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As audiences take in Cruises latest hit, Top Gun: Maverick, top Scientology reporter Tony Ortega looks back on how the star became the Church of Scientologys Maverick.
Tony Ortega
Published May. 28, 2022 11:34PM ET
With Top Gun: Maverick debuting in theaters this week, Tom Cruise is available to the press again, which explains why I was seeing video of James Corden at 5 a.m. on a tarmac waiting to join Cruise in his personal jet aircraft.
The Late Late Show hosts antics on Cruises plane delivered the intended effect: Tom as cooler-than-you pilot really is like the superheroes he plays in the movies.
But for me, it had another connotation.
Seeing Cruise pilot his aircraft, I couldnt help thinking of something Marc Headley told me several years ago.
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more at link
SergeStorms
(19,902 posts)the popularity of Cruise.
And don't even get me started on scientology.
Wounded Bear
(63,746 posts)SergeStorms
(19,902 posts)why it's considered a religion (except for the thousands of lawsuits they brought against the IRS, who just threw up their hands and quit).
They're organized crime as far as I can see.
localroger
(3,776 posts)L. Ron Hubbard was pretty slick about it. There is nothing within the belief system or practices of Scientology that isn't found in some other system that nobody doubts is a religion. For legal purposes, "I know it when I see it" doesn't cut it. The reason they won all those lawsuits is that Hubbard built something carefully designed to fit any possible definition of religion that doesn't also kick out a bunch of things we already classify without question as religions.
anarch
(6,536 posts)On the other hand, you could say the same thing about a lot of organized religions (with a whole swathe of them in the U.S. basically being thinly veiled mechanisms to keep white supremacy in place on top of all that), and I think some of the "self-actualization" or self-hypnosis techniques or whatever you want to call them in Scientology are actually pretty effective.
localroger
(3,776 posts)It would only be a Ponzi scheme if it were returning monies to its "investors" with interest, and covering that interest with the dues of new members. That's not at all what it's doing, since all the members get for their investment is a sense of spiritual something or other.
On the other hand it is sold as a "science of the mind" which can help you through stress and psychological difficulties. (In fact the original version was a little too scientific-sounding, and L. Ron had to mix in a bit more metaphysical bullshit to get it to pass muster as a religion.) Then after a few years and a few tens of thousands of dollars you learn that there is an absolutely ridiculous creation myth which you can hardly even talk about among those who haven't got the memo without feeling like an idiot.
More details: https://www.xenu.net/archive/leaflet/ Also lots of other good info about how the cult works at Operation Clambake.
jimfields33
(19,382 posts)But that movie was awesome! Went yesterday and I highly recommend it.
rockfordfile
(8,742 posts)localroger
(3,776 posts)I know it's not popular to say this in some circles, but Cruise makes pretty good movies, partly because he's good at picking projects that showcase his abilities well. (In this manner he's a lot like Sylvester Stallone, Arnold Schwarzenegger, or Dwayne Johnson, none of whom seems like acting talent at first glance.) Edge of Tomorrow is one of the best movies made in recent years, and I'll be seeing TG:M today partly because it's getting very good reviews.
This of course has nothing to do with his personal or religious life. One can be a great actor or an inspirational public personality while being an absolute shit in private. And Scientology treats its celebrity members very differently from the cog-level schmoos who basically end up enslaved as they try to pay for auditing and other procedures.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Bayard
(28,322 posts)I'm guessing even more implausible than the first one.
Torchlight
(6,264 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Tom Cruise has outdone himself. Paramount/Skydances Top Gun: Maverick buzzed the tower in 62 international box office markets this weekend, landing with a $124M debut. This includes previews and is the best overseas launch ever for a Tom Cruise movie on a like-for-like basis, surpassing Mission: Impossible Fallout by 28%. With domestic through Sunday, the global total is $248M.
Cheezoholic
(3,502 posts)a full blown sexual predator period. Scientology enables this sick fuck in his fetish of young women. He needs to go to prison.
UTUSN
(76,657 posts)Cheezoholic
(3,502 posts)hes a sick fuck to the 10th degree. He belongs in prison.
HAB911
(10,241 posts)is giving money to Scientology
Mike Nelson
(10,888 posts)... good for the people who got out of the cult. I thought he was involved/indebted more than a "true believer" but maybe I was wrong.
localroger
(3,776 posts)They treat celebrities quite differently than low-level schmoos partly because those celebrities lose their value if they get too weird or unable to continue successfully in their public careers. (Not that Cruise isn't weird, but I think he would have been weird even without Scientology.) Supposedly he felt like an idiot when the OT III material was revealed, which is a rather sensible way to feel but most ordinary members who get to that point are so invested in the whole thing that the absurdity does not deter them. Apparently Cruise wasn't quite so heavily indoctrinated and required a "pep talk" about how all religions are basically metaphors and he should just roll with it a bit, etc. And I guess it worked.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Ive never been a big fan, though I think hes done a good job in a couple of movies.
shrike3
(5,370 posts)Meowmee
(9,212 posts)Are bsc and the leaders are con artists/ abusers, this has been well documented.
If anyone said anything about any of this to suck me in or at any point had I been stupid enough to go to any events etc. I would be laughing my gda off at them and run fast.
I had forgotten just how crazy they are, my brother was telling me about it and I read some of the linked articles about Nicole Kidmans training before I was blocked by a paywall.
It is mind boggling how many people get sucked into this crap- it reads like a bad sci fi novel.
The fact that they bullied or maybe bribed the irs into giving them tax exempt status says a lot about the state of this country.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu
In Scientology, Xenu (/ˈziːnuː/),[1][2][3] also called Xemu, was the dictator of the "Galactic Confederacy" who brought billions[4][5] of his people to Earth (then known as "Teegeeack"
in DC-8-like spacecraft 75 million years ago, stacked them around volcanoes, and killed them with hydrogen bombs. Official Scientology scriptures hold that the thetans (immortal spirits) of these aliens adhere to humans, causing spiritual harm.[1][6]
These events are known within Scientology as "Incident II",[7] and the traumatic memories associated with them as "The Wall of Fire" or "R6 implant". The narrative of Xenu is part of Scientologist teachings about extraterrestrial civilizations and alien interventions in earthly events, collectively described as "space opera" by L. Ron Hubbard. Hubbard detailed the story in Operating Thetan level III (OT III) in 1967, warning that the "R6 implant" (past trauma)[8] was "calculated to kill (by pneumonia, etc.) anyone who attempts to solve it".[8][9][10]
Within the Church of Scientology, the Xenu story is part of the church's secret "Advanced Technology",[7] considered a sacred and esoteric teaching,[11] which is normally only revealed to members who have completed a lengthy sequence of courses costing large amounts of money.[12] The church avoids mention of Xenu in public statements and has gone to considerable effort to maintain the story's confidentiality, including legal action on the grounds of copyright and trade secrecy.[13] Officials of the Church of Scientology widely deny or try to hide the Xenu story.[14][15] Despite this, much material on Xenu has leaked to the public via court documents and copies of Hubbard's notes that have been distributed through the Internet.[14] In commentary on the impact of the Xenu text, academic scholars have discussed and analyzed the writings by Hubbard and their place within Scientology within the contexts of science fiction,[16] UFO religions,[17] Gnosticism[18][19] and creation myths.[11]