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Sat May 28, 2022, 10:47 AM

Before massacre, Uvalde gunman frequently threatened teen girls online

In the aftermath of the deadliest school shooting in a decade, many have asked what more could have been done ó how an 18-year-old who spewed so much hate to so many on the Web could do so without provoking punishment or raising alarm.

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He could be cryptic, demeaning and scary, sending angry messages and photos of guns. If they didnít respond how he wanted, he sometimes threatened to rape or kidnap them ó then laughed it off as some big joke..

But the girls and young women who talked with Salvador Ramos online in the months before he allegedly killed 19 children in an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, rarely reported him. His threats seemed too vague, several said in interviews with The Washington Post. One teen who reported Ramos on the social app Yubo said nothing happened as a result.

Some also suspected this was just how teen boys talked on the Internet these days ó a blend of rage and misogyny so predictable they could barely tell each one apart. One girl, discussing moments when he had been creepy and threatening, said that was just ďhow online is.Ē

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/28/uvalde-shooting-gunmen-teen-girls/

What is the solution for this? I have nothing. Where is all this hate coming from in a person so young?

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Reply Before massacre, Uvalde gunman frequently threatened teen girls online (Original post)
Diamond_Dog May 28 OP
spooky3 May 28 #1
XanaDUer2 May 28 #3
patphil May 28 #4
XanaDUer2 May 28 #5
patphil May 28 #7
XanaDUer2 May 28 #8
obamanut2012 May 29 #14
usonian May 28 #2
Diamond_Dog May 28 #6
usonian May 28 #10
PSPS May 28 #9
niyad May 28 #11
Diamond_Dog May 29 #13
LeftInTX May 28 #12

Response to Diamond_Dog (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2022, 10:51 AM

1. The bigger question is why is there so much misogyny

Online, such that girls and women think they just have to put up with it? If it were rare, it would be a red flag.

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #1)

Sat May 28, 2022, 11:02 AM

3. When I worked in a public library

Women staff were threatened and harassed constantly. Administration attitude was just take it.

It's nauseating

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Response to XanaDUer2 (Reply #3)

Sat May 28, 2022, 11:23 AM

4. My wife's library unionized as a result of a creepy guy groping female librarians.

The library director didn't do anything about it, so the staff decided to organize for self defense.

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Response to patphil (Reply #4)

Sat May 28, 2022, 11:28 AM

5. Good

It pissed me off, since the admins were self-described liberals. I quit.

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Response to XanaDUer2 (Reply #5)

Sat May 28, 2022, 11:42 AM

7. The director was just a few years away from retirement, and didn't want to be bothered.

Fundamentally lazy, and just wanted to collect a pension and move on.

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Response to patphil (Reply #7)

Sat May 28, 2022, 11:44 AM

8. Our schmuck were

Afraid of being sued, by harassers.

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #1)

Sun May 29, 2022, 10:38 AM

14. They put up with it because they have to

And are told to learn to live with it.

Because of who runs the world. Men.

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Response to Diamond_Dog (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2022, 11:01 AM

2. Please read this post by brooklynite

https://democraticunderground.com/100216737897
'There's This Really Consistent Pathway': How Society Can Stop Mass Shooters Before They Act

It's a summary of a longer article, TOTALLY worth reading, at politico
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/27/stopping-mass-shooters-q-a-00035762
Two Professors Found What Creates a Mass Shooter. Will Politicians Pay Attention?

Mass shooters overwhelmingly fit a certain profile, say Jillian Peterson and James Densley, which means itís possible to ID and treat them before they commit violence.


Opinion: hate comes from societal "norms".
Hate has been "normalized".
For the motivation behind this, that's a bigger question.
You might read the following:

https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16739451
There's a pattern to all this.
I give some excellent references on the oligarchic plot to weaken government.
Short version is that chaos means weak government, and that means little or no regulation of oligarchs. Period.

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Response to usonian (Reply #2)

Sat May 28, 2022, 11:40 AM

6. That's good information, thank you.

In a perfect world, each school would have a school psychologist and troubled kids would get the help they need. I get that. But Ö.

Would it create even more stigma for the affected student if everyone knew he was regularly seeing the school psychologist? Would all the other kids brand him as a psycho?

Or this scenarioÖ.

Kid comes from an abusive/dysfunctional home. Kid shows mental health problems in school. Red flags all over the place. Teacher flags him for session with school psychologist. Kid goes home,tells parents theyíre making him see a psychologist in school. Angry macho father storms down to the school and tells them how dare they single out his kid as a psycho and to discontinue counseling sessions this minute. No kid of mine is going to see some wussy shrink who will turn him into a snowflake. School canít continue sessions if parent vehemently opposes it. Kid probably gets beaten up when father gets home.

My husband is a retired high school teacher and he saw many of these kinds of parents during his career. My kid is never wrong. Itís the teacherís fault. Itís the schoolís fault. I pay your salary so you have to do what I say. Iíll give him something to cry about when I get home. Etc. etc.

And finally, these last two mass shooters had no prior run ins with the law, so they could legally buy automatic weapons upon turning 18. I donít know why the age to purchase canít be raised to 21. Itís a start. I know they just tried that in California and a judge ruled it was unconstitutional.
Another reckless ruling that will end lives, for sure.

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Response to Diamond_Dog (Reply #6)

Sat May 28, 2022, 10:46 PM

10. I hear you loud and clear.

Delayed reply.

Agree in the sense that schools are a microcosm of the surrounding culture, and nobody likes to be called out. I asked to go to a private high school because of the danger to smart kids, and that was the time of "Blackboard Jungle"

It was mostly college prep for senior foreign students, and no foolin around except after classes. There was a park nearby and one of the baseball teams was jovially the Yanqui Imperialistas. It was a blast being exposed to many different cultures in high school, and zero status seeking. Anti conformity in a way, and people got to express themselves. Headmaster was a former Navy Captain and the French teacher was pretty much a communist. Not to ramble, but kids need diversity, and as far as extra help, I think it should be across the board help, so kids don't get "stamped", but I don't run things.

More later, if I can focus on your points. Was super busy today, and sunset might be a good one.

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Response to Diamond_Dog (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2022, 12:07 PM

9. "One girl ... said that was just 'how online is.'"

That's the underlying fact here and it has been almost since the beginning of the Internet. Want to cut the online threats and harassment? Eliminate anonymous posting. Want to cut bulk spam email? Charge an insignificant fee for each message like 1/10 of a cent. It's certainly not an intractable problem. But there's too much money to be made by not taking such steps.

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Response to Diamond_Dog (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2022, 10:56 PM

11. and the WAR ON WOMEN continues apace. Would you consider cross-posting this in

Women's Rights And Issues? Thanks in advance.

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Response to niyad (Reply #11)

Sun May 29, 2022, 10:23 AM

13. Done!

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Response to Diamond_Dog (Original post)

Sat May 28, 2022, 11:19 PM

12. He was messed up

I saw his mother's BF and that guy is a twitching tweaker

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