Senators say gun deal is within reach, but without Biden's wish list

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

Key senators said Sunday there is growing momentum to forge a bipartisan congressional response to recent mass shootings that could toughen federal gun laws for the first time in a generation. But a deal is not yet in hand, they warned, and the delicate talks are expected to continue for several more days as negotiators seek to garner enough Republican support to get a compromise bill through the Senate.

Should an agreement come together, it is certain to fall well short of the parameters that President Biden laid out in a White House address on Thursday, when he called for renewing the federal assault weapons ban that expired in 2004, as well as significantly expanding federal background checks for gun buyers and removing the firearms industry’s immunity from lawsuits.

But a proposal that would encourage states to set up red-flag laws that would allow authorities to keep guns away from people thought to be a threat to their communities or themselves remains under keen discussion, as do measures tackling school security and mental health, according to people involved in the discussions.

“It’s really tough sledding. But I’ve never been part of conversations that are this serious and this thoughtful before, and I know all the Republicans and Democrats who are at the table are there with total sincerity to get an agreement,” Sen. Chris Murphy (Conn.), the Democratic negotiator, said in an interview Sunday.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senators-say-gun-deal-is-within-reach-but-without-bidens-wish-list/ar-AAY7h0w

[mn9driver]

1. I'll believe it when I see it.

The GOP has no reason to actually put anything out. Their base will not reward them if they do.

I expect they will participate in this kabuki theater exercise for a bit longer and then walk away, blaming the “gun grabbing democrats and socialists”.

I’d like to be wrong. I doubt I will be.

[Raven]

2. These "sincere" people are going to screw you, Chris.

[SharonClark]

8. So true.

[onecaliberal]

3. Because god knows keeping guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them is controversial

[Solly Mack]

4. I read the article.

That's all I've got to say about that.

[SoCalDavidS]

5. If This Doesn't Happen, Can We Start Calling Him Charlie Instead Of Chris? nt

[dsc]

6. Veterans were nearly 3 times as likely to be charged for Jan 6th than non veterans

so not sure it is such a great idea to have armed veterans in the schools with what is likely to be both minimal training and minimal back round checks.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

7. "A proposal that would encourage states to set up red-flag laws"?

That doesn't sound like Federal legislation to me. What the heck?

[SYFROYH]

16. "Encourage" means funding, usually.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

17. Do you have any information on what sort of funding is being proposed?

Like that avatar BTW

[SYFROYH]

18. I heard some talking head talking about a federal red flag law being about funding.

It makes sense because the red flag laws are better enacted at the state and local level.

We will have to see what comes out of this group.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

19. Thanks for filling in what you know.

I will stay tuned.

[BlueIdaho]

9. A gun deal in name only

Without the sorts of regulations the President has outlined is a PR victory for the GQP and provides zero protections ordinary citizens.

[dsc]

10. So we will get a frankly dubious proposal to send armed people

into schools and incentives for states to pass the literal bare minimum of gun control. So the red states will treat it like Medicaid expansion and just not do it. This is worse than useless.

[keithbvadu2]

11. Expecting a thin-meat sandwich with lots of bread and a title.

Expecting a thin-meat sandwich with lots of bread and a title.

[keithbvadu2]

13. After republicans compromise it...

[Lovie777]

12. Some republican was speaking fast talking about . . .

the NRA is not the booeyman, blah blah, and some republican in AZ has a great idea that really does work, and then he said L Graham and something about "red flag" and I turned the channel.

The party of death is bullshiting again, and honestly they don't give a damn about human life.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

15. It's not your grandfather's NRA

Back in the 1930s when there was a proliferation of automatic weapons used by organized crime the NRA helped pass the national firearms act.

Everyone knows you wouldn't see that today.

[drray23]

14. Getting an agreement for the sake of saying something was done

should not be the goal. If we end up with reinforcing the gop talking points by allocating money to school safety and mental health but don't tackle at least federap red flag laws and universal background checks it will be an utter failure and a gift to the GOP who will be let off the hook and able to claim they acted.

[SYFROYH]

20. I encourage us all to have low expectations, but anything substantive is a win.

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In negotiation, we call it logrolling.

A little movement at first can, i repeat can, lead to faster and bigger agreements

But not always.

[kacekwl]

21. Not to be insulting but

you're hilarious. So are democrats if they think another do nothing about this issue will do them or anyone any good. If I shake my head any harder it will fall off.

[SYFROYH]

22. I dont think you understand the word substantive.

Because that would mean the new law does something.

[kacekwl]

25. Sounds like substantive means

maybe raise the age and tweak background checks. And that's a big maybe.

[SYFROYH]

26. Yes, those items are big "maybes" but they are substantive changes which could reduce gun violence.

In 2013 we went big with a strict Assault Weapons Ban and other items that resulted in Republican digging in.

I think we should start small and build victories.

[GoodRaisin]

23. Can't believe there would be anything substantive from Republicans.

They hope to throw some soft proposals against the wall to see if they will stick. Anything that slows gun sales or costs them gun humper votes won't happen.

[DET]

24. Pathetic

If that’s the best they can offer, then it’s nothing. We need to insist on serious gun control measures and not these mealy mouthed wholly inadequate proposals that allow Republicans to claim credit for doing something while doing nothing. Democrats need to stand firm on this or we will look as spineless as the Republicans and we will lose in November.