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fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 07:20 AM Jun 2022

Unlike some, I believe the hearings are going to grab the attention of the entire nation.

Everyone will be talking about. Yes, even Trump voters. It will control the news cycle.

The committee members have been telling us for months they have the evidence. I do not think we are going to see a lot people giving their opinions. This will not be about heresy.

We are talking undeniable smoking gun evidence. E-mails, texts, phone calls, documents, videos, witness testimony.

I believe they have put together a detailed timeline leading up to and during the attack on the capital, all backed up by undeniable evidence.

Hang on tight, it's going to be a hell of a ride. All of the traitors are going to be exposed.

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Unlike some, I believe the hearings are going to grab the attention of the entire nation. (Original Post) fightforfreedom Jun 2022 OP
Is this just wishful thinking or do you know something? Funtatlaguy Jun 2022 #1
The former, not the latter. BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #60
The magaloons won't even watch it Beachnutt Jun 2022 #2
If Trump is threatened, they will watch it. kentuck Jun 2022 #3
Here is how Trump will counter it, gab13by13 Jun 2022 #6
As usual, they will be told what to think. kentuck Jun 2022 #7
If no one goes to jail the Magat response is simple, gab13by13 Jun 2022 #18
Yes, I think that will be the case. kentuck Jun 2022 #22
So what if the select committee exposes all of the traitors gab13by13 Jun 2022 #4
The DOJ may have special plans for Meadows. fightforfreedom Jun 2022 #14
I agree. kentuck Jun 2022 #15
Meadows is in deep shit. He was involved in everything. fightforfreedom Jun 2022 #16
Definitely. kentuck Jun 2022 #17
I admit, this post made me smile, gab13by13 Jun 2022 #20
You don't know what evidence the committee or the DOJ have. fightforfreedom Jun 2022 #25
I doubt they will subpoena Meadows, my guess he is a target along with Trump Bev54 Jun 2022 #37
Meadows is the MVP Beachnutt Jun 2022 #45
Meadows and Peter Navarro are both prison bound. sarcasmo Jun 2022 #54
So what if DOJ has special plans for Meadows? gab13by13 Jun 2022 #19
Maybe there is a good reason they did not charge Meadows yet, we don't know. fightforfreedom Jun 2022 #23
I know for a fact that Merrick Garland is an honest, decent person. gab13by13 Jun 2022 #34
It would damage the "institution" far more if he did not charge for the crimes. Bev54 Jun 2022 #38
I agree KS Toronado Jun 2022 #40
Fat chance. They are holding the hearings in the summer. N/t FSogol Jun 2022 #5
I think you're overly optimistic. nancy1942 Jun 2022 #8
They will only care if it affects them personally. kentuck Jun 2022 #10
the select committee is a legislative committee, gab13by13 Jun 2022 #12
I cannot understand your logic. fightforfreedom Jun 2022 #21
I listen to people who know what they are talking about, gab13by13 Jun 2022 #29
I listen to people with experience also. fightforfreedom Jun 2022 #42
After Barr and all the "acting" Attorney Generals... kentuck Jun 2022 #43
There you go, I think it is more like 3/4 couldn't care less. In the USA doc03 Jun 2022 #27
no, about 1/3 of the country has their heads up their ass. mopinko Jun 2022 #50
COULDN'T care less Skittles Jun 2022 #61
We need the media to do its job elias7 Jun 2022 #9
When they start handcuffing these traitorous assholes, then they'll start Emile Jun 2022 #11
Bingo! kentuck Jun 2022 #13
Agreed. NanceGreggs Jun 2022 #24
I think the goal is to attract those who didn't vote before, rather spooky3 Jun 2022 #26
as soon as the Jan6 publicly reveals criminality... RicROC Jun 2022 #28
Why wait for the 1/6 hearings? gab13by13 Jun 2022 #30
I totally agree... RicROC Jun 2022 #33
I Know It Shouldn't Matter, But I Hope They PRODUCE The Whole Thing Well Beetwasher. Jun 2022 #31
i read they have hollywood talent on board. mopinko Jun 2022 #51
Good, That's What I'm Talking About Beetwasher. Jun 2022 #52
That's so important tishaLA Jun 2022 #56
I Also Think She May Be the Best Messenger Because She's GOP Beetwasher. Jun 2022 #57
I'll be watching Ananda62 Jun 2022 #32
This will be a Ratings Bonanza!! The Media will be all over it ashredux Jun 2022 #35
I think you are wrong edhopper Jun 2022 #36
I hope you are wrong... kentuck Jun 2022 #39
I hope I am proven wrong too. edhopper Jun 2022 #46
We'll have to wait and see which side is right. Boomerproud Jun 2022 #41
K & R! I tend to agree with you. I think it's going to be a bigger deal than anyone is expecting. liberalla Jun 2022 #44
Yes, the past failures, decisions have been painful. fightforfreedom Jun 2022 #48
I hope so... Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #47
Only if you get Johnny Depp to testify. SoonerPride Jun 2022 #49
Maybe we'll learn that Rudy took dump in someone's bed! Xavier Breath Jun 2022 #58
Hahahaha SoonerPride Jun 2022 #59
i agree w you. there's too much red meat there to ignore. mopinko Jun 2022 #53
The Watergate hearings were a different era, this won't be like that FakeNoose Jun 2022 #55

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
3. If Trump is threatened, they will watch it.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 07:44 AM
Jun 2022

Because he will have to counter all the charges against him in order to keep their support at an acceptable political level.

They will be looking to him for guidance.

gab13by13

(21,304 posts)
6. Here is how Trump will counter it,
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 07:51 AM
Jun 2022

it's an illegal witch hunt. It doesn't matter one iota if the select committee exposes all of the traitors with hard evidence, how will that hold the traitors accountable?

Don't fall back on GOTV, the Magats are being put in positions of power in Democratic precincts to disrupt the vote. The 2022 election will not be a fair election unless DOJ gets involved to stop the planned disruption of voting in Democratic prcincts. DOJ has the authority to stop these plans, it has a civil rights division.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
7. As usual, they will be told what to think.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 07:55 AM
Jun 2022

But if one of their own is attacked, or threatened with jail, they will be told that it matters and they will care very much about it.

Otherwise, it is all "fake news". But, I don't think it is a story they can escape.

gab13by13

(21,304 posts)
18. If no one goes to jail the Magat response is simple,
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:40 AM
Jun 2022

the select committee was just a partisan witch hunt.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
22. Yes, I think that will be the case.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:47 AM
Jun 2022

They knew it all along.

Just like they knew Hillary was going to jail after Durham finished his investigation.

gab13by13

(21,304 posts)
4. So what if the select committee exposes all of the traitors
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 07:46 AM
Jun 2022

with hard evidence, so what? What will happen next? Day 169 since the select committee sent DOJ the Mark Meadow's criminal referral.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
15. I agree.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:22 AM
Jun 2022

I think too much may be assumed by the fact that Meadows has not been indicted yet. Who knows, maybe Meadows is working with them on the sly? Maybe they are waiting on much bigger charges than contempt of Congress?

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
16. Meadows is in deep shit. He was involved in everything.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:27 AM
Jun 2022

He was involved in the infamous recorded Georgia phone call. He is probably being looked at by multiple grand juries. We may get to see more of his texts, e-mails which are the rantings of a lunatic.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
17. Definitely.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:30 AM
Jun 2022

He may be smart enough to try and make a deal. Otherwise, he can take off his sunglasses - the future does not look bright.

gab13by13

(21,304 posts)
20. I admit, this post made me smile,
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:45 AM
Jun 2022

There are 3 grand juries convened in DC and we would know if he was subpoenaed.

These traitors used encryption and burner phones so getting to see more communications will be hard.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
25. You don't know what evidence the committee or the DOJ have.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:57 AM
Jun 2022

Meadows has not been subpoenaed as yet, as far as we know. It is possible Meadows is cooperating, we don't know. You are reaching for excuses in order to slam the investigations because everything you believe should be happening is not.

Just because Meadows has not been charged yet means nothing. You are trying to make into something.

gab13by13

(21,304 posts)
34. I know for a fact that Merrick Garland is an honest, decent person.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 10:02 AM
Jun 2022

I know for a fact that Merrick Garland is an institutionalist which means that he could very well choose to not prosecute a guilty person if in doing so it may damage the institution the guilty person worked for.

This is why Garland is defending Trump, the institution of the presidency, in the E. Jeanne Carroll defamation law suit. Garland did not have to defend Trump but he did so to defend the office. I disagree with Garland because I don't believe that an official duty of the presidency involves defaming a woman who is accusing him of rape.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
10. They will only care if it affects them personally.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:07 AM
Jun 2022

If their Leader is threatened with criminal charges, it affects them personally. Until that happens, they don't really care who gets charged or goes to jail.

That's the way it is in a cult.

gab13by13

(21,304 posts)
12. the select committee is a legislative committee,
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:15 AM
Jun 2022

it has no power to indict anyone.

Will it make you feel better if the select committee exposes all of the crimes that DOJ could have charged the traitors with? It saddens me, maddens me.

Day 169 since the Mark Meadows criminal referral, a referral for simply ignoring a subpoena.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
21. I cannot understand your logic.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:45 AM
Jun 2022

You are acting like the Garland/DOJ investigations have ended. You are talking in the past tense, could have charged. They are just starting to heat up. All the evidence shown by the committee will be added to the DOJ investigations. There are multiple grand juries who have started to issue subpoenas, calling witnesses.

The chances of nobody who was involved in the planning of the coup will not be indicted is zero. If that were to happen we might as well abolish the DOJ.

gab13by13

(21,304 posts)
29. I listen to people who know what they are talking about,
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 09:55 AM
Jun 2022

like Jill Wine-Banks who was involved in Watergate. Yesterday she stated that DOJ should have acted sooner. Why did she say that? Do you dismiss what she said?

Steve Bannon was indicted for ignoring a subpoena. Steve Bannon did not exhaust all of his appeals and his trial is scheduled for July 18th. If Bannon is found guilty he will appeal which will send his case into 2023.

The coup plotters have not yet been indicted by DOJ, if one of them is indicted how many years will it take to find them guilty and send them to jail? If a Magat wins the 2024 election I guarantee he will pardon them.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
42. I listen to people with experience also.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 10:58 AM
Jun 2022

They are like all of us. They have no idea what Garland and the DOJ are up too. Banks was involved in Watergate. Did she have to search for, identify, indict , convict over 8 hundred people before she went after Nixon and his inner circle. People forget, Garland spent the first year in office doing this and many other things. He had to hire many new prosecutors. This investigation is the largest in our history. I do not understand why people don't get that.

Some people act like Garland had nothing to do when took office. like he should have immediately arrested all the coup plotters. This investigation makes Watergate look like a church picnic.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
43. After Barr and all the "acting" Attorney Generals...
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 11:06 AM
Jun 2022

The DOJ was not in the best shape in the world, that is true.

In my opinion, this investigation is different from any ever undertaken by the DOJ. It cannot be done in too much of a hurry, but it does no harm to let them know the people expect some sort of action once the investigation is complete. Keeping pressure on the DOJ is not necessarily a bad thing, in my opinion.

doc03

(35,325 posts)
27. There you go, I think it is more like 3/4 couldn't care less. In the USA
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 09:51 AM
Jun 2022

it is always the "Economy".

mopinko

(70,078 posts)
50. no, about 1/3 of the country has their heads up their ass.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 12:15 PM
Jun 2022

30-40% who swallow every word out of tfg's mouth.

elias7

(3,997 posts)
9. We need the media to do its job
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:03 AM
Jun 2022

They need to not bury news that essentially is about nothing short of undermining our democratic republic. They need to keep these things in the news and not be dictated to by what they perceive of as the end of a news cycle

Emile

(22,669 posts)
11. When they start handcuffing these traitorous assholes, then they'll start
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:12 AM
Jun 2022

paying attention. Until then they will stay with Republican talking points blaming high gas prices and worldwide inflation on the Democratic party.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
24. Agreed.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:56 AM
Jun 2022
Ignoring the hearings will not be an option.

They will be THE topic of conversation in every bar, every restaurant, on every grocery store checkout line in the country.

If you take aim at the King, be certain that you don't miss.

The Jan-6 committee knows it won't miss.



spooky3

(34,438 posts)
26. I think the goal is to attract those who didn't vote before, rather
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 09:50 AM
Jun 2022

Than to win over Trumpers. If even 5 percent of them watch and then vote, that will make the difference.

Maybe we can get Heard and Depp to testify.

RicROC

(1,204 posts)
28. as soon as the Jan6 publicly reveals criminality...
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 09:53 AM
Jun 2022

the traitor(s) should be immediately arrested and booked. Let the jury figure it out.

Beetwasher.

(2,970 posts)
31. I Know It Shouldn't Matter, But I Hope They PRODUCE The Whole Thing Well
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 09:57 AM
Jun 2022

They need to go Hollywood here, and turn it into a Reality Show, unfortunately. A Real Life Court Room Drama.

mopinko

(70,078 posts)
51. i read they have hollywood talent on board.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 12:17 PM
Jun 2022

dont remember who, but i know this was said early on. they had a lot of volunteers.

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
56. That's so important
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 12:54 PM
Jun 2022

and the congress people have to avoid their proclivity to speechify and drone on. I hate to admit it, but Cheney is the best on the entire committee at making a forceful, precise argument that's sound byte ready.

Beetwasher.

(2,970 posts)
57. I Also Think She May Be the Best Messenger Because She's GOP
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 12:57 PM
Jun 2022

As much as I hate to say it, highlighting her may be most effective at reaching some folks. Hard to call it partisan if she's the face.

Ananda62

(258 posts)
32. I'll be watching
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 09:59 AM
Jun 2022

But I had to hunt around for the times and found out there are only two days where the hearings are airing in primetime - 6/9 and 6/23. The rest of the days (6/13, 15, 16 and 21), the hearings are at 10 am ET. That will negatively impact viewership.

edhopper

(33,570 posts)
36. I think you are wrong
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 10:06 AM
Jun 2022

and the reaction will be a yawn, with minimal coverage by the Media.

But I wish you were right.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
39. I hope you are wrong...
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 10:21 AM
Jun 2022

For the sake of democracy and for our country.

If there is nothing more than a yawn, it means our democracy is in its death throes. If the people do not care about what is happening to our country, then it is over. Forget about GOTV and all that bullshit.

liberalla

(9,238 posts)
44. K & R! I tend to agree with you. I think it's going to be a bigger deal than anyone is expecting.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 11:25 AM
Jun 2022

People don't want to be disappointed again. They don't want to have their hopes dashed... again.

I think a lot of people have low expectations so as not to "get fooled" again.

The SC deciding for bush, against Gore was a heartbreaker, as was Fitzmas and Mueller... I don't know what will happen but it's going to be bigger than many expect. IMHO

I've been making copies of the hearings schedule and giving them to people.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
48. Yes, the past failures, decisions have been painful.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 11:47 AM
Jun 2022

I get why some people don't want to be disappointed again. I believe this investigation is different, too important, The results of past investigations are irrelevant.

mopinko

(70,078 posts)
53. i agree w you. there's too much red meat there to ignore.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 12:19 PM
Jun 2022

i think they learned a lot from the 2nd impeachment.

FakeNoose

(32,633 posts)
55. The Watergate hearings were a different era, this won't be like that
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 12:34 PM
Jun 2022

I'm old enough to remember Watergate because I was in my early 20's and I watched every it every day. It was all the newspapers and TV news talked about for months.

However nowadays we have internet blogs, Facebook, confirmation feedback bubbles, and "fake news" to tell us how to think and what to believe. People's minds are mostly made up already, and those are the people who will barely listen. I want to be hopeful that at least some minds will be changed by the Committee hearings. (My fingers are crossed.)

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