun culture in Texas that precipitated this. Totally agree.

Re:the laughing emoji. Some of the attacks have nothing to do with this thread and hark back to 2016.

[MerryHolidays]

85. Thank you for that illuminating post!

Putting aside those who find this funny, I would URGE every DUer to do what they can to stop this madness. There are a number of organizations out there that are like-minded. Also, write to your LOCAL officials to force them to make specific presentations to governing bodies as to what they are doing to stop school shootings.

I will not accept, for a single moment, that we are powerless. I confess to not having done anything, but I changed that today.

I AM OUTRAGED. And I am so sad for every victim and their families. Enough is enough.

[SMC22307]

74. 40% of the city's budget went to policing.

Have you seen the pic of their heavily-armed SWAT team? Looked like at least 10 members, IIRC. Where the hell were they?

[Shellback Squid]

78. the responders were brown

[GusBob]

80. These massacres seem to bring out the worst impulses

In everyone

Note the use and context of the word “attack” upthread

The children were attacked

We are unleashing the gunmens inner demons and fantasies upon one another

[SMC22307]

86. Nice ratio. (n/t)

[H2O Man]

91. Maria Butina

I think too many people have forgotten the Russian link to the NRA.

[RaDaR63]

96. LIHOP?

This is an embarrassment.

[AkFemDem]

100. Feeling foolish yet?

[Voltaire2]

101. Never.