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****Johnny Depp wins defamation suit**** (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2022 OP
They're reading the verdict now. Nothing in her favor. nolabear Jun 2022 #1
I was going to ask for the source. Not seeing anything. underpants Jun 2022 #5
It's being read in court live. He's won all three counts. catbyte Jun 2022 #12
That's not really a boatload for him... SergeStorms Jun 2022 #31
True, but his ex-business manager and ex-lawyers stole about $650M from him so anything catbyte Jun 2022 #45
Isn't it really difficult to win a defamation case? Doc Sportello Jun 2022 #7
It is extremely difficult for a public figure to win a defamation suit. They have to prove actual catbyte Jun 2022 #15
If that opinion piece wasn't true exboyfil Jun 2022 #26
The later Pirates movies weren't all that great, but I'm sure Depp appreciated the paychecks. Jedi Guy Jun 2022 #57
+1, she was using the MeToo momentum to rubber stamp Nixie Jun 2022 #60
It was first time she accused Depp of sexual abuse..IE rape. Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #89
Sad thing is, when someone pulls a publicity stunt like this, 2Gingersnaps Jun 2022 #80
Very, very, very had to win...especially if the plaintiff if a public figure. Scottie Mom Jun 2022 #84
Very well said Doc Sportello Jun 2022 #97
Thank you for the compliment. Scottie Mom Jun 2022 #107
Watch the movie Pineapple Express Doc Sportello Jun 2022 #113
Exactly! Thank you! 2Gingersnaps Jun 2022 #120
There were some in her favor Mosby Jun 2022 #19
The Lawyer has to pay that. I heard it on Court TV...they have insurance...but I doubt she Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #91
The jury has completely rebuked Amber Heard Sympthsical Jun 2022 #2
She's worth about $2.5M. He just wants the win not the money. underpants Jun 2022 #8
Oh he'll never see a penny Sympthsical Jun 2022 #14
He'll get some money from her. Calista241 Jun 2022 #135
The win and his name cleared Siwsan Jun 2022 #22
What was telling to me was that no former romantic partner testified that Depp abused them. Jedi Guy Jun 2022 #58
I read that Beverly D'Angelo said he was controlling Siwsan Jun 2022 #63
Hadn't heard that. Indeed, I hadn't even known they'd been a couple. Jedi Guy Jun 2022 #69
The thing is, they weren't married long, and she was a grown up, so it's not a case of "older man- lindysalsagal Jun 2022 #85
The sole reason Kate Moss testified Hav Jun 2022 #75
Yeah, Heard got caught in a great many lies. Jedi Guy Jun 2022 #81
Ellen Barkin said Depp abused her iemanja Jun 2022 #88
She said he threw a bottle towards her on the stand so I highly doubt he abused her and Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #92
Your claim that Barkin committed perjury out of spite is absurd. iemanja Jun 2022 #100
Did you watch the trial? I don't care what she said outside of the jury...she testified that Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #131
She got 7 million from Depp Hav Jun 2022 #30
She also sent a letter demanding the penthouses, cars, an allowance and full support for her Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #150
As I recall from the trial, the $7m was after taxes and after lawyer fees so it ended up MLAA Jun 2022 #48
Sounds like Amber is getting her clock cleaned. Baitball Blogger Jun 2022 #3
Yes, yes she did. MenloParque Jun 2022 #4
I agree with the verdict. Elessar Zappa Jun 2022 #6
I agree also. I began watching this trial firmly on Amber Heard's side at first but the evidence was Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #93
The scene outside the courtroom should be interesting. Kingofalldems Jun 2022 #9
Don't remind me. I have to drive home past that circus tonight. FSogol Jun 2022 #36
He's got an entire army of women supporters out there I understand. Kingofalldems Jun 2022 #51
Not just women. People of all ages with nothing better to do. FSogol Jun 2022 #54
I am a woman but my best friend (male) was obsessed too...so guilty as charged. Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #129
Well he is pretty 'hot' hehe. I always liked Depp and was very sad that he was accused of this Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #96
Whew! IntravenousDemilo Jun 2022 #10
Damages $15M Doc Sportello Jun 2022 #11
deducted (by statute) to 10,350,000 Hamlette Jun 2022 #25
She was also awarded 2 million. former9thward Jun 2022 #44
That had to do with Walden statement. Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #74
This is a horrifying verdict that will silence survivors even more. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2022 #13
Yes underpants Jun 2022 #16
Well, you didn't watch the trial now did you? The only evidence was a we now know a fake Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #99
Or, it might make some think twice about making false claims Siwsan Jun 2022 #18
Agree MLAA Jun 2022 #49
I had a teenage marriage and my ex abusive. I first supported Heard until I heard the tape Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #101
So sorry you went through that, 2Gingersnaps Jun 2022 #121
The final straw for me was, when my Ex took a loaded gun and pointed it at me. He pulled the Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #124
Beautiful, so beautiful! Your Dad must really be a special man to do that 2Gingersnaps Jun 2022 #134
He was an amazing guy...he literally fit the cliche he would give the shirt off his back to Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #137
I am so sorry that your daughter had to go through that... Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #126
You and I are the only ones on here thinking that obamanut2012 Jun 2022 #21
My nephew was accused of rape DenaliDemocrat Jun 2022 #28
So justice doesn't enter into it. SergeStorms Jun 2022 #33
I think you replied to the wrong post? deurbano Jun 2022 #37
Right you are! SergeStorms Jun 2022 #87
You must not know too many actual victims of long term domestic violence. 2Gingersnaps Jun 2022 #102
I am so sorry Gingersnap. I had nice parents who loved me and didn't abuse me at all. Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #127
Thank you, it was not my Mom and Dad, they were classic Romeo and Juliet, 2Gingersnaps Jun 2022 #136
When I lived in Georgia...the state lost thousands of foster kids over several years...no idea Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #139
That is a beautiful thing too!! That is the part about keeping silent that is so dangerous, 2Gingersnaps Jun 2022 #142
What a lovely post and you are an amazing person Gingersnaps... Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #152
I'm sorry for your personal experiences. SergeStorms Jun 2022 #144
For some it's about the truth, Hav Jun 2022 #39
He is better DenaliDemocrat Jun 2022 #40
I know of someone who was accused years ago Meowmee Jun 2022 #122
I feel you, Denali. blueinredohio Jun 2022 #64
The story this girl told was brutal DenaliDemocrat Jun 2022 #72
This one told her sister was right there blueinredohio Jun 2022 #83
This has nothing to do with any of that...Amber Heard absolutely lied. I suggests you watch the Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #103
We can't have women using the MeToo movement as cover for carrying out a vendetta against a man TheRealNorth Jun 2022 #23
That is it. She needed to lose as she lied. Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #104
Lying about abuse eissa Jun 2022 #24
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👍 Joinfortmill Jun 2022 #56
I share concerns but I"m not sure it is the verdict, but rather the crediblity of the individual. hlthe2b Jun 2022 #27
Hard disagree Hav Jun 2022 #32
Here here Beaverhausen Jun 2022 #42
I disagree. Always look at the evidence Evergreen Emerald Jun 2022 #70
So you think the jury ruled incorrectly? PJMcK Jun 2022 #71
Yeah I have to admit that I listened to the entire trial and recaps...I think the verdict was Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #105
OT: I hope your husband recovers quickly PJMcK Jun 2022 #125
Thank you...he is doing better...had his first Rehab appointment today. Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #133
Agree. I can never quite look at him the same way. He may be swell to many but he is also gldstwmn Jun 2022 #73
Everyone knew the oped was about him and she accused him of rape...the first time she did that. Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #108
That is the problem with defamation. Evergreen Emerald Jun 2022 #132
I watched the entire trial. I am telling you she lied...it was a toxic marriage and she set up to Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #76
The survivor was just awarded over 10 million prodigitalson Jun 2022 #130
I watched the trial. She egged him on and belittled him all the time. She made sure there Autumn Jun 2022 #143
She "love bombed" him. I also started thinking she was diabolical. littlemissmartypants Jun 2022 #146
That makes a lot of sense. She is one of the most devious women I have ever sat and listen to. Autumn Jun 2022 #147
+10000 Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #151
I can sleep tonight. Sneederbunk Jun 2022 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #59
Wow....... a kennedy Jun 2022 #20
I watched most of the trial because real news makes me grind my teeth tishaLA Jun 2022 #29
I agree it was the correct verdict. And for those angry about Me Too...be angry with Amber Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #77
Good! highplainsdem Jun 2022 #34
Didn't watch, and don't really care Loryn Jun 2022 #35
Noe let's hope ForgedCrank Jun 2022 #38
Whew! I'm relieved! Now I can return to less important things... NNadir Jun 2022 #41
And he loses a defamation suit! Martin68 Jun 2022 #43
Nope, that was the lawyer Walden who will have to pay two million. He was Johnny's lawyer in Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #110
They're both still bad people SunImp Jun 2022 #46
I don't think Depp is a bad person. I look at those who came out for him...old girlfriends Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #111
This message was self-deleted by its author SunImp Jun 2022 #47
If Johnny Depp had lost, RipVanWinkle Jun 2022 #50
Yup. Big win for Depp. Jury did the right thing. Joinfortmill Jun 2022 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #62
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They are both freaking nuts, neither deserves to win anything. Both are liars and abusers. OverBurn Jun 2022 #61
I disagree. Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #112
Misleading. He won a case and lost the one Noahv Jun 2022 #65
She won the case against the lawyer Walden...who was considered an agent of Depp and Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #115
Didn't follow 1 second of the trial. d_b Jun 2022 #66
I got you beat. I didn't know there was moonscape Jun 2022 #140
That's awesome d_b Jun 2022 #141
Meh... RevBrotherThomas Jun 2022 #67
Ugh. No winners in that case. gldstwmn Jun 2022 #68
Depp and the MRA/Redpill won SunImp Jun 2022 #106
Just stop Hav Jun 2022 #114
Depp got his life back...she accused him not only of abuse but of rape in the Post article. Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #128
Sound like you didn't listen to any of her testimony. There was no proof at all that Depp abused her Autumn Jun 2022 #148
Nope, this was a clear victory for Depp...he cleared his name. Had the jury found one Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #116
I watched a little bit of it. Demobrat Jun 2022 #78
Don't know, don't care. Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2022 #79
There is that. Add the gun madness on that list calimary Jun 2022 #117
Just glad it's over Ferrets are Cool Jun 2022 #82
Now can the 2 of them just go away? Botany Jun 2022 #86
The jury also awarded Heard $2million for her countersuit iemanja Jun 2022 #90
Initially, I thought so, too Hav Jun 2022 #94
They ruled not all the statements in the countersuit was defamatory. And that is against Walden. Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #119
One expert said he can only collect $350,000 on the $5 million dollar suit, it's capped at 350K. C Moon Jun 2022 #95
Our country is truly doomed angrychair Jun 2022 #98
I simply do not care. TNNurse Jun 2022 #109
Have to agree, the lives of the rich and famous, meh Shanti Shanti Shanti Jun 2022 #149
It's escapism. Demobrat Jun 2022 #123
Lol! Elessar Zappa Jun 2022 #138
I am fully capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time. LOL. n/t totodeinhere Jun 2022 #145
Too bad Hunter Thompson is not still around. LudwigPastorius Jun 2022 #118
Why is no one talking about the makeup of the jury? Chalco Jun 2022 #153

catbyte

(34,325 posts)
12. It's being read in court live. He's won all three counts.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 03:26 PM
Jun 2022

And he's getting a boatload of money, $15M.

SergeStorms

(19,143 posts)
31. That's not really a boatload for him...
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 03:42 PM
Jun 2022

considering the money he's already lost from the Disney movies.

For anyone else, yes, it's two boatloads.

catbyte

(34,325 posts)
45. True, but his ex-business manager and ex-lawyers stole about $650M from him so anything
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 04:09 PM
Jun 2022

is good, I guess, lol. I'm not sure if that's in the courts yet or not. If I was a jury member, I'd have recommended $29M. $22M he would've been paid for the Pirates 6 movie that he lost after Heard accused him of sexual abuse, and refund the $7M he gave to Heard because she declared she didn't want anything from him, so okay.

I didn't really know anything about either one of these people, but I got sucked into the trial when I had some downtime a couple of weeks ago and I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I usually don't have much sympathy for megamillionaires, but Depp really got shafted. Heard really put him through the wringer.

It's too bad he can't get the $5M in punitive damages he was awarded because Virginia caps those damages at $350K but at least he'll get a refund on his divorce settlement.

Doc Sportello

(7,484 posts)
7. Isn't it really difficult to win a defamation case?
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 03:24 PM
Jun 2022

And since they are finding for Depp on everything, what does that say?

catbyte

(34,325 posts)
15. It is extremely difficult for a public figure to win a defamation suit. They have to prove actual
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 03:27 PM
Jun 2022

malice in the legal sense which is a very high standard.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
26. If that opinion piece wasn't true
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 03:36 PM
Jun 2022

Then it is definitely actual malice. She knew it would damage his career.

Puts Warner Bros. in a real bind because a jury has found she is a malicious liar. She is still in Aquaman II, and Depp was fired from Fantastic Beasts based upon the opinion piece. Depp was also torpedoed from Pirates by Disney.

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
57. The later Pirates movies weren't all that great, but I'm sure Depp appreciated the paychecks.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 04:36 PM
Jun 2022

I was very disappointed when WB fired him from the Fantastic Beasts films. Those weren't all that great, either, but Depp's Grindelwald was a bright spot in both, more so the second when he got a chance to really stretch his legs.

I haven't seen the new one, and I'm sure Mads Mikkelsen is a perfectly serviceable Grindelwald, but he just won't have the same resonance that Depp's Grindelwald had.

But yeah, she deliberately set out to wreck his career. Anyone who's vindictive enough to shit in another person's bed would absolutely see nothing wrong with trying to damage that person's career. Heard is scum, far as I'm concerned.

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
60. +1, she was using the MeToo momentum to rubber stamp
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 04:46 PM
Jun 2022

her accusations with the knowledge and apparent goal of taking him down. Now she is the poster child of the end of MeToo.

Mario Batali won against his accuser because of lack of credibility and I know a MeToo liar who got her case dropped. It looks like you can’t just accuse someone now and expect to take their lives away.

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
89. It was first time she accused Depp of sexual abuse..IE rape.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:28 PM
Jun 2022

She never said that before. The jury didn't believe her.

2Gingersnaps

(1,000 posts)
80. Sad thing is, when someone pulls a publicity stunt like this,
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:14 PM
Jun 2022

because yeah, that story posted right before her movie came out, it paints true domestic violence victims with the broad brush stroke of "liar." The people she has truly harmed are those who do not have Depp's ability to bounce back, taking nothing from him, he paid a pretty steep price.

And anyone who thinks women cannot be every bit as violent, if not more so, in domestic violence situations as men is sadly mistaken.

Scottie Mom

(5,812 posts)
84. Very, very, very had to win...especially if the plaintiff if a public figure.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:19 PM
Jun 2022

I watched a great deal of the trial. There was no doubt in my mind that Amber Heard was untruthful most of the time. Depp's lawyers did an excellent job on impeaching her with witnesses to the same events and circumstances to which she had testified and evidencing the falsity of her testimony.

Johnny Depp is no angel, but he clearly was not the monster that Amber Heard tried to make him. Her testimony, IMO, was way over the top and the jury saw it for what it was.

In my legal career, I have represented both sides in cases of Domestic Violence. People like Amber Heard have used the system and the charges for their own aggrandizement and they make it very, very difficult for those who truly are and were victims of domestic abuse.

Doc Sportello

(7,484 posts)
97. Very well said
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:42 PM
Jun 2022

Especially the last line. Instead of looking at this like a result that will silence victims, maybe it can be a good thing in that false accusers will be less likely t go that route. I also agree that Depp is no angel but she was not believable, and in the tapes I heard she sounded more like the abuser than the abused.

Scottie Mom

(5,812 posts)
107. Thank you for the compliment.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:55 PM
Jun 2022

Ah, yes, the tapes. She came off as an abuser and Depp as the abused. She just could not support with credible evidence the story she was spinning.

Doc Sportello

(7,484 posts)
113. Watch the movie Pineapple Express
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 06:01 PM
Jun 2022

Where she goes from normal to total psycho with such speed and conviction that I have never seen in film. As I said in another thread, she is either a great actress or the producers saw that in her.

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
91. The Lawyer has to pay that. I heard it on Court TV...they have insurance...but I doubt she
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:29 PM
Jun 2022

sees a penny as she owes Depp 13 million.

Sympthsical

(9,028 posts)
2. The jury has completely rebuked Amber Heard
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 03:24 PM
Jun 2022

This is devastating for her.

However, let's see what the damages are. They could still wash their hands of it.

(But $7 million would be poetic - her divorce amount).

underpants

(182,585 posts)
8. She's worth about $2.5M. He just wants the win not the money.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 03:25 PM
Jun 2022

That’s what this was all about to me.

Siwsan

(26,241 posts)
22. The win and his name cleared
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 03:33 PM
Jun 2022

I think he has a multitude of problems and short comings but being an abuser just never seemed to ring true. He has such a reputation of being a good man, according to people who work with him, and encounter him, and he had so many character witnesses, both in court and out, and I don't really remember any coming forward specifically for her and, again, haven't heard many people speaking up for her, specifically.

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
58. What was telling to me was that no former romantic partner testified that Depp abused them.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 04:43 PM
Jun 2022

I'm hardly an expert on domestic abuse, but I feel like if a person is prone to abusing their partner, that behavior will be present in all of their relationships. Despite that, not one of Depp's former partners, so far as I'm aware, alleged or testified that he was abusive towards them. So why would he not be abusive in those relationships, then suddenly turn abusive with Heard? I suppose each relationship is unique and different people will draw out different aspects of one's personality, but you'd think he'd have displayed a pattern of behavior, which is what most abusers do, as far as I've read/heard.

I think his demeanor on the stand helped a lot, too, with his funny and self-deprecating humor. One thing he said that struck me was, "the only person I have ever abused is myself." He's definitely got some problems, with substance abuse being a major one, but he doesn't come across as a violent person, despite the heinous assault on those kitchen cabinets that Heard caught on film.

Either way, hopefully Hollywood will take the hint from the verdict and from the groundswell of support for Depp in the court of public opinion and give him his career and life back. He deserves both, in my opinion.

Siwsan

(26,241 posts)
63. I read that Beverly D'Angelo said he was controlling
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 04:50 PM
Jun 2022

I had no idea they ever dated or were in a film together. I know she's about 12 years older than him and was with Al Pacino for a while. I always liked her as an actress.

I don't know if you've ever seen the video of when Johnny went to the children's hospital dressed as Jack Sparrow. It is a joyful thing to watch. It speaks volumes as to his true character, IMHO.

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
69. Hadn't heard that. Indeed, I hadn't even known they'd been a couple.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 04:58 PM
Jun 2022

The only thing I can recall seeing Beverly D'Angelo in is National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation. She was perfect as the foil to Chevy Chase's Clark Griswold. My wife and I watch that movie every Christmas, and it takes me back to when I was a kid.

As for their relationship, I'd say controlling, while not great, is a long way from being abusive. Maybe a step on the path to becoming abusive, I guess? Still a far cry from the allegations of physical abuse and sexual violence that Heard leveled against him.

And yeah, he strikes me as a fundamentally okay guy who's got a lot of personal demons. It's heartwarming when actors/actresses visit sick kids in character, I agree. I know Chris Pratt has done so as Star Lord, Chris Evans as Captain America... matter of fact, I think a lot of the people in the MCU have done it. Maybe Disney puts it in the contracts that they have to.

lindysalsagal

(20,564 posts)
85. The thing is, they weren't married long, and she was a grown up, so it's not a case of "older man-
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:20 PM
Jun 2022

of-the-world gas-lights innocent know-nothing helpless 19 year old. " On the contrary, publishing something so negative shows she was already strong, so, she lost the jury's sympathy.

I also know women who marry just for the divorce, and none of us will ever know if that was the case. It's difficult for world famous actors to marry, being in the spotlight.

I'm sure he's charming and he can be handsome and attractive, but I'd never consider taking him on. He's a tiger you'll never really have to yourself. She should have known that.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
75. The sole reason Kate Moss testified
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:04 PM
Jun 2022

and was even allowed to do so was to make a statement against Heard's insinuation that Depp abused Moss. Another lie that backfired.

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
81. Yeah, Heard got caught in a great many lies.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:14 PM
Jun 2022

If there's any justice in the world, Aquaman 2 will be her last major film role for a long, long time.

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
92. She said he threw a bottle towards her on the stand so I highly doubt he abused her and
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:32 PM
Jun 2022

she was bitter about the breakup...got to consider the source. No one else ever said anything like this before Amber.

iemanja

(53,010 posts)
100. Your claim that Barkin committed perjury out of spite is absurd.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:45 PM
Jun 2022

Barkin was under oath. She testified that he always always drunk, which confirms what many other people say about him. Barkin had a five month relationship with Depp that ended in the 1990s. Your claim that she committed perjury because she was "bitter about the breakup" holds no water. It instead relies on the dominant narrative that women are always liars.

The GOP is creaming their pants over this verdict. https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/house-republicans-bizarrely-gloat-after-johnny-depp-verdict/ar-AAXYHBG

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
131. Did you watch the trial? I don't care what she said outside of the jury...she testified that
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 06:59 PM
Jun 2022

he threw a bottle in her direction. That is what she testified to. If she is claiming abuse she didn't do it on the stand. As for Republicans gloating so what... the truth is the truth. In my opinion, Amber Heard lied on the stand. She had no right to publicly claim abuse when it didn't happen and that he raped her which also didn't happen...she had no bruises or evidence of abuse...and the rape charge was new with the post article. She had never claimed that before. I think she was lying...we do know she was abusive though from several tapes that were played in court.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
30. She got 7 million from Depp
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 03:41 PM
Jun 2022

for the divorce settlement that she claimed to have donated. She should still have the majority of that money if the intention was to donate it.

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
150. She also sent a letter demanding the penthouses, cars, an allowance and full support for her
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 01:26 PM
Jun 2022

family and threatening him with the TRO she filed if he didn't accede to her demands. I call that blackmail. He didn't give her what she demanded so she filed the TRO. I consider she used Me Too which I find disgusting.

MLAA

(17,238 posts)
48. As I recall from the trial, the $7m was after taxes and after lawyer fees so it ended up
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 04:15 PM
Jun 2022

over $14 million.

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
93. I agree also. I began watching this trial firmly on Amber Heard's side at first but the evidence was
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:36 PM
Jun 2022

overwhelming that she was lying and had actually abused Johnny Depp.

FSogol

(45,435 posts)
36. Don't remind me. I have to drive home past that circus tonight.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 03:49 PM
Jun 2022

Each day of the trial got worse with more and more people. The police shut down a lane of Judicial Drive a few times and took some of the lights off of auto on 123.

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
96. Well he is pretty 'hot' hehe. I always liked Depp and was very sad that he was accused of this
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:41 PM
Jun 2022

I have quite a bit of his music...I have never heard a better version of Hallelujah than his; it is on YouTube. And I love pirate movies-all of them. I watched the entire trial as hubs is recovering from two surgery (the first spinal surgery the doctor used too small screws so it had to be redone.) at home. I am the official nurse. Amber Heard deserved to lose. She absolutely lied and set out to destroy him.

underpants

(182,585 posts)
16. Yes
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 03:28 PM
Jun 2022

They’ve completely reshaped him. From stories I’d ran across my book on him was done. Sorry but that’s just me.

I was a fan of his work but I’ve heard enough over the years.

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
99. Well, you didn't watch the trial now did you? The only evidence was a we now know a fake
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:45 PM
Jun 2022

bruise on her right cheek when she got her restraining order. The same evening no bruise at all in the picture of Heard and a friend. Of course, Depp was out of the country for a couple of months and she knew this. Then several years later she accuses him of sexual assault in a Washington Post article. She was planning to use Me Too to further her career IMHO.

Siwsan

(26,241 posts)
18. Or, it might make some think twice about making false claims
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 03:29 PM
Jun 2022

Although normally I would agree with you, I never bought her story, and I'm someone who has been subjected to abuse. She was just caught in far too many lies.

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
101. I had a teenage marriage and my ex abusive. I first supported Heard until I heard the tape
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:47 PM
Jun 2022

where she says she didn't punch him, she hit him, stop being a baby, he is not hurt and no one will believe him...my ex said the exact same thing to me.

2Gingersnaps

(1,000 posts)
121. So sorry you went through that,
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 06:18 PM
Jun 2022

that is the thing....actual domestic abuse survivors saw the gaslighting. We know that nightmare. I grew up that way, I was fortunate in my marriage, I married a gentle man no woman or child ever had reason to fear.

But I saw my daughter go through it. Because she thought all men were honorable like her father.

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
124. The final straw for me was, when my Ex took a loaded gun and pointed it at me. He pulled the
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 06:38 PM
Jun 2022

trigger and the gun jammed...I don't know why. I scooped up my toddler ran for the car and left. I didn't even have a license but went down to a neighbor's summer house. She had given me a key. I waited until my ex's friend picked him up for work and drove the car back as I had no doubt he would report it as stolen.

I took my baby and what I could carry and left... hitchhiked to the next town and called my Mom and Dad...told them. They wired me money and I went home. I spent that summer in a small lakeside resort in New Hampshire as I waited for custody and my ex's rages to subside.

My Dad who was one of the best men that ever lived talked my ex into going to Rehab and paid for it. He said he didn't want his granddaughter's father to be an addict. It worked. I have never heard he ever did drugs again or had a drink. but it was too late for me. I could never go back. Maybe that is why I was interested in the trial. I too was told that no one would believe me. I was a wild child as my mom called me... had married at 18 and was divorced by 21. I got my act together and went to college...made a life for my daughter and me...I met the love of my life some years later and have been blessed with a total of four children and a rewarding career. I am after a rocky start one of the lucky ones.

2Gingersnaps

(1,000 posts)
134. Beautiful, so beautiful! Your Dad must really be a special man to do that
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 07:14 PM
Jun 2022

for his daughters abuser, it was a blessing your daughter did not have to live that! This is why I hate the word "victim," we are SURVIVORS!! Love to hear histories like this! Happily ever after is out there!

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
137. He was an amazing guy...he literally fit the cliche he would give the shirt off his back to
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 07:48 PM
Jun 2022

someone in need...we would have kids end up at our house sometimes...runaways and my Dad would call their parents and see they got home-he put them on the bus or whatever. He was really good man.

obamanut2012

(26,041 posts)
21. You and I are the only ones on here thinking that
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 03:31 PM
Jun 2022

I followed the UK trial closely as well, and the Depp PR machine didn't work there like here. She sucks, but so what? This is such a fucked up verdict.

All the MRAs and Proud Boys are literally crowing over this putting "women in their proper place," etc. The people on here crowing over this do not get what they are siding with. They are saying this will stop women from reporting them, and it will.

DenaliDemocrat

(1,474 posts)
28. My nephew was accused of rape
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 03:38 PM
Jun 2022

By a neighborhood girl. He was friends with her and never even kissed her or even held her hand. She had been having sex with another young man and made up the rape story when the doctor saw that she was sexually active at 14. She blamed him so her 17 year old boyfriend would not get into trouble for statutory rape. Three years later the truth came out but his life was already ruined.

This is about the truth.

SergeStorms

(19,143 posts)
87. Right you are!
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:24 PM
Jun 2022

I give up. That's twice today I've done that.

It was supposed to be a reply to the post above this one.

2Gingersnaps

(1,000 posts)
102. You must not know too many actual victims of long term domestic violence.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:48 PM
Jun 2022

Forget the Proud Boys, our abuser destroyed both my older sister and younger brother in foster care, and she was another malignant narcissist. She could sing "How Great Thou Art" like the saints were marching in, and she was the sacrificial saint fighting for our protection in public. The things that rolled out of her mouth were far worse than having your head beat up against a wall by your ears. The two middle sisters survived, and I was the only one NOT sexually abused. But I took more than my fair share of beatings with a razor strap because "I was too proud to be demeaned at that level." Everyone in my whitebread rural conservative Christian "duty to report" community knew, it was just easier to look the other way. Teachers, family, pastors, coaches. Hell, the football coach was the one who molested my oldest sister. A two year old boy who lost both parents was so beaten and bullied he never made it out of high school able to function in the real world. He matriculated to prison, just in case you never heard of the "foster care to prison pipeline." The two people who testified that they were terrified of him were the ones who beat, tormented and terrorized him. Just in case the Proud Boys don't think domestic abuse happens to males too.

Within months of my fathers death my thirteen year old sister was pregnant by my Uncle, his wife, my mothers sister called her a liar. She still does. Abortion had just become legal, and I don't recall DNA evidence being a thing in 1973 but you can bet those two God loving Christian Republicans made sure she got an abortion.

In school, we all knew who the others were, the ones no one protected, no one defended. Guess what? We are EVERYWHERE. Mostly shamed into silence "for the good name of the family." oh, and good ole patriarchy. A man sat and watched her do what she did and did not protect us either, Bible or some such. You want to see protection in those situations, you should see how isolation of the four of us protected those four social security checks that went into their savings account every month, their retirement income. If only we had known, or were even capable of that kind of thought, it was a federal crime to steal the checks, but we had two months after aging out after graduation to report the theft-we aged out and our family ended the day the checks did, we had to be self supporting with no preparation to do so the day we graduated. So yeah, their crimes went unpunished.

Suddenly out of the blue with no record of being violent before at 50? Bullshit. Getting up in an aggressive abusers face and "giving as good as you get" and throwing hands when you suffer a lifetime of PTSD and have full blown panic attacks around loud and aggressive people? Your fight or flight has no metric on threat level and the only cure is competent counseling and training to control a fight or flight that works overtime no matter what? And that person "gives as good as they get?" BULLSHIT.

We are the people she fucked over as much as him.

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
127. I am so sorry Gingersnap. I had nice parents who loved me and didn't abuse me at all.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 06:49 PM
Jun 2022

I was just a brat honestly...but you went through so much horror...

2Gingersnaps

(1,000 posts)
136. Thank you, it was not my Mom and Dad, they were classic Romeo and Juliet,
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 07:34 PM
Jun 2022

They fell in love right out of high school, she was a tall beloved beauty, got married, had kids, he was a welder, made great money for the time and place. She died of a brain tumor at age 24. He had to fight for custody of us from her parents, he had to work and had four small children. Her mother was a malicious hateful woman who did not take no for an answer. They fought over custody of us for 8 years, then he dropped dead of a heart attack. When he died she turned that spite onto us.

Needless to say, I am a huge proponent of effective mental health care. My grandparents were highly destructive people, violence was a way of life, it adversely controlled all four of their children's lives. There was no basic follow up from the courts on our custody, they just dropped us there and did not look back. My local news station just a week ago said there were 20 children who died in foster care this year and the year is only half over, it is one of those intransigent problems that government seems to have no good answer for.

The only person I ever heard talk about the foster system with eyes wide open was a paraplegic Cleveland Court Judge running for Ohio Supreme Court, Judge Peter Sikora, back in my politically activist days. Needless to say, he lost. Government is so penny wise and pound foolish, he spoke of the waste of human capital in lives destroyed that would take comparatively little investment compared to the cost of the destroyed lives. It just curdles my blood when the do nothing crowd wins elections by proclaiming how much they value life. 20 dead kids in six months isn't valuing life. Not wanting to help domestic abuse survivors, or treat domestic abuse perps just guarantees a repeat of the cycle. You were blessed to break free and hugs to your parents!!!!

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
139. When I lived in Georgia...the state lost thousands of foster kids over several years...no idea
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 07:54 PM
Jun 2022

what happened to them...horrifying. I had a friend in college who went to hairdressing school and put herself through college doing this...she had gotten a skill so she could get her younger brother out of foster care she had been in the home and aged out at 18...given a suitcase and put out of the house. She told me they were not fed the same food as the family, and she and her brother were forced to work like slaves...the Foster money was spent on the family and not for the kids. She got him out at 19 he was 10 I think and raised him.

2Gingersnaps

(1,000 posts)
142. That is a beautiful thing too!! That is the part about keeping silent that is so dangerous,
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 08:18 PM
Jun 2022

people get too comfortable "not knowing." The cycle is never broken. I lived in the same district that Congressman Jim Jordan "serves." That is the guy who looked away while hundreds of student wrestlers were being abused at OSU by the team doctor. Oh yeah, Ohio is definitely a duty to report state and he did not. You see the character of that man. When it came out, he tried to get the students he turned his back on to COVER FOR HIM!!!!!

Over the years, I had the care of all three of my siblings at some point. My late husband, bless him, never thought twice about helping them. My older sister was profoundly schizophrenic from the abuse, my grandparents controlled her, she was left to live on welfare, she actually went through college twice but was never able to function in the real world. When they died I picked her up, took her to a mental health facility and told the truth about how she came to be that way. She had five safe years out of fifty living independently, able to hold a job, sheltered and protected through her apartment complex and her job. So much more productive than casting them out to sink or swim where they end up on the streets homeless and fed on or in the prison system. She never wanted to be dependent on her baby sister. She had a brilliant mind, she was just non functional, scared of people, and confused, medication, counseling, and training saved her and gave her her dignity.

SergeStorms

(19,143 posts)
144. I'm sorry for your personal experiences.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 01:10 AM
Jun 2022

That said, the statement was made about the proud boys, and that's what I was addressing.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
39. For some it's about the truth,
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 03:55 PM
Jun 2022

for some it's apparently about triggering the proud boys. I think that kind of reasoning tells you all about the substance of the claims in question.

I hope the reputation of your nephew will be rehabilitated over time.

DenaliDemocrat

(1,474 posts)
40. He is better
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 03:59 PM
Jun 2022

The truth came out when the girl entered residential treatment. Telling the truth an apologizing was part of her “therapy”.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
122. I know of someone who was accused years ago
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 06:23 PM
Jun 2022

He had been at the same bar as the accuser. Police questioned and arrested him based on her here say. Later it turns out she was intoxicated and was confused about who had raped her, the actual rapist was found, someone who had followed her home and gained access to her apartment either by her letting him in or another way. But because she had been hanging around with the accused and another group of people she decided it must have been him who raped her. Fortunately he was released and vindicated on some level but it did a lot of long term damage.

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
64. I feel you, Denali.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 04:50 PM
Jun 2022

My family is going through a similar incident but she hasn't admitted she lied. (Yet) The story was so ridiculous I don't see how anyone could have believed it. Yet here we are.

DenaliDemocrat

(1,474 posts)
72. The story this girl told was brutal
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:01 PM
Jun 2022

Complete with him stomping on her and then waving a condom in her face before forcibly raping her. I mean, it was pretty ridiculous in retrospect.

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
83. This one told her sister was right there
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:19 PM
Jun 2022

but she didn't know if she saw anything or not. The sister says she didn't see anything but the charges are going forward anyway. I think this may be headed for trial.

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
103. This has nothing to do with any of that...Amber Heard absolutely lied. I suggests you watch the
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:49 PM
Jun 2022

video. If anyone is to blame for whatever impact this has on ME TOO...it is Amber Heard who used the movement to destroy Depp.

TheRealNorth

(9,462 posts)
23. We can't have women using the MeToo movement as cover for carrying out a vendetta against a man
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 03:34 PM
Jun 2022

Otherwise, if there are women who think that they can get away with it, there will be spurious accusations made that will discredit everyone without solid evidence.

It could also be used to sink the political careers of innocent men.

Response to eissa (Reply #24)

hlthe2b

(102,105 posts)
27. I share concerns but I"m not sure it is the verdict, but rather the crediblity of the individual.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 03:37 PM
Jun 2022

I can only gauge her credibility on what little I saw and her body language, which I did observe closely on the video segments I saw. My gut tells me she is not credible and has thus set the movement back many decades. My pain is not for her, but for the countless victims of DV and sexual harassment who will suffer as a result. And IF, (as it appears) she is a liar, may she spend the rest of her life trying to make up for that damage to other women.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
32. Hard disagree
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 03:44 PM
Jun 2022

A surprising but fantastic decision. Everyone could see through her lies, the jury included.
It's not the verdict that damages survivors, it's liars like Heard who hurt the credibility of actual victims.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
70. I disagree. Always look at the evidence
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 04:58 PM
Jun 2022

The evidence showed that she lied. This does nothing to hurt survivors.

PJMcK

(21,988 posts)
71. So you think the jury ruled incorrectly?
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 04:59 PM
Jun 2022

Since they sat through the trial and heard all of the testimonies-- which none of us listened to in its entirety-- the verdict that they came to unanimously is questionable?

Do you believe in our justice system or not?

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
105. Yeah I have to admit that I listened to the entire trial and recaps...I think the verdict was
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:53 PM
Jun 2022

was correct. My husband has been making non-stop fun of me. He is recovering from his second surgery in two months so I am at home. I watched it all...don't know why honestly.

PJMcK

(21,988 posts)
125. OT: I hope your husband recovers quickly
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 06:42 PM
Jun 2022

And that you’re comfortable, too!

I recently had a full knee replacement and I struggled mightily to keep my wife from seeing ,y painful recovery! Good luck!

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
73. Agree. I can never quite look at him the same way. He may be swell to many but he is also
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:03 PM
Jun 2022

a drug addict and narcissist. I cannot believe the jury thought her writing an op-ed in which he was not named was defamation. She was so much younger than him. Their relationship was not one of equanimity.

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
108. Everyone knew the oped was about him and she accused him of rape...the first time she did that.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:55 PM
Jun 2022

She does drugs too...not that I care about that. But what she did was lie during the trial. She caught and that is why she lost deservedly. I think Depp gets his life back and he should. The Me Too movement should not be used in this fashion by Heard or anyone else.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
132. That is the problem with defamation.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 06:59 PM
Jun 2022

He can never get his reputation back. No matter that they were lies.

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
76. I watched the entire trial. I am telling you she lied...it was a toxic marriage and she set up to
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:07 PM
Jun 2022

destroy him. It was proven that she hit him...and in the Washington Post article, she claimed for the first time that he sexually abused her...that he raped her. There were tapes where she said I hit you I didn't punch you...don't be a baby.

Autumn

(44,972 posts)
143. I watched the trial. She egged him on and belittled him all the time. She made sure there
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 08:50 PM
Jun 2022

was a lot of cocaine and booze even when she knew how he reacted to coke. Marijuana was his drug of choice, hers was coke and mushrooms. She is a nasty, vindictive liar. She is not a survivor. She was verbally and physically abusive as hell. I saw no proof at all that he physically abused her and it seems the jury didn't see any either.

littlemissmartypants

(22,531 posts)
146. She "love bombed" him. I also started thinking she was diabolical.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 06:35 AM
Jun 2022

There was one point it occurred to me that she might have been drugging him. Her own sister revealed at some point to one of his staff that she was afraid Amber would kill him.

Drugging him to death was certainly plausible and with his substance abuse issues, as a polyabuser, it could have been done easily. It would have been perceived as an accidental death at that point as his own substance abuse could have been blamed. The fact that she was reportedly furious when she found out she wasn't in his will was also telling.

For clarification in case you weren't aware...

Love bombing is the practice of overwhelming someone with signs of adoration and attraction—think flattering comments, tokens of affection, or love notes on the mirror, kitchen table, or windshield, and you’re beginning to get the picture. It’s flowers delivered at work with hearts dotting the i’s in your name. It’s texts that increase in frequency as they increase in romantic fervor. It’s surprise appearances designed to manipulate you into spending more time with the bomber—and, not coincidentally, less time with others, or on your own.

When someone tells you just how special you are, it can be intoxicating, at first. However, when a person uses such comments to keep your focus trained on him or her, or to keep bringing you back in if you’ve started to back off, it could be a case of manipulation. Not everyone who whispers sweet nothings in your ear is a narcissist or predator, of course, but if you’re feeling that something just isn’t right about the person or your relationship, these constant reminders of "how good you are together"—when you suspect that you really aren’t—can be an effort to keep you tethered. It’s often the first line used by a potential abuser.

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Source...

Love Bombing: A Narcissist's Secret Weapon
A whirlwind romance should never feel like a manipulation of your heart.
Posted April 13, 2018
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/lifetime-connections/201804/love-bombing-narcissists-secret-weapon




More...

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Signs and Stages of Love Bombing

Common signs that someone is love bombing another person may include:

•Gives numerous and/or extravagant gifts, particularly early in a relationship
•Excessive and/or exaggerated flattery
•Early, frequent, and/or extreme declarations of love and affection (for example, saying “I love you,” “You’re my soul mate,” or “You’re everything I’m looking for” on a first date)
•Attempts to be in constant contact—for example, bombarding the other person with nonstop texts or phone calls
•Seeks quick commitment; in a romantic relationship, for example, brings up things like marriage or moving in together right away
•Displays emotional neediness and reactivity; may become upset if the other person has other plans or doesn’t answer a communication right away
•Ignores attempts by the other person to set boundaries

Love bombing tactics are intended to overwhelm the target and make them feel as if they’ve found a true connection. Many love bombers intend for their target to spend increasingly less time with friends and family in favor of spending time with the perpetrator.

But after an early period of affection and attention (often referred to as idealization), love bombers will typically start to engage in more openly aggressive and harmful tactics—such as withdrawing affection when angry, insulting the other person, attempting to control their appearance or behavior, berating them for small mistakes, or even engaging in physical abuse. This period is often referred to as devaluation. Cycling between periods of idealization and devaluation is common; indeed, returning to overly affectionate behavior can be a way for the perpetrator to “make up for” the abuse that occurred during the devaluating phase and keep the other person invested in the relationship in spite of its obvious problems.

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Source...

Love Bombing
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/love-bombing

Response to Sneederbunk (Reply #17)

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
29. I watched most of the trial because real news makes me grind my teeth
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 03:38 PM
Jun 2022

these days. IMO, based on the testimony, the evidence, and the skill of the respective lawyers, it was the right verdict--and I went into it completely on her side based on what I'd read about the British case.

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
77. I agree it was the correct verdict. And for those angry about Me Too...be angry with Amber
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:09 PM
Jun 2022

Heard. She tried to use it to destroy an innocent person. And it was just plain wrong.

NNadir

(33,456 posts)
41. Whew! I'm relieved! Now I can return to less important things...
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 04:01 PM
Jun 2022

...Ukraine, our democracy, climate change, gun violence, etc.

Before this consumed my life I barely knew who these people were or are or might be. I'm not quite sure who they are now to be honest, but I'm sure it was all very important.

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
110. Nope, that was the lawyer Walden who will have to pay two million. He was Johnny's lawyer in
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:57 PM
Jun 2022

the UK. There really was no evidence Depp even knew about it.

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
111. I don't think Depp is a bad person. I look at those who came out for him...old girlfriends
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:59 PM
Jun 2022

and friends he has had for years. On the other hand, Amber Heard's friends no longer speak to her mostly and the rest were paid.

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Response to Joinfortmill (Reply #52)

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

 

Noahv

(61 posts)
65. Misleading. He won a case and lost the one
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 04:51 PM
Jun 2022

Let's not be sexist by pretending Amber Heard didn't win one of the cases.

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
115. She won the case against the lawyer Walden...who was considered an agent of Depp and
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 06:03 PM
Jun 2022

the jury did not believe she proved all the statements. The lawyer or the insurance company pays that. Amber Heard lost her case against Depp completely...the jury didn't believe a word. All the jury had to see was one case of abuse and they had to find for her...there was no abuse of Amber. She hit Johnny though by her own admission.

d_b

(7,462 posts)
66. Didn't follow 1 second of the trial.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 04:55 PM
Jun 2022

no idea about the details. Going to reward myself with a few shots of bourbon tonight.

moonscape

(4,672 posts)
140. I got you beat. I didn't know there was
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 07:57 PM
Jun 2022

a trial until I turned on the news in the car and the verdict was being read.

d_b

(7,462 posts)
141. That's awesome
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 08:03 PM
Jun 2022

🤣

I kept seeing it mentioned in my Twitter feed, but I refused to read about it.

RevBrotherThomas

(838 posts)
67. Meh...
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 04:55 PM
Jun 2022

The disintegration of a 2-way abusive relationship. Has had everyone foaming at the mouth for a month with the play by play featuring their intimately abusive squabbles, complete with non stop memes. Glad this is disappearing from my feed.

SunImp

(2,223 posts)
106. Depp and the MRA/Redpill won
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:53 PM
Jun 2022

Depp won money and a little enjoyment from Amber's grief. MRA/Redpill types will use this event to smear all woman as liars.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
114. Just stop
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 06:02 PM
Jun 2022

It's Heard's disgusting lies that could be so damaging to actual victims.
The moment she took the stand, it was obvious she was putting on a show. In hindsight, it shouldn't be surprising that the jury didn't believe her bs.

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
128. Depp got his life back...she accused him not only of abuse but of rape in the Post article.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 06:51 PM
Jun 2022

I believe and the jury believed she was lying...if they had believed one instance of abuse, they would have to find for Amber Heard, but they didn't believe it because it never happened IMHO.

Autumn

(44,972 posts)
148. Sound like you didn't listen to any of her testimony. There was no proof at all that Depp abused her
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 10:11 AM
Jun 2022

In fact it was more the opposite. The only grief she suffered was losing a wealthy man who gave her whatever she and he sister and her friends wanted. Her own dear sister confided to one of his staff she was afraid Amber Turd was going to kill him. Women who are liars and set out to abuse and smear men should have to pay for doing that. It hurts all women.

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
116. Nope, this was a clear victory for Depp...he cleared his name. Had the jury found one
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 06:05 PM
Jun 2022

credible abuse of Amber, Depp would have lost. They didn't.

Demobrat

(8,957 posts)
78. I watched a little bit of it.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:12 PM
Jun 2022

Mostly his testimony in the beginning, then I lost interest. It sounded to me like mutual combat between two substance abusers. I would have thrown the case out of court, or found for him and awarded him $1.

Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
79. Don't know, don't care.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:12 PM
Jun 2022

I could care less.

We have Russia waking up. We are still fighting Covid. We could be looking at a great depression. We all kinds of inequality running a muck. And oh please don't get me started on the global climate change crisis.

Amber and Johnny is much to do about nothing when you look at the world.

calimary

(81,085 posts)
117. There is that. Add the gun madness on that list
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 06:05 PM
Jun 2022

… and the Amber and Johnny mess doesn’t even get off the ground.

iemanja

(53,010 posts)
90. The jury also awarded Heard $2million for her countersuit
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:29 PM
Jun 2022
Heard also partially won her counter-lawsuit over comments made by Depp's lawyer Adam Waldman when he called her abuse allegations a hoax. The jury awarded her $2 million in damages.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/jury-reaches-verdict-johnny-depp-wins-libel-trial-amber-heard-partially-wins-countersuit/ar-AAXYaGn

The two verdicts seem contradictory.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
94. Initially, I thought so, too
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:38 PM
Jun 2022

But what makes sense to me is that the jury agreed with Depp that Heard lied about her claims but that one of the statements made by Depp's lawyer alleging a conspiracy to stage the scene for the police were false and defamatory. The other statements that actually used the term hoax were not seen as defamatory.

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
119. They ruled not all the statements in the countersuit was defamatory. And that is against Walden.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 06:07 PM
Jun 2022

He or his insurance company will pay in fact. She one nothing. If the jury believed even one abuse claim that Heard made, Depp would have lost. She was lying.

angrychair

(8,677 posts)
98. Our country is truly doomed
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:43 PM
Jun 2022

People care more about this pointless, shitty trial and the pointless, shitty people involved, than they do about the civil rights of women or the lives of those children murdered in Uvalde.

Chalco

(1,307 posts)
153. Why is no one talking about the makeup of the jury?
Fri Jun 3, 2022, 10:39 AM
Jun 2022

5 men, 2 women.

I know that in the end that they agreed but how much of that agreement was
coercion from wanting to get out of there. I find it very suspicious.

Please don't attack me.

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