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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLawyer: Uvalde teacher did not leave door open that gunman used to enter school
Link to tweet
https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Uvalde-teacher-open-door-shooter-17209972.php
No paywall
https://archive.ph/CZzpk
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She kicked the rock away when she went back in. She remembers pulling the door closed while telling 911 that he was shooting. She thought the door would lock because that door is always supposed to be locked.
Messages were left Tuesday seeking comment from the Texas Department of Public Safety.
A law enforcement source familiar with the investigation said surveillance video and audio verifies the teacher removed the rock holding the door open and closed it.
She slammed it shut, said the source, who requested anonymity because the source does not have authority to speak with the media.
Both Flanary and the source said a person exiting through the door might not be able to tell if it was locked.
The source said investigators are trying to determine if the door was unlocked earlier or if its lock was not working because the gunman used the same door to get into the school, go down the hallways and into adjacent rooms 111 and 112. The rooms were full of fourth-graders, where he took advantage of a delayed police response and shot and killed his victims.
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SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)"Clearly the problem is those rocks that teachers use to prop doors open, even if in this case she didn't.
We must ban all rocks!!"
Coming soon to a Fox TV near you!
montanacowboy
(6,712 posts)I heard that someone said the teacher Opened the door, and I heard that and thought, ok let's blame the teachers.
The police force of this town is totally corrupt and lily livered cowards, they are to blame and I hope they get their comeuppance.
In It to Win It
(12,645 posts)on CNN. This is second hand through one of the producers that spoke to the child.
Nanuke
(924 posts)Shooter shot the classroom door window to gain access, not the outside door according to what I have read.
In It to Win It
(12,645 posts)incomplete info if that's the case.
I was under the impression, from everything I've read and listened to so far, once the shooter got through the fence onto school grounds, he was able to get to the classroom. I was unaware that he had to to through a door into the school and then from that point, into the classroom. I was under the impression that the classroom doors led to exterior corridors or hallways, which would be vulnerable to anyone once they get past the school's fence.
When I first read about the door being kept open with a rock, I thought they were talking about the actual classroom door and not an entrance to the school.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)have doors in classrooms that lead outside. I will wait to hear what the investigation shows instead of listening to all the different tales.
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rickford66
(6,065 posts)In It to Win It
(12,645 posts)under the impression that the classroom door was on the exterior leading out to an exterior corridor.
RAB910
(4,030 posts)thank God video is making it harder for them to lie (or more like get away with their lies) about what happened
spooky3
(38,623 posts)We were all witnesses to a heinous torture and murder. No ambiguity at all.
And the accessories should face justice too.
Probatim
(3,284 posts)The same people who tell you this won't impact you if you're not a criminal will be crying about privacy or the sensitive nature of these films. They'll work extra hard to prevent their release in the future.
Remember Rummy's comments about torture at Abu Ghraib - his outrage was about digital cameras, not the torture.
senseandsensibility
(24,934 posts)If it was Abbott, we know what the agenda was. Teachers are always the target of these freaks, even when they give their lives (unlike the manly cops with all the guns who are supposed to do it)
Nevilledog
(55,075 posts)It was such a firehose of lies from the get go.
senseandsensibility
(24,934 posts)the attention that the original allegation did. It was covered all over cable news, and unless it is corrected many will continue to believe it.
Nevilledog
(55,075 posts)SYFROYH
(34,214 posts)wryter2000
(47,940 posts)To clear that poor teacher.
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)She might not have lost her life, but her life could've been ruined if not for the video.
All because gun loving Republicans and cowardly cops wanted to cover their hides.
area51
(12,688 posts)Arazi
(8,887 posts)Novara
(6,115 posts)Jeebus.
DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)have a "duty to act" ???????????
blogslug
(39,161 posts)But the thought of the deranged crap Ted Cruz will say now that his great door theory has fallen apart, I can't breathe.
wryter2000
(47,940 posts)How many kids would die in fires?
lkinwi
(1,530 posts)My friends and I were texting about it. One figured that it was a lie to blame teachers and that certainly seems to be the case. 😡🤬 Im so happy that theres video and audio and that the Feds are involved in the investigation.
MagickMuffin
(18,316 posts)He shouldn't have had the opportunity to take advantage of a delayed police response so he could kill as many children quickly as possible.
IronLionZion
(51,241 posts)Lock the kids inside so they can die in a fire!
Anything except guns
Republicans are mentally ill and dangerous, so we should take away their guns.
wryter2000
(47,940 posts)And the same for every state legislature and governor's office. We need to castrate them politically. It's been done in a couple of states already.
Hateful, cruel monsters.
towerbum
(263 posts)I can be done !
wryter2000
(47,940 posts)I wish the times were happier to welcome you.
towerbum
(263 posts)mcar
(46,048 posts)AngryOldDem
(14,180 posts)Iggo
(49,921 posts)groundloop
(13,832 posts)At this point I don't really give a flying fuck over some damned rock that may or may not have been propping a door open.
All that really matters is that a young punk was able to legally purchase military weapons which were used to murder innocent children, and the fact that this has happened far far too many times over the years and absolutely NOTHING is being done about it because the GQP is beholden to gun manufacturers.
Lasher
(29,571 posts)The killer knew it. There was a lady who was handcuffed, who was then released. She went through that door to rescue her own kids. She knew that door would be unlocked. This is my opinion.
Nevilledog
(55,075 posts)Lasher
(29,571 posts)A Texas mother of two students at Robb Elementary School pushed past a police line and jumped a fence, rescuing her two children during Tuesday's mass shooting in Uvalde, according to The Wall Street Journal.
Angeli Rose Gomez, a farm supervisor working nearby who has children in second and third grade at Robb, told the Journal that she drove 40 miles to the school when she heard about the shooting, only to see an apparent lack of response from law enforcement as the gunman barricaded himself in a classroom.
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According to The Journal, Gomez was put in handcuffs by federal marshals for "intervening in an active crime scene," as she and other parents demanded officers enter the school. Gomez persuaded Uvalde law enforcement officers to release her, and she moved away from the crowd.
Gomez then hopped the school fence, sprinted inside the school to grab her children and made it out of the school with them alive.
https://sports.yahoo.com/mother-handcuffed-outside-texas-school-202952406.html
It was the same door the killer had used.
Nevilledog
(55,075 posts)If this door was "known" to be open, why would the teacher put a rock to prop it open, and why wouldn't she lock it since the shooter was already outside?
Also, where does it say it was the same door?
Lasher
(29,571 posts)How did he know that door was unlocked? It appears that he did.
That teacher didn't know that the door was unlocked. I didn't say everybody knew, just some did.
I said she used the same door that the killer had used to get in. That is conjecture on my part. We will eventually find out if I'm right about that.
bringthePaine
(1,806 posts)OverBurn
(1,292 posts)gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)Also f*ck them for their victim blaming. Unbelievable.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Paladin
(32,354 posts)Fucking own it, Uvalde law enforcement! Own it ALL!
Simeon Salus
(1,635 posts)Over time I have often worked with Texas public primary schools and they were the first state to harden doorways and make entrance to outsiders very difficult. I know some of these people well and even they wouldn't let me in without handing in my DL and them buzzing me in.
It is not unusual to prop a door for a moment, but to leave it propped open isn't likely to happen. Cameras and speakers at every entrance. Teachers are necessarily careful about such things and visitors are rarely trusted with such responsibilities. Abbott and the Texas DPS have been feeding us false narrative throughout and this is another crack in the wall.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,665 posts)The attempt to blame the teacher is bullshit
Link to tweet
https://hillreporter.com/uvalde-teachers-lawyer-contradicts-police-over-key-piece-of-evidence-in-robb-elementary-massacre-132653
But according to the San Antonio Express-News, the teachers lawyer says she closed the door shut after she was informed an active shooter was on the loose.
The teenager killed 19 children and two teachers with an assault weapon he was able to obtain legally and easily as soon as he turned 18. He was also apparently allowed to pay off the AR-15 he used on a payment plan. The teacher, who remains unidentified, called 911 to report an accident near the school involving a black truck, which later turned out to belong to the gunman, who had also shot his grandmother, said the teachers lawyer, Don Flanary. He added that the teacher propped open the door around the time the gunman crashed his truck, and that the teacher also called 911, but said he wants to make clear that the door was not left propped open and the teacher is not to blame for the shooters access to the building.
She saw the wreck, Flanary said. She ran back inside to get her phone to report the accident. She came back out while on the phone with 911. The men at the funeral home yelled, He has a gun! She saw him jump the fence, and he had a gun so she ran back inside. She kicked the rock away when she went back in. She remembers pulling the door closed while telling 911 that he was shooting. She thought the door would lock because that door is always supposed to be locked. Security video confirms the teacher removed the rock holding the door open and closed it.
barbtries
(31,306 posts)this fucking bullshit - they're throwing smoke bombs.
Gawd it enrages me as if she isn't suffering enough?!
OMGWTF
(5,130 posts)FTP
Ohioboy
(3,891 posts)It never dawns on them to try and keep the gun out of the bad guy's hands.