Where would you like to live, Canada or USA?

[Kid Berwyn]

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau froze handgun sales in order to prevent his nation from becoming an armed madhouse.

While I won’t abandon or betray my country, the United States, I would rather have it also become a handgun (and, hopefully, assault weapon) free zone.

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[katmondoo]

1. A lot of relatives on my fathers side came from Canada, many still there.

[Kid Berwyn]

27. After the Revolution, my ancestors took two roads.

The Loyalists headed to English-speaking Canada.

The Patriots stayed.

[Johnny2X2X]

2. I love Canada

But my family and job are here in MI, I am staying.

I've spent a lot of time in Canada, truly amazing people and a great place to live.

[Kid Berwyn]

28. Absolutely great people and nation.

I live north of Canada, Detroit.

[Johnny2X2X]

29. I love Detroit too

Was there this weekend.

Been to Toronto perhaps 30 times. It's basically a safer and cleaner Chicago with friendlier people. One thing that always struck me about Canada is how the people there are more civic minded than in the US and political discussions are not forbidden in bars and restaurants like they are here. In fact, the average dive bar in Toronto is likely to have more informative and detailed discussions about American politics than any bar in America. Canadians seem to know this stuff matters for them to have a Democracy, they're more educated about theirs and our government.

[shrike3]

63. I grew up in the Detroit area.

Canada truly felt like a neighbor.

A fellow I used to know said, "When I go to the South, I feel like I'm in a foreign country. When I'm in Canada, I don't."

[bif]

71. Another Detroit here

Absolutely love Canada. When I cross the border into Windsor, my body does a sigh of relief. I just feel so much safer there. Wonderful country and the nicest people on the planet!

[Johnny2X2X]

73. Yeah, and Windsor isn't as friendly as the rest of Ontario towards Americans

Know people from Windsor, 19 year old Americans coming through the tunnel to raise hell and drink hasn't exactly been endearing. But they're still friendly.

I still get messages or calls from Canadian friends seemingly worried about what's going on in America. I think they're looking for me for reassurance, but I just give them the truth, "You are right to be worried, American democracy is under threat and if it goes, the extremists running the country will surely target Canada in one way or another."

[sinkingfeeling]

3. Canada does not welcome everyone to make a permanent move there.

[brooklynite]

7. Most countries don't...

...the folks who keep claiming that they're "about to leave" don't seem to realize this point.

[Kid Berwyn]

30. The wealthy are welcome.

Writing was on the Great Wall in 1986:

Immigration Incentive Package : Canada Seeking to Attract Rich Hong Kong Chinese

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-08-25-mn-16031-story.html

[Fiendish Thingy]

32. 1986? That type visa is severely limited now

Most immigrants (approx. 500,000/yr in a country of 38 million) enter on skilled worker, student, provincial nominee or family sponsorship visas.

[Kid Berwyn]

42. I'm just going by what I remember and can source...

For Hong Kongers, Canada is beaten path out of China’s grip

By Sarah Wu
Reuters, February 9, 2021

Excerpt…

Thanks to Canada's liberal immigration system, 335,646 Hong Kongers moved there between 1984 when Britain's handover was declared and 1997, according to the Canadian International Council think tank. That was most of the half-million exodus.

This time, Britain may take most Hong Kongers as it offers visas to potentially 300,000 people.

The flow to Canada may also be large, with existing Canadian passport-holders in Hong Kong from the first wave and new immigration pathways for the younger generation.

Snip…

In Richmond, a Vancouver suburb, 21.9% of residents counted Cantonese as their first language, followed by 20% for Mandarin, the main language in the rest of China, in a 2016 census.

Continues…

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canadas-hong-kong-diaspora-helps-new-arrivals-with-jobs-housing-psychotherapy-2021-07-04/

PS: The CBC reported one in five Canadians were born in other nations. I salute them and their welcoming countrymen.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-s-foreign-born-population-soars-to-6-8-million-1.1308179

[Fiendish Thingy]

45. Yes, the Vancouver area has a huge population of Hong Kong and mainland China immigrants

But they aren’t all wealthy economic visa holders.

Remember, before the handover in 1997, Hong Kong was a British territory; British commonwealth citizens can get expedited/preferential treatment to emigrate to other commonwealth countries.

Just trying to provide some clarity and perspective to your original claim regarding wealthy Chinese immigrants.

[Dorian Gray]

77. I taught in Hong Kong

from 1993-1997. Most of the students at the international school I worked at had lived in Canada (and the US/Australia, but mostly Canada) for a few years to get their visa prior to 1997. When they came back, they entered an international school rather than the local government schools.

They had all gotten their ducks in a row prior to the 1997 transition back to China.

Golden Visas still exist. Countries have minimum spends to get one. I am not sure where Canada is now, but it's one of the higher price point ones. Canada doesn't have a federal program, but the province of Quebec has one of the easiest investment profiles in the country for a golden visa opportunity. "Applicants must have acquired a $2.0 million Canadian dollar net worth, agree to invest $1,200,000 Canadian dollars for 5 years, show intention to reside in Quebec and have a minimum of two years’ management in a company during the last five years and have had a minimum of two full-time employees."


Not easy.

[Fiendish Thingy]

31. They are more welcoming of immigrants than the US

Canada actively seeks immigrants, unlike the US.

[PortTack]

37. Besides work requirements age is a big one too.

[shrike3]

61. Oh, definitely.

Any country where English is the primary language. And even in some countries where it is not.

Much easier to get into places like Panama or Mexico.

[IA8IT]

4. My Canadian relatives all live in the US. I lean towards vote for better leaders here. NOW!!!!!

[Kid Berwyn]

39. Excellent suggestion.

Relatively speaking:

It was Don Jr who told Texas whackos to "have some fun" with Kamala

US election: Don Jr told Trump supporters to ‘have some fun’ before Biden vehicles ‘rammed by armed group’

Trump’s eldest son called on supporters ‘get out there, have some fun’

by Gino Spocchia
The Independent, Oct. 31, 2020

A Biden campaign event was cancelled in Texas on Friday after reportedly coming under threat from armed Trump supporters, days after the president’s eldest son called on his father’s supporters to “get out there, have some fun”.

Don Jr posted a video earlier this week ahead of Democratic VP candidate, Kamala Harris, holding an event in Texas and urged his father’s supporters to show up.

He said: “It’d be great if you guys would all get together, head down to McAllen and give Kamala Harris a nice Trump Train welcome."

“Get out there, have some fun, enjoy it,” Mr Trump continued.

“Don’t forget to vote and bring all of your friends. Let’s show them how strong Texas still is as Trump country. Get out there, guys.”

Source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/donald-trump-jr-biden-bus-texas-kamala-harris-campaign-b1482882.html

[48656c6c6f20]

5. If the stars align

I'm going to be a digital nomad come December. First stop Argentina. I plan to only come back to GunMurka if I have to renew visa or whatever

[Kid Berwyn]

54. Workcation

Beats a staycation.

Be safe and enjoy your travels, 48656c6c6f20!

[shrike3]

64. Hear good things about Argentina.

Buenos Aires has been called (by some) the Paris of this hemisphere.

Safe travels.

[A HERETIC I AM]

6. New Zealand

South Island. In the hills north of Invercargill.

https://goo.gl/maps/46yPr3uM8uDhuDhV6

[brooklynite]

9. Unless you have a specific professional skill they need, they don't want you...

(my SIL moved there in 2011; I know how hard it is).

[A HERETIC I AM]

16. I once again looked into moving there shortly after Trumpy was elected.

I am quite familiar with their requirements and restrictions.

I knew 6 years ago that I couldn't emigrate there because of my age, my job skills and my health. If they somehow ran out of truck drivers, it might have made a small difference, but I am/was too old. If I had a large enough net worth so I wouldn't be a burden on their healthcare system, I could do it, but that is not the case.

So it remains a "If I won the lottery" kind of thing.

(I've been looking onto moving to Australia and New Zealand for years, as I lived in Aus in the 70's; I know how hard it its.)

[BannonsLiver]

49. Next time with more condescension, please.

[brooklynite]

50. Facts are condescending?

[BannonsLiver]

52. No, not the "facts"

[mitch96]

19. NZ is nice if you can afford it..If you don't have a skill they need you need a bucket load of cash

to move there. It's expensive from what I have read... Beautiful country..
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/18/more-people-leaving-new-zealand-than-entering-as-young-flee-high-cost-of-living

[A HERETIC I AM]

20. ....

I said as much in my post above.

[mitch96]

24. Yup, we are in the same boat...nt

[mucifer]

8. I feel tempted to go to Canada because I am a nurse and I can . But, I'm also a bit older and

set in my ways. They have a nursing shortage in Canada and do need nurses. If I was younger I might actually do it. I was talking with a friend in Toronto about how our non for profit hospice I work for got bought out by a for profit hospice and she was blown away at the idea of for profit hospice. I told her they thought they would impress us in the introduction meeting by telling us they were excited to enter "the Chicago marketplace". Too effing stupid to understand that chaplains, social workers, CNAs and nurses are not impressed with your "marketplace" and your shareholders. Oh and the top two tiers of the organization are ALL white men.

I get the feeling our health care is going to get worse.

[Kid Berwyn]

67. The National

Here in Detroit, hospitals have a serious staffing shortage. Everyone is overworked, many burned out, too many lost to COVID. The nursing staff has recruited heavily in Windsor. I don’t mind if they make more here or there. They’re helping save lives. God bless them all.

[Amishman]

10. I'm happy where I am, this is home

My roots are here in PA, I have a beautiful house and property, this is where my friends and family live, and simply put this is home.

I won't leave under any circumstances.

[Kid Berwyn]

68. Ben Franklin's adopted state.

Great, friendly people. Great ideas born there, too.



Pennsylvania is a wonderful place.

[luvs2sing]

11. I almost went to Canada in the 80s.

Just love it there. It always felt like home to me.

[wryter2000]

12. Oakland

But I wish the rest of the country had Oakland’s politics.

[CurtEastPoint]

13. France or Spain

[mnhtnbb]

22. When are we going house hunting?

[CurtEastPoint]

55. I swear I look at houses 2-3x/week!

[mnhtnbb]

59. I've given up the idea.

My last move did me in. From now on I'll have to be content at home feeding/watching the birds.

How would you ever move all your kitties?

[CurtEastPoint]

60. that a huge consideration!

[luv2fly]

14. It's not betrayal if you choose to leave the country

The betrayal is happening on the other side of the aisle.

[asa4ever]

15. I like where I live in Eastern North Carolina.

I live in a rural area that is mostly farms and forests.

[mnhtnbb]

21. I just drove Hwy 701 from Clinton to Hwy 17 to Charleston

instead of I 95. What a pleasant drive! There were times on the 2 lane 55 mph road there was no one in front of me, no one behind me and no one coming my way. Views of cornfields, trees, farms. Slightly rolling hills to plains. It did take about an hour longer to make the trip from Durham, but a lot of that was traffic getting into Charleston from the north side of the bridge.

I couldn't live that remote, but I enjoyed the drive and only saw one Impeach Biden sign. No pro Trump signs at all.

[haele]

17. British Columbia is like a second home, I still have friends there -

That being said, my first home and my job are still in California, and I will probably remain here, especially if the US goes to pot and the West Coast works to strike out on their own.
Just got to get the Liberatarian Asshole billionaires out of our politics. For all their money, they're amazingly stupid and child-like people, not fit for governing.

Haele

[mitch96]

18. Someplace warm, not hot with no flooding, no high winds... Near rural settings and some

culture thrown in.. Asking too much? where to go, where to go...
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[Celerity]

38. Aix-en-Provence

[mitch96]

41. Ok, you have twisted my arm...😁..I'll go, I'll go.. I had friends who lived there many moons ago

and loved it. The little town they were in had a bakery and the baker would let the
"grand-mères" put their stew's in the oven after he was done.. Low and slow bœuf bourguignon must be amazing... Oh and they raved about the Salade niçoise...
Sorry I love to cook and EAT!!
Ok now I have to learn un peu français,oui?
Tnx for the heads up...
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[mnhtnbb]

57. DU'er Gone Off Shore and wife

moved to Aix from Philly several years ago. He posts photos regularly.

[mitch96]

58. Tnx, I'll check it out..nt

[Bucky]

23. "I won't abandon my country"

I don't think emigrating to Canada is "betraying" America. That's a little too over the top for me. People should be free to move to any country where they think they'll live a better life. But moving ain't for me.

I think we take too many advantages that come with being American for granted. I'm still with Bill Clinton who said "There's nothing wrong with America that can't be fixed with what's right with America. We have huge problems, but we also have big hearts and the capacity for huge solutions.

[Fiendish Thingy]

33. Exactly. Do people who come to the US "betray" their home countries?

Or are they simply seeking a better life?

[sarisataka]

25. Where would I like to live...

I have always liked Iceland or Ireland. It has nothing to do with guns or violence and more with the scenery. However I am fine with living in the US.

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

26. Canada is too cold! The Great White North? No way, give me the beach, lol

[Fiendish Thingy]

34. Vancouver Island has beautiful beaches and the mildest weather in Canada

We still get snow in the winter, but not as much as the rest of Canada, and summers are generally nice (had two 4-5 day heatwaves in high 90’s/low 100’s last summer), but not Las Vegas type heat.

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

40. My sister lives in Bellingham WA, rain, rain, cold, rain, cold, I live in FL, 10 min from the beach

The hotter the better, gimmee heat, kayak, paddleboard, 85 degree water, love it.

I dont even own socks! lol

[Fiendish Thingy]

43. Bellingham has 85 degree water? I don't think so

The water temp on Maui tops out around 79 degrees in September, so I highly doubt Bellingham water gets to 85 (if it did, I would be snorkeling in its lush coral reefs, which it currently doesn’t have)

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

51. Wha? I said we have 85 degree water here in FL. Beaches are beautiful, been here 20 years

[Fiendish Thingy]

65. Yeah, but...it's Florida. Nt

[Polybius]

70. Mild weather sucks

I want at least 30 days over 90 in the Summer. Something similar to NYC. If Canada can do that, I stand corrected.

[Fiendish Thingy]

75. You might find that kind of weather in BC's interior, away from the coast. Nt

[area51]

35. At least in Canada you'd get healthcare as a basic human right. n/t

[Celerity]

36. I'm all good with where we are at (Sweden, & we can always go back to London, or anywhere in the EU)

Hard pass on the US again without a tonne of changes happening there, as well as already existing rights no longer be imperilled (gay marriage being a huge one, like fuck if we ever willingly move back if the Rethugs succeed in nationally outlawing it and thus invalidating ours).

I try to do my part by voting and mobilising people over here to vote, always for Democrats, of course. I also reach out online to American friends living in the US and always strive to motivate them as well.

The only place we would live in Canada is Vancouver, but there are plenty of other nations we would choose before Canada.

[Hekate]

44. California seems nice. Good thing I'm already here.

[Midnight Writer]

46. I'm too old, too poor, and too cranky to pick up and start again.

I live in a very Red area, but I personally get along fine here. I know the lay of the land, the people, the pitfalls, and nobody bothers me.

I worry about the future of our country, but to be honest, at this stage in my life, in my circumstances, the changes I fear are coming will have limited personal effect on me.

I'll do what I can, advocating for a greater good, voting, and trying to help folks out when I can.

Weak sauce, I know, but it's all I've got.

[former9thward]

47. The weather is miserable in Canada.

There is a reason the country is empty.

[Polybius]

48. Some like it hot

So USA.

[sarcasmo]

53. Newfoundland.

[Initech]

56. In the last couple of years, I have really started to not feel safe in this country.

Which is really sad, but the rampant mass shootings have just kept escalating and Congress is too chicken shit to stand up to the gun industry. Which means we keep having these same conversations over and over, and no one does anything, and things just keep getting worse. Ever since January 6th too, I really haven't felt safe here either. I really fear what's going to happen in the 2024 election.

[Kaleva]

62. Climate change will be a world wide catastrophe. There's no place to run to.

Survivability will be more likely in some areas more then others but one needs to research that.

[Elessar Zappa]

66. I chose Canada because I'm so pissed at this country right now.

In truth, I don’t know if I’d enjoy Canada because I’ve never been there.

[PasadenaTrudy]

69. I'm staying in California n/t

[SKKY]

72. I lived in Spain for 17 years. I wouldn't mind going back at some point.

[Xavier Breath]

74. Canada, and it's not even close.

Unfortunately, the wife and I are not what they're looking for.

[Rhiannon12866]

76. I live in Northeastern New York, a lot closer to Canada than New York City

It's beautiful country, and a "blue state," though we currently have a Republican Rep that really has to go.

[Silent3]

78. Canada, hands down, if they'd take me (which they won't)

I've even got skills as a software engineer Canada would want, but I'm too old and too close to retirement. The same is true, and more so, for New Zealand, which I'd like even better.

Quite often, however, I wish I could choose a whole different planet. Too many idiots and/or nasty people on this planet, regardless of the country that you choose.

[Raine]

79. USA 🇺🇲 most definitely

I think no matter what this country is the best. No other place anywhere that I'd rather live.