Trump may owe his 2016 victory to 'fake news,' new study suggests

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Thomas Graves
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In Ohio in 2016, 10% of former Obama voters cast ballots for Trump in 2016, 4% switched to minor parties and 8% did not vote.

What accounts for these defections?

The answer: Russian propaganda and disinformation on social media.

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Trump may owe his 2016 victory to 'fake news,' new study suggests
Yes, votes are cast based on many factors. But a new survey and analysis suggests that belief in fake news could have been decisive during the 2016 election.
8:48 PM · May 31, 2022

https://theconversation.com/trump-may-owe-his-2016-victory-to-fake-news-new-study-suggests-91538

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Study methodology and results

Our survey asked 281 questions, including three false statements best characterized as fake news – two negative statements about Hillary Clinton and one positive statement about Donald Trump. All three were widely disseminated through social media and spread by mainstream and partisan news outlets.

The first is that “Hillary Clinton is in very poor health due to a serious illness.” Twenty-five percent of all survey respondents believed that this was “definitely true” or “probably true,” as did 12 percent of our former Obama supporters.

The second is a statement that asked our respondents if they believed that “During her time as U.S. secretary of state, Hillary Clinton approved weapon sales to Islamic jihadists, including ISIS.” Thirty-five percent of our national sample believed that Clinton had sold weapons to the Islamic State, as did 20 percent of former Obama voters.

Finally, the third is a statement that “Pope Francis endorsed Donald Trump for president prior to the election.” About 10 percent of our national sample and 8 percent of Obama supporters thought this statement was true.

Belief in these fake news stories is very strongly linked to defection from the Democratic ticket by 2012 Obama voters. Among respondents who didn’t believe any of the fake news stories, 89 percent cast ballots for Hillary Clinton in 2016. Sixty-one percent of those who believed one fake news item voted for Clinton. But only 17 percent of those who believed two or all three of these false assertions voted for Clinton.

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[we can do it]

1. This is news?

[Botany]

10. "This is news?"

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Facebook paid a 5 billion $ fine for rat fucking the 2016 election.

[BigmanPigman]

11. I remember her very well.

I'm still pissed off over it and also how this woman thought is was one big, fun joke. I think she is proud of being an asshole.

[we can do it]

12. And we still have people here defending a main tool in destroying our country.

[hlthe2b]

2. What percentage of those voters deeply regret it today?

[musette_sf]

3. NO 💩 SHERLOCK

that is all

[JohnSJ]

4. He owes his victory to Comey, the MSM pushing the lie that the email investigation was reopened,

and self-identified progressives saying the SC didn’t matter, and they were tired of voting for the “lesser of two evils”

All false flags

[Budi]

5. "Burn it all down!".."They're both the same!".."free shit"

Misogyny
The mass messaging of hate.

*Select 1 of the 3 choices:
A. "Women's rights are Human rights"...
B. "Moved on her like a b---", "Grab them by the -p---"
C. "Rape Fantasies"

[JohnSJ]

8. Pretty much the crap that was going around

[TiberiusB]

14. Really, going back 50 years to smear Bernie Sanders?

Below are four quotes and one context free smear from an essay published in 1972. Which one clearly represents Bernie Sanders in 2016?

-“At rallies in Vermont and across the country this weekend, our message was clear. We are not going back. Not only are we not going to retreat on women's rights, we are going to expand them. We are going forward, not backward.”

-"Not only are we going to expand policies that advance gender equality, we are going to fight to pass the long-overdue Equal Rights Amendment and vigorously defend the critical laws and programs which protect all working people in our country."

-“The right wing in this country is waging a war against women, and let me be very clear, it is not a war that we are going to allow them to win.”

-“We are not going back. Not only are we not going to retreat on women's rights, we are going to expand them. We are going forward, not backward.”

-rape fantasies

[FoxNewsSucks]

17. Smearing Sanders seems to give some people quite an orgasm.

They couldn't care less that they're wrong.

[Budi]

18. Well they've been 'investigating' Hillary for 30 years, so its all relevant when it comes to ..

..political messaging, right!

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We could go back a bit closer in time to the Brady Bill & his vote against it 5 times, which gave gun manufacturers immunity from lawsuits too if you like.

But that's up to you.

Btw, there was a situation in his campaign about misogyny & treatnent of staff, but you can look that up.
Some things are just so questionably relevant no matter when they occurred.

THE SUPREME COURT WAS THE BIG LOOMING ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM THAT ONLY ONE PERSON SOUNDED A WARNING ON.
It wasn't either of the 2 men.

That woman was the only one who believed Roe, Women & Human rights were worth warning about.
The others?
Meh. Didn't even enter the convo.

There were 3 choices.

[TiberiusB]

23. Nice dodge

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So you think the 30 years of attacks on Hillary Clinton are legitimate, then? That's why it's okay to reach back to 1972 for some mud to sling?

The Brady Bill votes are bad. However, you were trying to make a point about misogyny and the 2016 candidates, not gun control. I have plenty of problems with Bernie Sanders' defense of the gun industry, but that was not the reason you chose "rape fantasies" to define Bernie Sanders' attitude towards women.

You can definitely bring up the campaign and the complaints about how women were treated. The lack of attention given to the SCOTUS is another discussion, but it was likely seen as too esoteric an argument at the time to win over the voting public. Those are valid points for discussion. Going way back to 1972 to mischaracterize a badly framed short essay is not.

[Budi]

25. He was 30 fking years old.

Not some young teen impressed with his crafty words.

30

[TiberiusB]

28. And your point is?

It wasn't a good essay, and I can see the flaws, but you seem to be insisting that he sees women as secretly needing, even wanting, to be raped.

That seems like a crazy stretch.

[Budi]

20. Here. Hard for any female to brush it off no matter when it was written.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2015/5/28/8682503/bernie-sanders-rape-fantasy

[TiberiusB]

22. You're still distorting what was written

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I read the essay when the controversy first arose years ago, actually.

My point remains that Bernie Sanders never wrote an essay about rape fantasies. He never claimed that all women fantasize about being raped. The essay was about evolving gender roles and the complications women and men face in maintaining healthy relationships. The "fantasies" he wrote about in the first few lines were meant to frame the narrative that men and women were struggling with becoming more than the expected dominant male and subservient woman gender roles. Just look at the cultural portrayals of women on t.v. and in movies at the time. Woman needed a husband's signature to get a credit card in the 60's. Abortion wouldn't even be legal until 1973. He never advocated for, or personally exclaimed the virtues of, rape. That's a 100% context free distortion. If any woman wants to step forward and discuss what they are still struggling to brush off about this essay, I'd be more than willing to listen.

Hillary Clinton called some kids "super predators". So, I take it she's a racist and should only ever be judged by that one phrase?

They are often the kinds of kids that are called super predators — no conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first, we have to bring them to heel.

Is it hard for the black community to brush that off no matter when she said it? Why was that not the quote you picked?

Obviously you wanted to equate Bernie Sanders with Donald Trump on the issue of misogyny.

I actually agree with a lot of your posts, but your relentless hatred for the "far left" boogie man ...Bernie Sanders is "crafty", Michael Moore and Susan Sarandon cost us the election, the progressives just want "free stuff"...is dragging down many of your more reasonable arguments.

[Budi]

24. omfg. Well like I said. MISOGYNY

Of course he did.

[TiberiusB]

27. He did not.

Seriously. Prove He was arguing for rape fantasies, or that women secretly want to be raped, or whatever your actual point is. Then make the case that is definitely the guy who ran in 2016.

Take a moment and try to prove your position rather than declaring yourself right.

[TiberiusB]

29. I really believe that Comey sank Clinton

Plenty of other factors did damage, but I think Comey was the deciding factor.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/

https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/28/politics/james-comey-clinton-letter-one-year/index.html

https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/1/11/14215930/comey-email-election-clinton-campaign

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/15/shameless-president-trump-comey-emails-clinton-charity

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/05/04/comey-cost-clinton-presidency-question-tellusatoday/101303168/

[JohnSJ]

30. The media made sure of that by parading every right wing pundits across their collective screens

perpetuating the lie that the e-mail investigation was reopened, for the next 7 days after Comey sent the letter to the republicans in Congress, and late at the end of the week they barely covered Comey’s brief statement that there was nothing to merit reopening the investigation

Before that happened Hillary was ahead in most polls by 4 to 5 points, and that lead was completely erased after Comey and the media did what they did

[TiberiusB]

31. Turning the news into a profit center has gutted journalism

Just Google "negative media stories about clinton vs trump"...though it's not like any of it is a surprise...

[JohnSJ]

32. no doubt about it. No fairness doctrine anymore, and the telecommunications act of 1996

opened the door and led to what you have aptly described as the "gutting of journalism"

[SoonerPride]

6. and MISOGYNY

that always gets overlooked for some strange reason

wonder why?

sigh

[dalton99a]

7. Kick

[Budi]

19. K & R Thank You!

[sarcasmo]

13. The antiquated electoral college.

[Tommy Carcetti]

15. File this one under the Department of "Duh." nt

[Kid Berwyn]

16. Evidence-based treason.

Nice.

[Blue Owl]

21. Stolen no matter how you look at it

Hillary had over 3 million more votes... yet we got stuck with the fat piece of shit...

[Wounded Bear]

26. Gee, ya think? nt