Sun Jun 5, 2022, 09:56 AM
newdayneeded (1,235 posts)
Lake Mead is 1/3rd full.
I have a friend that has a son living out there. He and his wife are considering buying a house in Vegas. I told my friend I advise her son not to buy. It's going to be a mass housing and population drop in the next 10 years.
20 years of drought is not a drought. It's a new climate!
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newdayneeded | Jun 2022 | OP |
hlthe2b | Jun 2022 | #1 | |
Mosby | Jun 2022 | #22 | |
hatrack | Jun 2022 | #2 | |
Kid Berwyn | Jun 2022 | #3 | |
NickB79 | Jun 2022 | #4 | |
Kid Berwyn | Jun 2022 | #5 | |
roamer65 | Jun 2022 | #20 | |
ratchiweenie | Jun 2022 | #7 | |
Kid Berwyn | Jun 2022 | #17 | |
ratchiweenie | Jun 2022 | #26 | |
Recursion | Jun 2022 | #9 | |
Kid Berwyn | Jun 2022 | #16 | |
former9thward | Jun 2022 | #6 | |
Recursion | Jun 2022 | #10 | |
NickB79 | Jun 2022 | #12 | |
former9thward | Jun 2022 | #15 | |
NickB79 | Jun 2022 | #18 | |
former9thward | Jun 2022 | #19 | |
Mosby | Jun 2022 | #23 | |
former9thward | Jun 2022 | #24 | |
Mosby | Jun 2022 | #25 | |
Sympthsical | Jun 2022 | #8 | |
panader0 | Jun 2022 | #11 | |
CentralMass | Jun 2022 | #13 | |
ripcord | Jun 2022 | #14 | |
roamer65 | Jun 2022 | #21 |
Response to newdayneeded (Original post)
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 10:03 AM
hlthe2b (96,444 posts)
1. There are a lot of options for basic essentials. Water is not one of them...
Phoenix and Las Vegas are among the areas I'd never relocate to for that reason alone.
I'm sickened at how the RW has managed to prevent any action for decade after decade. The next wars across the world WILL be for water. I may not live to see the worst, but the youngest generations surely will. Like gun violence, at least 40% of this country's populace just doesn't give a damn and it is increasingly too much to bear. |
Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 03:36 PM
Mosby (14,354 posts)
22. AZ has been planning ahead. Phoenix has a 100 year plan.
For decades we have been banking water, by recharging underground aquifers.
https://www.srpnet.com/water/resource-management.aspx https://www.phoenix.gov/sustainability/water#:~:text=The%202050%20%E2%80%8Bgoal%2C%20essentially,water%20for%20the%20foreseeable%20future. Eta SRP is a non-profit, basically a coop. |
Response to newdayneeded (Original post)
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 10:17 AM
hatrack (57,201 posts)
2. It's not even 29% full at the moment . . . .
Response to newdayneeded (Original post)
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 10:45 AM
Kid Berwyn (11,472 posts)
3. AOC is correct: We need a Green New Deal
Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #3)
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 11:03 AM
NickB79 (17,803 posts)
4. That map is a pretty good indicator of where people will move in 20 years
East and North. Those drought conditions are largely permanent at 400+ ppm of CO2, and we'll be at 500 ppm by 2040.
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Response to NickB79 (Reply #4)
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 12:02 PM
Kid Berwyn (11,472 posts)
5. The rich will survive when most of the planet is unlivable.
From the comfort of their redoubts in Patagonia and near the Arctic Circle, they’ll laugh watching humanity “vote with their feet,” as the gas stations will have long been emptied.
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Response to NickB79 (Reply #4)
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 03:29 PM
roamer65 (33,928 posts)
20. 600+ ppm CO2e by 2040.
Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #3)
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 12:23 PM
ratchiweenie (7,415 posts)
7. Thank you. These are amazing maps. So much information.
Response to ratchiweenie (Reply #7)
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 02:20 PM
Kid Berwyn (11,472 posts)
17. You are most welcome! Must share one other thing I found today...
Rising carbon dioxide causes more than a climate crisis -- it may directly harm our ability to think
New research finds that an anticipated rise in carbon dioxide concentrations in our indoor living and working spaces by the year 2100 could lead to impaired human cognition. As the 21st century progresses, rising atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) concentrations will cause urban and indoor levels of the gas to increase, and that may significantly reduce our basic decision-making ability and complex strategic thinking, according to a new CU Boulder-led study. By the end of the century, people could be exposed to indoor CO2 levels up to 1400 parts per million -- more than three times today's outdoor levels, and well beyond what humans have ever experienced. Source: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200421090556.htm |
Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #17)
Mon Jun 6, 2022, 07:30 PM
ratchiweenie (7,415 posts)
26. OMG. I'm in my 70's and already having enough senior moments. It's so sad what we are doing to
our earth and that we are refusing to take it seriously. It breaks my heart.
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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #3)
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 12:25 PM
Recursion (56,552 posts)
9. Where are we going to find the people to work those green jobs?
There's not exactly some huge labor surplus on the sidelines
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Response to Recursion (Reply #9)
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 02:15 PM
Kid Berwyn (11,472 posts)
16. Who can build a pyramid?
“Whether you think you can, or think you can’t — you’re right.” — Henry Ford
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Response to newdayneeded (Original post)
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 12:20 PM
former9thward (28,459 posts)
6. These depopulation predictions have been made for decades now.
They are always 10 or 20 years out. And they have never come true. The SW continues to expand in housing and population as people and companies escape the miserable weather in the Midwest and NE.
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Response to former9thward (Reply #6)
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 12:26 PM
Recursion (56,552 posts)
10. Cassandra keeps saying the House of Atreus will fall...
...but it hasn't happened yet
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Response to former9thward (Reply #6)
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 12:58 PM
NickB79 (17,803 posts)
12. You're the same one who said there's plenty of water in Arizona this spring
And argued there's no serious drought in the Southwest.
You've already demonstrated your lack of knowledge. |
Response to NickB79 (Reply #12)
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 01:51 PM
former9thward (28,459 posts)
15. Yes I am.
And I will say it again. You have demonstrated your lack of knowledge about where water comes from in AZ. I still have water flowing out of my faucets, much to your disappointment I'm sure.
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Response to former9thward (Reply #15)
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 03:06 PM
NickB79 (17,803 posts)
18. Good luck with that
The water coming from your faucet is powered in part by the hydroelectric power going through Hoover Dam, among others. They're all approaching failure.
https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/hoover-dam-power-production-down-33-official-says/ Enjoy the dead pool, and I don't mean the superhero movie. |
Response to NickB79 (Reply #18)
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 03:19 PM
former9thward (28,459 posts)
19. No, its actually powered by a nuclear plant.
I get no power from the Hoover Dam. Water in the Phoenix metro area comes from many sources. Yes, the Colorado River is one but cities and communities here can operate without any water from that river.
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Response to former9thward (Reply #19)
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 03:42 PM
Mosby (14,354 posts)
23. See my post 22.
Phoenix has a 100 year plan for water.
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Response to Mosby (Reply #23)
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 03:48 PM
former9thward (28,459 posts)
24. Yes, thank you.
I think AZ in general has been good in planning for the water future. Non potable water used for green areas and a reduction in unnecessary green vegetation like lawns.
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Response to newdayneeded (Original post)
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 12:23 PM
Sympthsical (6,327 posts)
8. It's actually raining in NorCal today
Not enough to fill reservoirs or anything, but enough to not actively worry about a blazing fire taking out a town or two for the next few weeks.
It's actually been going since at least dawn. Fairly healthy amount for June. Which is good, because we haven't really been watering anything. It's like, "Oh good, the backyard will stop being that interesting khaki color." I'll take it. |
Response to newdayneeded (Original post)
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 12:30 PM
panader0 (25,583 posts)
11. Collect water from the air in the desert.
Response to panader0 (Reply #11)
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 01:15 PM
ripcord (3,779 posts)
14. Better than the idea from Las Vegas to take water from the great basin table
Large cities always think they should be entitled to water from other areas, Los Angeles created one of the largest man made environmental disasters by draining Owen lake for their water. To this day they complain and try to get around the ruling made that forced them to mitigate the damage they caused.
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Response to newdayneeded (Original post)
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 03:35 PM
roamer65 (33,928 posts)
21. Don't move to the Great Lakes region.
UNLESS you are a liberal.
RW scum isn’t wanted here. |