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[agingdem]

1. by naysayers are you referring to the Garland-bashing crowd

or the OMG Chicken Little "sky is falling crowd"..or both?...

[fightforfreedom]

2. Both.

I will give one example of many.

Garland /DOJ is not investigating Meadows for the coup, he will never charge Meadows because Garland is an institutionalist. That is factual wrong. It is an opinion of someone who has given up on the justice system. They jump on anything which they can use in an attempt to prove their point. Nothing will happen, I told you so.

I understand why people are frustrated, but that is no excuse for saying things that are not true or have not happened Yet. Nothing is over yet and nobody has gotten away with anything yet. We are like in the 4th inning, a lot of innings left to play.

[tavernier]

4. Thank you for your valuable inside information.

[agingdem]

10. yesterday was a bipolar case in point.

Navarro indicted>> Garland came through...Meadows contempt charge declined>>Garland undermined the J6 committee (no he did not), institutionalist, fire Garland

the DOJ declining to hold Meadows in contempt pissed off the J6 committee..how dare he not ask our permission..don't you know who we are??....get over it, guys...for months you've teased us with OMGs, blow the roof off, subpoenas, witnesses, ten thousand pages of documents...thank you for those mini reveals..now show us what you've got!!!

[sop]

3. Cheerleaders should establish some sort of time frame for all this yet to be dispensed justice

we keep reading about. Will it come to pass before the '22 elections? Before 2024?

[CrackityJones75]

5. Why?

We don’t have that info. Just like the people saying nothing will happen do not have that info.

[sop]

13. "Why?" Because those who believe "nothing will happen" are declaring Trump and his henchmen

will skate in the end. Cheerleaders continue predicting outcomes that increasingly appear to be nothing more than wishful thinking. I imagine that's why end-of-the-world preachers are constantly forced to postpone doomsday predictions.

[brooklynite]

6. Naysayers should stop using pejoratives like "cheerleaders".

In answer to your question, the appropriate length of time to achieve criminal justice is: "as long as it takes".

[agingdem]

14. That's right...

January 6, fake electors, rigged election, insurrection, treason, sedition..all unprecedented…meting justice is easy…doing right is hard..Garland has to get this right and that takes time…

[sop]

16. Cheerleaders should stop using pejoratives like "naysayers."

Just call us "realists."

[CrackityJones75]

17. Realists wouldn't look at it that way

They would look at the fact that there is a real investigation happening with real hearings starting and be real with the fact that they have absolutely no idea how it will play out.

Being a realist isn’t playing make believe that you know what is going to happen and making declarations about it. That is prognostication and it is being done without any “real” information to back it up.

[sop]

19. We had the Mueller Investigation and two Impeachment Hearings. And nothing happened.

That's not prognosticating, it's reality.

[CrackityJones75]

20. Those aren't the same thing.

By that logic every investigation going forward will yield the same results as those did. That isn’t a realist take at all. (btw the structure of the executive branch, house and senate were different then too)

[sop]

23. Nothing would give me greater pleasure than watching Trump's indictment and prosecution.

Till then I remain a skeptical realist.

[CrackityJones75]

26. I think you are a skeptic

A realist you aren’t. Unless your take is that we have to wait and see what happens there is no realism in your take.

I also think it is absolutely ridiculous to use names like cheerleaders and naysayers. It is juvenile and possibly offensive to some. People definitely are optimists and pessimists. A realist in this situation is one that can admit that we do not know what the outcome will be.

[fightforfreedom]

21. Those examples are irrelevant to the investigations happening now.

Trump was in power and had a corrupt AG. That is no longer the case.

[fightforfreedom]

27. It's the cheerleaders vs the naysayers. Who will be correct.

The cheerleaders who use facts and evidence to draw their opinions or the naysayers who use, nothing has happened, to draw their opinions. Let the best team win.

[fightforfreedom]

9. The cheerleaders do not have a time frame, but they have facts.

There are multiple investigations going on. The open hearings begin next week. Multiple grand juries are calling witnesses and issuing many subpoenas. The evidence already made public is overwhelming, many people are guilty of committing crimes. We all know it.

That's why the cheerleaders are saying they believe people are going to be held accountable.

Naysayers have, nothing has happened yet, it's over, no one will be charged.

[CentralMass]

7. I'm bookmarking this thread. Let see how this ends.

[msfiddlestix]

24. me too n/t

[fightforfreedom]

28. Me too.

[kentuck]

8. I would predict that the J6 Committee does not shut down after the elections...

....because the Democrats will keep the House. They will continue their investigation into next year if the DOJ does not take it over immediately.

[Novara]

11. Keep in mind that everyone has an opinion, just like everyone has an asshole.

There is SO LITTLE that anyone anywhere actually knows about what the J6 committee has and what the DOJ has and where it will lead. Only the committee and the DOJ know. We sure as fuck don't.

But everybody's got their opinion.

[fightforfreedom]

12. A ton of evidence has been made public.

We will learn more for sure, but to say we know little is not true.

[Novara]

15. we know practically nothing compared to what they know

That gives you an idea how huge this is.

We will start finding out what they have this Thursday.

[fightforfreedom]

18. I agree with that.

We are going to learn a lot more. We all know the main plot and will all know the traitors are guilty.

We are debating time frames for indictments, mostly. Some say they are coming, some say never.

[Novara]

29. I won't guess.

I'll just sit back and watch the show.

[msfiddlestix]

22. Interesting certainty. Are you connected to investigators of the DOJ or FBI?

[CentralMass]

25. +1