Navarro gave Garland and the American people a big warning.

[fightforfreedom]

Go after me, us, and see what happens. We will get our revenge after the elections. We will burn this democracy to the ground. We will impeach Biden, go after the Democrats. Don't indict and convict these fascist lunatics and they will come for revenge. That's the real threat, the real warning. They are not hiding their intentions. If the American people vote the Republicans back into power, then they deserve everything that comes their way.

I believe Garland understands this, he better. I hope the American people understand this, not so sure about that. The American people in general have become a bunch of dam fools who can't protect themselves or their families.

Hopefully the open hearings will wake the American people up. This is fascism. This is what it looks like. If you ignore it, don't take action, you will pay a heavy price. Hell, we already are.

[Chainfire]

1. I don't think that the hearings will change anything. The right has perfected the

head-in-the sand trick. They hear what they want to hear and they believe what they are told by their cult leaders. In fact, strong evidence against the Trump cabal will be viewed as proof of the left wing conspiracy to persecute him. We don't have a long way to fall before we find the bottom. We may be living through the last few months of even the illusion of Democracy. If, as predicted, the Republicans return to power in the House and Senate, we better be prepared for the reprisals against all who supported the "Witch hunt." It will be "Their turn" and they will show us who is boss.

[fightforfreedom]

2. I believe they will change things.

The American people have always been the same throughout our history. They slumber along through life until something really bad wakes them up and then they do the right thing. It takes a lot to wake the American people up. We are witnessing it.

[walkingman]

4. I know it will change for sure, it always does. I think it will probably be a generational change

as my generation (Boomer) dies away and the younger generation get older and have to deal with some real challenging issues. In the meantime I think we are in real danger of losing our Democracy and that could get real nasty - I hope not but there is a lot of hatred these days.

My biggest concern is Christian Nationalism. They can and will rationalize terror and evil as a means of bringing about their promised land.

[GoodRaisin]

11. It depends on how it comes out the end of the M$M filter.

Most Americans won’t actually watch it so it depends on how it is portrayed in the social media and the news cycle, and in some cases what news they turn to.

[ShazzieB]

35. I also believe they will change things.

The point is NOT to change MAGAt minds. They're a lost cause. The purpose of the hearings is to share the evidence rhe committee has gathered with as much of the public as possible.

America is not just made up of highly-informed people (DUers, etc.) and closed-minded RWNJs. There are lots and lots of people in between those polar extremes, people who haven't been following things closely enough to be aware of all the details. People who don't agree with the insurrection but don't understand the full ramifications (like how serious the threat to our democracy was and is) or just HOW big of a bfd it is that a rogue potus and his henchpersons tried to overthrow the results of an election.

After the hearings, a lot of those people will be much-better informed, and those of us who were already pretty well-informed will be even more so. With a little luck, the tie will start to turn against thr Trump Cabal on a scale that we haven't yet seen.

[fightforfreedom]

43. I agree, good post.

There are many Americans who are not well informed for whatever reason. Some don't like watching the news, some people are very busy with their lives. When something big happens that's when they start paying attention. Hopefully the hearings will turn into something big that will get their attention.

[padah513]

15. Thanks for your service and well said.

Something positive happens for a change and all the doubters on here spring up like mushrooms after a summer rain to naysay. That crap's getting old.

[Chainfire]

18. Ok, I don't know where that came from, but it reads like

a post from the other side. What "plan" do you suggest that I posted? I suggest that you go ahead and start you "stomping" out now and beat the rush.

My suggestion was that the hearings will not affect the great majority of right wingers. I also predict that the economy will be manipulated to assist right wingers running for office. If you want to argue with that, bring it, but save the hyperbole.

[Chainfire]

33. You certainly have the right to display your anger.

The only way that I know how to fight reasonably is at the polls. I am a vet too, and I hate to tell you, but as far as I can tell, anecdotally of course, is that most of the vets that I know are conservative not progressives. The military, veterans and police are the hotbeds of our modern Fascism. Loyalty to the country does not require blinders, and predicting negative results based upon an "if/then" calculation is not defeatism, but perhaps a warning to prepare; further incentive to work within the system to avoid the consequences. "When it starts" would result in everyone being a loser. We can't save Democracy by destroying the country. No matter who wins, a civil war destroys everything.

Sun Tzu tells us that, "Subjugating the enemy without fighting is the true pinnacle of excellence." The structure of the right is based on a rotten foundation of lies, fear and hate. We just need to figure out which small stone to remove that will bring it crashing down on itself. We do not do that by meeting them, with weapons, on their terms.

In a normal society, the coming hearings might show us weak spot, but I think we left normalcy somewhere on the path behind us. I hope that I am wrong, and that the hearings expose the vermin to the light, but I am not betting the farm on it.

[Chainfire]

46. We aren't that far apart

No apologies necessary. Being passionate in the pursuit of justice is a good thing.

I have been retired for four years now, and I am enjoying it. I just hope the right-wing bastards don't think up a way to take that from me. I do know that they have people that work overtime, nights and weekends trying to figure out how to take everything I have worked for.

[Ferrets are Cool]

27. BS

Unless you are of an age to have fought in WWII, you have NEVER bled for this country. Sheesh, get over yourself. The best you can do is VOTE, just like the rest of us. Just because you are armed doesn't mean that you are going to do ONE DAMNED THING to keep them from "stealing power". Your words, not mine.
And no, you AREN'T sorry to offend. Your entire post was just for that effect. No one here in DU is GIVING UP.
Again, just get over yourself.

[Traildogbob]

32. No blood in

Viet Nam or the Middle East. I get it.
But apologies to all here. As a veteran, who had no right to vote, and all the veterans I see every time at the VA hospital MY age that are having to hear threats from Navarro, Bannon, Jones and non serving pricks like Ted Nugent telling crowds to stomp liberal skulls, it does create an anger that I have a hard time controlling. As do my brothers and sisters that I spend hours with at the hospital in waiting. We share our disgust. I have voted every election after we got the right to vote given to us from that service era after and will continue. So that being stolen away under our noses is infuriating. I Just don’t take threatening my life easy. I will however fight if those 6-1 idiots and other terrorist groups start killing for trump. My blood boils when my daughter and coworkers as a nurse have to have armed escorts walk them to cars after. I will not direct my anger toward any of you.
It’s VERY frustrating to have so many defeatist post that nothing will happen about anything.
Forgive my out burst. I will take a break.

[Chainfire]

36. No one bled in Korea, Vietnam, the African deserts, Panama, Afghanistan?

I agree with your sentiment, but your opening statement is just wrong...There are plenty of living vets that are walking around with no legs and arms.

[Justice matters.]

14. Reprisals for what?

IF they were subpoenaed by the GQP they would show up and answer questions to the best of their knowledge, just like Hillary did for hours. IF presented with made-up 'evidence' of anything, they can refute them to their faces.

The DOJ (in place until January 2025 at the very least and hopefully longer) will not convene any GJ for any made-up evidence by the GQP.

[Chainfire]

25. If the Republicans gain both houses of government, and have majority support on the SC

Do you really think that the DOJ can, or will, stand against them? This is a spiteful bunch we are talking about. Many of them are already discussing impeaching Biden...charges to be invented later. Do you not believe them, or do you not think that they would have the power to continue to pervert justice? If the government changes hands this Winter, we are in for a stormy ride come Spring.

It takes a hell of a lot of optimism to believe that, while controlling the House, the Senate and the Presidency we are losing progressive ground, that if we only control the Presidency we will make giant leaps towards justice. Someone needs to explain to me how that works.

[Chainfire]

40. Reprisals for breathing...

The right is easily offended. Anything that could remotely be imagined on King Donald would be the subject of retribution. This is a damn hateful party we are talking about, one that is not buffered by truth, logic or morals.

[Joinfortmill]

22. I hear you. We need to vote, every damn one of us. DOJ needs to act very soon. Time is short.

[Chainfire]

42. I have not missed a single vote since 1974. Primaries, locals, whatever. If they open the polls I

will be there. I shamefully admit that I once, in my silly youth, voted for a Republican. A Republican sheriff got my vote over a mouth-breathing, Hippie beating, proud dyed-in-the wool redneck. (I struggle with forgiving myself for the error) It is my solemn promise that I will vote if I can push a pencil. I may enter the door on the right, but I will vote on the left.

[Diablo del sol]

28. The right has perfected this with the help of liberals on the Dem side

And we have some very proficient posters on this site who fall into the trap.

Garland is a milquetoast turd respected by many. We see it here daily by posters, guys who constantly belittle and dismiss the fighters. When aggressive people propose going after the repukes, they swarm.

These people are Republican enablers and it has gone on for too long. If it hasn't clicked in your brain yet, we are way past having logical discussions. We are at the point of kicking their ass or getting our ass kicked.

If you don't want to fight, FINE. But step back, there are plenty of us more than willing to take them on. Condemning aggressive liberals plays right into the RW destruction.

[SouthBayDem]

29. Think this way: "If you don't vote, THEY will."

Perhaps there are some undecided/noncommittal voters who are open minded enough to learn what's at stake. If they outnumber the maga qultists they can save democracy.

[walkingman]

3. My evangelical racist (who of course claims not to be) sister completely

ignores the 1/6 insurrection and anytime it is brought up starts talking about Benghazi or Hunter Biden or Jesus.

[fightforfreedom]

5. Yes , there are people who's minds you can never change.

But there are people who like Trump who are not completely radicalized. The right evidence can change their minds. It takes a lot I admit.

[Ligyron]

7. Independents make up a huge part of the voting public.

Maybe these hearings will penetrate their everyday struggle for existence or game of golf.

It’s there our hope must lie.

[paleotn]

31. It's all about framing and repetition.

The televised hearings need to be choreographed with skill in order to do just what you suggest.

[fightforfreedom]

44. Videos are something many Americans can understand and will watch.

I think the hearings will have well put together videos.

[GoodRaisin]

12. Old saying

A wise man can change his mind, a fool never will.

Not sure who said it.

[AZLD4Candidate]

8. Isn't what about-ism great?

[paleotn]

30. I'd have far more respect for them if they'd just come out and admit...

they hate democracy and love theocratic dictatorships as long as their kind is on top. They're xenophobic, garbage humans who'd have loved them some Adolf Hitler. There are those who say exactly that and I grudgingly respect their honesty even if I loath them like putrid slime. The rest make me want to vomit.

[NullTuples]

6. And if they get their way and "win" the elections they will do the same.

There is no timeline where they don't follow that same path taking one route or another so pardon me if I feel his argument is a bit hollow. They've told us their endgame, and that they're willing to accomplish it no matter what. It's only a question of if /when Democrats will decide to act to shut them down everywhere possible rather than stand idly by waiting to react, because that's what our traditions require. And yes, I do value those traditions but I fear we've let them lead us astray this time. They don't work with this sort of adversary willing to burn everything to the ground before we can have a chance to react.

[CrackityJones75]

10. i believe

I believe that in 2 years our country os going to look very different and have a very different future than what most people think right now.

[walkingman]

13. Care to Expound?

[CrackityJones75]

48. I think this country is going to break one way or another.

[CrackityJones75]

49. I think we are at an important turning point as a nation

I think the hearings are going to be a huge pivotal point in our country’s future. I do believe that despite the loud angry gopers that the country IS pushing towards more progressiveness. I think these states pushing for hardline abortion laws are going to find themselves dealing with revolt of some type. Maybe (hopefully?) not violence but I think the fallout for what they want to do will be disastrous for them. “Own the libs” as a policy platform can only take you so far before people realize that you are failing them In other ways. I think that in the next two years we are going to see some changes in our country. it may be ugly at times but I do think that we have to unfortunately go through it.

[Chainfire]

37. You are probably correct. We are like a drunk balancing on one foot, Something has to give.

Round and round she goes, where she stops nobody knows...

[Justice matters.]

16. Do not let the very stupid bullying of navarro get to you.

In ANY event, the DOJ will still be in place until at least January 2025 and hopefully longer.

The criminal clowns in the GQP have NOTHING but totally made-up BS. The DOJ will NOT play their childish games.

[Joinfortmill]

21. Do not underestimate these so called clowns. They're taking over State legislatures and AGs

[bucolic_frolic]

19. Navarro didn't tell you anything you already didn't know

They're coming for democracy one way or another, if they can. Confronting it now will be far easier than succumbing to fear and letting them have the run of the place.

[Joinfortmill]

20. Yes, yes and yes. Be tough and be relentless.

[hay rick]

23. I do not see a response commensurate with the threat.

I work with Democratic volunteers. I am not seeing greater engagement. If anything I am seeing less. Plan A seems to be waiting for some sort of deus ex machina. That works better in fictional universes.

[czarjak]

26. To be fair, Peter is a perfect witch.

[Septua]

34. Messaging...

I keep hearing the pundits saying the Democrats' messaging is all wrong as if different messaging would fix the problem. Every time I hear Biden make a speech, he accentuates the positives: jobs, unemployment, economy. But the polls indicate nobody is listening which isn't surprising: high gas prices, not enough baby formula, short supplies in general seem to be all anyone is noticing.

Biden couldn't prevent any of that but gets blamed for all of it.

If Trump and everyone who helped him go to jail, John and Jane Doe won't give two shits because gas is still $5 per gallon.

So, what is Plan B, or C or Z?

[Chainfire]

39. The old, "Buck stops here" comes around to bite every President in the ass.

Nothing new about that. Rightly or wrongly it is a fact of life. We know Biden is not responsible for the price of gas, or of the supply of baby food, they probably know it too, but it is a convenient whip. Nobody understands whips like the right...

Where Biden has lost ground is not with the right, they already hate him and everything he stands for, but with the middle and the left. That is where the danger lies. I love the man, but he needs to take his gloves off if he is going to lead out out of a potential hellhole. In theory, the President is the most powerful man in the world. The muscle of power atrophies if not vigorously exercised. I would love to see the man mad as hell! I think a little shoe throwing, desk pounding and hell raising would do worlds of good for my morale and perhaps others. If we aren't carefully we will civilize ourselves down the river.

Of course someone will attack this as a "right wing talking point," one thing you can be damn sure of, is it is coming from a proud Yellow Dog Democrat, not the right.

[Texaswitchy]

41. I am hoping for large voter turn out.

Abortion and gun violence helping to get people out.

Garland is a major problem.

The Democrats needed to go after Trump and big time.

Playing nice with the Republicans get you nothing.

The Republicans plan to go after both Biden and Harris.

I hope the younger voters show up.

[Septua]

47. Voter turnout is...

..plan B.

My instincts as well as the last two general elections, tell me the majority of people in this country don't want another wannabe autocrat in the White House. If all members of that majority get the opportunity to vote, cast a vote and have their votes counted, we might prevail.