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January 6th Committee
@January6thCmte
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While todays indictment of Peter Navarro was the correct decision by the Justice Department, we find the decision to reward Mark Meadows and Dan Scavino for their continued attack on the rule of law puzzling.
January 6th Committee
@January6thCmte
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Mr. Meadows and Mr. Scavino unquestionably have relevant knowledge about President Trumps role in the efforts to overturn the 2020 election and the events of January 6th. We hope the Justice Department provides greater clarity on this matter.
January 6th Committee
@January6thCmte
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As the Select Committee has argued in District Court, Mark Meadowss claim that he is entitled to absolute immunity is not correct or justified based on the Department of Justice Office of Legal Counsel Memoranda.
No one is above the law.
Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #1)
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Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)An interesting development.
Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)Let's hope the best reporters aren't taking the weekend off.
Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)The plot thickens.
Maraya1969
(22,479 posts)If people
Edit right here. Please everyone write and call
https://www.justice.gov/contact-us
William769
(55,146 posts)onecaliberal
(32,854 posts)Happens to you.
Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)looks like the Federalists are the ones who call the shots.
onecaliberal
(32,854 posts)NewsCenter28
(1,835 posts)And the fact that a local DA in Georgia is the only one willing to fight to save her country is appalling.
SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)questionseverything
(9,654 posts)mopinko
(70,099 posts)i know that justice, above all depts, needs to be above politics.
but in today's world, that means rooting out those who are there ONLY for the politics.
ecstatic
(32,701 posts)not meadows, scavino, mccarthy, loudermilk, gohmert or any of the other lawless qop fucks. Lock them up!!!
Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)Evidently, not the DoJ.
ecstatic
(32,701 posts)Not that a strongly worded tweet will make much of a difference. Hopefully they are reaching out in other ways as well.
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)clearly ARE above the law.
If the DOJ declines to prosecute you for blatant crimes, that means you are above the law.
None of them is going to get locked up.
gab13by13
(21,333 posts)SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,417 posts)onecaliberal
(32,854 posts)Asking for a country?
Takket
(21,564 posts)it is a pretty simply binary crime. you are asked to show up at a time and place. either you do or don't show up. not a lot needs to be interpreted here. in fact if i was Navarro or Bannon right now I'd be making the case that my 14th amendment rights are being violated because i'm facing prison time for the EXACT same crime that Meadows committed with no indictment.
onecaliberal
(32,854 posts)WiVoter
(908 posts)Have been threatened?
MyOwnPeace
(16,926 posts)I heard Glenn Kirschner say that a friend of Garland said: "HE'S NOT AFRAID OF ANYONE!"
Er, say what?
Takket
(21,564 posts)committee.......... obviously that isn't the case, and the committee's investigation has clearly been hampered by this.
considering how close to drumpf that meadows is, DOJ allowing him to skate may cripple any attempts to indict and prosecute drumpf.
Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)THE COMMITTEE'S INVESTIGATION HAS CLEARLY BEEN HAMPERED BY THIS.
dalton99a
(81,485 posts)Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)How are we feeling now, kids?
agingdem
(7,849 posts)Meadows and Scavino sitting in the hot seat claiming executive privilege 500 times gets them nowhere..the bottom line is the J6 committee is tasked with telling the story of January 6 in all it's terrifying glory...right now I'm more interested in the story the committee has to tell than Meadows evading a J6 contempt charge..and don't forget Garland has convened a number of federal grand juries with the focus on Trump and his inner circle of coup co-conspirators..Garland doesn't need a J6 referral to indict Trump..
Attilatheblond
(2,163 posts)Didn't Olly North go free because he was convicted after he had received some sort of immunity deal to testify before congress in the Iran-Contra affair?
If the J6 Comte really pushes for Meadows and Scavino to appear there, perhaps their counsels would insist on immunity from prosecution in exchange for actual testimony. Maybe THAT is what Garland wants to avoid. Without the threat of prosecution for their own crimes hanging over their heads, they might not be put into positions where they would give up information, in court, to nail Trump's hide to the wall and throw others into prison.
Gonna sit back and wait. Thinking Garland's people are probably playing a smart game. The Comte already has, what was reported, over 2000 texts and docs from Meadows? They might like having him for their public hearings, but they might not really need him for their actual investigation into needed legislation to prevent this whole coup crap in the future. And yes, I do believe a subpoena should be enforced, unless it might mean an immunity deal messing with convictions and prison for the mob bosses that tried to overthrow our government.
Joinfortmill
(14,417 posts)Samrob
(4,298 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)spanone
(135,831 posts)Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)I trust the J6 Committee wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more than the DoJ.
I hope some of the best reporters are on this tonight.
Enormous scandal with possible devastating consequences for the republic.
LonePirate
(13,419 posts)Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,606 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,417 posts)paleotn
(17,912 posts)and they seem rather pissed about it. My heart wants to believe Garland is playing multi-dimensional chess. My brain tells me he's a milksop who needs to be replaced quickly.
WiVoter
(908 posts)Woodward, Bernstein & John Dean were on CNN, I think it was Anderson Cooper, and one of them speculated that a possible reason Meadows & Scavino were left out was because theres a deal being worked out/or worked out already, between them and the J6 Committee. I guess well see what happens.
czarjak
(11,274 posts)Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)That is dopey.
OnDoutside
(19,956 posts)That would not make sense, unless it was a deal with the DOJ. I could see a snivelling rat like meadows doing a deal, but I'd be surprised if Scavino did.
Autumn
(45,071 posts)liberalla
(9,247 posts)But we are just speculating here. I admit I'm hoping there's a good explanation for DoJ making this decision/announcement, and not just letting them off the hook.
towerbum
(263 posts)UTUSN
(70,686 posts)Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)Someone was thinking smart on the committee there.
SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)dchill
(38,488 posts)...why they're not being charged. Also, they might be cooperating. In addition, however, the AG is definitely a member of the Federalist Society. So the whole situation is a big, sticky magnet for a conspiracy theory or three.
What is your source for stating that Garland is "definitely a member of the Federalist Society"? I know there have been rumors, but I haven't seen any conclusive evidence (with emphasis on "conclusive" .
dchill
(38,488 posts)...for a C.T.
Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)kentuck
(111,092 posts)...that they may be working with the DOJ? That may have been their reward?
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PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)1. It hasn't been used for a very long time.
2. There is no jail facility or services to feed/care for prisoners.
Of course, D.C. lockup isn't far away, and has a new wing.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)budkin
(6,703 posts)The writing is on the wall.
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)if that were true, why wouldn't the DOJ say, "We're not prosecuting because they're cooperating."
It would be a boon to the DOJ and scare others to come forward if they could say that.
But they don't say it.
They aren't cooperating.
They're just above the law.
Autumn
(45,071 posts)and just in case
BSdetect
(8,998 posts)LudwigPastorius
(9,139 posts)who is, or isn't, indicted.
housecat
(3,121 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)for 2 years admitting they don't know what's happening while waiting for release of information from inside. Day after day, they must intrigue viewers into listening to them by sounding as if they always know something more.
Feeding viewers' feelings back to them, including "validating" frustration that threatens to lose viewers, is a reliable fallback when they tap out for lack of information.
housecat
(3,121 posts)Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)Wow.
I wouldn't call their words "speculations"
housecat
(3,121 posts)LudwigPastorius
(9,139 posts)the rule of law puzzling."
I would have substituted "bullshit" for "puzzling", but I understand they have to maintain a certain level of decorum.
Lonestarblue
(9,986 posts)The committee seems to believe that Meadows has evidence that would directly tie Trump to the planning of the insurrection and thus to criminal behavior. Forcing Meadows to testify and turn over remaining documents could in turn force the DOJ to take action against Trump. I believe they are doing everything possible to avoid doing that. Opinion onlyno facts to cite.
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)He is not worthy of Attorney General. We need serious action!
Lucky Luciano
(11,254 posts)They need to see how real law enforcement dots all their is and crosses all their ts before a move can be made. Garland has to make sure the case is airtight, and rest assured, he is doing everything the right way. The J6 committee is obviously very naive as to how things really work.
Novara
(5,842 posts)Navarro was easy: he balked from Day 1, citing privilege, which he himself waived by telling all in a book and in TV interviews. THAT'S why he was indicted. HE didn't even hint at cooperating.
Meadows and Sciavino cooperated - up to a point. They didn't shove their middle finger into the J6 committee's faces from the start. Plus, no one here knows whether they are making a deal with the DOJ to flip and give up the orange motherfucker himself. That is a possibility. Wouldn't you much rather see the orange motherfucker go to prison than Meadows be indicted for contempt? I sure would.
The J6 committee is pissed off whenever anybody defies them, and justifiably so. However, all you people jumping to the worst possible conclusions need to step back and see what develops. These two won't get away scot-free. They may right now be giving up a much bigger fish. And I'd much rather see that than for them to be prosecuted right now for what is essentially a parking ticket compared to the much larger crimes all of them committed.
Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)because they cooperated (somewhat) while Navarro didn't and threatened to sue most everyone he could think of, including Dr. Fauci. Since the other two turned over documents and other information, they couldn't be considered in contempt of court, BUT they could later be charged with criminal acts in the next portion of the DOJ's investigation.
Good thing I'm not a lawyer, right?
Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)I think it would take all of about 5 seconds for a Contempt charge to be issued against ANYBODY on DU who failed to appear in court if subpoenaed. That would be "airtight" enough for them to throw ANY of us in the slammer.
I guess power brings privileges, and puts you ABOVE THE LAW though.
Lucky Luciano
(11,254 posts)SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)And there isn't.
Lucky Luciano
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would have been obvious sarcasm (I hate explicitly using the sarcasm emoji as it kills all the fun!). I guess there are enough people here who could say all that with a straight face though!
Joinfortmill
(14,417 posts)Celerity
(43,349 posts)We simply do not know what they know in regards to the overarching investigation.
SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)Do you honestly think they would be saying what they did last night, if they thought there was more going on behind the scenes?
The fact they chose not to remain silent, tells me everything I need to know.
Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)So now, we have received TWO notices from J6 that something is amiss.
1. the recent refusal of the DoJ request for transcripts of committee interviews with actors who might become charged
2. Last night. A notice to the American people that some chicanery may be afoot in an effort to stop their work.
Anyone who does not see the signal here from J6 is fooling themselves.
Celerity
(43,349 posts)SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)You have your opinion, which is fine. My opinion is that in the end, they arent gonna do a thing to hold those at the top of the food chain accountable. And those at the top of that chain are well aware of this.
Celerity
(43,349 posts)SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)I lived through "W" illegitimately winning not 1, but 2 elections. I lived through 2 Impeachments of TFG, the 1st of which basically implicated him in essentially being part of a conspiracy to Rig the 2016 election.
I have very little faith in this country's system of "justice." Some people are above the law. Some are "too big to fail," so to speak.
I see this playing out exactly the same way. I'll be ecstatic if I'm wrong. Precedent in terms of the "accountability" cases I listed above, tells me it's unlikely I will be.
But if I am, I'll be the 1st to speak out and say so. And quite happily I might add.
Bones1
(18 posts)This is very interesting. Did Mr. Meadows and Mr. Scavino become rats ?
Alice Kramden
(2,166 posts)They are providing information
Evolve Dammit
(16,725 posts)that planned and participated in 1/6. After Mueller, I should not be surprised. I am more disgusted than surprised. The average person can see that a criminal mob boss has taken over a major party (one of two) with the help of Russia, to divide this country and encourage a violent overthrow. And DOJ fiddles.