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(41,930 posts)I agree.
underpants
(182,585 posts)catbyte
(34,325 posts)And he's getting a boatload of money, $15M.
SergeStorms
(19,143 posts)considering the money he's already lost from the Disney movies.
For anyone else, yes, it's two boatloads.
catbyte
(34,325 posts)is good, I guess, lol. I'm not sure if that's in the courts yet or not. If I was a jury member, I'd have recommended $29M. $22M he would've been paid for the Pirates 6 movie that he lost after Heard accused him of sexual abuse, and refund the $7M he gave to Heard because she declared she didn't want anything from him, so okay.
I didn't really know anything about either one of these people, but I got sucked into the trial when I had some downtime a couple of weeks ago and I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I usually don't have much sympathy for megamillionaires, but Depp really got shafted. Heard really put him through the wringer.
It's too bad he can't get the $5M in punitive damages he was awarded because Virginia caps those damages at $350K but at least he'll get a refund on his divorce settlement.
Doc Sportello
(7,484 posts)And since they are finding for Depp on everything, what does that say?
catbyte
(34,325 posts)malice in the legal sense which is a very high standard.
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)Then it is definitely actual malice. She knew it would damage his career.
Puts Warner Bros. in a real bind because a jury has found she is a malicious liar. She is still in Aquaman II, and Depp was fired from Fantastic Beasts based upon the opinion piece. Depp was also torpedoed from Pirates by Disney.
Jedi Guy
(3,175 posts)I was very disappointed when WB fired him from the Fantastic Beasts films. Those weren't all that great, either, but Depp's Grindelwald was a bright spot in both, more so the second when he got a chance to really stretch his legs.
I haven't seen the new one, and I'm sure Mads Mikkelsen is a perfectly serviceable Grindelwald, but he just won't have the same resonance that Depp's Grindelwald had.
But yeah, she deliberately set out to wreck his career. Anyone who's vindictive enough to shit in another person's bed would absolutely see nothing wrong with trying to damage that person's career. Heard is scum, far as I'm concerned.
Nixie
(16,950 posts)her accusations with the knowledge and apparent goal of taking him down. Now she is the poster child of the end of MeToo.
Mario Batali won against his accuser because of lack of credibility and I know a MeToo liar who got her case dropped. It looks like you cant just accuse someone now and expect to take their lives away.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)She never said that before. The jury didn't believe her.
2Gingersnaps
(1,000 posts)because yeah, that story posted right before her movie came out, it paints true domestic violence victims with the broad brush stroke of "liar." The people she has truly harmed are those who do not have Depp's ability to bounce back, taking nothing from him, he paid a pretty steep price.
And anyone who thinks women cannot be every bit as violent, if not more so, in domestic violence situations as men is sadly mistaken.
Scottie Mom
(5,812 posts)I watched a great deal of the trial. There was no doubt in my mind that Amber Heard was untruthful most of the time. Depp's lawyers did an excellent job on impeaching her with witnesses to the same events and circumstances to which she had testified and evidencing the falsity of her testimony.
Johnny Depp is no angel, but he clearly was not the monster that Amber Heard tried to make him. Her testimony, IMO, was way over the top and the jury saw it for what it was.
In my legal career, I have represented both sides in cases of Domestic Violence. People like Amber Heard have used the system and the charges for their own aggrandizement and they make it very, very difficult for those who truly are and were victims of domestic abuse.
Doc Sportello
(7,484 posts)Especially the last line. Instead of looking at this like a result that will silence victims, maybe it can be a good thing in that false accusers will be less likely t go that route. I also agree that Depp is no angel but she was not believable, and in the tapes I heard she sounded more like the abuser than the abused.
Scottie Mom
(5,812 posts)Ah, yes, the tapes. She came off as an abuser and Depp as the abused. She just could not support with credible evidence the story she was spinning.
Doc Sportello
(7,484 posts)Where she goes from normal to total psycho with such speed and conviction that I have never seen in film. As I said in another thread, she is either a great actress or the producers saw that in her.
2Gingersnaps
(1,000 posts)Very well stated.
Mosby
(16,252 posts)About his lawyers actions.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)sees a penny as she owes Depp 13 million.
Sympthsical
(9,028 posts)This is devastating for her.
However, let's see what the damages are. They could still wash their hands of it.
(But $7 million would be poetic - her divorce amount).
underpants
(182,585 posts)Thats what this was all about to me.
Sympthsical
(9,028 posts)But that was never point of any of this, agreed.
Calista241
(5,585 posts)She cant hide assets behind bankruptcy for this type of claim.
Siwsan
(26,241 posts)I think he has a multitude of problems and short comings but being an abuser just never seemed to ring true. He has such a reputation of being a good man, according to people who work with him, and encounter him, and he had so many character witnesses, both in court and out, and I don't really remember any coming forward specifically for her and, again, haven't heard many people speaking up for her, specifically.
Jedi Guy
(3,175 posts)I'm hardly an expert on domestic abuse, but I feel like if a person is prone to abusing their partner, that behavior will be present in all of their relationships. Despite that, not one of Depp's former partners, so far as I'm aware, alleged or testified that he was abusive towards them. So why would he not be abusive in those relationships, then suddenly turn abusive with Heard? I suppose each relationship is unique and different people will draw out different aspects of one's personality, but you'd think he'd have displayed a pattern of behavior, which is what most abusers do, as far as I've read/heard.
I think his demeanor on the stand helped a lot, too, with his funny and self-deprecating humor. One thing he said that struck me was, "the only person I have ever abused is myself." He's definitely got some problems, with substance abuse being a major one, but he doesn't come across as a violent person, despite the heinous assault on those kitchen cabinets that Heard caught on film.
Either way, hopefully Hollywood will take the hint from the verdict and from the groundswell of support for Depp in the court of public opinion and give him his career and life back. He deserves both, in my opinion.
Siwsan
(26,241 posts)I had no idea they ever dated or were in a film together. I know she's about 12 years older than him and was with Al Pacino for a while. I always liked her as an actress.
I don't know if you've ever seen the video of when Johnny went to the children's hospital dressed as Jack Sparrow. It is a joyful thing to watch. It speaks volumes as to his true character, IMHO.
Jedi Guy
(3,175 posts)The only thing I can recall seeing Beverly D'Angelo in is National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation. She was perfect as the foil to Chevy Chase's Clark Griswold. My wife and I watch that movie every Christmas, and it takes me back to when I was a kid.
As for their relationship, I'd say controlling, while not great, is a long way from being abusive. Maybe a step on the path to becoming abusive, I guess? Still a far cry from the allegations of physical abuse and sexual violence that Heard leveled against him.
And yeah, he strikes me as a fundamentally okay guy who's got a lot of personal demons. It's heartwarming when actors/actresses visit sick kids in character, I agree. I know Chris Pratt has done so as Star Lord, Chris Evans as Captain America... matter of fact, I think a lot of the people in the MCU have done it. Maybe Disney puts it in the contracts that they have to.
lindysalsagal
(20,564 posts)of-the-world gas-lights innocent know-nothing helpless 19 year old. " On the contrary, publishing something so negative shows she was already strong, so, she lost the jury's sympathy.
I also know women who marry just for the divorce, and none of us will ever know if that was the case. It's difficult for world famous actors to marry, being in the spotlight.
I'm sure he's charming and he can be handsome and attractive, but I'd never consider taking him on. He's a tiger you'll never really have to yourself. She should have known that.
Hav
(5,969 posts)and was even allowed to do so was to make a statement against Heard's insinuation that Depp abused Moss. Another lie that backfired.
Jedi Guy
(3,175 posts)If there's any justice in the world, Aquaman 2 will be her last major film role for a long, long time.
iemanja
(53,010 posts)and testified to it.
https://nypost.com/2022/05/19/ellen-barkin-says-johnny-depp-threw-wine-bottle-at-her/
From the bits I heard, it sounds like Depp and Heard abused each other.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)she was bitter about the breakup...got to consider the source. No one else ever said anything like this before Amber.
iemanja
(53,010 posts)Barkin was under oath. She testified that he always always drunk, which confirms what many other people say about him. Barkin had a five month relationship with Depp that ended in the 1990s. Your claim that she committed perjury because she was "bitter about the breakup" holds no water. It instead relies on the dominant narrative that women are always liars.
The GOP is creaming their pants over this verdict. https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/house-republicans-bizarrely-gloat-after-johnny-depp-verdict/ar-AAXYHBG
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)he threw a bottle in her direction. That is what she testified to. If she is claiming abuse she didn't do it on the stand. As for Republicans gloating so what... the truth is the truth. In my opinion, Amber Heard lied on the stand. She had no right to publicly claim abuse when it didn't happen and that he raped her which also didn't happen...she had no bruises or evidence of abuse...and the rape charge was new with the post article. She had never claimed that before. I think she was lying...we do know she was abusive though from several tapes that were played in court.
Hav
(5,969 posts)for the divorce settlement that she claimed to have donated. She should still have the majority of that money if the intention was to donate it.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)family and threatening him with the TRO she filed if he didn't accede to her demands. I call that blackmail. He didn't give her what she demanded so she filed the TRO. I consider she used Me Too which I find disgusting.
MLAA
(17,238 posts)over $14 million.
Baitball Blogger
(46,675 posts)MenloParque
(512 posts)Elessar Zappa
(13,896 posts)Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)overwhelming that she was lying and had actually abused Johnny Depp.
Kingofalldems
(38,419 posts)FSogol
(45,435 posts)Each day of the trial got worse with more and more people. The police shut down a lane of Judicial Drive a few times and took some of the lights off of auto on 123.
Kingofalldems
(38,419 posts)FSogol
(45,435 posts)I certainly don't get it.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)I have quite a bit of his music...I have never heard a better version of Hallelujah than his; it is on YouTube. And I love pirate movies-all of them. I watched the entire trial as hubs is recovering from two surgery (the first spinal surgery the doctor used too small screws so it had to be redone.) at home. I am the official nurse. Amber Heard deserved to lose. She absolutely lied and set out to destroy him.
IntravenousDemilo
(5,431 posts)Our long national nightmare is finally over! Now we can concentrate on something worthwhile!
Doc Sportello
(7,484 posts)Wow!
Hamlette
(15,407 posts)former9thward
(31,925 posts)Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,304 posts)underpants
(182,585 posts)Theyve completely reshaped him. From stories Id ran across my book on him was done. Sorry but thats just me.
I was a fan of his work but Ive heard enough over the years.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)bruise on her right cheek when she got her restraining order. The same evening no bruise at all in the picture of Heard and a friend. Of course, Depp was out of the country for a couple of months and she knew this. Then several years later she accuses him of sexual assault in a Washington Post article. She was planning to use Me Too to further her career IMHO.
Siwsan
(26,241 posts)Although normally I would agree with you, I never bought her story, and I'm someone who has been subjected to abuse. She was just caught in far too many lies.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)where she says she didn't punch him, she hit him, stop being a baby, he is not hurt and no one will believe him...my ex said the exact same thing to me.
2Gingersnaps
(1,000 posts)that is the thing....actual domestic abuse survivors saw the gaslighting. We know that nightmare. I grew up that way, I was fortunate in my marriage, I married a gentle man no woman or child ever had reason to fear.
But I saw my daughter go through it. Because she thought all men were honorable like her father.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)trigger and the gun jammed...I don't know why. I scooped up my toddler ran for the car and left. I didn't even have a license but went down to a neighbor's summer house. She had given me a key. I waited until my ex's friend picked him up for work and drove the car back as I had no doubt he would report it as stolen.
I took my baby and what I could carry and left... hitchhiked to the next town and called my Mom and Dad...told them. They wired me money and I went home. I spent that summer in a small lakeside resort in New Hampshire as I waited for custody and my ex's rages to subside.
My Dad who was one of the best men that ever lived talked my ex into going to Rehab and paid for it. He said he didn't want his granddaughter's father to be an addict. It worked. I have never heard he ever did drugs again or had a drink. but it was too late for me. I could never go back. Maybe that is why I was interested in the trial. I too was told that no one would believe me. I was a wild child as my mom called me... had married at 18 and was divorced by 21. I got my act together and went to college...made a life for my daughter and me...I met the love of my life some years later and have been blessed with a total of four children and a rewarding career. I am after a rocky start one of the lucky ones.
2Gingersnaps
(1,000 posts)for his daughters abuser, it was a blessing your daughter did not have to live that! This is why I hate the word "victim," we are SURVIVORS!! Love to hear histories like this! Happily ever after is out there!
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)someone in need...we would have kids end up at our house sometimes...runaways and my Dad would call their parents and see they got home-he put them on the bus or whatever. He was really good man.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)obamanut2012
(26,041 posts)I followed the UK trial closely as well, and the Depp PR machine didn't work there like here. She sucks, but so what? This is such a fucked up verdict.
All the MRAs and Proud Boys are literally crowing over this putting "women in their proper place," etc. The people on here crowing over this do not get what they are siding with. They are saying this will stop women from reporting them, and it will.
DenaliDemocrat
(1,474 posts)By a neighborhood girl. He was friends with her and never even kissed her or even held her hand. She had been having sex with another young man and made up the rape story when the doctor saw that she was sexually active at 14. She blamed him so her 17 year old boyfriend would not get into trouble for statutory rape. Three years later the truth came out but his life was already ruined.
This is about the truth.
SergeStorms
(19,143 posts)Just how it looks to Proud Boys and such?
Interesting.
deurbano
(2,894 posts)SergeStorms
(19,143 posts)I give up. That's twice today I've done that.
It was supposed to be a reply to the post above this one.
2Gingersnaps
(1,000 posts)Forget the Proud Boys, our abuser destroyed both my older sister and younger brother in foster care, and she was another malignant narcissist. She could sing "How Great Thou Art" like the saints were marching in, and she was the sacrificial saint fighting for our protection in public. The things that rolled out of her mouth were far worse than having your head beat up against a wall by your ears. The two middle sisters survived, and I was the only one NOT sexually abused. But I took more than my fair share of beatings with a razor strap because "I was too proud to be demeaned at that level." Everyone in my whitebread rural conservative Christian "duty to report" community knew, it was just easier to look the other way. Teachers, family, pastors, coaches. Hell, the football coach was the one who molested my oldest sister. A two year old boy who lost both parents was so beaten and bullied he never made it out of high school able to function in the real world. He matriculated to prison, just in case you never heard of the "foster care to prison pipeline." The two people who testified that they were terrified of him were the ones who beat, tormented and terrorized him. Just in case the Proud Boys don't think domestic abuse happens to males too.
Within months of my fathers death my thirteen year old sister was pregnant by my Uncle, his wife, my mothers sister called her a liar. She still does. Abortion had just become legal, and I don't recall DNA evidence being a thing in 1973 but you can bet those two God loving Christian Republicans made sure she got an abortion.
In school, we all knew who the others were, the ones no one protected, no one defended. Guess what? We are EVERYWHERE. Mostly shamed into silence "for the good name of the family." oh, and good ole patriarchy. A man sat and watched her do what she did and did not protect us either, Bible or some such. You want to see protection in those situations, you should see how isolation of the four of us protected those four social security checks that went into their savings account every month, their retirement income. If only we had known, or were even capable of that kind of thought, it was a federal crime to steal the checks, but we had two months after aging out after graduation to report the theft-we aged out and our family ended the day the checks did, we had to be self supporting with no preparation to do so the day we graduated. So yeah, their crimes went unpunished.
Suddenly out of the blue with no record of being violent before at 50? Bullshit. Getting up in an aggressive abusers face and "giving as good as you get" and throwing hands when you suffer a lifetime of PTSD and have full blown panic attacks around loud and aggressive people? Your fight or flight has no metric on threat level and the only cure is competent counseling and training to control a fight or flight that works overtime no matter what? And that person "gives as good as they get?" BULLSHIT.
We are the people she fucked over as much as him.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)I was just a brat honestly...but you went through so much horror...
2Gingersnaps
(1,000 posts)They fell in love right out of high school, she was a tall beloved beauty, got married, had kids, he was a welder, made great money for the time and place. She died of a brain tumor at age 24. He had to fight for custody of us from her parents, he had to work and had four small children. Her mother was a malicious hateful woman who did not take no for an answer. They fought over custody of us for 8 years, then he dropped dead of a heart attack. When he died she turned that spite onto us.
Needless to say, I am a huge proponent of effective mental health care. My grandparents were highly destructive people, violence was a way of life, it adversely controlled all four of their children's lives. There was no basic follow up from the courts on our custody, they just dropped us there and did not look back. My local news station just a week ago said there were 20 children who died in foster care this year and the year is only half over, it is one of those intransigent problems that government seems to have no good answer for.
The only person I ever heard talk about the foster system with eyes wide open was a paraplegic Cleveland Court Judge running for Ohio Supreme Court, Judge Peter Sikora, back in my politically activist days. Needless to say, he lost. Government is so penny wise and pound foolish, he spoke of the waste of human capital in lives destroyed that would take comparatively little investment compared to the cost of the destroyed lives. It just curdles my blood when the do nothing crowd wins elections by proclaiming how much they value life. 20 dead kids in six months isn't valuing life. Not wanting to help domestic abuse survivors, or treat domestic abuse perps just guarantees a repeat of the cycle. You were blessed to break free and hugs to your parents!!!!
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)what happened to them...horrifying. I had a friend in college who went to hairdressing school and put herself through college doing this...she had gotten a skill so she could get her younger brother out of foster care she had been in the home and aged out at 18...given a suitcase and put out of the house. She told me they were not fed the same food as the family, and she and her brother were forced to work like slaves...the Foster money was spent on the family and not for the kids. She got him out at 19 he was 10 I think and raised him.
2Gingersnaps
(1,000 posts)people get too comfortable "not knowing." The cycle is never broken. I lived in the same district that Congressman Jim Jordan "serves." That is the guy who looked away while hundreds of student wrestlers were being abused at OSU by the team doctor. Oh yeah, Ohio is definitely a duty to report state and he did not. You see the character of that man. When it came out, he tried to get the students he turned his back on to COVER FOR HIM!!!!!
Over the years, I had the care of all three of my siblings at some point. My late husband, bless him, never thought twice about helping them. My older sister was profoundly schizophrenic from the abuse, my grandparents controlled her, she was left to live on welfare, she actually went through college twice but was never able to function in the real world. When they died I picked her up, took her to a mental health facility and told the truth about how she came to be that way. She had five safe years out of fifty living independently, able to hold a job, sheltered and protected through her apartment complex and her job. So much more productive than casting them out to sink or swim where they end up on the streets homeless and fed on or in the prison system. She never wanted to be dependent on her baby sister. She had a brilliant mind, she was just non functional, scared of people, and confused, medication, counseling, and training saved her and gave her her dignity.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)SergeStorms
(19,143 posts)That said, the statement was made about the proud boys, and that's what I was addressing.
Hav
(5,969 posts)for some it's apparently about triggering the proud boys. I think that kind of reasoning tells you all about the substance of the claims in question.
I hope the reputation of your nephew will be rehabilitated over time.
DenaliDemocrat
(1,474 posts)The truth came out when the girl entered residential treatment. Telling the truth an apologizing was part of her therapy.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)He had been at the same bar as the accuser. Police questioned and arrested him based on her here say. Later it turns out she was intoxicated and was confused about who had raped her, the actual rapist was found, someone who had followed her home and gained access to her apartment either by her letting him in or another way. But because she had been hanging around with the accused and another group of people she decided it must have been him who raped her. Fortunately he was released and vindicated on some level but it did a lot of long term damage.
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)My family is going through a similar incident but she hasn't admitted she lied. (Yet) The story was so ridiculous I don't see how anyone could have believed it. Yet here we are.
DenaliDemocrat
(1,474 posts)Complete with him stomping on her and then waving a condom in her face before forcibly raping her. I mean, it was pretty ridiculous in retrospect.
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)but she didn't know if she saw anything or not. The sister says she didn't see anything but the charges are going forward anyway. I think this may be headed for trial.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)video. If anyone is to blame for whatever impact this has on ME TOO...it is Amber Heard who used the movement to destroy Depp.
TheRealNorth
(9,462 posts)Otherwise, if there are women who think that they can get away with it, there will be spurious accusations made that will discredit everyone without solid evidence.
It could also be used to sink the political careers of innocent men.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)eissa
(4,238 posts)As Amber Heard clearly did, does far more damage to survivors than this verdict.
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hlthe2b
(102,105 posts)I can only gauge her credibility on what little I saw and her body language, which I did observe closely on the video segments I saw. My gut tells me she is not credible and has thus set the movement back many decades. My pain is not for her, but for the countless victims of DV and sexual harassment who will suffer as a result. And IF, (as it appears) she is a liar, may she spend the rest of her life trying to make up for that damage to other women.
Hav
(5,969 posts)A surprising but fantastic decision. Everyone could see through her lies, the jury included.
It's not the verdict that damages survivors, it's liars like Heard who hurt the credibility of actual victims.
Beaverhausen
(24,469 posts)Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)The evidence showed that she lied. This does nothing to hurt survivors.
PJMcK
(21,988 posts)Since they sat through the trial and heard all of the testimonies-- which none of us listened to in its entirety-- the verdict that they came to unanimously is questionable?
Do you believe in our justice system or not?
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)was correct. My husband has been making non-stop fun of me. He is recovering from his second surgery in two months so I am at home. I watched it all...don't know why honestly.
PJMcK
(21,988 posts)And that youre comfortable, too!
I recently had a full knee replacement and I struggled mightily to keep my wife from seeing ,y painful recovery! Good luck!
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)a drug addict and narcissist. I cannot believe the jury thought her writing an op-ed in which he was not named was defamation. She was so much younger than him. Their relationship was not one of equanimity.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)She does drugs too...not that I care about that. But what she did was lie during the trial. She caught and that is why she lost deservedly. I think Depp gets his life back and he should. The Me Too movement should not be used in this fashion by Heard or anyone else.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)He can never get his reputation back. No matter that they were lies.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)destroy him. It was proven that she hit him...and in the Washington Post article, she claimed for the first time that he sexually abused her...that he raped her. There were tapes where she said I hit you I didn't punch you...don't be a baby.
prodigitalson
(2,377 posts)How would that silence anyone?
Autumn
(44,972 posts)was a lot of cocaine and booze even when she knew how he reacted to coke. Marijuana was his drug of choice, hers was coke and mushrooms. She is a nasty, vindictive liar. She is not a survivor. She was verbally and physically abusive as hell. I saw no proof at all that he physically abused her and it seems the jury didn't see any either.
littlemissmartypants
(22,531 posts)There was one point it occurred to me that she might have been drugging him. Her own sister revealed at some point to one of his staff that she was afraid Amber would kill him.
Drugging him to death was certainly plausible and with his substance abuse issues, as a polyabuser, it could have been done easily. It would have been perceived as an accidental death at that point as his own substance abuse could have been blamed. The fact that she was reportedly furious when she found out she wasn't in his will was also telling.
For clarification in case you weren't aware...
Love bombing is the practice of overwhelming someone with signs of adoration and attractionthink flattering comments, tokens of affection, or love notes on the mirror, kitchen table, or windshield, and youre beginning to get the picture. Its flowers delivered at work with hearts dotting the is in your name. Its texts that increase in frequency as they increase in romantic fervor. Its surprise appearances designed to manipulate you into spending more time with the bomberand, not coincidentally, less time with others, or on your own.
When someone tells you just how special you are, it can be intoxicating, at first. However, when a person uses such comments to keep your focus trained on him or her, or to keep bringing you back in if youve started to back off, it could be a case of manipulation. Not everyone who whispers sweet nothings in your ear is a narcissist or predator, of course, but if youre feeling that something just isnt right about the person or your relationship, these constant reminders of "how good you are together"when you suspect that you really arentcan be an effort to keep you tethered. Its often the first line used by a potential abuser.
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Love Bombing: A Narcissist's Secret Weapon
A whirlwind romance should never feel like a manipulation of your heart.
Posted April 13, 2018
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/lifetime-connections/201804/love-bombing-narcissists-secret-weapon
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Signs and Stages of Love Bombing
Common signs that someone is love bombing another person may include:
Gives numerous and/or extravagant gifts, particularly early in a relationship
Excessive and/or exaggerated flattery
Early, frequent, and/or extreme declarations of love and affection (for example, saying I love you, Youre my soul mate, or Youre everything Im looking for on a first date)
Attempts to be in constant contactfor example, bombarding the other person with nonstop texts or phone calls
Seeks quick commitment; in a romantic relationship, for example, brings up things like marriage or moving in together right away
Displays emotional neediness and reactivity; may become upset if the other person has other plans or doesnt answer a communication right away
Ignores attempts by the other person to set boundaries
Love bombing tactics are intended to overwhelm the target and make them feel as if theyve found a true connection. Many love bombers intend for their target to spend increasingly less time with friends and family in favor of spending time with the perpetrator.
But after an early period of affection and attention (often referred to as idealization), love bombers will typically start to engage in more openly aggressive and harmful tacticssuch as withdrawing affection when angry, insulting the other person, attempting to control their appearance or behavior, berating them for small mistakes, or even engaging in physical abuse. This period is often referred to as devaluation. Cycling between periods of idealization and devaluation is common; indeed, returning to overly affectionate behavior can be a way for the perpetrator to make up for the abuse that occurred during the devaluating phase and keep the other person invested in the relationship in spite of its obvious problems.
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Love Bombing
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/love-bombing
Autumn
(44,972 posts)Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)Sneederbunk
(14,275 posts)Response to Sneederbunk (Reply #17)
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a kennedy
(29,606 posts)tishaLA
(14,176 posts)these days. IMO, based on the testimony, the evidence, and the skill of the respective lawyers, it was the right verdict--and I went into it completely on her side based on what I'd read about the British case.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)Heard. She tried to use it to destroy an innocent person. And it was just plain wrong.
highplainsdem
(48,886 posts)Loryn
(942 posts)but I don't think I'd want to be married to either one of them.
ForgedCrank
(1,757 posts)we never have to hear their names again.
NNadir
(33,456 posts)...Ukraine, our democracy, climate change, gun violence, etc.
Before this consumed my life I barely knew who these people were or are or might be. I'm not quite sure who they are now to be honest, but I'm sure it was all very important.
Martin68
(22,755 posts)Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)the UK. There really was no evidence Depp even knew about it.
SunImp
(2,223 posts)Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)and friends he has had for years. On the other hand, Amber Heard's friends no longer speak to her mostly and the rest were paid.
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RipVanWinkle
(213 posts)he would have had to enroll in amber management classes .
Joinfortmill
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OverBurn
(942 posts)Edit: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142924651
Didn't see this before.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)Noahv
(61 posts)Let's not be sexist by pretending Amber Heard didn't win one of the cases.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)the jury did not believe she proved all the statements. The lawyer or the insurance company pays that. Amber Heard lost her case against Depp completely...the jury didn't believe a word. All the jury had to see was one case of abuse and they had to find for her...there was no abuse of Amber. She hit Johnny though by her own admission.
d_b
(7,462 posts)no idea about the details. Going to reward myself with a few shots of bourbon tonight.
moonscape
(4,672 posts)a trial until I turned on the news in the car and the verdict was being read.
d_b
(7,462 posts)🤣
I kept seeing it mentioned in my Twitter feed, but I refused to read about it.
RevBrotherThomas
(838 posts)The disintegration of a 2-way abusive relationship. Has had everyone foaming at the mouth for a month with the play by play featuring their intimately abusive squabbles, complete with non stop memes. Glad this is disappearing from my feed.
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)SunImp
(2,223 posts)Depp won money and a little enjoyment from Amber's grief. MRA/Redpill types will use this event to smear all woman as liars.
It's Heard's disgusting lies that could be so damaging to actual victims.
The moment she took the stand, it was obvious she was putting on a show. In hindsight, it shouldn't be surprising that the jury didn't believe her bs.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)I believe and the jury believed she was lying...if they had believed one instance of abuse, they would have to find for Amber Heard, but they didn't believe it because it never happened IMHO.
Autumn
(44,972 posts)In fact it was more the opposite. The only grief she suffered was losing a wealthy man who gave her whatever she and he sister and her friends wanted. Her own dear sister confided to one of his staff she was afraid Amber Turd was going to kill him. Women who are liars and set out to abuse and smear men should have to pay for doing that. It hurts all women.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)credible abuse of Amber, Depp would have lost. They didn't.
Demobrat
(8,957 posts)Mostly his testimony in the beginning, then I lost interest. It sounded to me like mutual combat between two substance abusers. I would have thrown the case out of court, or found for him and awarded him $1.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)I could care less.
We have Russia waking up. We are still fighting Covid. We could be looking at a great depression. We all kinds of inequality running a muck. And oh please don't get me started on the global climate change crisis.
Amber and Johnny is much to do about nothing when you look at the world.
calimary
(81,085 posts)and the Amber and Johnny mess doesnt even get off the ground.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,102 posts)Botany
(70,442 posts)iemanja
(53,010 posts)https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/jury-reaches-verdict-johnny-depp-wins-libel-trial-amber-heard-partially-wins-countersuit/ar-AAXYaGn
The two verdicts seem contradictory.
Hav
(5,969 posts)But what makes sense to me is that the jury agreed with Depp that Heard lied about her claims but that one of the statements made by Depp's lawyer alleging a conspiracy to stage the scene for the police were false and defamatory. The other statements that actually used the term hoax were not seen as defamatory.
Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)He or his insurance company will pay in fact. She one nothing. If the jury believed even one abuse claim that Heard made, Depp would have lost. She was lying.
C Moon
(12,208 posts)angrychair
(8,677 posts)People care more about this pointless, shitty trial and the pointless, shitty people involved, than they do about the civil rights of women or the lives of those children murdered in Uvalde.
TNNurse
(6,924 posts)Shanti Shanti Shanti
(12,047 posts)Demobrat
(8,957 posts)Like taking a break from the news by flipping to a soap opera.
Elessar Zappa
(13,896 posts)totodeinhere
(13,056 posts)LudwigPastorius
(9,092 posts)That money would buy him, and Depp, a hell of a lost weekend.
Chalco
(1,307 posts)5 men, 2 women.
I know that in the end that they agreed but how much of that agreement was
coercion from wanting to get out of there. I find it very suspicious.
Please don't attack me.