So while some of you are celebrating a Jubilee

[malaise]

It would be nice if someone explained why Philip's will won’t be made public for 90 years.

https://www.lawyer-monthly.com/2021/11/why-is-prince-philips-will-going-to-be-sealed/

[EYESORE 9001]

1. I'm certainly not celebrating

How many millions of people - I’m guessing a billion or more - are coping with the aftereffects of that wretched dynasty? Different family lines may have been in charge over the centuries, but the subjugated people suffered nonetheless.

I get no satisfaction from following the pageantry surrounding that monarchy, defanged though it may be nowadays. Any hereditary institution gets an automatic ‘thumbs down’ from me.

[malaise]

2. Ditto

Democracies or monarchies
As a descendant of the Atlantic slave trade, I see nothing to celebrate with these murderers and thieves.
I do find their notion of polite society hilarious.

[EYESORE 9001]

5. From 'famine' in Ireland to genocide in Malaysia

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The list goes on - capped, of course, by the slave trade you mentioned. Here’s a little article about some atrocities they’d prefer we forget right about now:

https://historycollection.com/10-atrocities-committed-by-the-british-empire-that-they-would-like-to-erase-from-history-books/6/

But the ladies’ hats are so special…

[malaise]

7. Well said

[TxGuitar]

10. So many of our issues today

Can be traced directly back to British colonialism, especially in the Middle East?.

[EYESORE 9001]

11. Yep

The sun has set on the British Empire, but its legacy lives on. Another example: continued strife in South Asia, now with two nuclear-armed countries on hair-trigger status.

[Arazi]

13. The Irish famine was a deliberate genocide

And the IRA and Sinn Fein were freedom fighters

[mopinko]

19. please put quotes on "famine". it wasnt a famine, it was a genocide.

there was plenty of food, it just went to england cuz their lords had stolen much of the land.

yeah, no celebrating here, either.

[EYESORE 9001]

26. Done

[Celerity]

14. As a British citizen and also a (partial) descendant of the Atlantic slave trade, I say hear hear!

[cilla4progress]

20. Seriously!

Talk about organized crime!!

[TigressDem]

9. The Queen did better than a lot of her predecessors. But, yeah, no real PROGRESS.

And considering the group that wants to "dismantle" the Royal Family is called "Republic" I think we know the replacement would simply be an Oligarchy instead of a Monarchy and the family at least does attempt to mitigate some of the worst ideas.

I see them as a bit of a BLOCK against worst scenarios while allowing the Democratic process to function the best it can.

https://www.newsweek.com/queen-elizabeth-ii-should-acknowledge-uk-role-slavery-campaigners-say-1514638




I DO HAVE MORE HOPE of the younger generations, skipping the ugly duckling and his mistress.


Maybe before she dies she will issue that formal apology for the involvement in slavery by the Monarchy. Not sure if there will be any money attached, but she seems to be softening at times.

[Ferrets are Cool]

16. ...

[TigressDem]

3. Nunya

The Royals are always accosted in life, Dianna basically killed by paparazzi.

Once they die and the will executor and appropriate eyes have seen it, then they get privacy. So Nunya. (None ya buisness)


PREVIOUS wills have been sealed INDEFINITELY. So ironically, 90 is major progress.



Philip's is obviously less racy than most so they actually might open it. 125 years was suggested, Andrew thinks 90 should be enough for a review date.

[malaise]

4. Same for the Jubilee

Nunya

[TigressDem]

15. The Queen saw through the Donald and that made her a back door ally during his failed administration

I am certain she is not perfect, no one is and the system does predate her and she's kind of stuck with it.

Do you have a truly better option, actionable that would give UK something better?


WHY not talk about that then?


She doesn't SUPPORT slavery or discrimination.

She may not be doing enough about it at this stage of her life, but how old is YOUR grandma? Mine are all dead. At her age getting out of bed is a miracle and a blessing.

Does anyone on DU realize that we are talking about fellow human beings as well as whatever position they hold?


But no, not hugely excited about Jubilee. Just impressed with anyone at her age holding a position of responsibility and getting through it on a day to day basis.

[malaise]

17. They didn't and still don't consider that my ancestors

were human beings.
Eff all royals - murders and thieves. That is all.

[TigressDem]

18. I hope they find a better substitute or become forward thinking for the sake of UK nt

[Arazi]

21. Fairly sure the royal family had a hand in creating Jersey Island

A notorious tax haven off the coast of the UK that has been a money laundering machine for … centuries? Nobody knows.

Elizabeth’s family wealth is parked there and running the vig for using the islands tax status is probably how they’ve managed to retain the “respect” of the actual govt. There’s a reason Russian oligarchs/mobsters choose London as their home base and it’s not because of the weather.

The royals were the first mobsters. The Queen has the finest healthcare on the planet and is being “celebrated” because she’s lived this long?!



Pretty sure none of them are nice people tbh. At least one of them escaped the family biz and is trying to make it on his own. Now that’s something I can respect

[TigressDem]

24. I guess my hope is in the continious arch toward justice is getting to the good part.

From the Crown having the power to execute at will, to being a figurehead is progress, I'd say.

From the days when minorities could be banned from positions to where they are being actively hired in 1990 despite ongoing issues, still progress.

From the time when there was a Church of England and it ruled everyone's life, so the Pilgrims took a hike to more progressive attitudes of today.

And YES it's not enough and the younger generations are leaving the family biz. But even those who stay might find more courage to do better and make real reparations. It's a hope, but if they have eyes to see and ears to hear, they might just surprise us.

STILL we need to keep supplying the kind of allies that make that possible, Biden vs 45. Zelensky vs Putin.

When the US is stronger we can demand more of our allies.

[BlackSkimmer]

25. "Pretty sure one of them is nice people."

You know them personally then, do you?

[panader0]

6. Fuck the royals.

As a guy at least half Irish, I truly feel that way.

[malaise]

8. Ditto

[TigressDem]

12. I just wish the best for everyone.

I don't have it in me to hold on to hate. (Well, tRump, but he's working everyone's last nerve.)

IF the Royals went away and were no longer involved in politics, I'd consider it a win IF they were not replaced by power hungry rich people working much worse machinations.

At least the Royals have a smidgen of scruples, or QE2 does have some anyway.

I guess I am saying, be careful what you wish for. The results could be worse than what was there before.

I've got some Irish in me, but not enough apparently to outright hate the Royals. I do hope and pray the best for Ireland because it still manages to rise about the fray quite often and amaze with it's resilience and love of freedom. I feel a lot of the strength I have in me washed down my DNA strands from that side of the pond.



May your troubles be less and your blessings be more, and nothing but happiness come through your door

[BlackSkimmer]

22. Wo cares about his will?

We'll all be dead by then.

I enjoy the jubilee because it is celebrating the remarkable life of a wonderful, splendid woman who has given her life to the service of her country. Certainly not something she chose. She will go down in history, as well she should.

I find this odd bitterness amongst some about a truly good person to be very revealing.

[BannonsLiver]

23. "How dare people be interested in something I'm not interested in!111"

Has MSNBC preempted one of their “news programs” for coverage this week?

[Irish_Dem]

27. My British friends say it is well known that PP had a second family.

And other illegitimate children.

His will would be an embarrassment to the Royal Family.