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alwaysinasnit

(5,059 posts)
Sat Jun 4, 2022, 03:13 PM Jun 2022

So who are "evangelicals"? And how did they become such massive hypocrites?

https://www.salon.com/2022/06/04/so-are-evangelicals-and-how-did-they-become-such-massive-hypocrites/

So who, what, why and how is an "evangelical"? I often forget after all my years of growing up in the church, going to an evangelical seminary and my work in ministry, that many or perhaps most Americans have little knowledge and understanding of the evangelical movement, the Christian faith and how it all connects to American culture and American politics. I would say that most Americans are frustrated at the disproportionate influence and political power that evangelical Christians hold. For some the frustration is more personal because of how they've been treated by the church types. Either way, this mysterious species — the evangelicals — seem to be a major problem in American society. As a trained evangelical, and an ordained minister, I would have to say I completely agree.

Who are these evangelicals? First off, their true ancestors are the Pharisees of the New Testament, whom Jesus describes as being obsessed with legalistic questions but neglecting "the more important matters of the law — justice, mercy and faithfulness." This is the primary group that had Jesus killed. Much like the Pharisees, today's American evangelicals do not represent the faith in any genuine way. They have done more damage to the name of Christianity than any group I can think of. Their misuse of the Christian faith as a political weapon against anyone they see as an enemy is driven primarily by greed and a thirst for power.

The sheep who follow the most prominent evangelicals are also guilty of refusing to question these so-called leaders of the Christian faith. They should be measuring their pastor's words and deeds against the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. Attending church does not mean we check our brains at the door.

What are these evangelicals? Currently and historically, they are nothing more than a political action committee. They have nothing to do with the foundations of the Christian faith. Their political agenda is based on hate, rejection, condemnation and self-righteousness. The biblical Pharisees, who were the enemies of Jesus, used their political connections to have him killed. In our own time, these new Pharisees use their enormous political influence to reject foreigners, deny health insurance to millions, judge the poor as lazy, refuse any and all regulation of deadly firearms and stand in opposition to equality of opportunity. In short, they stand side by side with the oppressors on virtually every issue.

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So who are "evangelicals"? And how did they become such massive hypocrites? (Original Post) alwaysinasnit Jun 2022 OP
I would say Evangelicals are a lesser religion. pwb Jun 2022 #1
"...their true ancestors are the Pharisees of the New Testament..." sprinkleeninow Jun 2022 #2
Dyed helmet hair, tons makeup, gigantic honkin' earrings, 3 piece suits w/ vests, sprinkleeninow Jun 2022 #3
Become? relayerbob Jun 2022 #4
Yeap. housecat Jun 2022 #10
As soon as I saw this I thought the Crusades. The Holy Wars. Jihadists. Hindu/Sikh/Muslim wars. erronis Jun 2022 #17
THIS 100% Runningdawg Jun 2022 #33
Am I the homegirl Jun 2022 #5
Oh, I remember... jmbar2 Jun 2022 #6
No, you're not the only one... JHB Jun 2022 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author wnylib Jun 2022 #22
20-30 years ago? They are still around wnylib Jun 2022 #24
No intellectually respectable person should ever debate a Creationist. Girard442 Jun 2022 #30
Which is exactly why the biology department wnylib Jun 2022 #31
I, too, remember. They are driven by greed and power. Lonestarblue Jun 2022 #32
Money hungry and power addict Traildogbob Jun 2022 #8
Because they are fascists. roamer65 Jun 2022 #9
Yes they are. housecat Jun 2022 #11
Great article.. Permanut Jun 2022 #12
Their driving mission is to make the world "Christian". paleotn Jun 2022 #16
February 29th, 1929? GeoWilliam750 Jun 2022 #28
Good catch.. Permanut Jun 2022 #36
They are hypocritical assholes. NewHendoLib Jun 2022 #13
For the vast majority of evilgelicals, it DOES mean checking their brains at the door.... paleotn Jun 2022 #14
Sounds like Frank Schaeffer. moondust Jun 2022 #15
"Go ahead and hate a neighbor. Go ahead and cheat a friend. Do it the name of heaven, spike jones Jun 2022 #18
These are "christians" who believe lying and other so called sins Lunabell Jun 2022 #19
I can't recommend Anne Nelson's "Shadow Network" enough. How the evangs bought into trump. erronis Jun 2022 #20
Bush Jr appealed to the evangelicals, too. wnylib Jun 2022 #25
Their alliances with the "conservative" Catholics and Putin's Russian Orthodox sycophants... hunter Jun 2022 #21
They are azureblue Jun 2022 #23
There are several other sects in the Evangelical group wnylib Jun 2022 #26
Political Christians rather than Christians of faith. keithbvadu2 Jun 2022 #27
Also, they are insufferable, arrogant jackasses. NT raccoon Jun 2022 #29
People that are very publicly religious and judgmental about others JI7 Jun 2022 #34
Mutual Masturbators for Jesus. (n/t) Iggo Jun 2022 #35
Many are victims: home-schooled and brainwashed lindysalsagal Jun 2022 #37

pwb

(11,246 posts)
1. I would say Evangelicals are a lesser religion.
Sat Jun 4, 2022, 03:26 PM
Jun 2022

With very little devotion or knowledge of Christs teachings. These people just dress up for each other only to be seen. Prayer should be private not overt. No buildings required. IMO.

sprinkleeninow

(20,212 posts)
3. Dyed helmet hair, tons makeup, gigantic honkin' earrings, 3 piece suits w/ vests,
Sat Jun 4, 2022, 03:39 PM
Jun 2022

expensive Patek watches, Lamborghinis....

I just judged.😇

Slava Ukraini! Slava Na Viki!
🕊🌻🕯💙🇺🇦💛🕯🌻🕊

relayerbob

(6,537 posts)
4. Become?
Sat Jun 4, 2022, 03:47 PM
Jun 2022

These are the Crusaders, the Inquisition leaders, the slave traders, the hooded white KKkers. They just have cell phones and coal burning trucks now.

erronis

(15,180 posts)
17. As soon as I saw this I thought the Crusades. The Holy Wars. Jihadists. Hindu/Sikh/Muslim wars.
Sat Jun 4, 2022, 05:05 PM
Jun 2022

All the muslim sects. Sharia and edicts by power-hungry men.

Politics and power. Dominance.

Fomenting hatred of Others.

jmbar2

(4,860 posts)
6. Oh, I remember...
Sat Jun 4, 2022, 04:01 PM
Jun 2022

I had a run in with them at a college where I worked in 2012.

They targeted a bunch of folks to replace them with their own. That's when I became aware of their plans to take over the "Seven Mountains of Societal Influence".

https://www.generals.org/the-seven-mountains

They are deeply embedded in all seven of those mountains now, and fighting to maintain control, money and power. The more you learn about this movement, the more you can understand today's politics.

I am heartened to see some evangelicals now speaking out against the politicization of the church, but there are not enough of them doing so yet.

JHB

(37,154 posts)
7. No, you're not the only one...
Sat Jun 4, 2022, 04:05 PM
Jun 2022

...and you're quite right to make that connection, because they're the people who drive the agenda and operate under the radar to push that agenda forward. For example, Ginny Thomas.

Response to homegirl (Reply #5)

wnylib

(21,334 posts)
24. 20-30 years ago? They are still around
Sat Jun 4, 2022, 05:35 PM
Jun 2022

and active. There is a dominionist minister in a small, rural community near me. In 2010, be was the local chair of the Tea Party. He tried to get the chair of a local college biology department to have a "debate" with him on evolution vs. creationism as part of his attempt to force schools to teach creationism as a science. The biology department ignored him, didn't even respond to him to say no. After a while, he was looking pretty foolish with his constant calls for a debate that was not going to happen, do he shut up about that.

He went into a near apoplectic fit over the legalization of same sex marriage and tried to get local churches to form an opposition group, but they ignored him, too.

He is in his 40s and never married, but he is full of rules about married life, raising children, and especially how women should conduct themselves.

A really obnoxious character who makes no distinction between his will and what he calls God's will.

He puts on an image of (pseudo) intellectualism and is as dishonest and deceptive of a person as I've ever seen.

He believes that there should be no secular laws. All laws and government should be based on his interpretation of the Bible.

Girard442

(6,065 posts)
30. No intellectually respectable person should ever debate a Creationist.
Sat Jun 4, 2022, 06:08 PM
Jun 2022

The moment one shares a stage with one of those sociopathic clowns, they've already won.

wnylib

(21,334 posts)
31. Which is exactly why the biology department
Sat Jun 4, 2022, 06:10 PM
Jun 2022

did not even acknowledge him enough to even say no to him.

Lonestarblue

(9,958 posts)
32. I, too, remember. They are driven by greed and power.
Sat Jun 4, 2022, 06:25 PM
Jun 2022

I believe Betsy DeVos is an adherent. They seem to have the same goals as the Christian Nationalists to turn the US into a backward theocracy ruled by the white wealthy elite.

I agree with the writer that mostly what we see from today’s white evangelicals is violence and vindictiveness—and a willingness to break the law to get their way. I don’t see much that could be characterized as Christianity. They are a dangerous and disturbing group bent on destroying democracy for their own power. When they bemoan the decline of religious affiliation in this country, they should look in the mirror for the reason. Their hypocrisy is on full display.

Permanut

(5,558 posts)
12. Great article..
Sat Jun 4, 2022, 04:40 PM
Jun 2022

Thanks for posting, alwaysinasnit.

If they went to an island somewhere together and practiced their cult rituals, wouldn't be so headline worthy. The great danger is in their determination to push their political agenda to a tipping point where they can actually take over this country.

For the first time, there is a possibility that they will succeed.

Hitler said that Fascism is Closer to Christianity than Liberalism or Marxism.

from an article in the Völkischer Beobachter, February 29, 1929

I refer to Hitler reluctantly, and only as an example of how these talibangelicals are so dangerous.

paleotn

(17,881 posts)
16. Their driving mission is to make the world "Christian".
Sat Jun 4, 2022, 05:01 PM
Jun 2022

"Christian" in their image. Not an original idea, however. I've come to believe that monotheism in general is one of the more insidiously dangerous plots in all of human history. A cancer on a potentially peaceful and generous world.

Permanut

(5,558 posts)
36. Good catch..
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 07:46 PM
Jun 2022

That is the date included in the reference, but I was unable to research further about a possible typo.

paleotn

(17,881 posts)
14. For the vast majority of evilgelicals, it DOES mean checking their brains at the door....
Sat Jun 4, 2022, 04:53 PM
Jun 2022

More accurately, they checked their brains as soon as they were converted. Or for those of us unfortunate enough to grow up in the church, when we came of age. Some of us didn't for whatever reason. So the conditioning just didn't take even after years of Sunday school, vacation bible school, RA's, mission trips and countless sermons. We're the apostates. They hate us even more than the infidels. A badge I wear with pride. I welcome their hatred.

spike jones

(1,673 posts)
18. "Go ahead and hate a neighbor. Go ahead and cheat a friend. Do it the name of heaven,
Sat Jun 4, 2022, 05:06 PM
Jun 2022

justify it in the end." - One Tin Soldier-Billy Jack
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Lunabell

(6,046 posts)
19. These are "christians" who believe lying and other so called sins
Sat Jun 4, 2022, 05:06 PM
Jun 2022

are ok if they're hastening the end times.

erronis

(15,180 posts)
20. I can't recommend Anne Nelson's "Shadow Network" enough. How the evangs bought into trump.
Sat Jun 4, 2022, 05:16 PM
Jun 2022
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/29/774133071/shadow-network-offers-a-lesson-on-the-american-rights-mastery-of-politics

This hooking up of the RW political machine with tons of money from libertarians and the evangelicals is well documented.

It was all coldly calculated. No sense of christian values here - just how can a low-life like trump get elected and change government.

wnylib

(21,334 posts)
25. Bush Jr appealed to the evangelicals, too.
Sat Jun 4, 2022, 05:45 PM
Jun 2022

And don't forget the alliance of St. Ronnie and the Christian Coalition with Jerry Falwell.

hunter

(38,302 posts)
21. Their alliances with the "conservative" Catholics and Putin's Russian Orthodox sycophants...
Sat Jun 4, 2022, 05:32 PM
Jun 2022

... are pretty damned clear now.

Hate can be a powerful political force.

azureblue

(2,145 posts)
23. They are
Sat Jun 4, 2022, 05:34 PM
Jun 2022

almost all Southern Baptists. The church that gave birth to the Klan, that used the Bible to justify slavery then segregation. The church of rank hypocrisy.

wnylib

(21,334 posts)
26. There are several other sects in the Evangelical group
Sat Jun 4, 2022, 05:50 PM
Jun 2022

Besides Southern Baptists. They include Free Methodists (not the mainline Methodists), the ultra conservative branch of Congregationalists, and various other conservative offshoots of other mainline denominations, plus several independent, non affiliated apostolic and fundamentalist sects.

JI7

(89,239 posts)
34. People that are very publicly religious and judgmental about others
Sat Jun 4, 2022, 09:46 PM
Jun 2022

are usually hypocrites and perverts.

lindysalsagal

(20,581 posts)
37. Many are victims: home-schooled and brainwashed
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 09:19 PM
Jun 2022

They're completely dysfunctional, and unable to survive on their own.

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