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(31,141 posts)Its the same insult when they used to say n-word loverback in the day. They have a whole series of immature insults mainly based in racism because they are too immature to use the actual words, example, lets go Brandon
Ferrets are Cool
(21,113 posts)Mr. Evil
(2,863 posts)Their being "immature" nails it.
c-rational
(2,600 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,771 posts)nuxvomica
(12,460 posts)I wrote it before the term started being used as an insult, when it just started being an identity. It was a sci-fi story about an egalitarian future where all of today's problems were solved and everyone got along. The society was kind enough that even people who didn't like living in such a perfect world could, at age 21, choose to enter isolation tanks that kept them alive but hooked up to a memory-wiping, Matrix-like simulation where they lived as oligarchs in a proto-fascist "broken world of the past." They were called "sleepers" who had rejected the normal, "woke" life. I often think that if we could offer such a technology, a lot of Republicans would go for it.
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)We should start calling these people sleepers.
KS Toronado
(17,439 posts)Since they can't see the wool being pulled over their eyes by the likes of IQ4.5, FQX and elected repugs.
erronis
(15,450 posts)KS Toronado
(17,439 posts)nuxvomica
(12,460 posts)Which, like everything they use to criticize Democrats, is basically a projection.
Grokenstein
(5,730 posts)We'll get millions of shitty Dune-based memes overnight.
Joinfortmill
(14,500 posts)Pluvious
(4,334 posts)He wrote a distant future utopian series about The Culture
Where humans greatest challenge was avoiding boredom,
and jacked into virtual worlds of various types was an option
One of these being Hell
LMK if youre interested, Ill look up which novel featured that aspect
nuxvomica
(12,460 posts)His sci-fi is far more ambitious than mine. My stories are mostly set on Earth and involve humans.
Pluvious
(4,334 posts)Please note, Id never recommend Surface Detail to a stranger of Banks works; generally, the consensus amongst his aficionados at Reddit (and myself) is to suggest The Player of Games.
The Wikipedia entry for SD is riddled with spoilers; its mention of the time in Hell is terribly inadequate. And Ill add that parts of the novel are a bit dark, maybe not appealing to you :-/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_Detail
From Banks personal entry, are some fun facts, like:
Ferrets are Cool
(21,113 posts)TeamProg
(6,335 posts)paleotn
(18,003 posts)vlyons
(10,252 posts)as a Buddhist, every day first thing in my meditation practice is to take refuge in the Buddha, dharma, and sangha, and aspire to become a completely and perfectly enlightened Buddha for the benefit of all sentient beings. So to me, woke is not an insult.
To poc, it means aware of the racism that is built into our society and institutions.
To RW racists, it means using their tax dollars to fund welfare for undeserving poor people, whom they bitterly resent. They frequently combine 'woke" with "Marxist" even tho they have never read Marx.
Mr. Evil
(2,863 posts)Because when someone tries to blow some bullshit by my head I want to be as 'woke' as possible to recognize it immediately.
Joinfortmill
(14,500 posts)Maine Abu El Banat
(3,479 posts)To care for everyone, not just a select few.
IronLionZion
(45,621 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 5, 2022, 12:53 PM - Edit history (1)
because they can't accept that American born US citizens are browner than we used to be. Global warming must be tanning us while also giving us American accents and passports
Sing to the tune of God Bless the USA:
Because I'm brown to be an American, where I know white H1Bs.
KentuckyWoman
(6,697 posts)Considering most of the restaurant chains in America have come out in support of diversity I can only assume they'll stop eating out after church on Sunday. Plus will be walking everywhere to avoid buying those evil electric vehicles or woke gas.
The whole thing really boggled the mind.
gulliver
(13,200 posts)We need to be vocally, adamantly against "wokeness". I don't know who on our side would consider themselves "woke." I think it's a tiny few maybe, and they can get used to not using that word.
FakeNoose
(32,866 posts)We can't use the term "woke" because if we do, we'll sound like those racists.
We can't use the old hand signal for "OK" anymore, because if we do, we'll look like we're signaling for white supremacy.
So I've just stuck with the middle finger signal, because everyone knows what that means.
To all right-wingers everywhere:
BumRushDaShow
(129,913 posts)Like so many other things, it's something (a cultural slang term) that the white community TOOK from the black community, and then ran in all kinds of directions with it.
(unless you forgot the sarcasm thingy)
gulliver
(13,200 posts)It's a bad concept and a bad expression, so I'm not sure anyone would want to either take it or take credit for it.
panader0
(25,816 posts)I was asleep, then I woke up. Being awake, figuratively, is much better than being asleep. Being aware
is better than being unconscious.
gulliver
(13,200 posts)It would be presumptuous and arrogant for me to say, "I'm awake." Not to mention wrong. We're all fallible and our points of view are invariably limited and unclear. No one can say they're really awake.
And, it's insulting to others to imply that they are not awake. Gratuitously insulting others in a sanctimonious way is the very opposite of enlightenment. It's a sign of endarkenment.
BumRushDaShow
(129,913 posts)being I'm from that origin community. But go ahead and throw the true Democratic base "under the bus" rather than go after the GOP loons who co-opted it while our Dem colleagues stood there like a deer in headlights.
gulliver
(13,200 posts)I really would like to know where the word "woke" came from. If you have something authoritative about its history, like a link to content where it was first used, that would be helpful. Otherwise, who knows where it came from? We could find out that some racist Republican created the word to mock people and create contempt for empathy and knowledge.
BumRushDaShow
(129,913 posts)for years along with terms like "lit", going back during the mid-late 2000s, when they lost me with the newest slang.
There is a cultural difference between blacks and whites when it comes to use of certain terminology that gets completely dismissed and distorted, and that has been the case for many decades.
For example, another "co-opted" black term now popular here in Philly is "jawn", that goes back at least to the '80s or even before.
meadowlander
(4,413 posts)before you come to the conclusion that it's a bad concept and a bad expression?
It's the same concept in the 60s as having your consciousness raised. It just recognises that we are all limited in our perceptions of the world by our background and our past experiences and that we should endeavour, as decent human beings, to try to expand the limits of those perceptions by understanding other peoples' experiences and where they are coming from.
It's only a "bad concept and a bad expression" if you are a self-satisfied conservative know it all who thinks your experiences are all anyone needs and that any attempt to understand where other people are coming from is a waste of time. If that's what you actually think, what are you doing here?
gulliver
(13,200 posts)No one wants credit for it. I'm not sure why you're saying it comes from the sixties. People who speak of and even think they honestly appreciate the wonderfulness of things like higher consciousness need to evince it much more than they tend to. Claiming to see a virtue and being it are hugely different.
A time-honored way to distinguish wiser people from the less wise is that wiser people know how dumb they really are. They don't judge themselves "woke" or "possrssing higher consciousness." That's a fairly reliable sign of mediocrity, pseudo-virtue, or even destructive vanity.
meadowlander
(4,413 posts)It's only a higher consciousness when compared to your own past. I didn't understand something. Then I learned about it. Then I woke up.
I don't see why you feel the need to be so defensive about the concept of learning and empathy being good things.
Clinging to your right to be ignorant and inconsiderate of others and calling it wisdom isn't exactly a hallmark of enlightenment either.
gulliver
(13,200 posts)I mentioned above that the term "woke" is gratuitously insulting to people in addition to being vain. In what sense does it display considerateness to imply other people are "asleep?" To me, that rings dehumanizing.
meadowlander
(4,413 posts)It doesn't imply other people are "asleep". It implies I was asleep, then I learned something, and now I'm not asleep. Being born and raised white in a town with three black kids in a high school of 2,000, I didn't automatically know very much about the black experience in America. Then I listened to black people talk about their experience. Then I understood things I didn't understand before.
That awakening of consciousness and understanding has nothing to do with third parties, although it is quite telling that some people decide to make it about somehow about them.
Instead of getting defensive about the term, why not ask yourself if there are things you could still learn by listening to other peoples' experiences?
I'm also non-binary and neurodiverse. In living memory people like me were sent to gas chambers, institutionalized for life as toddlers, dissected for anatomy textbooks, sterilized against their will, and denied access to higher education, jobs and housing. Even today only 15% of college-educated people with Asperger's are in full time paid employment.
So I'm sorry but your argument that other people describing their own personal journey to "wokeness"/understanding of someone else's point of view is somehow dehumanizing for you is laughable and sad.
Perspective. It's your friend.
Ron Green
(9,823 posts)with whom I was playing. Im honored to use this word today, referring to people (I include myself) who are aware of the load of bullshit thats been handed to us disguised as American history.
I encourage you to not reject the word, but to use it consciously and boldly.
gulliver
(13,200 posts)Does taking a certain action cause a child to not get a school lunch or a good education? I'm glad very few Dems use the word "woke" now. It's used by Republicans.
I don't care about pride or origin or history. Handing Republicans a victory indirectly through misguided wording is, for me, unacceptable. Intentions aren't worth a dime.
Ron Green
(9,823 posts)or not to do.
Stay woke, Brother.
BarackTheVote
(938 posts)Everyone should endeavor to be woke; to be woke is aspirational. It means being aware of the systemic mechanisms in place that stymie Black advancement and support white supremacy; it can be applied to any group that suffers from systemic oppression in a society built to favor cis white Xtian men. For white allies, it became a call to identify the passive racism that may have crept into their own ideologies from a lifetime of swimming in the White Privilege Pool. Its also a call to political activism. Its been used in the Black community for *decades* and entered the mainstream with Black Lives Matter protests against police violence.
The RW latched onto it (while Q, ironically, looks forward to the great awakening) because woke is an example of African American Vernacular, and Right Wingers are racist asspots who think AAV sounds funny.
Cripes on a crackerstop RUNNING SCARED every time the RW appropriates our fking language! They made liberal, progressive, affirmative action, social justice, political correctness, bleeding heart, critical race theoryeven green and Democrat; theyve made them all gddamn scare words for their legion of little sheep! This shit is straight out of Big Brothers playbook, take the language, take the ideas, leave your opponents with no words to express themselves. Stop letting them run away with our language!
I wont say Im woke, but I gddamn ENDEAVOR to be woke every single day.
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WhiskeyGrinder
(22,500 posts)keithbvadu2
(37,024 posts)Ask them if 'coming to Christ' would be 'woke'.
For the newly converted types.
BrightKnight
(3,567 posts)In woke writing the moral is the way more important than anything. This IS a problem because the message is far more effective when it is imbedded in quality writing.
If you cant afford good writing then just sprinkle some woke messaging on top and nobody will notice.
It reminds me of the reality TV movement that took off during the writers strike.
Catherine Vincent
(34,491 posts)and changed its meaning to fit their narrative.
hunter
(38,346 posts)What's the alternative?
Brain dead zombie?
BarackTheVote
(938 posts)AND Bleeding Heart Liberal!
hunter
(38,346 posts).
czarjak
(11,319 posts)IronLionZion
(45,621 posts)in a deep sleep
calimary
(81,566 posts)Initech
(100,132 posts)hatrack
(59,602 posts)That's all.