I don't care if if a teacher left a door open or closed the door and it didn't lock.

[kacekwl]

What I care about is an 18year old boy purchased 2 killing machines and enough ammo to murder a small town with absolutely no questions asked. I care that police stood by while children were killed one after another. I care about a governor who signed legislation making guns readily available to pretty much anyone. There are a lot of people to blame for this but trying to blame teachers is weak and cowardly.

[hlthe2b]

1. I care that those who want to do NOTHING are blaming a TEACHER for all this!

and initially, much of the MSM (and probably ALL of RW media) LET THEM!

[delisen]

4. Exactly. We should not have to live in a war zone. Nt

[Magoo48]

42. This "Teacher" episode is a good example of just how fucking low life local law enforcement and

and politicians right up the ladder can be.

[BaronChocula]

49. Not politicians...

It's Republicans. Don't glom Democrats in with white nationalist obstructionists.

[BComplex]

59. Amen.

Just A fucking men!

[Diamond_Dog]

2. I know

Too many knuckleheads are missing the big picture here, blaming the teacher

[LakeArenal]

14. Purposely missing the picture.

That’s so maddening.

[Rebl2]

23. Exactly!

They are focusing on the wrong thing on purpose 😖

[FSogol]

3. Why even entertain RW talking points and a desperate attempt to blame teachers?

[SYFROYH]

5. I care because the local police may have fabricated a scenario that it was propped open by teachers.

We now know the door was closed by the teachers, but it failed to lock. I'll be interested to see if this door problem was known to the administration and if they failed to have it fixed. It is important to know if the shooter was aided by school malfeasance.

He signed into law permitless carry which still prohibits people from carrying guns if they are not allowed to possess guns, but non-prohibited people don't need to do the paperwork or receive training to carry a firearm.

I don't think the laws that Abbott signed affected the purchase of these AR-15s.

[karynnj]

46. The teacher clearly assumed the door locked when closed -- if she thought otherwise, no need to prop

it open. I assume the doors open from the inside -- which is good in case of fire. The only way to test if the doors actually lock would be to go out, close the door and try to open it.

One question is how often (if there were any scheduled checks) the maintenance people checked to see that all were properly locked.

[BigmanPigman]

54. That's what the doors at the schools I taught

were like. You had to lock and unlock them from the outside. After I mentioned this to 2 separate principals who were unaware of this feature they made some changes in the emergency plan. If a teacher needs to lock a door from the outside the teacher is in the shooter's vision and could get killed locking it. But if it locks on the inside and the shooter somehow gets into the class, like this last murderer, he is able to lock it and barricade himself in with the class. I'm not sure what the answer is now.

[LiberalFighter]

48. If the admin knew the door locking failed..

Wouldn't that mean the school police knew too?

[SYFROYH]

52. Not necessarily.

A school might have a work order program that goes to staff and the school police might not know.

It should, but...

[LiberalFighter]

55. Wouldn't part of their job be knowing their territory

which would include reviewing entry points?

[Emile]

6. Like I said: They blame the victims, and never the gun.

[Half-step]

7. This, exactly.

Besides, the lock would not have stopped someone armed with an assault rifle and cruel intentions.

Not for a minute, and certainly not for an hour.

[MadMike47]

8. The cops were cowards.

[luvtheGWN]

58. Just imagine your house is on fire

and the firefighters were called but refused to enter your burning house in case they died trying to put the fire out? When I think of the Uvalde police standing around waiting for reinforcements, I think of my nephew the firefighter and his colleagues. Unreel the hoses and run in to save the occupants and then stay in the house to keep the fire from spreading.

Big difference.

[Maine Abu El Banat]

9. Back in the day

Before schools had AC. Every door in the school would be open in late May and June. It's not open doors, it's a deeply sick society. It's gun obsession, a deeply perverted obsession.

[jaxexpat]

10. Of all the low-life horseshit going on around this thing,

intimating that somehow schoolteachers are legitimate blame targets fo a mass murder of children is purely, only and simply deflection of the dumbest (or most vile) kind. Have we all simply lost our outrage over the fact that assault style rifles are available across the counter to anyone with the cash (or plastic will do fine)?

[housecat]

11. If bartenders can be held responsible for serving drunk patrons, what about gun sellers?

[SammyWinstonJack]

15. +1000000!

[localroger]

20. Too bad the distillers didn't think of lobbying Congress

...and getting a nifty shield law to specifically protect them from such liability, as the gun manufacturers have done.

[dchill]

12. In Texas, guns are in far more availability...

...than courage.

[uponit7771]

13. AMEN!! AND AMEN!!

[towerbum]

17. all school's need to go viral till safety can be assured !

states should be held responsible for safety of kid's !

[Hekate]

19. Then all schools would be closed & who does that serve? Be serious.

[towerbum]

21. you got a better idea ? love to hear it ?

[Hekate]

29. It's basically a RW idea. They hate public schools & have been trying to defund them for 40 years

[IronLionZion]

30. GOP likes people to be heavily armed and uneducated

[Hekate]

36. Yes they do. I remember the whoop-de-doo over charter schools, which took money from...

…already underfunded public schools. Next the idea was to give public school money to private schools as well.

School choice my rosy Irish ass. Those categories of school don’t have to take anyone they don’t want to. The whole point of public schools is to educate everyone so that the country has an educated population.

People who want their kids to be in a religious school can send them to one — and people with enough money for an elite school can also send their kids to one. Nothing but their own pocketbook stops them, and the social contract has always been that our tax money goes to public education for all kids, not the precious snowflakes of those who don’t want to rub elbows with the masses.

If we destroy that (and the RW wants us to) then public schools become the last resort of the poor, the disabled, and those whose differences make them difficult to handle.

[towerbum]

40. you made a very damn good point !

I've been only following politics for about 3 yrs ! Already fed up with dead weight politicians ! MAINLY the republican Taliban & Scotus !

[Initech]

16. Yeah don't let them distract you or change the narrative!

We have to hammer the fact that this gun and all of the ammo was purchased legally and was used for senseless murder. None of the other bullshit matters. And the right wing can fuck off with their "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!!!" bullshit.

[jmowreader]

32. Especially...

…since the Second Amendment has been “infringed” repeatedly and the courts have upheld it. Try going to your local gun dealer and trying to buy a Carl Gustav antitank rocket launcher, a .50-caliber machine gun or an M198 howitzer - all weapons suitable for a well-regulated militia but at the same time weapons the general public has no business in owning. I can’t even tell the cops I want the howitzer for my private avalanche-clearing business and have them believe me, and howitzers are routinely used by the Forest Service for that very thing.

We also need to come to terms with the reality that the party who keeps saying “the Second Amendment is there to stop the government from tyranny” is the party who wants to institute tyranny in America.

[Initech]

38. I know, right?

I cringe when I see them put on those "'MURICA! FREEDOM!" rah rah rallies and displays, because I really know their true intentions are the exact opposite of that.

[towerbum]

18. just hold the RNC responsible !

I know it won't happen ! The law say's that people are responsible for their action's , the include's - threat's & running your mouth like the media ?

[IronLionZion]

22. Mass shootings happen in unlocked grocery stores, churches, theaters, open air concerts

Shootings must have something else in common. Can't quite put my finger on it. hmm...

[appalachiablue]

24. ++

[halfulglas]

25. The other fact that matters is the LIE told by the police

About the "door left open by a teacher." The police cover up is one lie after another instead of saying, "Yeah, we really F---ed this one up."

[NCjack]

26. Assault rifle vs. door lock? AR can blast that door open in seconds, if the murder is

determined to get in the school.

[Akoto]

27. Honestly, I was born in 1985, and I don't remember locked down schools.

From elementary, to middle, to high school. You wanted to walk in, you could walk in. Of course, doors had locks, but it was mostly staff areas which were kept locked to keep us students out. Are all schools locked down like fortresses now?

[pwb]

28. Puke playbook 101

It is the leaker not the leak. It is the door not the shitty cops fault. It is what they do, Invent diversions from the truth because truth harms them.

[Shoonra]

31. It's a red herring ....

That "unlocked door" argument is a red herring; that kid was carrying enough firepower to blow away the lock and take the door off its hinges.

And the previous big mass shooting was at a supermarket, and the one last year was at a church -- what kind of locked doors were they supposed to have?

Building schools as if they were maximum security prisons is not the answer. The answer is doing something about assault rifles.

[dlk]

33. The locked/unlocked door is a straw man distraction

Teachers should be able to focus on teaching, not countering violent gun assaults. Classrooms are not armed combat/war zones, no matter how much Republicans want to create them.

[wryter2000]

34. Thank you

We need to put the emphasis back where it belongs.

[LisaM]

35. [phone]

I'm tired of teachers taking the blame for everything. I only wish I could find a way to agree with this more.

[Handler]

37. Ban assault weapons now

[towerbum]

41. how about yesterday!

[Paladin]

39. Nobody could put it better than you have. Thanks so much. (nt)

[Liberal In Texas]

43. Good rant. n/t

[leftyladyfrommo]

44. I read that there is a video of the teacher pulling the

door closed behind her.

[AleksS]

45. And that's such garbage even it was true.

We SHOULD be able to have our doors open on a hot summer day. We shouldn't have to live in fear all the time. For people always concerned about "our freedumbs!" the GOP apparently wants us to live in 24/7 lockdown, (unless there's a pandemic of the virus type, then we should all be out and about).

[avebury]

47. There is evidence that she did not leave the door open.

She kicked the rock away and the door closed. She anticipated that the door would be locked when it closed because the door was always supposed to lock upon closing.

[BaronChocula]

50. Neither the teacher nor the door shot 38 people with an AR-15 n/t

[blueinredohio]

51. If the cops were in the hallway

they had to hear gun shots and screams. How could you think the killer was just barricaded in a room? Unbelievable!!!

[Mariana]

53. I don't care about that either.

I do care that the cops keep lying.

[yardwork]

56. DU REC.

[AlexSFCA]

57. when has a locked door ever stopped a mass shooting?

it’s an elementary school not a high security prison.

[Initech]

60. And if they designed schools with one entrance like they are proposing...

People would be trapped like sardines if a shooter were to actually get through. Holy shit, these are some stupid fucks.

[Shoonra]

61. Even if ....

Even if schools had doors as solid as bank vaults that would only change the situation a very tiny bit.

Other school shootings have taken place outdoors when the kids were released for recess or to go home.

And this does absolutely nothing about the shootings at churches, grocery stores, restaurants, theaters, etc.

The solution is not solid steel doors, the solution is some sort of regulation on what kind of guns are available and who gets to have them.

Considering this country has more guns than people, no proposal is going to guarantee 100% safety but at least we can eliminate the guns that cause the most damage.

[BrightKnight]

62. If schools had card access doors like businesses then

They would always be looked down. Also, the magnetic locks could be immediately Locked or unlocked centrally from any Internet or intranet connected device.

Also, with badge access the location of every child could be known.


Every building I have worked in for decades has had badge access doors. Doing this in a school would not be at all difficult.

[Blue_Adept]

67. Just put tracking chips in the kids. Even easier.

[BrightKnight]

68. RF ID tags/fobs/cards are dirt cheap and the door lock system

Is very cheap too. That is why business use them.

As you suggested, you can have an RF ID like they put in pets injected in your hand but most parents would not want anything to do with that. It might be a good for emergency access to medical records. I would be if you could start your car or pay for groceries using your hand.

Access cards/fobs are the whole answer but the default state of the doors in the building would be locked. It would be a much harder target.

[Aussie105]

63. It's not the existence of matches.

It's not the existence of an unstable person with murder in mind.

It's not the existence of gasoline.

But put them all together, and a fire is going to happen.

Not too hard to understand, is it?

If you have a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.

If you have an AR-15, everything starts to look like a target.

Gosh!

I wonder what the solution is!
Oh yeah, locked doors that aren't! Not enough armed teachers!

[Roy Rolling]

64. Good News

When I heard that story a few days ago it didn’t register that they were trying to blame a teacher.

Clueless I was, but having heard crazy Cruz rant about the one door solution, I assumed the school had multiple doors the shooter could have entered.

Propagandists need to coordinate their stories better, the “blame the teacher” angle was weak.

Effin’ morons they are.

[Snoopy 7]

65. hold on think!

Ok let's slow down and think. First they are saying that the door didn't lock, while there is a video that shows the teacher pulling the door closed to make sure it was locked. Second if the door didn't lock why did the "good guys with a gun" need a KEY to get into the school?????

[cannabis_flower]

66. You know ....

Students sometimes prop those doors open too. Do we absolutely know it was even a teacher?